Re: [Vo]:a new interview with Defkalion
Le Aug 31, 2012 à 6:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com a écrit : The noble gas reaction that underpins the Papp engine is the most likely reaction that works and the most promising. It must receive priority in future LENR RD funding. Axil, your satire and flame baiting are funny. People aren't picking up on the humor. Eric
Re: [Vo]:a new interview with Defkalion
Dear Eric, Satire and flame baiting is one of the most difficult ambitions for a writer to achieve. The reader almost always assumes that you are serious. It is always wise the say what you mean and mean what you say. But sometimes the opposite happens. When a serious posit is taken as satire, When I read this sentence as you might read it: *It's important to not permit the SCAMS of yesterday to effect the LENR systems of tomorrow.* I could not stop laughing…ROTFL. The field of cold fusion and free energy systems has been a free for all filled with some wild and crazy guys. When you look at this unusual state of affairs with a well-honed sense of humor as you oftentimes do, I can see how lots of humor can spring forth. Cheers: Axil On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 2:00 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Le Aug 31, 2012 à 6:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com a écrit : The noble gas reaction that underpins the Papp engine is the most likely reaction that works and the most promising. It must receive priority in future LENR RD funding. Axil, your satire and flame baiting are funny. People aren't picking up on the humor. Eric
[Vo]:I admire DGT (was:I admire Mr. Andrea Rossi)
I admire DGT as much as Peter admires Mr. Andrea Rossi. Why, what is there not to admire about Xanthoulis and DGT. Why, I admire how Xanthoulis clandestinely and illegally obtained Rossi's Catalyst, yet they did not use it. Why, I admire how Xanthoulis and DGT resisted the urge to use Rossi's IP and developed their own technology. Why, I admire how DGT moved from Greece because of economic turmoil in that country and yet decided to invest in a huge factory there. Why, I admire how DGT, despite their promise, decided not to release test data because of their respect for the wishes of their 3rd party testers. Why, I admire how DGT came up with excellent Industrial prototypes that they documented in their PDF document release. Of course, they made public more information about their existing industrial prototype than anyone else in this field. Why, I admire how the DGT team gathered all existing theory of LENR and put it all together in an excellent and unique combination to come up with a theory that explains the phenomena. Why, I admire how DGT can help someone by using them to spread their information. Why, I admire how DGT seems to be composed of quite honest and honorable men who take their promises seriously and not lie at all. Why the list goes on. I sure admire DGT so much that I would like to work for them someday, that is of course if I am qualified enough for their great standards of excellence, teamwork and dedication. Why, they documented their great teamwork in a scientific paper, so it must be true. Jojo
Re: [Vo]:I admire DGT (was:I admire Mr. Andrea Rossi)
Dear Jojo, Obviously you would be a good poet, even if this is prose. Have you read Ithaka by Cavafis cited in the Interview? It is an other Peter who admires Rossi, my feelings toward him are very complex. However his role in the history of the field is undeniable important. (see the last sentence in the interview) Try to get the essence, the very spirit of DGTG's process and apply it to your own LENR-2. Peter On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** I admire DGT as much as Peter admires Mr. Andrea Rossi. Why, what is there not to admire about Xanthoulis and DGT. Why, I admire how Xanthoulis clandestinely and illegally obtained Rossi's Catalyst, yet they did not use it. Why, I admire how Xanthoulis and DGT resisted the urge to use Rossi's IP and developed their own technology. Why, I admire how DGT moved from Greece because of economic turmoil in that country and yet decided to invest in a huge factory there. Why, I admire how DGT, despite their promise, decided not to release test data because of their respect for the wishes of their 3rd party testers. Why, I admire how DGT came up with excellent Industrial prototypes that they documented in their PDF document release. Of course, they made public more information about their existing industrial prototype than anyone else in this field. Why, I admire how the DGT team gathered all existing theory of LENR and put it all together in an excellent and unique combination to come up with a theory that explains the phenomena. Why, I admire how DGT can help someone by using them to spread their information. Why, I admire how DGT seems to be composed of quite honest and honorable men who take their promises seriously and not lie at all. Why the list goes on. I sure admire DGT so much that I would like to work for them someday, that is of course if I am qualified enough for their great standards of excellence, teamwork and dedication. Why, they documented their great teamwork in a scientific paper, so it must be true. Jojo -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Another View-Understanding of eCat working
