Re: [Vo]:OT: Rescuing a lost quark (our vacation report)
On Sep 2, 2011, at 9:27 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Welcome Back Steven! Yes, welcome back Steven! No apologies necessary. There’s always next year... … just glad you and your wife had an enjoyable vacation! Where ‘bouts is ‘home’ for you two? And you’ve summed up the Rossi situation pretty good… Horace is back… I think he’s just taking a vacation from Bologna, or perhaps somewhere in Florida! J -Mark Good guess! I've driven over 8,000 miles in recent weeks. Unfortunately, however, I didn't make it to Bologna or Florida. I've encountered a lot of bologna and wished I could have made it to Florida. 8^) Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device
Am 02.09.2011 22:04, schrieb Horace Heffner: The above makes no sense to me. Resistor wattage ratings are merely the maximum wattage that can be put though them without the expectation they will be destroyed. The power ratings are not used to compute the power or current through them. If you put 600 W through a 300 W resistor you can expect it to soon burn out. The printed values are the recommended safe operation conditions, not the maximum rating. With this type of heater resistors, the maximum rating depends mostly on cooling and can be multiply exceeded with good cooling. The problem is, then the voltage must been increased above 230V. P= U^2/R. For double power the voltage must be 1.41*230V. However, if I compare this resistor with the heater coil inside my hairdryer, then the coil in my hairdryer is much smaller and it has 1200W. So, with good cooling, the resistor could deliver about 4 times the wattage. Maybe the lifetime could decrease, but it should be possible.
Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device
On Sep 2, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: I have attached a jpg of the inside of the controller box. Sure is a rat's nest of wires. Where did you get that? A screen capture from a video? A still image? - Jed Yes. I stopped the YouTube video and then did a selective screen cut (COMMAND option 4, NOT alt 4, when in finder mode) on my Mac. If you have Windows 7 it has a snipping tool which can snip parts of your screen. If not Windows 7, you can install Gadwin PrintScreen to get the same capability. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device
I wrote: It is also notable that if the neutral and ground are shorted together in the blue box, and the ammeter is clamped on the neutral, that input power estimates could be double that estimated. That should read: It is also notable that if the neutral and ground are shorted together in the blue box, and the ammeter is clamped on the neutral, that true input power could be double that estimated. In the Krivit video at time 43 seconds you can see the meter is clamped on the brown lead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E This should be correct because the current IEC 60446 standard is neutral-blue, line-brown, and protective-earth-green/yellow. There appears to be some kind of short white adapter between the wall socket and the plug visible at time 41 seconds. Maybe that is just part of the plug? Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device
Am 03.09.2011 14:11, schrieb Horace Heffner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E This should be correct because the current IEC 60446 standard is neutral-blue, line-brown, and protective-earth-green/yellow. There appears to be some kind of short white adapter between the wall socket and the plug visible at time 41 seconds. Maybe that is just part of the plug? Look here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stecker-Typ_L These plugs are symmetrical and blue-brown has no meaning, these can be plugged in both orientations. There is an 10A type and a 16 A type. Best, Peter
Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device
On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:34 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 02.09.2011 22:04, schrieb Horace Heffner: The above makes no sense to me. Resistor wattage ratings are merely the maximum wattage that can be put though them without the expectation they will be destroyed. The power ratings are not used to compute the power or current through them. If you put 600 W through a 300 W resistor you can expect it to soon burn out. The printed values are the recommended safe operation conditions, not the maximum rating. Resistors Wattage Rating and is defined as the amount of heat that a resistive element can dissipate for an indefinite period of time without degrading its performance. http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/resistor/res_7.html Practical resistors are also specified as having a maximum power rating which must exceed the anticipated power dissipation of that resistor in a particular circuit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistor I have had lots of experience burning out resistors. 