Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
I'll make an admittedly off-topic statement when I say that, as with your need to label Marissa a little girl, you seem to have been rabble-rousing. (you even went out of your way, because the alliteration of Little's little is just terrible) Perhaps we can keep this on-topic by noting that you actions may have had more impact had they been more professionally courteous. On Jul 15, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: I identified one of the scientists as Scott Little's little girl, Marissa. Some igit who thinks he's protecting some secret banned me for commenting on the fact that one can discern interesting facts from those threads deleted and people banned. I was instantly reinstated; so, it was a ego trip by the administrator named magnatrix. BTW, the bloggers caught it: http://freeenergytracker.blogspot.com/ Such silliness! Terry On 7/15/07, Steven Krivit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry, What's this all about? If there was a prior related thread, I missed it. thx s Subject:re; Banned Hi Terry I didn't want to have to ban you ( I don't like doing that), but you need to understand that if you start up about all the stuff that is moderated, you will end up causing a lot of work grief for the admins. Please don't being up issues regarding moderation ( how it was done) Thank you for your consideration I will now re-instate you. mags On 7/14/07, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simply for identifying the mysterious Marissa: http://eyres.home.texas.net/bios/Marissa.htm I also commented to the fact that they were giving away much information simply by the threads which they deleted. Something smells in Ireland. Terry
Re: [Vo]:Re: Isomers, LENR, reprocessed D2O
Horace this was mean, I almost believed you in spite of your wink so I ran the query myself, fortunately big broother ranked the same page top :) The Vortex list archive always gets high ranking in Google queries for some reason. Michel - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Isomers, LENR, reprocessed D2O On Jul 16, 2007, at 12:27 PM, OrionWorks wrote: From Jones: ... BTW - is it odd that the previous message to Vo - part of it included below, is the first thing that turns up on a google search for [18-O shape isomer] even though it is only a few days old. Don't they rank these things by how often they are read? Your actions have been noted. -- Dr. Zhivago You probably subscribed to google one way or another. They now keep track of your personal queries and prioritize in a custom way ... all just for you. wink. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:LANR Colloquium update (more expt'l papers)
The tentative schedule of the August 2007 Cold Fusion Colloquium on Lattice-Assisted Nuclear Reactions (LANR) The Science and Technology of Deuterated Metals at MIT continues to develop. Date: Saturday, August 18, 2007 Title: Colloquium on the Physics, Electrical Engineering, and Material Science of Lattice-Assisted Nuclear Reactions [cold fusion, LENR] Place: Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, MA * Pre-registration required Tentative Lecture Schedule: 9:30 AM - 4:30 PM Experimental Studies of Lattice-assisted Nuclear reactions Dr. Mitchell Swartz - Excess Heat Measurements in Deuterated Palladium Dr. Scott Chubb - Review of experimental presentations at ICCF13 (Sochi, Russia) Dr. Melvin Miles - Calorimetry in Excess Heat Measurements in Deuterated Palladium Alloys Dr. Larry Forseley- Gamma emissions from CR39 Films near Codeposited Deuterated Palladium Dr. Mitchell Swartz - Optimal Operating Point Operation and Tardive Thermal Power in Deuterated Palladium Rick Cantwell - Loading Studies of Pressure Loaded Hydrided Metals Dr. Brian Ahern - Phenomena associated with Ultrahigh Loading Rates of Tungsten Wires Theoretical Analyses of Lattice-assisted Nuclear reactions Prof. Peter Hagelstein - Phonon Theory Involving Deuterated Metals Dr. Mitchell Swartz - Continuum Electromechanical Approach to Lattice-assisted Fusion Dr. Scott Chubb - Symmetry and Finite Size in the Quantum Electrodynamics of Lattice-Assisted (d)-d fusion Dr. Talbot Chubb - Solid State Fusion in Deuterated Metals Other Lectures to be announced Tentative Group Discussions [Intellectual Property, Business Development, RD issues]: --- Obstruction at the US Patent Office Business Developments Current Issues/problems in CR39, and other types of, recording devices More Information (will be changed as developments follow): at url: http://world.std.com/~mica/colloq07.html
Re: [Vo]:Re: Isomers, LENR, reprocessed D2O
On Jul 16, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Jones Beene wrote: --- Horace Heffner writes: Here is a way out there improbable thought for you. One CF joker may be mirror matter. For those who haven't seen it, Wiki has a pretty good entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_matter ...but it would be nice to reconcile mirror matter and anti-matter elegantly, There is nothing to reconcile. Mirror matter is a change of handedness, that's all. Its existence is predicted by mirror symmetry. Each (left handed) particle-antiparticle pair has a mirror (right handed) particle-antiparticle pair. Except via the graviton, mirror matter messenger particles don't interact with ordinary particles, so it is invisible to our world except for a very weak interactions due to photon-mirror photon. In my gravimagnetics paper I predict that the mirror matter exhibits negative gravity, that it carries negative gravitational charge. In other words, an exchange of a (spin 2) graviton between mirror matter and normal matter results in mutual repulsion. This implies then that ordinary black holes spew forth mirror matter, created from the vacuum. assuming that the two are not mutually exclusive... Apparently Robert Forward did not do this. Forward was not aware of mirror matter at the time. It would also be nice to reconcile the Dirac epo field with mirror matter. Done. See p 29-32 of: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FullGravimag.pdf Wonder if anyone has considered the dimensional (fractal) angle? I don' know about that, but my gravimagnetic fields and charges exist in imaginary dimensions. Negative gravitational mass and positive gravitational mass are both