Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
I wrote: I think you're right to focus on the weird transmutations. Yttrium is one > of them. It is not like the others. I think you're talking about a Pd/D > system. You probably have in mind a specific reference -- can you share it? > I see now you were probably referring to Chuck Sites's experiment, where there was a Yittrium signal in the NiH.
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Jones Beene wrote: For instance - Y is element 39 and it consists of ~100% of the one stable > isotope - which is 88.9 amu, having 29 protons and 40 neutrons with no > other > isotope. > I think you're right to focus on the weird transmutations. Yttrium is one of them. It is not like the others. I think you're talking about a Pd/D system. You probably have in mind a specific reference -- can you share it? Several possibilities in this instance: 1. 92Zr + p -> 89Y + 4He 2. 92Zr + D -> 90Y + 4He 3. 88Sr + p -> 89Y + gamma According to Hioki et al. [1], impurities that can be found in palladium include Pt, Ru, Ag, Rh, Fe and Si. It is possible that zirconium can also be found in the palladium or that it leached in from metal in the environment. Also, Murase et al. report that XPS, which I believe is a relative of EDAX, can have a hard time distinguishing between different species of the same mass; e.g., for a mass of 96, it would have a hard time resolving GaAl, Ca2O, CaFe and 96Mo [2]. So there might be something similar going on for Yttrium under EDAX as well. But the point is a good one -- when I did my analysis of some of the transmutations that have been reported, a significant number, but by no means all, could be sorted out using P/D capture, so there would appear to be something else going on, perhaps in addition to P/D capture, or perhaps instead of it. Eric [1] http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol6.pdf, p. 64 ff. [2] http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol6.pdf, p. 34 ff.
Re: [Vo]:Droege experiment
Hi Jed, A cat? Haha. Tom always said that some wiring had dipped into the electrolyte. That makes since now I guess it was the times. I wish I had copied the data I sent to him on the analysis of his cells. We took one electron micrograph of his cell that was just the wildest image. If you recall some of electron micrographs from Dr. Mosier-Boss, they have these images of what looks like a crater on the moon; a site where something exploded outward. We found the exact same thing on Tom's electrode. But Tom Droege's cell was even better.We found a Pd crystal structure that had the explosive volcano as center of a huge cross in the middle of a circle. At the center was the volcano, with a perfect cross or plus sign ridges extending out to the ridges of a perfect circle. This was on the surface of a used Pd cold fusion cell that had been under electrolysis for months. It's amazing what happens under electrolysis. My speculation is the circle was formed at a location where D2 gas bubbles would form, At the edge of the gas bubble, the electric fields directed deposits of Pd to form the ridges. I also speculate that as the metal saturated bubble leaves the surface, deposits of the metal joined the crystal structure to form that spectacular cross. For people curious about the Yttrium signal, that was looking at the edge of huge fracture in Tom's cell. In hind sight, I think it was just a mis-identification of spectral peaks. Tom had another idea. Tom and I had talked about doing a paper, but it just never happened, and I lost contact with him. I don't know. Maybe he didn't want to ruin my science career; haha. I bought Mallove's book "Fire from Ice" during a visit to MIT. It was just released and I bought it on the First day it went on sale. It was so refreshing to read, compared to the bias of Frank Close and "Too Hot to Handle". Mallove seemed like a great guy. I'm sorry you lost your friend. Good people like that are rare. Chuck, --- On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Chuck Sites wrote: > >> >> You probably remember Tom Droege the Electrical Engineer from Fermi >> lab. >> > > I sure do. I met with him several times, with Gene Mallove. > > > He had a live P&F replication running for few months and would post his >> latest measurements in Usenet's sci.physics.fusion group. I think he did >> eventually publish a conference paper on coloremetry . . . >> > > > That was in ICCF2. I have not uploaded it. > > > >> Anyway, the EDAX plots I sent him where pretty incredible. The EDAX was >> from x-ray back scatter analysis of the surface of his electrode, and it >> was covered with *tons* of junk. >> > > It was covered with cat hairs, galvanized onto the cathode. He had a large > gray cat who spent a lot of time sleeping on the warm calorimeter power > supplies (I think it was). There was cat hair everywhere in his lab. > > There is no way a cold fusion experiment can work with so much > contamination. > > - Jed > >
[Vo]:Some more Rossi said...