There are never enough planck seconds in a day. harry On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: OOps! Rounding error. Planck time =5.4x10^-44s. T
Re: [Vo]:a new interview with Defkalion
We don't know what it is. When we do, maybe resonant fusion? proton absorption? BEC fusion Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: It's a question with many nuances. I generally agree with Jed about the realities and the regulatory issues. Yet at the same time, we have an example: the terminology change from NMR to MRI. It was significant from perspective of consumer acceptance, and therefore it was economically significant. If we believe LENR will be incorporated in consumer products, then words probably do matter. Jeff On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 7:28 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I tend to agree with Axil, i think the nanopowder is a distraction if you want to generate power. Powder may be mainly good for transmutations and maybe heat transfer. I think both a Papp type engine and possibly the Terrawatt Research magnetic drive are an impulse/shock type drive with charge, compression and magnetic alignment all repeated at high frequencies. The Papp motor runs at about 47 Hz and the Terrawatt unit shows data up to 20 Hz with a steep power curve from there. The Papp unit uses noble gasses and the terrawatt magnetic oscillator just has an air gap between rotating magnetics. There must be an issue though (besides fraud which i do not believe). Since the UL data for TWR was from 2008 it should not take that long for the Terrawatt drive to make it to market. The think issue is either safety or reliability or both. This may be that the system will generate an UNGODLY amount of power at 100 or 150 Hz destroying itself and those around it. I also wonder what type of EMR spectrum of emissions is generated during operation and whether that is healthy. Papp at some point seemed to give up either after the explosion and somebody was killed or after he became ill with cancer. Patterson also seemed to give up on launching a product after his grandson died that was helping him. This all seems very strange to me. All of these systems seemed to have the potential to transform the world and yet their development appears delayed or halted. Maybe I am making too much of it. Jed might know some of the history better. Stewart On Friday, August 31, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: We think we know what is going on. Do we? One must remain open. I agree, being open minded is important. It's important to not permit the SCAMS of yesterday to effect the LENR systems of tomorrow. The noble gas reaction that underpins the Papp engine is the most likely reaction that works and the most promising. It must receive priority in future LENR RD funding. Cheers: Axil On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: blush Don't forget the crater in the floor in Salt Lake City and the explosion in Tadahiko Mizuno's experiment. Key on explosion in the LENR-CANR.org search window. We think we know what is going on. Do we? One must remain open. T
Re: [Vo]:a new interview with Defkalion
Apple is probably secretly working on 'ifusion'. Harry On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: We don't know what it is. When we do, maybe resonant fusion? proton absorption? BEC fusion Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: It's a question with many nuances. I generally agree with Jed about the realities and the regulatory issues. Yet at the same time, we have an example: the terminology change from NMR to MRI. It was significant from perspective of consumer acceptance, and therefore it was economically significant. If we believe LENR will be incorporated in consumer products, then words probably do matter. Jeff On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 7:28 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I tend to agree with Axil, i think the nanopowder is a distraction if you want to generate power. Powder may be mainly good for transmutations and maybe heat transfer. I think both a Papp type engine and possibly the Terrawatt Research magnetic drive