imaginary, while the charges and EM fields of the same fermions carrying them are in real dimensions. In response to the related question- Are mirror matter particles related to supersymmetry partner particles? Not related. However, the need for supersymmetry is bypassed by my gravimagnetism theory by combining gravitational and EM aspects in particles, especially fermions, yet with separate messengers in separate dimensions. Robert Foot answered as follows: There's really no relation. Mirror symmery is a different type of symmetry to supersymmetry. The only similarity is that both ideas require a doubling of the number of elementary particles. (in mirror symmetry, the mirror particles form an almost decoupled sector -- similar to ordinary particles but where left and right are interchanged). Mirror symmetry is a discrete symmetry (i.e. not a continuous symmetry), which allows this type of theory to exhibit space-reflection as a symmetry, while supersymmetry is nothing to do with space-reflection, but is a continuous symmetry relating particles with differenct spin: each ordinary particle has a hypothetical superpartner. However supersymmetry must be broken because if it was unbroken the SUSY particles would have been discovered already). Nevertheless, supersymmetry is very popular, but there really is no evidence for it (despite multi-billion dollar searches for it!!). It survives only because it is popular. As you know, mirror symmetry is not so popular but I like to think there is a lot of evidence for it -- certainly more than for supersymmetry. If I can give you an example: both theories claim to provide an explanation for dark matter, but I would argue that the mirror symmetry explanation is the more natural. Why? Because it explains the basic properties of dark matter. Mirror particles couple extremely weakly to photons, so mirror matter is dark. mirror atoms are also stable for the same reason that ordinary ones are. In other words, with the one hypothesis, mirror symmetry, one predicts the existence of invisible stable matter in the Universe. The abundance is not predicted. Well - Foot is a bold one...and has put his best theory Forward, so to speak. Jones Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Our friends in Arabia
A very good idea but there would need to be a political will, and for that the citizens themselves would have to be convinced it's good for them to pay more at the pump than they would without that import duty. Michel - Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:58 AM Subject: [Vo]:Our friends in Arabia Former CIA director James Woolsey made this insightful observation in this month's Futurist magazine http://www.wfs.org/futintervja07.htm If you remember, we got interested in alternative fuel firms like the Synfuels Corporation in the late seventies and then in 1985, the Saudi's dropped the oil down to $5 a barrel and bankrupted the Synfuels Corporation. The good news is that they bankrupted the Soviet Union, too, but they certainly undercut alternative fuel efforts. People got interested in alternative fuels again in the early nineties, then in the late nineties, oil dropped down to $10 a barrel and people lost interest, again. One of the things that we have to do is make sure that this rollercoaster effect can't happen again. END One way to do this is a floating import duty on Arabian oil which will keep the price at a level where all the alternative biofuel, like Algoil, which we can make from Algae will have a ready market. We can exclude corn ethanol by other means.
Re: [Vo]:Re: Isomers, LENR, reprocessed D2O
Jones wrote... ...but it would be nice to reconcile mirror matter and anti-matter elegantly, assuming that the two are not mutually exclusive... Apparently Robert Forward did not do this. It would also be nice to reconcile the Dirac epo field with mirror matter. Wonder if anyone has considered the dimensional (fractal) angle? In response to the related question- Are mirror matter particles related to supersymmetry partner particles? Howdy Jones, Getting a little over into never never land with the fractal although I can imagine the results of light dispersing through a prism that has been ground and polished into the shape of a cone. From that step onward the imagination can become rampant. Should the cone become fractured or segmented, a host of random dispersions can happen. The problem with space physics theory is the imagination is so limited . Richard
Re: [Vo]:Our friends in Arabia
On Jul 16, 2007, at 6:58 PM, Jones Beene wrote: One way to do this is a floating import duty on Arabian oil which will keep the price at a level where all the alternative biofuel, like Algoil, which we can make from Algae will have a ready market. We can exclude corn ethanol by other means. I assume you mean a duty on all foreign oil, or all oil, and that would be as as there is really only one market. I suggest a great way to spend the money: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/LegacyPlan.pdf Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Ethanol as a fuel
On Jul 16, 2007, at 7:12 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: Hi Horace, You're right but what would be the right message? Regarding your EnergyCosts.pdf I noticed you focused on capital cost in USD/W, following most authors. It seems to me a more meaningful although probably more difficult to evaluate figure would be the actual bottom line energy cost for the user (e.g. in USDcents/kWh as in your last table which is a bit outdated unfortunately (1996)), as capital cost reflects neither labor cost nor longevity nor transportation costs nor CO2 emission compensation costs etc... Then maybe the message could be brought to the people in the form of a single cents/kWh vs Year graph featuring one curve per energy type, showing the past evolution and projecting into the future. Past and foreseeable technological steps, such as printed CIGS for solar, would show as (hopefully downgoing) steps in the curves. This is all sensible except for the sadly limited ability of the general public (in the US anyway) to understand or even listen to these things when all they really want to think about is their next new gas guzzling status symbol. I expect it will take some kind of sound bite jingoist approach, plus the hard knocks that are bound to show up soon. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Re: Isomers, LENR, reprocessed D2O
