[Vo]:[OT] Sent a message of query off to Mr. Beaty concerning recent trolling activity
I just sent off a brief message to Mr. Beaty asking if he could take a moment of his time to assess whether what I personally perceive to be an increase in trolling activity originating from certain anonymous individuals (whose names shall not be mentioned here to avoid email filters) might need to be addressed. It's generally not my policy to pester Mr. Beaty as we all have busy lives that need attending to. However, I am getting concerned. It was just my own personal opinion that I expressed to Mr. Beaty. As a single opinion I don't carry that much weight. It's more likely to be the collective opinions of the Collective that will carry the necessary weight. Therefore, others who might feel concerned about recent trolling activity might want to drop Bill a line. Be sure to express your own opinion. BE BRIEF!!! I did mention the fact that, IMHO, posting clearly marked Off Topic [OT] discussions is a perfectly healthy activity for Vortex-l participants, as long as the intention is not to incite undue aggravation among other members. Unfortunately, certain trolls have been abusing that privilege. IMHO, it might be time to address the matter, administratively. My 2 cents Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Sent a message of query off to Mr. Beaty concerning recent trolling activity
Well, it just came to my attention from the B list that somehow I got unsubscribed a while back and been too busy to notice, so I just rejoined the list a few days back, I can't honestly say. But I'll keep my eyes out. On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 8:42 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I just sent off a brief message to Mr. Beaty asking if he could take a moment of his time to assess whether what I personally perceive to be an increase in trolling activity originating from certain anonymous individuals (whose names shall not be mentioned here to avoid email filters) might need to be addressed. ** ** It’s generally not my policy to pester Mr. Beaty as we all have busy lives that need attending to. However, I am getting concerned. ** ** It was just my own personal opinion that I expressed to Mr. Beaty. As a single opinion I don’t carry that much weight. It’s more likely to be the collective opinions of the Collective that will carry the necessary weight. Therefore, others who might feel concerned about recent trolling activity might want to drop Bill a line. Be sure to express your own opinion. BE BRIEF!!! ** ** I did mention the fact that, IMHO, posting clearly marked Off Topic [OT] discussions is a perfectly healthy activity for Vortex-l participants, as long as the intention is not to incite undue aggravation among other members. Unfortunately, certain trolls have been abusing that privilege. IMHO, it might be time to address the matter, administratively. ** ** My 2 cents ** ** Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:New Vortex engine for reusable spacecraft
Orbitec managed to pull out successful Vortex engine test flight. This is very interesting development, because it would make reusability of spacecrafts into realms of possibility. Reusability could potentially cut the launch costs into orbit by one or even two orders of magnitude. SpaceX has already managed to cut the launch costs quite significantly, especially if the next generation of Falcon rockets is successful. But still physical realms are harsh that there are no big cost improvements available if there is no more reusability. —Jouni A novel twist on space launches In October, a small team of rocket scientists gathered in the middle of the Mojave Desert to watch a launch they hoped would help change space flight forever. http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20121219-a-novel-twist-on-space-launches “Our vortex generator eliminates the high temperatures at the inner surfaces of the engine. You can touch the exterior during lab-test firings and not get burned.” —Martin Chiaverini, principal propulsion engineer at Orbitec.
Re: [Vo]:New Vortex engine for reusable spacecraft
nice job, that remind me some hoover I don't see yet if it can help LENR rockets... basically it could make LiquixOXygen-Augmented Nuclear Thermal Rocket design be simpler... if someone can analyse if LENR will benefit from that... 2012/12/22 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com Orbitec managed to pull out successful Vortex engine test flight. This is very interesting development, because it would make reusability of spacecrafts into realms of possibility. Reusability could potentially cut the launch costs into orbit by one or even two orders of magnitude. SpaceX has already managed to cut the launch costs quite significantly, especially if the next generation of Falcon rockets is successful. But still physical realms are harsh that there are no big cost improvements available if there is no more reusability. —Jouni A novel twist on space launches *In October, a small team of rocket scientists gathered in the middle of the Mojave Desert to watch a launch they hoped would help change space flight forever.* http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20121219-a-novel-twist-on-space-launches “Our vortex generator eliminates the high temperatures at the inner surfaces of the engine. You can touch the exterior during lab-test firings and not get burned.” —Martin Chiaverini, principal propulsion engineer at Orbitec.