are an impulse/shock type drive with charge, compression and magnetic alignment all repeated at high frequencies. The Papp motor runs at about 47 Hz and the Terrawatt unit shows data up to 20 Hz with a steep power curve from there. The Papp unit uses noble gasses and the terrawatt magnetic oscillator just has an air gap between rotating magnetics. There must be an issue though (besides fraud which i do not believe). Since the UL data for TWR was from 2008 it should not take that long for the Terrawatt drive to make it to market. The think issue is either safety or reliability or both. This may be that the system will generate an UNGODLY amount of power at 100 or 150 Hz destroying itself and those around it. I also wonder what type of EMR spectrum of emissions is generated during operation and whether that is healthy. Papp at some point seemed to give up either after the explosion and somebody was killed or after he became ill with cancer. Patterson also seemed to give up on launching a product after his grandson died that was helping him. This all seems very strange to me. All of these systems seemed to have the potential to transform the world and yet their development appears delayed or halted. Maybe I am making too much of it. Jed might know some of the history better. Stewart On Friday, August 31, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: We think we know what is going on. Do we? One must remain open. I agree, being open minded is important. It's important to not permit the SCAMS of yesterday to effect the LENR systems of tomorrow. The noble gas reaction that underpins the Papp engine is the most likely reaction that works and the most promising. It must receive priority in future LENR RD funding. Cheers: Axil On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: blush Don't forget the crater in the floor in Salt Lake City and the explosion in Tadahiko Mizuno's experiment. Key on explosion in the LENR-CANR.org search window. We think we know what is going on. Do we? One must remain open. T
Re: [Vo]:Interview with Michael McKubre
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt that an economic or structural panacea exists. Of course not. However, to throw your hands up and say that no economic or structural modifications are worth while is a bit too defeatist for my taste. Not true. I favor incremental changes. A little tweaking rather than a radical solution. I am a conservative when it comes to laws and governance. Radical change is fine in technology. - Jed Radical technology can bring about radical social change as lamented by the Luddites. Harry
Re: [Vo]:a new interview with Defkalion
Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: Yet at the same time, we have an example: the terminology change from NMR to MRI. It was significant from perspective of consumer acceptance, and therefore it was economically significant. If we believe LENR will be incorporated in consumer products, then words probably do matter. I agree! That is a different story. That has no bearing on how the thing will be regulated. Actually, I predict that cold fusion will be so pervasive there will eventually be extensive laws and new regulatory agencies to deal with it. It will resemble the Internet in that respect. In 1985 there were no Internet regulations or laws. Now there are thousands, covering things like spamming, file sharing, free speech and so on. There are laws nowadays which would have been meaningless in 1980. The very words they are written in did not exist. I mean words such as ISP, spam or net neutrality. Many older agencies will wither away, and older laws will become a dead letter. Laws mandating fuel efficiency and reducing pollution will remain on the books, but no one will bother about them. The DoE may shrink to a small agency mainly concerned with mothballing nuclear power reactors. It is myth that government never grows smaller, or abandons obsolete functions. There are probably still laws on the books governing the use of horses in city traffic. But I doubt there are any full-time government employees enforcing such laws, except maybe in New York City where there are still many horse-drawn carriages for the tourist trade. It makes you wonder . . . There are seldom clear transitions in history, or even in technology. The very last Western Union telegraph was delivered not long ago. In 2006! Probably around 1920 the last barrel of whale oil was sold. Sometime in the 1930s, the last square-rigged freighter departed the port of New York. The LORAN navigation system was shut down in 2010. I wonder if laws governing telegraph delivery, whale oil, and navigation by sail are still on the books? - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... Domestic certification problem?