This is the first time I see him talk frankly about how truly revolutionising his hot-cat technology really "would be" (he explicitly uses the conditional): Just to translate the last sentence, which he almost said with a tear in his eyes: "it means freeing a good chunk of the world from a certain type of slavery." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNKiTR0meRQ Regards, Patrick
Re: [Vo]:Alan's Sites Effect Experiment
I guess Terry's not as clever a troll as he wishes. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:39 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Terry, state the best defense of their sanity you can. > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > >> Has everyone her gone totally insane? >> >> Oh, it's close to 12/21/12. Got it. >> >> >
Re: [Vo]:Alan's Sites Effect Experiment
The manual is ... Chinese and Chinglish : *regulator / steady flow characteristics " The series features the work of power as the voltage regulator / converter-type automatic steady flow, it changes with the load Regulators with the state of steady flow between the consecutive conversion, the voltage regulator and a state of steady flow as a point of intersection between the conversion to For-point. At least that's better English than I could render Chinese. A long, long, time ago we got an order from China for a vlsi layout system. We actually got an export license, but the money never reached us, so we didn't ship it.
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 4:52 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Terry, this is not a scientific quality measurement, but a quick dirty > amateur test so settle down. [image: ;-)] > > It's okay. I have done my share of experiments of this type. I even saved a couple of liters of "power water" which failed to run my two cycle engines, if anyone is interested. I also have a couple of small, unused 0.047 engines if interested. Oh, and several stainless steel light switch plates which served as electrodes. And. . . oh, this is embarrassing.
Re: [Vo]:Droege experiment
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 4:08 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson > Ask Terry. He knows these things.. Cat hair contains exotic, non-terrestrial isotopes of various elements. Someone should see if a hairball could be used to initiate fusion. I have some I could loan the Vorts with the buffalo nickels.
Re: [Vo]:Alan's Sites Effect Experiment
Since I don't yet have a "wet" environment I unpacked and set up my power supply. Like this one : http://www.ebay.com/itm/Precision-Variable-Adjustable-30V-5A-DC-Power-Supply-Digital-Regulated-Lab-Grade-/150910739194?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2322fb22fa (gee .. there's one like it for 50c cheaper! That particular one's an auction -- but Buy-it-now is the same price $67-ish, free shipping). The manual is ... Chinese and Chinglish : 1. Current 2. Steady flow rough tuning 3. Steady flow fine tuning 4. Steady flow state 5. Shows the three voltage 6. Fine-tuning regulators 7. Rough-tuning regulators 8. Directed state regulators 9. Negative output terminal 10. Positive output terminal 11. Output grounding terminal 12. Current switch 13. A/mA range conversion Pretty straight forward : a course and fine voltage and current control, and a switch between mA and A Whichever is higher takes control (Constant Current, Constant Voltage) with an indicator light I had a little potentiometer handy, so I set it to mA and gave it a twist. Ooops !!! I misinterpreted the mA vs A switch : what's that burning smell !!?? Hooked up my 1 ohm / 25W resistor makes a nice hand-warmer if you set the VA right. I see that brand-new Chinese Variacs are available for a similar price.
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
I realize that we may have a different power versus resistance profile, but I prefer to keep my experiment under control and a constant current system does a great job of achieving that. My latest experiment has been running for about 5 hours now and I can list a few of my observations: 1) I initially connected the wires backwards so that the copper plumbing joint was attached to the positive supply and nickel to negative. The copper part immediately began to be coated with a bright green deposit. At the same time, the voltage was climbing rapidly in order to deliver the 1 amp of current required. I realized my error after a few minutes and found that the copper coupler was quite a bit warmer than the electrolyte. The nickel was clean and not noticeably effected or warmer than the bath. 2) I cleaned up the copper coupler to remove the green scales and connected the circuit properly. At this time, the copper item is connected to the negative supply terminal and the nickel is attached to the positive one per Chucks design. 3) Power was applied and I noticed that green scales were now accumulating on the nickel while at the same time the voltage required to deliver the 1 amp of current was climbing. It took approximately 50 volts to get the desired current with my electrodes and the spacing, etc. This 50 volt reading was the maximum required throughout the test and began to drop soon after achieving it. 4) I decided to search for the reason and measured the voltage drop across each electrode. It appears that the green scale deposit on the nickel was highly resistive and caused a large voltage drop to appear across that path. The minimum voltage across the copper electrode to a point nearby within the electrolyte was about .8 volts although it is difficult to get a good reading due to critical probe placement. 5) I left and returned to find that the voltage of the supply had dropped to around 20 volts. I noticed that most of the green scale had dropped off of the nickel and now it had a dark deposit visible on its surface. 