RE: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Robert Leguillon
This is all conjecture, but I thought that it may be a fun exercise. IF Defkalion's statements are true (that's a big IF): Defkalion is running ahead of Rossi on this. In one of the post-press-announcement interviews, Defkalion's rep is asked if Rossi is building e-Cats for their 1 MW plant. He

[Vo]:Rossi has lost my trust

2011-07-13 Thread Harry Veeder
I was not judging Rossi's current claims against his past misdeeds. However, I am sorry to say this, but Rossi's current conduct is another matter. His aggressive responses to unfavorable criticism, his growing list of inconsistent statements and his highly dubious demonstrations have undermined

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Damon, Nasa wants a cheap power source in order to deliver cargo to the orbit. And power for ion engines that enable fast deep space missions to the asteroids, Mars and beyond. E-Cat is perfect power source for aeroplane, but it can be applied also for launch vehicle. On Jul 13, 2011 2:14 PM, "Dam

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-13 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Harry: > From the top of the Ny Teknik feb. 23rd article: ”You just have > to embrace a new technology that might solve the energy problems > of mankind, at least until it can be rejected,” Swedish professor > Sven Kullander said in a scientific discussion on the Italian > ‘energy catalyzer’

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
I expect this report is exaggerated or confused. NASA is not charged with authority to devise a program to make cold fusion "the main energy source for the world." That is far beyond their mandate. Heck, they don't even have rockets anymore. I wonder if it was Rossi who claimed that NASA is doing

Re: [Vo]:Crticism of "black box" thinking

2011-07-13 Thread Harry Veeder
Damn, I was hoping my post below would not make it to vortex. ;-) It was my last foolish effort to persuade myself that Rossi is not a scammer. I was prepared to let Rossi's past misdeeds remain in the past, however Rossi's odd behaviour in the present combined with his highly dubious demonstratio

Re: [Vo]:Reports of tritium production from Rossi-like experiments

2011-07-13 Thread Michele Comitini
Interesting... the page has been removed from 22passi! Mic Il giorno 12/lug/2011 20:56, "Akira Shirakawa" ha scritto: > Hello group, > > It looks like there have been interesting news on the (private) CMNS > mailing list as of late. Passerini in his latest post on his 22passi > blog reported one

[Vo]:Crticism of "black box" thinking

2011-07-13 Thread Harry Veeder
If we apply the logic of the "block box" to the eCat then it is possible to argue it is a hoax even if the output is only dry steam. This is based on the assumption that it is theoretically possible to use a 600-700 watt resistance heater to transform a water flow of 7 liters/hours (2ml/secon

Re: [Vo]:test

2011-07-13 Thread Peter Gluck
I also had this problem Peter On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Roarty, Francis X < francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: > Been unable to post from home or work since Sunday > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Rich Murray
damnest nonsense I've ever seen -- I still hope that amid the mass ascension of varied hot air balloons all over, that at least one reproducible little CF effect emerges, however humble, as the catalyst for a mass stampede of scientists... but, mostly, expect irredescent popping bubbles...

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-13 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
There is the following from: http://ecatreport.com/rossi/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-12 Excerpt: > Andrea Rossi on letting some universities test the E-Cat > Rossi went to Uppsala, Sweden the 4th to 5th of July 2011 in > order to enter an agreement with Uppsala University enabling > them to d

Re: [Vo]:test

2011-07-13 Thread Andrea Selva
Me too 2011/7/12 Roarty, Francis X > Been unable to post from home or work since Sunday > >

[Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

2011-07-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
People wonder why Levi has not given out more information about the 18-hour flowing water test. I wish he would publish a detailed report listing the type of flowmeter and so on. It is annoying to me that he has not. I expect Levi and the others consider that test irrefutable. So do I. If I had be

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Rich Murray
"iridescent" -- my phonetic spelling terrible this 24 hours, sitting beside my wife Sondra in Physicians Medical Center Hospital in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and for another 48 hours, after her successful R hip replacement yesterday morning, anterior surgery from the front of the thigh in less than an

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Rich Murray
http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 Below follows a stylized E-Cat Q&A section part 2 /2 from the interview with Andrea Rossi in Stockholm, 5th July 2011 "...Question: Finally, how do you measure the amount of non-vaporized water in the steam? Answer: This has unfortuna

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi is using tubercles to increase the cross-section of his reaction well over what can be produced in a well ordered nickel lattice. A tubercle is a mound created on the metal’s surface. Rossi is using these tubercles to disrupt the regularity of the nickel lattice to increase the strength of th

Re: [Vo]:UFOs Over London

2011-07-13 Thread Terry Blanton
Are some UFOs organic? Bova, et al, wrote of sentient atmospheric beings of Jupiter. Do they exist here. This article provides some evidence: http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2011/07/atmospheric-monsters-attack/ T

[Vo]:Not working again

2011-07-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
A couple of messages did not go through. We should give serious consideration to moving this discussion group to a new ISP. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:55 PM 7/12/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-07-13 02:31, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 The following excerpt from the above interview is "wow" news to me. Is NASA going to get actively involved with Rossi? Wow again if true: T

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:26 PM 7/12/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: [KRIVIT] Professors Sven Kullander, retired from Uppsala University, and Hanno Essén, with the Royal Institute of Technology, endorsed Rossi’s claimed technology in a news story on Feb. 23, 2011, before they had seen or inspected the device. Essé

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:25 AM 7/13/2011, Damon Craig wrote: What does NASA have to say about this? On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Alan J Fletcher <a...@well.com> wrote: http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-par

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-13 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Krivit has modified his statement : Professors Sven Kullander, retired from Uppsala University, and Hanno Essén, with the Royal Institute of Technology, endorsed Rossi’s claimed technology in a news story on Feb. 23, 2011, before they had seen or inspected the device  <***>  on March 29.  <***>

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Harry Veeder
Didn't you know this contradicts  Sven Kullander's statement that the post reaction sample ratio Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 2.24? When asked about this in his blog several weeks ago, Rossi said Kullander is right. So Rossi continues to supply the media with conflicting  information.   Harry From: Mark Ivers

RE: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Mark Iverson
Smaller is not necessarily better... here's an interesting tidbit from the ecatreport. "Andrea Rossi stresses that, although one might first think "the finer the better" because the finer the powder the more surface area per volume you get, this is not the case. Because in order to reach usefu

RE: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Mark Iverson
Another tidbit, but from part 1 of 2... "The post-reaction analysis shows a copper isotope ratio of Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 1.6, while the natural occurrence show a ratio of Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 2.24 which is a statistically significant difference. That, of course, excludes contamination as an explanation of Co

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig wrote: The plot thickens. It may very well be that the device doesn't have to deliver more energy than put into it. What the heck are you talking about?!? Of course it delivers more than you put into it. This is a peculiar thing to say. It may have a market even if it fails th

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Damon Craig
What does NASA have to say about this? On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > http://ecatreport.com/e-cat/andrea-rossi-on-the-e-cat-part-22 > > *The management team of both Defkalion and AmpEnergo will meet on the 14th > July (2011) together with NASA...* >

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Damon Craig
The plot thickens. It may very well be that the device doesn't have to deliver more energy than put into it. It may have a market even if it fails this criterion. I get odd feeling that Mr. Rossi may not know the difference. On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > On 2011-07-13