Again, I call upon you who _do_ know what the reaction is to put forth the experiment that will demonstrate it is what they say it is and thereby discount the others who know what the reaction is. You know -- multiple competing hypotheses -- strong inference and all that. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:01 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: It is if you don't know what the reaction is! On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: A cold fusion nuclear reactor that that puts out as much energy and density as a common nuclear reactor cannot possibly be dangerous. 2012/8/31 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com More tea-leaf reading : problems with the domestic certification ? Andrea Rossi August 31st, 2012 at 9:34 AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=695cpage=6#comment-311191 Dear Koen Vandewalle: We have all the resources necessary for a development of our technology, based on our businessplant. I do not think we will have delays as for the industrial apparatuses. For the domestic ones, certification will be possible, I think, after the industrialplants will have produced enough statistics. Warm Regards, A.R. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:a new interview with Defkalion
Jeff Berkowitz wrote: Yet at the same time, we have an example: the terminology change from NMR to MRI. It was significant from perspective of consumer acceptance, and therefore it was economically significant. If we believe LENR will be incorporated in consumer products, then words probably do matter. The oddest coincidence about this particular terminology observation in the context of nickel, is that if some version of nano-magnetism is found to be at the basis of the Ni-H thermal anomaly, it will surely be very closely related to NMR. Going further, it is probably no accident that the other metal recently associated with thermal gain with confined hydrogen, (when in the nano-geometry) is cobalt, which is ferromagnetic. The reason that iron, the third and of the 3 ferromagnetic metals, does not readily catalyzed thermal gain in nano-confinement, is probably related to the relative ease of hydrogen embrittlement in iron. Once again, this alignment of facts with nickel and cobalt and nano-magnetism - points to a bosonic process and to cavity QED. Could it be that the Casimir cavity functions mainly to increase the lifetime (and increase the rate) of diproton (2He) stability like it does with tritium (Reifenschweiler effect)? BTW - the diproton is bosonic, but normally the lifetime is extremely short. That kind of confinement stability would satisfy almost all of the objections associated with the suggestion that what we see in Ni-H is basically the first step in the solar reaction - where P+P - 2He, but instead of beta decay to deuterium (which is far too rare) or elastic scattering, we find instead that the gain in the decay dynamics relates to charge (Coulomb) repulsion. Interesting astrophysics paper on diproton stability, and the implications for the 'big picture'. http://www.ias.ac.in/jaa/jun2009/JAA0008.pdf BTW - In elastic scattering, the kinetic energy of the protons is conserved. In inelastic scattering, which is the way a 2He process would appear to the outside observer, some of the energy of the incident particle can be lost or gained or transferred. Coulomb repulsion can supply the gain in a proximate sense, but in an ultimate accounting - atomic mass would need to be converted to energy. attachment: winmail.dat
[Vo]:Bob Park notes Fleischmann's death.
http://bobpark.physics.umd.edu/previous_issue.html 3. MARTIN FLEISCHMANN: DIED AUGUST 3, 2012 AT AGE 85. This is what I wrote in Whats New, 24 March 1989, the day after Cold Fusion was announced. The remarable report from the University of Utah that researchers had achieved deuterium fusion in an electrolysis cell was initially provided only to the Financial Times of London and the Wall Street Journal. From what little is known, the claim seems to be that deuterium ions from heavy water diffuse into the lattice of a palladium cathode at sufficient concentration to fuse. Palladium is well known for its ability to take up large quantities of hydrogen. Indeed, solid-state storage of deuterium in metals such as titanium and scandium is standard practice in nuclear weapons, where dihydrides and even trihydrides do not result in fusion. Whatever the technical merits of the Utah claim, however, serious questions of scientific accountability will certainly be raised. The press statement is devoid of any details that might enable other scientists to judge the strength of the evidence. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Bob Park notes Fleischmann's death.
MF did not live to see it; but, I certainly hope RP does. T
Re: [Vo]:Interview with Michael McKubre
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt that an economic or structural panacea exists. Of course not. However, to throw your hands up and say that no economic or structural modifications are worth while is a bit too defeatist for my taste. Not true. I favor incremental changes. A little tweaking rather than a radical solution. I am a conservative when it comes to laws and governance. Radical change is fine in technology. I most certainly go along with your rule of thumb, but it must be tempered by rationality. For instance, the pathologies of discontinuity must be compared to the pathologies of the status quo and, in some cases, action urgently taken. It is in such rational decisions that reasonable men frequently differ as, most probably, do you and I in the present instance. If I perceive carnage on a massive scale due to the status quo, whereas you do not, you're perception of me will be that I am pathologically hallucinating and therefore a danger to myself and others whereas I will perceive you as pathologically blind and standing in the way of remediation of catastrophic consequences. Rather than each attempting to have the other subjected to therapy or each attempting impose their preferred human ecology on the other, it is only humane, in the larger scheme of things, to make provision for separation of experimental groups with containment of consequences to those consenting to those consequences. Its a simple matter of ethics.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... Domestic certification problem?