8^) With this type of heater resistors, the maximum rating depends mostly on cooling and can be multiply exceeded with good cooling. The above is generally true. However, we are talking about band heaters and immersion heaters. They are designed for operation in the manner Rossi is using them, though probably *not* with thick insulation wrapped around the band heaters. Also, such things are made for heating water, not boiling water. The problem is, then the voltage must been increased above 230V. P= U^2/R. For double power the voltage must be 1.41*230V. My point was that the drawing posted showed two 300 W resistors. Rossi put 1200 W through his device in at least one test, AND his controllers output 220 V max. This indicates he has a device with multiple band heaters, or lower resistances and higher power ratings. Perhaps he has a higher wattage 220 V immersion heater inside. Who knows? However, if I compare this resistor with the heater coil inside my hairdryer, then the coil in my hairdryer is much smaller and it has 1200W. So, with good cooling, the resistor could deliver about 4 times the wattage. Maybe the lifetime could decrease, but it should be possible. This does not seem relevant to me because the resistors are being used as designed, at no more than 220 V, but with the exception of heavy insulation on the outside. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device
Am 03.09.2011 14:48, schrieb Horace Heffner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistor I have had lots of experience burning out resistors. 8^) I too. Electronics once was my hobby, and still is my day job ;-) Because I repair, test and develop I have seen burned devices of all kinds ;-) Another thought: When Rossi makes the e-cats in USA he probably must use other devices. The voltage is different.
Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device
On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:24 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:Am 03.09.2011 14:11, schrieb Horace Heffner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98EThis should be correct because the current IEC60446 standard is neutral-blue,line-brown, and protective-earth-green/yellow. There appears to be some kind of short white adapter betweenthe wall socket and the plug visible at time 41 seconds. Maybethat is just part of the plug? Look here:http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stecker-Typ_LThese plugs are symmetrical and blue-brown has no meaning, these canbe plugged in both orientations.There is an 10A type and a 16 A type.Best,Peter Wow, that is interesting. Thanks for posting that! The ground is the center conductor, so neutral and line can be easily interchanged. If the ground and neutral are shorted in the controller box then plugging in an L-type plug gives one a 50-50 chance of sparks and triggered circuit breaker. If they should happen to be shorted it in the blue box would likely be intentional.The above reference is for an L-type connector. I have appended a jpg showing the wall connections. The plug on the left appears to be an L-type. However, its cord runs up toward the ceiling. The cord on the plug on the right leads to Rossi's power meter connection. It is not clear to me that the receptacle on the right is an L-type. Its border is different. Perhaps it is vertically aligned? The white adapter might be to convert from a polarized 3 prong plug to an L-type. I have a 120 V to 220 V EU converter box (useable vice versa) which has a polarized receptacle for both voltages (differing configuration though), and no L-type receptacle. The gray plug appears it might be a polarized plug. I have no way to tell if the white thing is plugged into an L-type receptacle. Maybe you are familiar with this kind of wall mount box? Best regards,Horace Heffnerhttp://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
See: http://www.xanthipress.gr/eidiseis/politiki/9154-xynidis-kontos-aitisi-ergostasio-syntixi-defkalion-.html A translation sent to me by someone (maybe done by Google): No applications for plant in Xanthi With new negative letters answered, as expected, the question submitted by the MP [member of parliament? M. Y.] Xanthi New Republic to competentministers on the issue of environmental impacts from the possible establishment of Xanthi plant devices producing energy from fusion of hydrogen-nickel. After the replies of the Ministry of Finance to the Ministry of Environment and the Ministry of Development responded to Members of the Southwest there is filed an application for the company Defkalion for this investment and therefore can not assess the potential environmental burden . Indeed the response of the Ministry of Development, signed by the Deputy Minister Socrates Xynidis. In this report: In response to the above question tabled in the House by Congressman Alexander Short [That's a translation of Alexander Kontos -- M.Y.] , you know that it has submitted documentation to permit installation and operation of industrial plant of this type» Negative responses from Papakonstantinou - Sokos. Respondents who were released from Alexander Short [Kontos], included a cover of the Environment Minister George Papakonstantinou and a response by the Head of the Department of Industry that the YPEKA not submitted any application. Also by the Secretary of ADMTH letter sent by the Director of the relative address of Apoakentromensi Administration Lambrini Rizos. There is no known application for approval of building fusion power nickel-hydrogen has not been filed and that of the crop [??] should be ensured through the Environmental Impact Study filed in each case.
Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is built over a pile of lies How long Rossi will last with this joke ? 2011/9/3 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com See: http://www.xanthipress.gr/eidiseis/politiki/9154-xynidis-kontos-aitisi-ergostasio-syntixi-defkalion-.html A translation sent to me by someone (maybe done by Google): No applications for plant in Xanthi With new negative letters answered, as expected, the question submitted by the MP [member of parliament? M. Y.] Xanthi New Republic to competentministers on the issue of environmental impacts from the possible establishment of Xanthi plant devices producing energy from fusion of hydrogen-nickel. After the replies of the Ministry of Finance to the Ministry of Environment and the Ministry of Development responded to Members of the Southwest there is filed an application for the company Defkalion for this investment and therefore can not assess the potential environmental burden . Indeed the response of the Ministry of Development, signed by the Deputy Minister Socrates Xynidis. In this report: In response to the above question tabled in the House by Congressman Alexander Short [That's a translation of Alexander Kontos -- M.Y.] , you know that it has submitted documentation to permit installation and operation of industrial plant of this type» Negative responses from Papakonstantinou - Sokos. Respondents who were released from Alexander Short [Kontos], included a cover of the Environment Minister George Papakonstantinou and a response by the Head of the Department of Industry that the YPEKA not submitted any application. Also by the Secretary of ADMTH letter sent by the Director of the relative address of Apoakentromensi Administration Lambrini Rizos. There is no known application for approval of building fusion power nickel-hydrogen has not been filed and that of the crop [??] should be ensured through the Environmental Impact Study filed in each case.
Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device
Am 03.09.2011 15:23, schrieb Horace Heffner: On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:24 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 03.09.2011 14:11, schrieb Horace Heffner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E This should be correct because the current IEC 60446 standard is neutral-blue, line-brown, and protective-earth-green/yellow. There appears to be some kind of short white adapter between the wall socket and the plug visible at time 41 seconds. Maybe that is just part of the plug? Look here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stecker-Typ_L These plugs are symmetrical and blue-brown has no meaning, these can be plugged in both orientations. There is an 10A type and a 16 A type. Best, Peter Wow, that is interesting. Thanks for posting that! The ground is the center conductor, so neutral and line can be easily interchanged. I dont suspect tricks with the power line. This is easily detected and Matts Levan already used his own instrument during the test. If the ground and neutral are shorted in the controller box then plugging in an L-type plug gives one a 50-50 chance of sparks and triggered circuit breaker. If they should happen to be shorted it in the blue box would likely be intentional. The above reference is for an L-type connector. I have appended a jpg showing the wall connections. The plug on the left appears to be an L-type. However, its cord runs up toward the ceiling. The cord on the plug on the right leads to Rossi's power meter connection. It is not clear to me that the receptacle on the right is an L-type. Its border is different. Perhaps it is vertically aligned? The white adapter might be to convert from a polarized 3 prong plug to an L-type. I have a 120 V to 220 V EU converter box (useable vice versa) which has a polarized receptacle for both voltages (differing configuration though), and no L-type receptacle. The gray plug appears it might be a polarized plug. I have no way to tell if the white thing is plugged into an L-type receptacle. Maybe you are familiar with this kind of wall mount box? I think this at the left side is a multinorm compatible Schuko. The right plug in Rossis outlet is type L. I dont know the purpose of the left cable. It is thin. Possibly it is for the coffee machine ;-) Look here, there are better images and english descriptions.: http://users.telenet.be/worldstandards/electricity.htm#plugs Schuko is type F. Im used to Schuko (type F). (Im in Germany) These are