--- R.C.Macaulay wrote: Wonder if anyone has considered the dimensional (fractal) angle? Getting a little over into never never land with the fractal although I can imagine the results of light dispersing through a prism ... Richard, I should have made that clearer, although your mental image is not far off. I was using the term fractal in the original sense of fractional dimension - or a hidden subset of local space. If 'mirror matter', or the 'epo field' perhaps, were to be located in a 3-space fractal, that matter would still be within 'our space' but enfolded, or nested, in normal matter in such a way that it was effectively hidden. If you have watched a visual and animated fractal progression, from what seems to be zooming in from larger to smaller, you can get some appreciation for this situation. There is never a full dimensional change (or power law jump) However, as a practical matter there is little to distinguish this kind of space sensually from another full dimension, but it does makes a difference mathematically to suggest a fractal, rather than another whole dimension. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Re: Isomers, LENR, reprocessed D2O
I think you are pulling my leg (I wonder where this silly expression comes from BTW), but if you really know of such a feature in Google any pointers would be welcome. Michel - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Isomers, LENR, reprocessed D2O On Jul 17, 2007, at 2:48 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: Horace this was mean, I almost believed you in spite of your wink so I ran the query myself, fortunately big broother ranked the same page top :) The Vortex list archive always gets high ranking in Google queries for some reason. You need to get someone else, someone who does not frequent vortex or sci groups, to do the same query. If they get the same list, then it is not the customized search feature. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
- Original Message - From: R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn As an internet group that is widely read we should refrain from mentioning someone's daughter by name. In this case she is both a professional and a very good one for what I have seen of her work. Indeed Terry hasn't been courteous in this occasion, but is he ever? For example he hasn't talked to me since I last pointed out an error in one of his calculations, instead of thanking me for that as a courteous person would have done. Michel and entitled to privacy. Richard - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn Me, courteous? I have earned the right to be a curmudgeon. sniff On 7/17/07, Zachary Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll make an admittedly off-topic statement when I say that, as with your need to label Marissa a little girl, you seem to have been rabble-rousing. (you even went out of your way, because the alliteration of Little's little is just terrible) Perhaps we can keep this on-topic by noting that you actions may have had more impact had they been more professionally courteous. On Jul 15, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: I identified one of the scientists as Scott Little's little girl, Marissa. Some igit who thinks he's protecting some secret banned me for commenting on the fact that one can discern interesting facts from those threads deleted and people banned. I was instantly reinstated; so, it was a ego trip by the administrator named magnatrix. BTW, the bloggers caught it: http://freeenergytracker.blogspot.com/ Such silliness! Terry On 7/15/07, Steven Krivit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry, What's this all about? If there was a prior related thread, I missed it. thx s Subject:re; Banned Hi Terry I didn't want to have to ban you ( I don't like doing that), but you need to understand that if you start up about all the stuff that is moderated, you will end up causing a lot of work grief for the admins. Please don't being up issues regarding moderation ( how it was done) Thank you for your consideration I will now re-instate you. mags On 7/14/07, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simply for identifying the mysterious Marissa: http://eyres.home.texas.net/bios/Marissa.htm I also commented to the fact that they were giving away much information simply by the threads which they deleted. Something smells in Ireland. Terry -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.6/902 - Release Date: 7/15/2007 2:21 PM
Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
... and I'll add that a persons email and phone # should *not* be published on the Internet without his or her permission. I'm still a little appalled that someone at Vo publishing Dr. Mike's email phone #. R.C.Macaulay wrote: As an internet group that is widely read we should refrain from mentioning someone's daughter by name. In this case she is both a professional and entitled to privacy. Richard
Re: [Vo]:Earthquake in Japan damages nuclear reactor complex
The Mainichi Newspaper filed a report at 22:22 (9:22 a.m. EDT) describing the damage to the nuclear reactor in more detail. In Japanese: http://www.mainichi-msn.co.jp/today/news/20070718km040091000c.html They have now tallied 50 problems caused or probably by the earthquake. All 50 are listed in this article. Many are minor, such as an elevator that stopped working, filters knocked out of position, or puddles of water. Others are more serious. The most serious problem was the transformer fire that burned for 2 hours. They had difficulty extinguishing it because the firefighting water supply pipes and other equipment was damaged in the earthquake. The firefighting equipment was rated C Class -- the lowest standard of earthquake resistance. Other serious problems included: Small leaks of radioactive iodine and cobalt, in addition to the leak reported yesterday. (Yesterday's report was made several hours after plant officials were informed of the problem.) About 100 drum cans of low level rad-waste toppled over, because the bolts used to hold them in position were substandard. Some of the tops of drum cans came off, but there was no significant release of rad-waste into the environment. There are about 2000 drum cans of waste on site. 3 500 kV power lines disabled. Lubricating oil leaks. Main transformer oil leaks. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Isomers, LENR, reprocessed D2O