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Again, I call upon you who _do_ know what the reaction is to put forth the experiment that will demonstrate it is what they say it is and thereby discount the others who know what the reaction is. Amen. - Jed
[Vo]:Heresy warning: variable isotope decay. Also noted, the ether is(?) involved...
An excerpt from Giza Dearth Star, link below: [seen]..in two separate experiments in two different labs. It isn't just solar flares that seem to induce changes in radioactive decay rate. Changes in solar rotation and activity,/and the Earth's position on its orbital path around the Sun also appear to have an effect/, and it's the latter variable which seems to have been decisive in the research. Between July 2005 and June 2011, continued monitoring has apparently shown consistent annual variation in the decay rate of chlorine 36, peaking in January and February, and ebbing in July and August.(Emphasis added) Read more:NEW DETECTION METHOD FOR SOLAR FLARES: VARIATIONS IN RADIATION EMISSION http://gizadeathstar.com/2012/08/new-detection-method-for-solar-flares-variations-in-radiation-emission/#ixzz25FHEeuxf - Giza Death Star Community This really rang my chimes, as I had read -a month or two ago?- that the existence of the ether has some good evidence for it, and that measurements showed that the solar system is moving through this ether at IIRC 4,000 km/hr, towards (some point). If these two hideous heresies should turn out to agree the whole edifice of modern physics may crumble. I wish I could provide a link to the ether article, it was a peach, giving (?) ten anomalous stick-in-your-eye findings that physics won't look at. Ol' Bab, who was an engineer
[Vo]:Ni-H is hotter than solar, in the context of time
Speaking of fusion: hot, cold, warm, or whatever - there is a misperception. It is worth noting that 99+% of all of the known nuclear reactions throughout the Universe, which occur continuously in stars, are short-lived reactions with no net gain: P+P - 2He - P+P That is the unequivocal implication of the standard model. On extremely rare occasions, there will be a beta decay of the newly-fused helium isotope before it decays back to protons... and on even rarer occasions, the deuterium formed from beta decay will fuse with another proton, to stable helium ... and then ... after billions of years of almost no-net-gain per reaction (percentage-wise) there will be a final nova/supernova event - with its massive gain in a short time frame - but even this event does not change the overall percentage of zero-gain nuclear reactions very much, at least not enough to be significant to 10 decimal places - when considered in the context of time. Thus we can opine that Ni-H on earth is not all that cold ... especially in the context of its comparatively short parameter for net energy release, compared to the solar model ... attachment: winmail.dat
[Vo]:New Energy Times
There is an interesting update on Krivit's site - about the site itself, not about LENR. Jeff
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times
Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: There is an interesting update on Krivit's site - about the site itself, not about LENR. Don't be shy! Tell us what it says. Here: http://newenergytimes.com/ QUOTE: Major Site Re-Design and New Subscription Service Launch Sept. 1, 2012 Dear Readers, I am pleased to announce that, on Sept. 15, we will launch a major re-design of the New Energy Times Web site and News Service. We will also start our new subscription service then. Where We've Been I started New Energy Times 12 years ago after I learned, to my great surprise, that researchers were still pursuing the mysteries of low-energy nuclear reactions. . . . Because New Energy Times is a primary journalistic resource on LENRs, our expertise has been sought by and provided to the American Nuclear Society, American Chemical Society, Royal Society of Chemistry, Wiley and Sons (publisher of the Nuclear Energy Encyclopedia), . . . Where We're Going Over the years, we have attracted the generous support of philanthropists who recognized our work and helped us in our early development. We are switching to a subscriber-based service and will continue to provide cutting-edge, in-depth reporting to our readers. We will continue our mission to investigate, analyze, educate, and report on the progress of new, sustainable, and environmentally friendly energy sources and research, primarily LENRs. After Sept. 15, most of our feature articles and exclusive news content will be available to subscribers only. You will be able to read the first paragraph or two of all articles, but then the articles for subscribers will display a lock icon and a login prompt. Once you log in, the full article will become visible. . . . END QUOTE Summary: He is going to subscription mode. I think it may be a little early for that. I doubt that people will pay for information on cold fusion. At this point we still have to beg people to read it. I have not seen an upsurge in traffic at LENR-CANR.org that indicates people are now more interested than they were a year ago. I could be wrong, but my guess is that you will not find more than ~100 people willing to pay for information. The thing is, most people interested in the field get all the information they want, from LENR-CANR.org, iscmns.org and the various newsletters about Rossi, which seem to be multiplying like rabbits. As they say, on the Internet, information wants to be free. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Heresy warning: variable isotope decay. Also noted, the ether is(?) involved...