electrically compatible but not mechanically. Schuko is non-polarized and I am used to that. Rossis wall outlet seems to be a combined Schuko - Type L outlet. This makes sense, as they traditionally use Type L in Italy, but in new installations they use Schuko, and so they probably have combined wall outlets that support both standards. There has also been some confusion about the voltage. Sometimes they say 220V and sometimes 230V. This is easily explained: In earlier times some countries in europe used 220V and some used 240V. European union tries to harmonize the situation and so, some years ago we went here in germany from 220 to 230V. But 220 V devices are still in use and they work. 220V is the old standard and 230V is the new standard, and normally thes are compatible. I think, they have the same situation in Italy. Best, Peter
Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device
On Sep 3, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: [snip] Thanks for all the good information. There has also been some confusion about the voltage. Sometimes they say 220V and sometimes 230V. This is easily explained: In earlier times some countries in europe used 220V and some used 240V. European union tries to harmonize the situation and so, some years ago we went here in germany from 220 to 230V. But 220 V devices are still in use and they work. 220V is the old standard and 230V is the new standard, and normally thes are compatible. I think, they have the same situation in Italy. Best, Peter If the power actually is 230 V instead of 220 V then the power would be about 9% higher than estimated (not that important). If 240 V instead of 220 V, then power is off by 19%. I guess Mats Lewan's work would also not have this problem though. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote: Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is built over a pile of lies How long Rossi will last with this joke ? Assuming this is a scam, what do you suppose is AR's exit strategy? T
Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
Very hard to guess. My very very personal opinion is that he really believed in his discovery. At some time he realized he was wrong and now is trapped in a huge amount of claims. To sustain these clamis he's forced to add even more and more. This pile is gonna to collapse pretty soon. Maybe his hope is that internet people eventually will forget this story. The only thing that i know for sure is that I don't want be in his pants. 2011/9/3 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote: Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is built over a pile of lies How long Rossi will last with this joke ? Assuming this is a scam, what do you suppose is AR's exit strategy? T
[Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor
When is a PLC not a PLC? Horace, et al have mentioned the noise generated by the control box. Originally, we thought AR's mention of a PLC meant programmable logic controller which made no sense since (holy homonym, batman!) there was no feedback loop. Now that we find that Red really meant programmable lighting controller it all makes much more cents :) The noise characteristic of the PCM circuit verses a triac based circuit is much different: http://cnyack.homestead.com/files/afourse/fstriac.htm While we have all had a problem wrapping our heads around just why you need to maintain the heater input, it just could be that it's not the heat that the reactor needs. LENRs have oft' been stimulated by various external sources. Just what if we find that there is a phononic resonance in the crystalline structure of nickel which corresponds to the output of a gated 50 Hz mains wave. Wouldn't that be bizarre? T
Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote: Very hard to guess. My very very personal opinion is that he really believed in his discovery. At some time he realized he was wrong and now is trapped in a huge amount of claims. To sustain these clamis he's forced to add even more and more. This pile is gonna to collapse pretty soon. Maybe his hope is that internet people eventually will forget this story. The only thing that i know for sure is that I don't want be in his pants. Well, if you are right, we know what will be in his pants for the internet never forgets (or forgives). T
Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
It's anonymous that never forgets or forgives :). But the anonymous did not get bothered with this issue, so, people, or the internet, may forget...