6) This new material deposited seems to have much lower resistance than the green one and I took time to measure the voltage drop from the positive supply terminal to the electrolyte very close to the nickel. It is difficult to get an accurate measurement, but it is in the vicinity of 7 volts while the comparable difference across the nickel-electrolyte junction is in the range of .8 volts. 7) Now the nickel is clearly warmer than the electrolyte. When I observe that there is 7 watts of power being dissipated in the nickel-electrolyte junction I suspect that a lot of the energy is due to joule heating of the deposit appearing upon the nickel. 8) The experiment is continuing and I will add additional water and borax as they become depleted due to evaporation and electrolysis. These results are very preliminary and the voltage measurements are difficult to verify. Perhaps the system will settle down after it has been active for a adequate period of time so that I can make more accurate measurements. Dave Recap of setup: Copper plumbing coupler connected to the negative supply terminal, standard nickel connected to the positive supply line, current set to 1 amp, borax electrolyte with crystals remaining on the bottom of the test fixture un dissolved, spacing approximately 1.5 inches between nickel and copper electrodes, gator clips located above the electrolyte. My supply can deliver up to 60 volts DC at 1 ampere of current. More current is available if the output voltage is reduced reaching a maximum of 5 amps on a sliding scale. I am using a sears craftsman digital multi meter to measure the voltages. Terry, this is not a scientific quality measurement, but a quick dirty amateur test so settle down. -Original Message- From: David L Babcock To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites Comment below On 9/28/2012 2:39 AM, David Roberson wrote: Hi Chuck, [snip] My supply is current limited and will not increase beyond what it is set for. I would see my supply voltage drop toward zero if the system resistance were to head in that direction. I am positive that I am reading the voltage and current across and through the cell. On occasions I have recorded the open circuit cell output voltage as a function of time immediately after disconnect and it has interesting behavior. This appears to be a quick way to test the electrolyte condition, but I have not put much effort into performing calibration. [snip] Dave -OriginalMessage- From: Chuck Sites [sn
RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint This is not bad news... this establishes a baseline if your calcs agree with a conventional explanation For anyone pursuing this, even in the simplest "hobby" kind of way, it should pay-off to employ some of Celani's technique (or that of other Ni-H experimenters, like Mills) even though you are doing electrolysis instead of gas phase. That would be instead of the very simplest approach, which is unlikely to show measurable gain... For instance, the plating of coins with electroless nickel might make a difference, especially in the AC version. "Electroless nickel," as the name implies is a non-electrical chemical technique to deposit layers of mostly nickel - either a phosphorus or boron alloy - onto an uncharged substrate. The substrate may be worth only 5 cents, but boron could be... well, in the words of MasterCard... priceless. If Chuck is correct, then getting boron into the surface of the electrode is probably necessary, so why fool around with borax? I think that anyone who has studied Celani, Mills and the others going back to Thermacore, can fill in the blanks from there on ... <>
Re: [Vo]:Droege experiment
"optomal?" Whatever... Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Droege experiment
Jed sez: ... > It was covered with cat hairs, galvanized onto the cathode. He had a large > gray cat who spent a lot of time sleeping on the warm calorimeter power > supplies (I think it was). There was cat hair everywhere in his lab. > > There is no way a cold fusion experiment can work with so much > contamination. I suspect Droege's cat would beg to differ. These creatures are very good at seeking out optomal warm spots in the house where they immediately transform into a platter of inert meatloaf. I suspect that's when they are transmitting data back to the Mother Ship. Ask Terry. He knows these things.. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs
You mean "Oppressive" and/or "Depression". << I imagine that you are sincere. Oh lordy that's depressing. Dave B. >>
[Vo]:Droege experiment
Chuck Sites wrote: > > You probably remember Tom Droege the Electrical Engineer from Fermi > lab. > I sure do. I met with him several times, with Gene Mallove. He had a live P&F replication running for few months and would post his > latest measurements in Usenet's sci.physics.fusion group. I think he did > eventually publish a conference paper on coloremetry . . . > That was in ICCF2. I have not uploaded it. > Anyway, the EDAX plots I sent him where pretty incredible. The EDAX was > from x-ray back scatter analysis of the surface of his electrode, and it > was covered with *tons* of junk. > It was covered with cat hairs, galvanized onto the cathode. He had a large gray cat who spent a lot of time sleeping on the warm calorimeter power supplies (I think it was). There was cat hair everywhere in his lab. There is no way a cold fusion experiment can work with so much contamination. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs
On 9/28/2012 11:55 AM, lorenhe...@aol.com wrote: Now the way I see it, is if you take a good look at our [snip] Let's Chalk one up for Obama! >> I imagine that you are sincere. Oh lordy that's depressing. Dave B.