I suggest shielding the radioactive source from electromagnetic fields (using a tempest cage), then see if the rates still change or remain the constant. Cheers: Axil On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM, David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.comwrote: An excerpt from Giza Dearth Star, link below: [seen]..in two separate experiments in two different labs. “It isn’t just solar flares that seem to induce changes in radioactive decay rate. Changes in solar rotation and activity, *and the Earth’s position on its orbital path around the Sun also appear to have an effect*, and it’s the latter variable which seems to have been decisive in the research. Between July 2005 and June 2011, continued monitoring has apparently shown consistent annual variation in the decay rate of chlorine 36, peaking in January and February, and ebbing in July and August.”(Emphasis added) Read more: NEW DETECTION METHOD FOR SOLAR FLARES: VARIATIONS IN RADIATION EMISSIONhttp://gizadeathstar.com/2012/08/new-detection-method-for-solar-flares-variations-in-radiation-emission/#ixzz25FHEeuxf - Giza Death Star Community This really rang my chimes, as I had read -a month or two ago?- that the existence of the ether has some good evidence for it, and that measurements showed that the solar system is moving through this ether at IIRC 4,000 km/hr, towards (some point). If these two hideous heresies should turn out to agree the whole edifice of modern physics may crumble. I wish I could provide a link to the ether article, it was a peach, giving (?) ten anomalous stick-in-your-eye findings that physics won't look at. Ol' Bab, who was an engineer
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times
On 2012-09-01 23:58, Jed Rothwell wrote: Summary: He is going to subscription mode. I think it may be a little early for that. I doubt that people will pay for information on cold fusion. At this point we still have to beg people to read it. I have not seen an upsurge in traffic at LENR-CANR.org that indicates people are now more interested than they were a year ago. There has been a significant rise in general (non-technical) interest about LENR however, at least according to Google: http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=lenrcmpt=q http://www.google.com/trends/?q=lenr Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times
note that e-catworld.com too, created a spinoff commercial site, a social network around business LENR note that is is flourishing on linked-in, viadeo... getting serious, despite our stockholm syndrom doubts 2012/9/1 Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com There is an interesting update on Krivit's site - about the site itself, not about LENR. Jeff
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: There has been a significant rise in general (non-technical) interest about LENR however, at least according to Google: http://www.google.com/**insights/search/#q=lenrcmpt=qhttp://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=lenrcmpt=q http://www.google.com/trends/?**q=lenrhttp://www.google.com/trends/?q=lenr Well, Google would know! They know all. That's good news. Still, I kinda doubt many people will pay for Krivit's wisdom. More power to him if they will. Speaking of knowing all, someone told me that several retail companies such as Target now know so much about their customers they can sometimes tell that women are pregnant even before the women themselves know. Their computers know this by tracking purchasing patterns. I have not found an article describing this exactly, but here is something: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/ - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times
In my view, the point is whether Mr. Krivit can convince potential customers that only his website contains important timely information that could not be obtained from non-subscription websites. If that were not the case why would anyone want to pay a subscription fee for information already available for free. The question that needs to be answered is whether Mr. Krivit has the ability to deliver on such a promise. In my view the problem that Mr. Krivit may have to contend with is that, due to past interactions, certain researchers may not feel particularly interested (or enamored) with the notion of opening up and giving him an exclusive scoop. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:New Energy Times