RE: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
From Susan: Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is built over a pile of lies. How long Rossi will last with this joke ? In the midst of conflicting reports: People always see what they want to see. They subsequently promote what they want to believe to the rest of the world. Another scrap of less than stellar news is revealed and skeptics once again begin to proclaim that their original belief has once again been vindicated. Soon skeptics proclaim there was never anything to the original claims in the first place. - Case closed. I guess we can all go home now. It would seem as if skeptics believe they are the only rational individuals who hang out in the Vort Collective - or perhaps they are incensed as to why others can't see the light they perceive as shining so brightly. It seems to me that many skeptics perceive messages like this one as nothing more than further evidence that their position of damnation has once again been confirmed. However, as far as I can tell only thing that has really happened is that skeptics have found another scrap of news in which to hang their original belief system on. And on and on the rumor mill and subsequent damnation goes. Personally, I have no idea how legitimate Rossi claims are. Obviously I suspect there may actually be something to Rossi's eCat claims, though I could be wrong. My current suspicions are based primarily on the fact that other information that ought to be considered more reliable than mere circumstantial news rumor, such as scientific evidence reported on by Levi, would seem to suggest that there is something going on with Rossi's eCats. Based on the latest spate of news it seems more logical for me to tentatively speculate that Rossi's wunder eCats are probably not quite yet ready for Prime Time - in the engineering sense. This possibility has often been discussed within the Vort Collective, and it not all that unexpected. As such, the latest news concerning the Xanthi plant is predictable. I'm not sure what the fuss is all about. I'm perfectly content to wait a while longer. I feel no desire, urging me personally proclaim to the rest of the world that Rossi has once again been proven to be nothing more than a joke. I feel no desire to prove to the rest of the world he is legitimate either. I'm perfectly content to simply wait and watch. What's wrong with not having a personal opinion that must constantly be proclaimed to the rest of the world as the only correct opinion? Under these kinds of circumstances it's been my experience that the only person I end up trying to convince is myself, and few could care less about being convinced about my personal opinions. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor
A quick perusal of Jed's site shows no one seems to have tested Ni/H stimulation in the sub-megaHertz range. Indeed, I didn't see anything showing attempts at RF stimulation. Goodness knows that the wavelength of phonons can certainly exist in this range. Hey, ecat builder, you wouldn't happen to be a HAM, would you? Or, do you know one? Look around your neighborhood for some who has a Rohn 25 tower in their backyard with an antenna which surely isn't seeking DTV. T
RE: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor
Terry sez: A quick perusal of Jed's site shows no one seems to have tested Ni/H stimulation in the sub-megaHertz range. Indeed, I didn't see anything showing attempts at RF stimulation. Goodness knows that the wavelength of phonons can certainly exist in this range. Hey, ecat builder, you wouldn't happen to be a HAM, would you? Or, do you know one? Look around your neighborhood for some who has a Rohn 25 tower in their backyard with an antenna which surely isn't seeking Indeed, interesting idea. Certainly sounds worthy of further RA. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:OT: Rescuing a lost quark (our vacation report)
Terry sez: Hey, surely you took the ET Highway to Rachel and bought a T-Shirt! http://littlealeinn.com/ Unfortunately, we never made it to Rachel. While driving through Nevada we stuck to Interstate 80 and then headed North on U.S. hiway 93, at Wells. Beautiful drive. It was great having an Apple IPad which comes with Google Maps preinstalled. We knew x'ctly where we wuz all the time. While we didn't get an A'Le'inn T-shirt we did end up with a brand new kitty rescued near the government facilities of Atomic City, Idaho. All considered, I thought it was a good exchange. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor