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
Comment below On 9/28/2012 2:39 AM, David Roberson wrote: Hi Chuck, [snip] My supply is current limited and will not increase beyond what it is set for. I would see my supply voltage drop toward zero if the system resistance were to head in that direction. I am positive that I am reading the voltage and current across and through the cell. On occasions I have recorded the open circuit cell output voltage as a function of time immediately after disconnect and it has interesting behavior. This appears to be a quick way to test the electrolyte condition, but I have not put much effort into performing calibration. [snip] Dave -Original Message- From: Chuck Sites [snip] I hope your measuring the voltage and amperage going into the cell(s). When I saw the heat, the current would shoot through the roof, just like somehow the resistance drops toward zero. Best Regards, Chuck Chuck and Dave: BIG difference right there in front. One of you is running the supply in constant current mode, and one in constant voltage. If the resistance decreases, the first setup's input power will /decrease /in proportion (I^2*R); and the second, the input power will /increase /inversely (V^2/R). So the question might be, does the temperature rise only because the input power rose, or did it start to rise before the power rose? My apologies if this was already obvious. Also, it strikes me that a sudden big resistance drop is sort of unthinkable if occurring in the bulk of the electrolyte. A flood of new ions zipping out from some small source (or if an area source, weirdly synchronized)? But likewise with an interface change: If small, little effect; if big then weirdly synchronized. But I never did any chemistry. Dave B.
Re: [Vo]:US and China Team to Fight UFOs and USOs
Now the way I see it, is if you take a good look at our Comandeer & Thief,,, I mean Communist & Cheat, uh, no, I mean Celebrity & Fundraiser, uh, I mean Dictator & Plunderer, er, I mean Communist Organizer & Fraud, ehh, forget it, this Countries first phoney fake fraud of an imposter of a so-called President,,, then, and only then can you see the *real* transparency of The Annointed one currently misoccupying the illfaded White House. The Hope & Change and Transparency that Obama spoke of early on in his desire to Rule, uh, I mean run for the Dictatorship, uh rather, I mean Presidency, 'only' meant the "hope" of being able to fundamentally destroy America. The change of course is in regard to the way to how America is currently run as opposed to how the people will convert over to muzzzleheadedism to spend most of our time bowing down to the neuro-enhanced experimental somewhat human looking doofus that had it's way paid all the way into the illfaded White House, to see how much looting plundering and/or pilaging & destruction he could inflict. (doing a great job, if you ask me) Needles to say, it didn't work, because the only thing that was accomplished is that the Dow Average would likely have been 16,000 & some odd points and/or "Obama (don't) Care" would not have been impleDemented. The only "Transparency" that has now become abundantly clear is that I can thru Obama, and his illintentions and/or no inetntions. Obama (don't) Care was illconceived by Obama so he could raid the already in-peril health care system (you know, the doctors & pharamicists that misdiagnose & over-prescribe, and/or conduct countless unnecessary operations, All to bilk both you or the insurance companies of out countless $Billion$ (I mean, you can't put a price on life, and besides, if they take all every dollar you got, you won't need it where you're going anyway, and not to mention The Lord and/or Obama be with you). So then, what else can we expect except someone to come along and coordinate it so as to become "empowered" (as all wannabe dictators) all the while spending the most time ever working everyone out of their money by letting them know that there are many unfortunate poor people out there, so, anyone with more than $5 dollars should feel compassion, sympathy, and/or the desire to share, by gladly giving to Obama's great noble cause,,, but first, skimming a large chunk of it for himself, and then redistribute whats left as the Great Ruler sees fit. Now, I don't know about everyone else out there, but over the last 40 yrs, the Demo Party has gradually allowed itsself to be compromised if not taken down to a new all time low, but also the entire Political System and Media, which, allowed themselves to be coerced, corrupted, bribed, and/or honestly believe BO not only is incapable of emitting any odor, but that he is a real genius. And so, I can't help wonder what many of these gullible naive so-called people are up to.. maybe a place at their Great Leader's side or a ride on Airforce one w/ a fast free trip out the door at 30,000 ft, or how about a chance at a front row seat to watch the Obama's peform their Act as they try to swindle, con, and/or work the citizens of this Country out of their common sense and pocket books? So quickly now, let us reflect upon the greatest leader to ever infiltrate & confiscate the most hi-tec wealthiest nation ever... He emits a Light similar to Jesus, and walks on water, feeds many with only a single fish & loaf of bread (as long as it comes out of your pocket),,, and we must not anger him for fear of being rose-up against by the many who depend on our good fortune & compassion & love. We must be willing to commit our lives and/or livelyhood to Yo Honky Mama's great noble & just cause, so he can continue on in his on-going effort to rule over us.Thank You All! PS. I mean look at where this Man (?) comes from,,, and you don
RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
Excuse the typos - Y has 39 protons of course - but the major point is this: can any theory predict yttrium and account for the lack of extra neutrons - if P+D is the operative reaction? _ From: Jones Beene Chuck Can you dig up any of that old theory you mentioned? Anytime a theory makes predictions which turn out to be true, it should be given a close look - no matter how preposterous. In this case, yttrium would be highly unexpected, and it could add a lot of credibility to examine any theory which predicts it - unless this was shoe-horned into the picture, at a later date. For instance - Y is element 39 and it consists of ~100% of the one stable isotope - which is 88.9 amu, having 29 protons and 40 neutrons with no other isotope. This fact alone makes Y extremely difficult to fit into any theory as being a transmutation product of a heavier nucleus, and with one or more decay reactions following fusion... since when P combines with D, we find way too many surplus neutrons; and LENR is generally neutron-free. Therefore the atomic mass numbers have to work out on their own, without a free-neutron wild-card. And correspondingly - this difficulty makes such a theory much more cogent, if this can really be accommodated within the known rules of hot nuclear physics (and/or known decay products and channels) -yet to do so, without another miracle (over and above the two already present in LENR - the fusion itself, and the lack of gammas). So, basically it gets down to there being 39 protons and 40 neutrons in Y. We can work backwards from that to Pd+D. which at a minimum is 102+2 or 104+2 (and up from there, meaning much more difficult to envision). Pd of course is element 46, but with many stable isotopes the fewest being 102. The spread of 7 protons gives an indication that the theory to predict transmutation to Y will involve a either a quadruple alpha emission, since when fusion with D takes place there are 47 protons to account for (e.g. a fission of P+D can go to Y + O or something similar) - so that that the figure of 16 amu becomes an important number, but even the lightest Pd (102) will have 14-8=6 extra neutrons to hide, after giving up two alphas. Do you see the problem? The near impossibility of clean math here makes it next to impossible. And this makes any theory predicting Y most difficult and therefore most interesting if successful. (unless it is an after-the-fact kludge). Jones From: Chuck Sites ...the EDAX plots I sent him where pretty incredible one element stood out as weird; yttrium. Tom was very excited about that finding and even had a theory that yttrium would appear in D+Pd nuclear reaction <>
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
Today, I am going to begin with Chucks experiment. I plan to use a piece of copper attached to the negative supply terminal and a nickel to the positive one. My sodium carbonate electrolyte is to be replaced by the borax. I felt like it would be easy to set aside the nickel loading for a couple of days while this is attempted. Dave
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
Don't we wish! Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Sep 28, 2012 10:16 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites I think the government is aware that copious amounts of free energy is possible by coinage electrolysis. Section 331 of Title 18 of the United States code provides criminal penalties for anyone who fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the Mints of the United States.
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
Terry, this first run is mainly to learn a little bit about electrolysis and what I can actually do with what I have around. If I see anything that looks promising then it will be time to tighten up the experiment and begin seeking more rigor. It would have been a total waste of time had I started with all the bells and whistles. One needs to learn to walk before they run. The controls will follow if I determine it is worth continuing the experiment. There can be little scientific value unless the results are positive. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Sep 28, 2012 10:01 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:07 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Unfortunately I have not seem any measurable rise above the electrolyte > temperature yet. My experiment has been running for about 36 hours so far. You are, of course, running a control using steel plugs instead of nickels, right?