Actually, regardless of how it works out for Steve, this is a good sign, showing maturation of the field. In fact it is a very good sign. I can foresee several hundred corporations, labs, universities, overseas parties, other journalists, governments, military and so forth signing up. They will pay this service gladly, so long as he can provide it without the deep crap of the others. It is not a cake-walk into town to misquote Taj but if he adds the staff, he can pull it off. IOW - this would be a convenience worth paying for, if Steve can cut through the clutter and BS of the normal PR release, 99% of Rossi's BS, etc. and provide only relevant info to serious parties with good journalism and real interviews. In fact, one thousand subscribers is my estimate. Krivit, like it or not - has the most credibility in the field, since Sterling is deemed as way too gullible, and the others have been mostly me too with a few exceptions ... even if SK's standards are not sufficient for us, here on vortex. I just hope that individuals who cannot afford the service can get fairly rapid access to the same information - which of course they can, if they can wait a day or two. It's all about perceived value, including time. Jones -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa Jed Rothwell wrote: Summary: He is going to subscription mode. I think it may be a little early for that. I doubt that people will pay for information on cold fusion. At this point we still have to beg people to read it. I have not seen an upsurge in traffic at LENR-CANR.org that indicates people are now more interested than they were a year ago. There has been a significant rise in general (non-technical) interest about LENR however, at least according to Google: http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=lenrcmpt=q http://www.google.com/trends/?q=lenr Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times
Sorry, didn't know if copying it was the right thing to do, didn't want to paraphrase and get it wrong. He also says: *Reference and Archival Information Will Remain Free *All of our reference information and archives (5,000 documents, images, recordings and news stories) will remain free and accessible to the public. All news stories published before Sept. 15 will also remain free. Jeff On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: There is an interesting update on Krivit's site - about the site itself, not about LENR. Don't be shy! Tell us what it says. Here: http://newenergytimes.com/ QUOTE: Major Site Re-Design and New Subscription Service Launch Sept. 1, 2012 Dear Readers, I am pleased to announce that, on Sept. 15, we will launch a major re-design of the New Energy Times Web site and News Service. We will also start our new subscription service then. Where We've Been I started New Energy Times 12 years ago after I learned, to my great surprise, that researchers were still pursuing the mysteries of low-energy nuclear reactions. . . . Because New Energy Times is a primary journalistic resource on LENRs, our expertise has been sought by and provided to the American Nuclear Society, American Chemical Society, Royal Society of Chemistry, Wiley and Sons (publisher of the Nuclear Energy Encyclopedia), . . . Where We're Going Over the years, we have attracted the generous support of philanthropists who recognized our work and helped us in our early development. We are switching to a subscriber-based service and will continue to provide cutting-edge, in-depth reporting to our readers. We will continue our mission to investigate, analyze, educate, and report on the progress of new, sustainable, and environmentally friendly energy sources and research, primarily LENRs. After Sept. 15, most of our feature articles and exclusive news content will be available to subscribers only. You will be able to read the first paragraph or two of all articles, but then the articles for subscribers will display a lock icon and a login prompt. Once you log in, the full article will become visible. . . . END QUOTE Summary: He is going to subscription mode. I think it may be a little early for that. I doubt that people will pay for information on cold fusion. At this point we still have to beg people to read it. I have not seen an upsurge in traffic at LENR-CANR.org that indicates people are now more interested than they were a year ago. I could be wrong, but my guess is that you will not find more than ~100 people willing to pay for information. The thing is, most people interested in the field get all the information they want, from LENR-CANR.org, iscmns.org and the various newsletters about Rossi, which seem to be multiplying like rabbits. As they say, on the Internet, information wants to be free. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: I can foresee several hundred corporations, labs, universities, overseas parties, other journalists, governments, military and so forth signing up. Honestly, I can't. He does not seem all that credible to me. I do not have it in for him, as some people do. He does good work. I linked up to him extensively in a recent paper I wrote about CalTech. More to the point, if the field really does begin to take off -- as you suspect -- people will find this kind of information in Wired, New Scientist or the New York Times. They won't need Krivit. They won't need me, either. That would be fine. It is not a cake-walk into town to misquote Taj Misquote? Sound right to me. Hmmm? IOW - this would be a convenience worth paying for, if Steve can cut through the clutter and BS of the normal PR release, 99% of Rossi's BS, etc. . . . He has not shown a noteworthy ability to do that, in my opinion. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Heresy warning: variable isotope decay. Also noted, the ether is(?) involved...