On Sep 3, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: A quick perusal of Jed's site shows no one seems to have tested Ni/H stimulation in the sub-megaHertz range. Indeed, I didn't see anything showing attempts at RF stimulation. Goodness knows that the wavelength of phonons can certainly exist in this range. Hey, ecat builder, you wouldn't happen to be a HAM, would you? Or, do you know one? Look around your neighborhood for some who has a Rohn 25 tower in their backyard with an antenna which surely isn't seeking DTV. T As long as the Ni temperature is low enough (Curie temperature is 355° C) it could simply be magnetic near field stimulation doing the job. Ni is magnetostrictive. For some exciting information google (magnetostrictive transducers). For more than you ever wanted to know on designing controllers: http://www.ncsu.edu/crsc/reports/ftp/pdf/crsc-tr03-35.pdf Say, look at Terfenol-D: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terfenol-D Tb_x Dy_(1-x) Fe_2 (x~=0.3) Could it be that this could be a better catalyst if Ni is incorporated? Terfenol-D has a Curie Temp of 357°C: http://aml.seas.ucla.edu/research/areas/magnetostrictive/overview.htm Then there is Galfenol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galfenol The compounds NiTi and NiMnGa are magnetostrictive. NiTi sounds like a natural for being an LENR material. It would be interesting to determine the magnetostrictive properties and Curie temp. of nanoparticles consisting of an iron atom surrounded by nickel atoms. The Fe atom magnetizes the Ni atoms. There is a problem noted regarding running magnetostriction above 2 kHz, namely eddy currents. Building the nanoparticles in nanopores of insulating materials, such as zeolites, should take care of this problem. There are other potential values for this. I commented on possible use of nanopores earlier, and the possible useful relationship to my theory: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44662.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44676.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44683.html Just free associating a bit. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:OT: Rescuing a lost quark (our vacation report)
You can get a t-shirt online. How 'bout a Charm(ing) piccy? T
[Vo]:New June video interviews by Krivit
Hello group, Here are new video interviews by Steven Krivit made on June during his visit in Bologna: June 15, 2011 Video interview of Andrea Rossi Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II3NxxyxQ0I Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xe6YoZVupE Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiQelxMdVE Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaEV9h3OclA June 14, 2011 video interview of Daniele Passerini http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-qVUOMBxFY June 14, 2011 video interview of David Bianchini http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46EVV0di3Zw Originating URL: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/03/rossi-bianchini-and-passerini-videos-interview-published/ Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:New June video interviews by Krivit
The last 20 seconds of part 4 of the interview were amazing! :D
RE: [Vo]:New June video interviews by Krivit
From Daniel The last 20 seconds of part 4 of the interview were amazing! :D Yes, it would appear that Rossi changed his mind. ;-) Very mercurial of him. As previously speculated, it seems to me that putting a cynic (Krivit) and a showman (Rossi) in the same interview room is like trying to mix oil and water. Not necessarily conducive towards a homogenized outcome. My two cents. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
If I understand the translation, this means that Defkalion never requested permission to build a plant where it was thought they would. How does this reflect poorly upon Rossi? Sent from my iPhone. On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:56, Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote: Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is built over a pile of lies How long Rossi will last with this joke ? 2011/9/3 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com See: http://www.xanthipress.gr/eidiseis/politiki/9154-xynidis-kontos-aitisi-ergostasio-syntixi-defkalion-.html A translation sent to me by someone (maybe done by Google): No applications for plant in Xanthi With new negative letters answered, as expected, the question submitted by the MP [member of parliament? M. Y.] Xanthi New Republic to competentministers on the issue of environmental impacts from the possible establishment of Xanthi plant devices producing energy from fusion of hydrogen-nickel. After the replies of the Ministry of Finance to the Ministry of Environment and the Ministry of Development responded to Members of the Southwest there is filed an application for the company Defkalion for this investment and therefore can not assess the potential environmental burden . Indeed the response of the Ministry of Development, signed by the Deputy Minister Socrates Xynidis. In this report: In response to the above question tabled in the House by Congressman Alexander Short [That's a translation of Alexander Kontos -- M.Y.] , you know that it has submitted documentation to permit installation and operation of industrial plant of this type» Negative responses from Papakonstantinou - Sokos. Respondents who were released from Alexander Short [Kontos], included a cover of the Environment Minister George Papakonstantinou and a response by the Head of the Department of Industry that the YPEKA not submitted any application. Also by the Secretary of ADMTH letter sent by the Director of the relative address of Apoakentromensi Administration Lambrini Rizos. There is no known application for approval of building fusion power nickel-hydrogen has not been filed and that of the crop [??] should be ensured through the Environmental Impact Study filed in each case.