Horace Heffner wrote: A gravimagnetically bound mirror nucleus would make the spin radius of a normal nucleus look unusually large. Well getting back to D2O and the possibility that ... IF - when all is said and done - (big IF) it then becomes apparent that a high ratio of 18O to 16O is in fact the most important determining variable: which is predictive of excess heat in LENR experiments (or a particular class of experiment), then where does that leave us? We must consider both the implications of excess energy which derives from nuclear isomerism, and/or mirror matter, and/or other possibilities- including the idea that the excess energy in 18O is somehow translated to the deuterium to enhance fusion. When Horace suggests: This alone would make fusion more probable. One assumes that he is referring there to the mirror matter being attached to deuterium... and that would be the simplest possibility but almost impossible to distinguish statistically. ... but if and when 18O is found to be the determining variable, then fusion enhancement of D2 due to deuterium-mirror-matter becomes a less-likely route. There still could be an energy transfer between closely spaced nuclei, or else NO nuclear fusion at all (except incidental)- with the excess heat coming entirely from metastability. This all gets very complicated and sticky. Perhaps it is best to wait and see if there is any statistical correlation between excess energy in LENR experiments - with this isomer ratio: 18O/16O -- before even venturing off on that course. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
Dr. Mike's email is posted in his profile on Steorn. Marissa is listed as an experimentalist on Earthtech's web site: http://earthtech.org/principals/index.html Youse guys are being silly. Curmudgeon On 7/17/07, Paul Lowrance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... and I'll add that a persons email and phone # should *not* be published on the Internet without his or her permission. I'm still a little appalled that someone at Vo publishing Dr. Mike's email phone #. R.C.Macaulay wrote: As an internet group that is widely read we should refrain from mentioning someone's daughter by name. In this case she is both a professional and entitled to privacy. Richard
Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
Exactly. Post his profile url, silly. People have no business posting his email phone # until you get his permission, period. That's common Internet educate. If Dr. Mike wants to remove his email from the Internet then he merely needs to delete it from his profile. How's he going to remove it from hundreds of web pages? Furthermore there's the topic of online spiders that collect email address for spamming purposes. Unbelievable, LOL Terry Blanton wrote: Dr. Mike's email is posted in his profile on Steorn. Marissa is listed as an experimentalist on Earthtech's web site: http://earthtech.org/principals/index.html Youse guys are being silly. Curmudgeon On 7/17/07, Paul Lowrance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... and I'll add that a persons email and phone # should *not* be published on the Internet without his or her permission. I'm still a little appalled that someone at Vo publishing Dr. Mike's email phone #. R.C.Macaulay wrote: As an internet group that is widely read we should refrain from mentioning someone's daughter by name. In this case she is both a professional and entitled to privacy. Richard
Re: [Vo]:Earthquake in Japan damages nuclear reactor complex
Some of the details I translated have been reported by the AP in English: http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/world/story/1600223/ - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Isomers, LENR, reprocessed D2O
Jones Beene wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: IF - when all is said and done - (big IF) it then becomes apparent that a high ratio of 18O to 16O is in fact the most Interesting observation. I think that when identifing isotopes such as O 18 or O16 a better convention might be O (18) or O (16). --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [Vo]:Our friends in Arabia
From Jones: Former CIA director James Woolsey made this insightful observation in this month's Futurist magazine http://www.wfs.org/futintervja07.htm ... Good article! There is a lot of irony in the James Woosley article. It reminds me of an obscure film I once saw back around 1980, titled The Formula starring George C. Scott and Marlin Brando. See: http://www.amazon.com/Formula-George-Scott-Marlon-Brando/dp/B000KHME7U http://tinyurl.com/3bbzvg and Ebert's take: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19801223/REVIEWS/12230301/1023 http://tinyurl.com/2ybpul The film revolved around a murder espionage mystery associated with the deliberate suppression of a chemical formula, a cheap and easy to implement catalyst that could be used to convert ample supplies of coal into a liquid petroleum base making (as it had been theorized over twenty years ago) cheap and abundant oil. I won't go into the rational of making abundant oil from coal, nor had the specter of global warming become a hot topic of discussion. Suffice it is to say I gather that these days there actually are a few in the industry working on this process, and with some limited success. But I'm getting off topic. Getting back to this obscure little film. G. C. Scott is an investigator hot on the trail of a murder victim, a famous chemist. He quickly discovers that the chemist had been murdered because of his unique knowledge of a special chemical catalyst, the formula. Scott's investigation eventually lands him in the mansion of a major petroleum CEO tycoon where he confronts the legendary (as well as physically large) Marlin Brando, where we get to hear Scott regurgitate a patriotic speech, something to the effect that ...you are the reason we have people foraging for food out of garbage cans these days... Before this confrontation occurs there is a scene where the CEO is meticulously tending the garden in the back of his lavish mansion. A subordinate arrives with another routine report on changes in the supply and