- Original Message -
From: Kyle R. Mcallister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Lifters
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If you think that the Lifter will work if it is surrounded by an enclosed
container with a gas inside it, to allow for ion
Zell, Chris wrote:
More than that, I doubt the WTC buildings were as well built as the
Empire State building - when it survived A collision with a WWII
vintage bomber.
That is incorrect. The Towers were far stronger and better built than
the Empire State building. If you were to try to
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
AFAIK Iran is building several reactors. The big power reactor
(approx. 1 GW) is
at Bushehr see
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/bushehr-intro.htm).
This is an informative article. Iran wants to produce 20% of its
electricity from nuclear power. The
The Russians keep complaining that they aren't getting paid by the
Iranians for nuke technology.
Here are some depressing statistics:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epat1p1.html
Despite all the talk about the increase in renewable energy, over the
last 13 years the real winner has been coal. From 1994 to 2005 actual
generation from coal increased by 323,000 thousand
I wrote the other day:
BTW2 the derivation is elegant but admittedly it could be a little more
rigorous wrt distinguishing between scalars and vectors.
For more clarity in this respect, I enclose an annotated version of Sigmond's
derivation for the lifter thrust (or rather it's opposite
That's my point exactly.
What I am saying has solid evidence to back it up, and you counter with
'Bush is a twit'.
Which while obviously true, no one is claiming he did any of the technical
stuff, members of the intelligence community did that.
Further no one is claiming there were suicide
That's my point exactly.
What I am saying has solid evidence to back it up, and you counter with
'Bush is a twit'.
Which while obviously true, no one is claiming he did any of the technical
stuff, members of the intelligence community did that.
Further no one is claiming there were suicide
Umm, so, if there were no suicide pilots, who was flying?
On 2/21/07, John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's my point exactly.
What I am saying has solid evidence to back it up, and you counter with
'Bush is a twit'.
Which while obviously true, no one is claiming he did any of the
Stranger and stranger. So how do you qualify the pilots, if not suicide pilots?
Michel
- Original Message -
From: John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: No Thermite ?
That's my point exactly.
What I am
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
AFAIK Iran is building several reactors. The big power reactor
(approx. 1 GW) is
at Bushehr see
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/bushehr-intro.htm).
This is an informative article. Iran wants to produce 20% of its
electricity
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Jed, you have said more than once that (nearly)
all the expert engineers /knew/ it would collapse.
That's absolutely not what I read in the mainstream press reports . . .
These reports were premature, and wrong. Later
interviews and testimony by experts revealed
leaking pen wrote:
Umm, so, if there were no suicide pilots, who was flying?
The planes were remote controlled, by CIA agents hiding behind the
grassy knoll, of course.
Haven't you been following the discussion? You've really gotta get with
the program, Pen.
The passengers were all
No one is claiming there were suicide pilots on the planes? How deep
does this fantasy go? Remote control? Robots?
My point about government competence still stands and is confirmed
everyday with the continuing failure to pacify Iraq. It's far more than
'Bush is a twit'.
And the
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Honestly, I do not see how the US or any what other country can
object to this.
Perhaps the fact that the president of Iran asserted that their goal
is to erase Israel from the map has something to do with it.
Of course I realize he says that, but for that matter
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Honestly, I do not see how the US or any what other country can
object to this.
Perhaps the fact that the president of Iran asserted that their goal
is to erase Israel from the map has something to do with it.
Of course I realize he says
Michel Jullian wrote:
Indeed. It would be like insisting that a helicopter doesn't work by pushing
itself against the air, it just doesn't make sense scientifically. But I guess
it does make sense economically for the people who make a living on promoting
the more mysterious hypotheses :)
Well I must say at first I didn't believe it, but when you look at the
evidence the planes were clearly switched.