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
Chuck Can you dig up any of that old theory you mentioned? Anytime a theory makes predictions which turn out to be true, it should be given a close look - no matter how preposterous. In this case, yttrium would be highly unexpected, and it could add a lot of credibility to examine any theory which predicts it - unless this was shoe-horned into the picture, at a later date. For instance - Y is element 39 and it consists of ~100% of the one stable isotope - which is 88.9 amu, having 29 protons and 40 neutrons with no other isotope. This fact alone makes Y extremely difficult to fit into any theory as being a transmutation product of a heavier nucleus, and with one or more decay reactions following fusion... since when P combines with D, we find way too many surplus neutrons; and LENR is generally neutron-free. Therefore the atomic mass numbers have to work out on their own, without a free-neutron wild-card. And correspondingly - this difficulty makes such a theory much more cogent, if this can really be accommodated within the known rules of hot nuclear physics (and/or known decay products and channels) -yet to do so, without another miracle (over and above the two already present in LENR - the fusion itself, and the lack of gammas). So, basically it gets down to there being 39 protons and 40 neutrons in Y. We can work backwards from that to Pd+D. which at a minimum is 102+2 or 104+2 (and up from there, meaning much more difficult to envision). Pd of course is element 46, but with many stable isotopes the fewest being 102. The spread of 7 protons gives an indication that the theory to predict transmutation to Y will involve a either a quadruple alpha emission, since when fusion with D takes place there are 47 protons to account for (e.g. a fission of P+D can go to Y + O or something similar) - so that that the figure of 16 amu becomes an important number, but even the lightest Pd (102) will have 14-8=6 extra neutrons to hide, after giving up two alphas. Do you see the problem? The near impossibility of clean math here makes it next to impossible. And this makes any theory predicting Y most difficult and therefore most interesting if successful. (unless it is an after-the-fact kludge). Jones From: Chuck Sites ...the EDAX plots I sent him where pretty incredible one element stood out as weird; yttrium. Tom was very excited about that finding and even had a theory that yttrium would appear in D+Pd nuclear reaction <>
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
I think the government is aware that copious amounts of free energy is possible by coinage electrolysis. Section 331 of Title 18 of the United States code provides criminal penalties for anyone who fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the Mints of the United States.
Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:07 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Unfortunately I have not seem any measurable rise above the electrolyte > temperature yet. My experiment has been running for about 36 hours so far. You are, of course, running a control using steel plugs instead of nickels, right?
Re: [Vo]:Brian Ahern's report at EPRI
On 2012-09-27 22:17, Jed Rothwell wrote: Program on Technology Innovation: Assessment of Novel Energy Production Mechanisms in a Nanoscale Metal Lattice Direct link to download the paper: http://my.epri.com/portal/server.pt?space=CommunityPage&cached=true&parentname=ObjMgr&parentid=2&control=SetCommunity&CommunityID=405 Cheers, S.A.
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites
Jed, You probably remember Tom Droege the Electrical Engineer from Fermi lab. He had a live P&F replication running for few months and would post his latest measurements in Usenet's sci.physics.fusion group. I think he did eventually publish a conference paper on coloremetry, but his eventual conclusion was he could not replicate the P&F effect. Now there is back story to this. Tom and I got to be collaborators on a post analysis of one of his cells. At the time, I had access to state of the art EDAX system on an Electron Microscope. It was no wonder why he never got excess heat! He had a huge hunk of metal to load! No wonder it took him two months! It was shaped like and about the same size as a big 1000mg fish oil capsule. It was spilt all the way down it's length from the swelling and loading. Anyway, the EDAX plots I sent him where pretty incredible. The EDAX was from x-ray back scatter analysis of the surface of his electrode, and it was covered with *tons* of junk. Most from his counter electrode, but one element stood out as weird; yttrium. Tom was very excited about that finding and even had a theory that yttrium would appear in D+Pd nuclear reaction.All of that passed with Tom, I suspect. Best Regards, Chuck On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > >> See, almost immediately, after the announcement, a huge number of groups >> started to attempt replication. > > > People often say this, but I do not see much evidence for it. As far as I > know, during the first year roughly 150 to 200 groups attempted to > replicate. After a year roughly 100 succeeded. That's not a huge number. > > See: > > http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/WillFGgroupsrepo.pdf > > There may have been others but they never published, so they are lost to > history. If people did not even publish, I do not take them seriously. > > > I'm not looking up Lewis' paper at this point. What I know is that Lewis >> tried to replicate, not knowing what to do. He failed to replicate, that's >> obvious. > > > Incorrect. He probably succeeded. He did not realize that. His analysis > was wrong. See my paper and the papers by Noninski and Miles linked to it. > > As I said, my paper is here: > > http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJhownaturer.pdf > > I added the date to it per Haiko's suggestion. Thanks. > > - Jed > >