demand of their petroleum product. At the end of the report the subordinate smugly states that due to the complexities of how the their extracted crude will be bought sold through various supply chains it will be easy to hoodwink everyone, especially the America public, into blaming the Arabs for what is anticipated to be a another round of price hikes. Brando straightens up from his flower bed and releases a heavy sigh matching his heavy girth. He turns to face his subordinate and with an exasperated expression states matter-of-factly, You continue to forget the fact that WE are the Arabs. Fast forwarding to the racy present, I find incredible irony in the premise that in order to assist our nation's vulnerable and fledgling synfuels industry the petroleum industry must in turn continue to play the role of ...the Arabs. Whether such conspiracies are the result of deliberate design or, more likely, due to the way the raw egg is rolling precariously across the kitchen counter top we the general public are probably never likely to know the nitty-gritty of it all. I am, however, willing to entertain the notion that there may be a few brave souls within the petroleum industry who have figured out this dirty little secret, as well as the irony of it all. It would seem that the most patriotic action they can continue to pursue would be to remain the greedy little bastards that they are. Perhaps under the circumstances it's easy to play the role of the unsung hero. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: [Vo]:Our friends in Arabia
OrionWorks wrote: Good article! There is a lot of irony in the James Woosley article. It reminds me of an obscure film I once saw back around 1980, titled The Formula starring George C. Scott and Marlin Brando. Perfect quote from that movie (thanks to imdb) : Adam Steiffel (Brando) Chairman of Titan Oil [aka Exxon]: We're not in the oil business; we're in the oil shortage business! ...unless of course, Brando forgot his lines onces again, but was saved by the acting muse ... later in response to Arthur Clements proposing that Titan Oil raise gasoline prices: The people will accept the 12 cents now because we can blame it on the Arabs! Adam Steiffel: Ah, Arthur, you're missing the point: We *are* the Arabs.
RE: [Vo]:Nuclear Sausage
From Jones No its not your normal Polish variety http://tinyurl.com/2l4drn or http://physicsworldarchive.iop.org/index.cfm?action=summarydoc=5%2F8% 2Fphwv5i8a28%40pwa-xmlqt= Jones ... I'm aware of two distinct hand-held calculator classifications of Polish descent. (ONE) I have been using HP Calculators (the RPN kind) since my college days, over thirty years ago. I love'em! The only TRUE calculator! These calculators remind me of a stint with the Space Astronomy Lab at the University of Wisconsin back in the mid 1980s, where one of my assignments was to develop software on a minicomputer using the FORTH language. For those who might be curious, FORTH is a computer language that was created primarily to interactively handle the hardware of astronomical equipment. The FORTH language is unique in the sense that it's basically one gigantic stack where numbers are pushed and popped off the stack, as well as all logical machinations - all through the clever manipulation of Reverse Polish Notation. It was amazing what one could accomplish with such a simple computer language. (TWO) As a gift to one of the most beloved Madison Area Technical College computer instructors whose last name ended in -ski, I volunteered to construct a gift, a special hand-held calculator in honor his ethnic heritage. The hardware consisted of a wooden block, about 1x3x6 inches in size, with five drilled holes big enough to allow a person to fit their fingers and thumb through. He graciously accepted his gift at special presentation held at a graduating party. I still wonder how I got an A in his class. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: [Vo]:Earthquake in Japan damages nuclear reactor complex
On Jul 17, 2007, at 6:32 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: About 100 drum cans of low level rad-waste toppled over, because the bolts used to hold them in position were substandard. Some of the tops of drum cans came off, but there was no significant release of rad-waste into the environment. There are about 2000 drum cans of waste on site. ABC news about an hour ago had a report that 200 drums worth of radioactive material went into the sea. This could just be the confusion typically found in reporting, or at least reporters. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Re: Isomers, LENR, reprocessed D2O
On Jul 17, 2007, at 5:22 AM, Jones Beene wrote: --- R.C.Macaulay wrote: Wonder if anyone has considered the dimensional (fractal) angle? Getting a little over into never never land with the fractal although I can imagine the results of light dispersing through a prism ... Richard, I should have made that clearer, although your mental image is not far off. I was using the term fractal in the original sense of fractional dimension - or a hidden subset of local space. I think those hidden rolled up dimensions are more commonly called folded dimensions. In any case the imaginary dimensions in my gravimagnetic theory are not folded. They can alternatively be viewed as actually existing in real dimensions, but only involving the gravitational qualities of the vacuum. They are manifest in our reality only due to the fact gravitational charge and electromagnetic charge are bound in most particles. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Re: Isomers, LENR, reprocessed D2O
On Jul 17, 2007, at 5:12 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: I think you are pulling my leg (I wonder where this silly expression comes from BTW), but if you really know of such a feature in Google any pointers would be welcome. Michel Say, I just realized from your gmail address you have signed up for the google features. They are probably not only automatically picking over your queries, but also picking over you emails - with your permission. You need to look at the agreement you signed when you signed up for gmail. Sorry for my choice of words, but I have this vision of Prometheus on a rock being picked at ... 8^) Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