It starts off with the boarding of some of the flights, there were oddities
with different gates and such, very confusing, the details of one of the
planes was given, it was boarding
Kyle and Michel,
You have likely seen this paper already,
but if you haven't you can download it (about 1MB) from here:
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/lifters/arl_fac/0211001.pdf
Here is the paper's abstract:
-
Army Research Laboratory
Adelphi, MD 20783-1197
Force on an Asymmetric
John Berry wrote:
There were also reports of two of the planes landing safely at an
airport, yes really. (according to the Mayor anyway:
http://www.rense.com/general68/says.htm)
The transponder signals were turned off over an airport and turned
back on, but it would not have been possible
On 2/22/07, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My goodness. Since many gullible people believe this sort of thing,
Currently you simply don't have the information those people are basing
their 'Gullible' beliefs on.
Simply watch 'Loose Change 2nd Edition' (Just watched the whole of it
John Berry wrote:
My goodness. Since many gullible people believe this sort of thing,
Currently you simply don't have the information those people are
basing their 'Gullible' beliefs on.
You have given me more than enough information to evaluate these
claims! I am sure you represented them
On 2/22/07, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Berry wrote:
My goodness. Since many gullible people believe this sort of thing,
Currently you simply don't have the information those people are basing
their 'Gullible' beliefs on.
You have given me more than enough information to
http://www.alternativescience.com/cold_fusion.htm
http://charlotte.bizjournals.com/albuquerque/stories/2007/02/19/daily7.html
New Tesla Motors plant will create 400 local jobs
New Mexico Business Weekly - 3:04 PM MST Monday, February 19, 2007
Tesla Motors plans to build a new $35 million assembly facility in
Albuquerque, creating 400 high-wage
Yes I have read it a long time ago, the poor fellows just didn't have a clue :)
Anyway beware that what they call ionic drift is what the rest of the world
calls ion wind (ion induced wind of neutrals, as in paddle induced flow of
water), aka ion drag, aka electric wind, aka corona wind, and
Of course, what would be the difference? Would a paddle boat pushing against
the quay (i.e. acting as a pump, pumping water backwards) work any differently
than when it's on the move? It's still paddles, or whatever, pushing a medium
backwards in order for the craft to go forwards if nothing
Oh dear it's unbelievable one can believe such things. My remote controlled
live whales scheme pales in comparison :)
Michel
- Original Message -
From: John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: No Thermite ?
On 2/22/07, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh dear it's unbelievable one can believe such things. My remote
controlled live whales scheme pales in comparison :)
Oh look, your rhetoric made solid evidence disappear.
*poof*
Good job you don't have to deal with all those nasty facts.
I would like to reconsider the tubular lifter experiment which I mentioned
last week.
The upper positive wire produces a positive ion cloud beneath so they repel
each other. If I have understood the EHD account correctly, the force of
repulsion is predicted to be greater than the force of
Harry Veeder wrote:
I would like to reconsider the tubular lifter experiment which I mentioned
last week.
The upper positive wire produces a positive ion cloud beneath so they repel
each other. If I have understood the EHD account correctly, the force of
repulsion is predicted to be greater
Yes, a paddle boat is either a pump or a boat depending
on how you wish to use the boat's paddles.
Are saying Leonardo's copter could lift itself in theory
if it were light enough? That would be something to see.
I always thought it was impossible in theory.
Harry
Michel Jullian wrote:
Of
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 15:47, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
The Iranians are destroying their own oil fields without help from
us. Their fields are in such poor shape from mismanagement and bad
technology that the country will soon not be able to produce enough
for its
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Harry Veeder wrote:
I would like to reconsider the tubular lifter experiment which I mentioned
last week.
The upper positive wire produces a positive ion cloud beneath so they repel
each other. If I have understood the EHD account correctly, the force of
Michel Jullian wrote:
Yes I have read it a long time ago, the poor fellows just didn't have a clue
:)
Are you a professional arbiter of some kind?
'Cause it really shows. ;-)
Anyway beware that what they call ionic drift is what the rest of the world
calls ion wind (ion induced wind of
Michel Jullian wrote:
I wrote the other day:
BTW2 the derivation is elegant but admittedly it could be a little more
rigorous wrt distinguishing between scalars and vectors.
For more clarity in this respect, I enclose an annotated version of Sigmond's
derivation for the lifter thrust (or
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:20:29 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
The upper positive wire produces a positive ion cloud beneath so they repel
each other. If I have understood the EHD account correctly, the force of
repulsion is predicted to be greater than the force of attraction
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