[Vo]:The dawn of the bettery?

2008-04-30 Thread Nick Palmer
This looks like a here and now, being currently manufactured, battery approaching the concept of the bettery that Vorts brought up a few months ago... http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?ch=specialsectionssc=batteriesid=20570a=

Re: [Vo]:Toshiba Bettery

2008-04-30 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct. I finally fell into the trap myself. :) Don't feel bad. In the past two months, I have had to correct two retired professors with Ph.D.s in EE who confused power and energy. And *I* still make

[Vo]:Re: Toshiba Bettery

2008-04-30 Thread Charles M. Brown
What is the SCiB battery made of? I think that everyone should know as much about everything as possible. Secrecy does not help civilization extend knowledge. People enthusiastic about batteries should gravitate towards battery makers. Product users should be as knowledgeable as possible

Re: [Vo]:Re: Toshiba Bettery

2008-04-30 Thread Terry Blanton
Lithium Titanate: http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20071212/144076/ Terry On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Charles M. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the SCiB battery made of? I think that everyone should know as much about everything as possible. Secrecy does not help

[Vo]:Plastic in Ocean Gyres

2008-04-30 Thread Charles M. Brown
I just read The World Without Us by Alan Weisman. There is a chapter on megatons of plastic trash in the ocean which wears down to microparticles. Mr. Weisman writes more about the North Pacific Gyre. Let's recover plastic from there. Reusing plastic is probably better than burning it for

Re: [Vo]:Segway is SO last season

2008-04-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Nick Palmer wrote: Have you seen the Smart super microcar? http://www.smartusa.com/ These cars are disappointing. They have lousy gas mileage. By the old EPA standard it was 40 mpg city, 45 mpg highway; by the 2008 standard it is 33 mpg/city, 41 mpg highway. My 1994 Geo Metro gets that

Re: [Vo]:Segway is SO last season

2008-04-30 Thread Nick Palmer
Jed Rothwell wrote:- These cars are disappointing. They have lousy gas mileage I didn't mean to imply they were a good thing! They are also quite expensive to service because everything is shoehorned in and one has occasionally to take the whole drivechain out for repairs that would be easy in

Re: [Vo]:Segway is SO last season

2008-04-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Nick Palmer wrote: Jed Rothwell wrote:- These cars are disappointing. They have lousy gas mileage I didn't mean to imply they were a good thing! They would be a good thing if they got the kind of gas mileage you get with a motorcycle. Frankly, I do not understand why they don't. They look

[Vo]:Re: Toshiba Bettery

2008-04-30 Thread Michel Jullian
That's for the cathode material, and it is nanostructured. The rest seems to be standard Li ion battery materials. It has all the features one can dream of for a Bettery (5mn charge, works down to -30°C, 10 yrs life), except for energy density. From the page you quote: The current capacity and

[Vo]:A123 SCiB synergy

2008-04-30 Thread Charles M. Brown
http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?ch=specialsectionssc=batteriesid=20570a= is an article on the A123 battery featuring a multiple trace metal modified lithium iron phosphate nanoparticle cathode and unspecified anode. The LIP material is better and cheaper than lithium cobalt

Re: [Vo]:Re: Toshiba Bettery

2008-04-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Michel Jullian wrote: That's for the cathode material, and it is nanostructured. The rest seems to be standard Li ion battery materials. It has all the features one can dream of for a Bettery (5mn charge, works down to -30°C, 10 yrs life), except for energy density. From the page you quote:

[Vo]:Re: Toshiba Bettery

2008-04-30 Thread Michel Jullian
They say here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery that the A123 battery has slightly lower energy density that other competing Lithium Ion technologies. Standard Li-ion (not high power): 150 to 200 Wh/kg (sez above article), so slightly lower would be ~100 Wh/kg, twice ScIB's 50

Re: [Vo]:Re: Toshiba Bettery

2008-04-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Michel Jullian wrote: They say here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery that the A123 battery has slightly lower energy density that other competing Lithium Ion technologies. Standard Li-ion (not high power): 150 to 200 Wh/kg (sez above article), so slightly lower would be