On Jul 17, 2007, at 6:59 AM, Paul Lowrance wrote: Exactly. Post his profile url, silly. People have no business posting his email phone # until you get his permission, period. That's common Internet educate. If Dr. Mike wants to remove his email from the Internet then he merely needs to delete it from his profile. How's he going to remove it from hundreds of web pages? Furthermore there's the topic of online spiders that collect email address for spamming purposes. There are crawlers and acrchivers of web pages also. You put something on a web page and you can expect it to be around indefinitely. Ever hear of the Wayback Machine? http://www.archive.org/web/web.php Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
On Jul 17, 2007, at 6:17 AM, Paul Lowrance wrote: ... and I'll add that a persons email and phone # should *not* be published on the Internet without his or her permission. I'm still a little appalled that someone at Vo publishing Dr. Mike's email phone #. It was published on his web site. It is therefor public information. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Earthquake in Japan damages nuclear reactor complex
Horace Heffner wrote: ABC news about an hour ago had a report that 200 drums worth of radioactive material went into the sea. Really?! That can't be right. What is the URL? This could just be the confusion typically found in reporting, or at least reporters. Perhaps they are confusing the report of slightly radioactive water flushed into the ocean with the report of the drum cans turning over. The facility is next to the ocean, as are many Japanese power plants. I assume they use ocean water for cooling. The facility has been shown on television and on-line news reports. I do not think anything could float away from it! On the other hand, a nearby railroad station which is described as the closest to the ocean in Japan is now mainly *in* the ocean. The cliff and retaining wall collapsed, and most of the station facility slid into the ocean. The Asahi newspaper just reported that the geological fault that gave rise to the earthquake runs directly under the Kashiwazaki plant. Reportedly, questions are being raised about the prerequisites for construction and the wisdom of restarting the plant. I'll bet they are being raised! A little late, I would say, since it is the world's largest nuclear plant and they hardly throw it away now. Still, it survived pretty well, in my opinion. Alarmists are saying this proves that nuclear plants are vulnerable but I think you can make the opposite case. A coal-fired plant might be in much worse shape after a magnitude 6.5 earthquake. You cannot SCRAM a pile of burning coal. The news showed a large trash-disposal facility in the city nearby with high chimney, which I presume is used for incineration, although most trash is recycled these days. It appear to be a heavy duty chimney, very large and square shaped. It broke about 2/3rd of the way up and partially collapsed (stove-in). An incredible sight. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
Horace Heffner wrote: On Jul 17, 2007, at 6:59 AM, Paul Lowrance wrote: Exactly. Post his profile url, silly. People have no business posting his email phone # until you get his permission, period. That's common Internet educate. If Dr. Mike wants to remove his email from the Internet then he merely needs to delete it from his profile. How's he going to remove it from hundreds of web pages? Furthermore there's the topic of online spiders that collect email address for spamming purposes. There are crawlers and acrchivers of web pages also. You put something on a web page and you can expect it to be around indefinitely. Ever hear of the Wayback Machine? You betcha I have! Horace Heffner wrote: On Jul 17, 2007, at 6:17 AM, Paul Lowrance wrote: ... and I'll add that a persons email and phone # should *not* be published on the Internet without his or her permission. I'm still a little appalled that someone at Vo publishing Dr. Mike's email phone #. It was published on his web site. It is therefor public information. Whoosh! Right over your head Horace. ;-) It's called educate. Educate is not a requirement. People don't have to be nice, just as people can grab anyone's email address and post it at all over the Internet. My email address is publish -- http://energymover.googlepages.com/ Yet it's in javascript to prevent spiders, but I certainly do *not* want people blasting my email address all over the Internet. If one must pass it on, then *please* do it privately or by some other appropriate manner.
Re: [Vo]:Earthquake in Japan damages nuclear reactor complex
On Jul 17, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: ABC news about an hour ago had a report that 200 drums worth of radioactive material went into the sea. Really?! That can't be right. What is the URL? No URL. It was a TV broadcast. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
On Jul 17, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Paul Lowrance wrote: My email address is publish -- http://energymover.googlepages.com/ Yet it's in javascript to prevent spiders, but I certainly do *not* want people blasting my email address all over the Internet. If one must pass it on, then *please* do it privately or by some other appropriate manner. That's absurd. Your email is in every reply to every email you send to vortex. Spammers pay people to pick up email addresses from places like your web site and vortex. You put it there and it is public information. Your request is like putting your phone number on the front of your house or in the newspaper and expecting people to keep it a secret. Further, web crawlers are getting smarter all the time. They are especially good at picking email addresses and URLs out of character streams that come back from a web site. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
Paul Lowrance wrote: There are indeed sites that post your email address, which is why I try my best to maintain minimum posting at such sites. As stated, there are sites that have poor educate. Generally smaller sites who can't afford to program proper anti-spam server code. Google is a prime example of a friendly site: http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=X7urRBYJHa_jqwY19aFntqcVejzHGqZCb31EP3mTXmcXfEDh8A A person can obtain Uncle Al's email address, but a spider cannot.
Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
On Jul 17, 2007, at 1:43 PM, Paul Lowrance wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: On Jul 17, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Paul Lowrance wrote: My email address is publish -- http://energymover.googlepages.com/ Yet it's in javascript to prevent spiders, but I certainly do *not* want people blasting my email address all over the Internet. If one must pass it on, then *please* do it privately or by some other appropriate manner. That's absurd. Your email is in every reply to every email you send to vortex. Please post a Vortex-l archive URL of my email address? I didn't say anything about the vortex archive. You think there are no spammers subscribed to this list, and every other list they can get wind of? Quite a nonsensical assumption. There are indeed sites that post your email address, which is why I try my best to maintain minimum posting at such sites. Well this is not one of them. I see your email address plainly. You still want me to post it? I'll simply copy my message header info. You just can't admit it. This is all about educate, and you goofed up! Well, if this is about education then I guess I should let you know that educate is a verb and education is a noun. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Earthquake in Japan damages nuclear reactor complex
On Jul 17, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: On Jul 17, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: ABC news about an hour ago had a report that 200 drums worth of radioactive material went into the sea. Really?! That can't be right. What is the URL? I may not be right about that. That's what I thought I heard. The TV was on in the background. I didn't think much about it at the time. I can't find anything like that on the web. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
Horace Heffner wrote: On Jul 17, 2007, at 1:43 PM, Paul Lowrance wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: On Jul 17, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Paul Lowrance wrote: My email address is publish -- http://energymover.googlepages.com/ Yet it's in javascript to prevent spiders, but I certainly do *not* want people blasting my email address all over the Internet. If one must pass it on, then *please* do it privately or by some other appropriate manner. That's absurd. Your email is in every reply to every email you send to vortex. Please post a Vortex-l archive URL of my email address? I didn't say anything about the vortex archive. You think there are no spammers subscribed to this list, and every other list they can get wind of? Quite a nonsensical assumption. I have no idea how many spammers are subscribed to this list, but I don't see Dr Mike here. Again you're missing the point. We're trying to deter spam. Google and other friendly sites spend a lot of money trying to deter spammers.
[Vo]:gravimagnetics
Gravimagnetics continues to slowly evolve, as I dunder and blunder my way along, especially from page 28 to 33: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FullGravimag.pdf Some snippets of fairly new material follows. There is a seeming problem regarding the conservation of gravitational charge. Matter-antimatter pairs created from the vacuum carry the same gravitational charge. Gravitational charge thus appears to not be conserved. There is a convenient and highly unanticipated resolution to this problem. When a matter-antimatter pair is created from the vacuum there is always simultaneously created a mirror matter-antimatter pair. Call such a foursome a *dual pair*. Further, having negative gravitational charge, the mirror matter-mirror antimatter pair represents negative energy. Thus is provided a significant new interpretation of the Dirac equation negative energy. Further, the net energy created from the vacuum double pair formation (initially anyway) is stunningly exactly zero. ... In normal (weak field magnitude) circumstances, when it comes to the flat space Dirac equation, the interaction Hamiltonians, etc., the gravitational universe, consisting entirely of imaginary quantites, can be viewed as completely independent for computational purposes, and then consolidated. The exact same equations can be applied to the gravitational portion of the computation in order to derive the gravitational forces, energies, waveforms, etc. The gravitational formulations are completely independent of the electromagnetic formulations. They are isomorphic, so the same equations are used, though with the isomorphism substitutions as defined. The results, however, are not similar in handedness or magnitude, because, though the equations are all formally identical, there are imaginary values coming into play, and h_g = - h, G is used instead of the Coulomb constant, etc. Because the gravitational charge and EM charge are bound together, the forces can be summed to characterize a fermion, or to characterize a boson-fermion interaction as a whole. The Hamiltonians exist independently and energy conservation results in both universes. ... Note that any sized black hole with mass occupying a point has, for some finite radius, a volume in which the field strength is sufficient for double pair creation to take place. As the mass of a black hole increases, the radius of this mass spawning sphere increases. For this reason, essentially every black hole spawns mass from the vacuum, and thus simultaneously builds its own mass. Also for this reason, spawning black holes, using the Large Hadron Collider, for example, may be far more dangerous than anyone expects. ... BLACK HOLES RADIATE Black holes consisting of mirror matter create dual pairs, as described above, and absorb the negative gravitational energy of the mirror pair. The real pair is then ejected in one form or another, either as a matter pair, or as a pair of real photons. Analogous effects occur from real (as opposed to mirror matter) black holes. The smaller the black hole, the greater the proportion of energy ejected that should be in the form of photons. In any case, most of the mass-energy ejected should be in the form of photons due to the high probability of (like gravitationally charged) pair annihilation. These gravitationally emitted photons will have energy levels that indicate the (positive) gravitational potential of the radius at which they were formed. Further, the radiant mass-energy of a mirror black hole not feeding on other bodies provides a direct indicator of the rate of mass increase of that black hole due to dual pair creation, because the two mass-energy flow rates are equal. This radiant energy is *not* Hawking radiation. Its origin is not the event horizon, but rather the interior of the black hole, and its spectrum provides information about conditions inside the black hole, including its mass and the dual pair formation flux at various radii r. Negative gravitational matter is utterly unaffected by an event horizon. Dual pair initiated radiation is comparatively invisible when coming from an ordinary matter black hole because the radiation is mostly mirror radiation. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
On Jul 17, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Paul Lowrance wrote: I have no idea how many spammers are subscribed to this list, but I don't see Dr Mike here. Again you're missing the point. We're trying to deter spam. Google and other friendly sites spend a lot of money trying to deter spammers. I think you missed my point. If you don't want something public then don't make it so yourself. Educate is a verb. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
Horace Heffner wrote: On Jul 17, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Paul Lowrance wrote: I have no idea how many spammers are subscribed to this list, but I don't see Dr Mike here. Again you're missing the point. We're trying to deter spam. Google and other friendly sites spend a lot of money trying to deter spammers. I think you missed my point. If you don't want something public then don't make it so yourself. I didn't miss anything. The moral of this story -- There will always be mindless jerk who doesn't give a rats a** about other people. Horace Heffner wrote: You think there are no spammers subscribed to this list, and every other list they can get wind of? You admit it. You posted Dr. Mikes email address to who knows how many spammers subscribed to this list. You have no morals what so ever ... surprise, surprise, LOL.