I keep wondering who else might have accumulated data that could be analyzed. I.e. who might have collected data from a long-lived source under consistent conditions over a long enough period of time. Maybe monitoring equipment from cold war era waste sites. Jeff On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest shielding the radioactive source from electromagnetic fields (using a tempest cage), then see if the rates still change or remain the constant. Cheers: Axil On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM, David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.comwrote: An excerpt from Giza Dearth Star, link below: [seen]..in two separate experiments in two different labs. “It isn’t just solar flares that seem to induce changes in radioactive decay rate. Changes in solar rotation and activity, *and the Earth’s position on its orbital path around the Sun also appear to have an effect *, and it’s the latter variable which seems to have been decisive in the research. Between July 2005 and June 2011, continued monitoring has apparently shown consistent annual variation in the decay rate of chlorine 36, peaking in January and February, and ebbing in July and August.”(Emphasis added) Read more: NEW DETECTION METHOD FOR SOLAR FLARES: VARIATIONS IN RADIATION EMISSIONhttp://gizadeathstar.com/2012/08/new-detection-method-for-solar-flares-variations-in-radiation-emission/#ixzz25FHEeuxf - Giza Death Star Community This really rang my chimes, as I had read -a month or two ago?- that the existence of the ether has some good evidence for it, and that measurements showed that the solar system is moving through this ether at IIRC 4,000 km/hr, towards (some point). If these two hideous heresies should turn out to agree the whole edifice of modern physics may crumble. I wish I could provide a link to the ether article, it was a peach, giving (?) ten anomalous stick-in-your-eye findings that physics won't look at. Ol' Bab, who was an engineer
[Vo]:
The Keshe Energy Generator is a variant of the Papp engine reaction. The site link http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Keshe_Foundation#Theory_in_Short The patent application is as follows open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/geert8550/EP1770715A1.pdf This patent application references the Papp engine patent, the generator uses leveled noble gases, a radioisotope and alkali metal vapor reactants. Another SCAM, or is it real? Cheers:Axil
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times
It's good to think that if I decide to blow my brains out there will be an ad for a cheap gun and ammo. - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: There has been a significant rise in general (non-technical) interest about LENR however, at least according to Google: http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=lenrcmpt=q http://www.google.com/trends/?q=lenr Well, Google would know! They know all. That's good news. Still, I kinda doubt many people will pay for Krivit's wisdom. More power to him if they will. Speaking of knowing all, someone told me that several retail companies such as Target now know so much about their customers they can sometimes tell that women are pregnant even before the women themselves know. Their computers know this by tracking purchasing patterns. I have not found an article describing this exactly, but here is something: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/ - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times
I think New Energy Times is a publication of high quality, the investigations made by Steve were simply excellent. However if he has no access, prioritary access to primary sources in LENR I doubt he will be able to compete with the free publications that are plenty. Steve's decision to ignore completely and for ever (?) Rossi's stuff is interesting but very risky. Anyway, I wish him and New Energy Times all well. Peter On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Kelley Trezise ktrez2...@ssvecnet.comwrote: ** It's good to think that if I decide to blow my brains out there will be an ad for a cheap gun and ammo. - Original Message - *From:* Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 01, 2012 3:15 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: There has been a significant rise in general (non-technical) interest about LENR however, at least according to Google: http://www.google.com/**insights/search/#q=lenrcmpt=qhttp://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=lenrcmpt=q http://www.google.com/trends/?**q=lenrhttp://www.google.com/trends/?q=lenr Well, Google would know! They know all. That's good news. Still, I kinda doubt many people will pay for Krivit's wisdom. More power to him if they will. Speaking of knowing all, someone told me that several retail companies such as Target now know so much about their customers they can sometimes tell that women are pregnant even before the women themselves know. Their computers know this by tracking purchasing patterns. I have not found an article describing this exactly, but here is something: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/ - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