Re: [Vo]:New June video interviews by Krivit
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: The last 20 seconds of part 4 of the interview were amazing! :D Yes, it would appear that Rossi changed his mind. ;-) Very mercurial of him. In the last 20 seconds he says Krivit did a very good job. I agree that he did, in the interviews. I wish he had gathered more information during the demonstration, especially the method of measuring the flow rate. Rossi was upset by Krivit's conclusions from these interviews, and his long report. So was I. I thought in particular he distorted Levi's statements about the purpose of the 18-hour test, and the reasons Levi does not plan to publish the results. As I said some weeks ago, this resembles Mizuno's large heat after death event, described in his book, and summarized here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTnucleartra.pdf This event was irrefutable proof of a massive, self-sustaining nuclear reaction. Mizuno has never had any doubt whatever about that. Unless Mizuno is liar or a lunatic, I have no doubt about it either. This event was far more convincing than, for example, all of the experiments done by McKubre combined. Unfortunately, the instrumentation was not very good for reasons beyond Mizuno's control, and there is no chance any journal would publish anything about this. The only recorded evidence remaining from this is the pen recorder trace leading up the heat burst, before the cell was disconnected and submerged in the bucket of water. That's not good enough for a formal scientific presentation. Mizuno has never tried to publish these results or describe them in a conference. He discusses them with anyone who asks, and he included them in his book. He first discussed them with a reporter from Bungei Shunju, a top-notch, conservative establishment magazine, which is where I learned about them. He is not hiding them. Levi's data isn't good enough for a peer-reviewed paper, and he is not interested in publishing anything less formal than that. It is fine for NyTeknik, just as Mizuno's report was well suited for Bungi Shunju, or in the U.S., someplace like Wired Magazine. I understand Levi's point of view. I don't agree with him completely, but I get it. It is absurd for Krivit to suggest there is something unethical or unusual about discussing the data with reporters even though it is not suitable for a formal paper. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:New June video interviews by Krivit
Jed sez: ... I understand Levi's point of view. I don't agree with him completely, but I get it. It is absurd for Krivit to suggest there is something unethical or unusual about discussing the data with reporters even though it is not suitable for a formal paper. ...unless one tends to be a cynic. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor
I commented on possible use of nanopores earlier, and the possible useful relationship to my theory: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44662.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44676.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44683.html I should have included the correction posted below too: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44845.html Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
RE: [Vo]:OT: Rescuing a lost quark (our vacation report)
Terry sez: How 'bout a Charm(ing) piccy? As you wish. If this doesn't go thru I'll compress it some more. It's currently 35 kb. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks attachment: CharmCropped1.jpg
Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor
I'm not sanguine on any of the theories pppularized so far like Widom-Larsen, Rossi's theories, Piantelli's, BEC, etc. They've all been discredited. Ultracold neutrons simply don't work. The effective mass explanation does not wash. Other of W-L papers are simply not believeable. If you read the coverage of Wendt Irion you should see what I mean. Debye-Huckel shielding and other shielding theories are a laugh as well. In short what these theories seem to require is some way of eliminating or lowering the Coulomb barrier. - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor I commented on possible use of nanopores earlier, and the possible useful relationship to my theory: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44662.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44676.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44683.html I should have included the correction posted below too: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44845.html Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:OT: Rescuing a lost quark (our vacation report)
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 7:27 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Terry sez: How 'bout a Charm(ing) piccy? As you wish. If this doesn't go thru I'll compress it some more. It's currently 35 kb. Oh, that is so cool. Can you attach the full size image as a file? Or just direct email it to me? Cats are the best aliens on earth. T
Re: [Vo]:New June video interviews by Krivit
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Krivit often see evidence of foul play or a conspiracy where there is nothing to be concerned about, or no issue at all, such as the time he misunderstood scientific notation. Those isotope analyses cost someone a pretty penny. Sure makes the scam idea less viable. T
Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor
On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Joe Catania wrote: I'm not sanguine on any of the theories pppularized so far like Widom-Larsen, Rossi's theories, Piantelli's, BEC, etc. They've all been discredited. Ultracold neutrons simply don't work. The effective mass explanation does not wash. Other of W-L papers are simply not believeable. If you read the coverage of Wendt Irion you should see what I mean. Debye-Huckel shielding and other shielding theories are a laugh as well. In short what these theories seem to require is some way of eliminating or lowering the Coulomb barrier. You are preaching to the choir here, especially with regard to Windom- Larsen theory: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg38261.html Hagelstein and Chaudhary provided a good critique of WL. However, I don't see how the above relates to the URLS below, or other material in this thread. - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor I commented on possible use of nanopores earlier, and the possible useful relationship to my theory: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44662.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44676.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44683.html I should have included the correction posted below too: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44845.html Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
RE: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
Didn’t they change the location to Cypress? Or was that just rumor? I tend to gloss over the non-technical details. -mark From: Charles Hope [mailto:lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 1:42 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing If I understand the translation, this means that Defkalion never requested permission to build a plant where it was thought they would. How does this reflect poorly upon Rossi?
Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Didn’t they change the location to Cypress? Or was that just rumor? I tend to gloss over the non-technical details. Defkalion Green Technologies is actually a Cypress based company . . . not Greek. T
RE: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
Another possible reason for this 'news' about Defkalion is the following: The people behind Defkalion never had the money (personally) to do all they claimed they would do when they signed the agreement with Rossi, however, they felt they could easily get enough investors interested, so they set up the company and website and started to get all the ducks lined up. Well, after the January public demo and then a few more, (potential) investors weren't feeling all warm and fuzzy about it, and Defkalion is left with nowhere near the money they thought they could raise (or were promised). I'm sure that the cost to have the Greek regulatory agencies test and license the E-Cat is a decent chunk of change and its certainly possible that Defkalion just doesn't have the money yet. who knows? And Defkalion isn't about to volunteer that kind of 'bad' news. Susan: Just calm down, and watch and wait like the rest of us. whatever happens, is going to happen regardless of what any of us thinks. -Mark 2011/9/3 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote: Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is built over a pile of lies How long Rossi will last with this joke ? Assuming this is a scam, what do you suppose is AR's exit strategy? T
RE: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
Thanks T! So, has anyone checked to see if Defkalion has filed an application with the appropriate agency on Cypress??? Probably not... at least not yet! Susan, This is a perfectly clear example of why it's just too soon to be making any kind of decision, one way or the other, about the E-Cat. As has been pointed out several times here, there is PLENTY of evidence that SOMETHING unusual is happening in metal lattices containing high levels of hydrogen. All the complexity on the science side, combined with human behavior and the machinations on the business side, make for a complex and very dynamic situation.. keeping all this straight in one's own head is next to impossible, unless you have 'perfect recall' or are a prodigious savant. That's where the power of the collective knowledge (of this discussion group) makes up for the limited recall of a lone individual... so just add your recall to the collective, and we'll hang around until this E-Cat thing happens, or not. -Mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 8:58 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Didnt they change the location to Cypress? Or was that just rumor? I tend to gloss over the non-technical details. Defkalion Green Technologies is actually a Cypress based company . . . not Greek. T
RE: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor
Joe Catania [mailto:zrosumg...@aol.com] wrote: I'm not sanguine on any of the theories popularized so far like Widom-Larsen, Rossi's theories, Piantelli's, BEC, etc. They've all been discredited. 'Discredited' how??? Please don't say, Because they contradict current theories... Are there any hypotheses that you are sanguine about??? Do you have your own hypothesis??? Don't be shy... -Mark