Re: [Vo]:Re: Isomers, LENR, reprocessed D2O
Now you're pulling my liver ;-) The risks you mention are real, let's just hope they stand by their Don't be evil corporate motto! In any case I don't use gmail for confidential emails. Regarding customized search, I see they do indeed have this feature, but it doesn't apply to their standard search box: all users typing the same query in the Google.com box at a short time interval do get the same results in the same order. I am quite sure of this as many people I know rely on this feature to point to a web page on the phone: Google for bla bla, third hit in the list. Michel - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Isomers, LENR, reprocessed D2O On Jul 17, 2007, at 5:12 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: I think you are pulling my leg (I wonder where this silly expression comes from BTW), but if you really know of such a feature in Google any pointers would be welcome. Michel Say, I just realized from your gmail address you have signed up for the google features. They are probably not only automatically picking over your queries, but also picking over you emails - with your permission. You need to look at the agreement you signed when you signed up for gmail. Sorry for my choice of words, but I have this vision of Prometheus on a rock being picked at ... 8^) Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
On Jul 17, 2007, at 5:38 PM, R.C.Macaulay wrote: We can be civil and respectful in our decorum or we can degrade each other . The VortexL group has a persona of it's own. Unique in that there is little profanity or demeaning of one another. Three levels of conversation.. low is talking about oneself, next is talking about somebody else. High is talking about ideas. Give me a group like Vortex that talks about ideas. Stimulating and energizing. Richard OK. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Newton's Cradle Nuclear Sausage
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:34:30 -0700: Hi Jones, [snip] I would almost guarantee that anyone curious about physical anomalies, real or imaginary, or should I say: 'curious enough to post outlandish and unproven ideas to this forum' - has owned a Newton's Cradle at one time or another: http://www.outerarm.demon.co.uk/graphics/newtons_cradle_1_640x480.jpg Why on earth - that particular silly observation should sound logical to me is unknown, but anyway, moving on to the next one ... Since you are on the topic of nuclear structure, you may find this of interest: http://checkerboard.dnsalias.net/ [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:Banned from Steorn
Horace Heffner wrote: On Jul 17, 2007, at 3:54 PM, Paul Lowrance wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: I think you missed my point. If you don't want something public then don't make it so yourself. I didn't miss anything. The moral of this story -- There will always be mindless jerk who doesn't give a rats a** about other people. Actually it appears you did miss something. If you are so concerned and you want your address protected from web crawlers then you should post them on your web site in a cryptic form, not out in the clear as you have on you web page. You can add obvious spaces for example. LOL, this is hilarious. My email address on my site is and has been in cryptic form. You don't know what you're talking about. It's called javascript. You admit it. I don't think it is appropriate to cow tow to bullying trolls. It appears that in the future I should simply ignore any of your replies, but comment freely on your work, or not, as I chose. And I have zero respect for someone who acknowledges they submit an innocent persons email address to potential spammers. You posted Dr. Mikes email address to who knows how many spammers subscribed to this list. You have no morals what so ever ... surprise, surprise, LOL. I didn't post anything Dr. Mike did not put on his web site in public view. Fuzzy logic. You should get Dr. Mike's permission before posting his email address to a list of potential spammers. You could have *easily* posted Dr. Mikes URL rather than post his email. A lot of people don't know about or how to protect their email address with javascript. By posting Dr. Mikes URL you are giving Dr. Mike the option of removing or changing his email any time he wishes. Unbelievable. BTW, let me know when you want continue our debate on capturing ambient energy so I can educate (LOL) you on some fundamental physics.
[Vo]:gravimagnetics
My posts through google groups to sci.astro are suddenly not making it there any more, even though groups says they are. Hmmm... should I be paranoid?? Well, if these things disappear along with me then you'll know I got zapped... http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FullGravimag.pdf http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/PioneerAnom.pdf Or maybe I never really existed at all... Let's see, if nothing is wrong then being paranoid is whacko. If something is out of kilter then I'm still whacko. I'm obviously of the lunatic fringe, so there's nothing abnormal about being whacko. No matter how you cut it I end up whacko. H lose... or lose... I prefer the option of one pizza ... or two pizza's. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:Cheap solar a couple years away?
http://knowledgeextreme.blogspot.com/2007/06/taking-natures-cue-for- cheaper-solar.html Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