Re: [Vo]:Vortex Engine
The vortex proposal is interesting, certainly worthy of some engineering study to confirm the numbers. I have not read the Michaud proposal, I am simply reacting to the idea. As I understand it, heat energy available from some source, like waste heat from a power plant, would be allowed to rise through a vortex, which converts heat energy to rotation, that rotation could drive a turbine. It would be an artificial tornado, which seems to arouse some, ah, safety concerns. However, the devil is in the details. It is not clear that this would be extremely noisy. Maybe. Maybe not. Again, this would depend on details. The argument is made for the proposal that the vortex would be maintained through the vortex machinery, and that it would dissipate rapidly if the machinery failed or the vortex began to escape the machinery to become a live tornado. The heat powering the vortex is coming from a specific source, substantially elevated source temperature over ambient. It's difficult to see how these conditions would allow escape. Shut off that heat (i.e., shunt it out of the vortex entry, spreading it out, or massively cool it by, say, injecting water spray), the vortex would shut down immediately, from loss of energy input, as well as whatever the machine does to stop source rotation. So, I would't want one of these things next door, but the comment on PESN about 200 miles seems extreme, indeed. One would not want to run one of these things in a high-natural-tornado zone, I'd suspect, though it's actually possible that it would suppress natural tornados to a degree, by heating the atmosphere, reducing the natural heat engine fuel, i.e., the differential temperature. I rather doubt that this suppressive effect would be large, unless these machines were in *massive* use. Obviously, if engineering studies support the practical possibility, this would be tested in remote regions, not naturally susceptible to tornado activity. What this idea would do, essentially, is convert a fairly small temperature difference, ordinarily difficult to harness, into rotary motion powering a turbine. Instead of *consuming energy* to cool the heat source (i.e, fans), this would create large atmospheric flow, cooling by converting the heat to air motion and power generation.
Re: [Vo]:New Vortex engine for reusable spacecraft
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: nice job, that remind me some hoover Dyson?
Re: [Vo]:Vortex Engine
Discussing vortexes on this list might be off topic. eg
[Vo]:Indiana explosion shows the danger of conventional energy sources
The November 10 explosion in Indianapolis has resulted in criminal charges for arson. See: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local/indianaid=8928285 QUOTE December 21, 2012 ( INDIANAPOLIS) -- A homeowner, her boyfriend and the boyfriend's brother were charged Friday with murder and arson in a massive explosion that killed two people, destroyed five homes and damaged dozens more in an Indianapolis neighborhood. . . . Investigators determined that Shirley's home - at the epicenter of the devastating blast that killed her neighbors, John Dion Longworth, 34, and his 36-year-old wife Jennifer Longworth - filled up with gas after a gas fireplace valve and a gas line regulator were removed, Curry said. A microwave, probably set to start on a timer, sparked the explosion and flattened much of the Richmond Hills subdivision in the far south of the city, he said. . . . A man fitting Bob Leonard's description was seen at Shirley's home on the day of the explosion, and investigators believe this is when the gas line and valve were tampered with. . . . UNQUOTE This illustrates the fact that conventional energy systems are inherently dangerous. They seldom cause damage or death because they are tightly controlled, monitored, and regulated. Only licensed people are allowed to work with them. In the 19th century, in the decades after natural gas distribution began, and electric power distribution began, there were many accidents. People learned from experience. The technology improved, but it was almost as important that people generally become more experienced and adept using these new energy sources. People at home learned to fear the smell of leaking gas, and they learned you must never let an electric appliance touch water. We worry about the dangers and unknowns of cold fusion. We should worry about that. But we should bear in mind that the dangers of conventional energy are only held at bay by constant effort and at great expense. And by society-wide experience -- which is an interesting thing. We do not sense it because it is all around us. After WWII, when vacuum cleaners and other machines were introduced into Japan by the Occupation, Uncle Sam published a book in Japanese for the young women working as maids and staff telling them things like, never try to vacuum up spilled liquids. Do not wash this vacuum cleaner in water, or put it in a bucket of water; you might electrocute yourself. They had to be told what everyone now learns from childhood. We know as much about how to keep safe with gas and electricity as our grandparents knew how to deal with kerosene lamps and coal and wood burning stoves. Kerosene lamps can be dangerous, by the way. Sometime around 1925 my grandfather walked into a house and saw one on a table which had burned low. That is to say, the level of liquid kerosene had fallen, the cloth wick was no longer uptaking the fluid, and the fire was starting to burn down the wick toward the remaining fluid at the bottom of the bowl. When that happens, the lamp explodes. My grandfather picked up the lamp, ran through the room, and threw the lamp straight through a closed window, shattering the glass, into the back yard. A modern person would probably have no idea what he was seeing when the flame starts moving down the wick. He would not react in time. Plus you can't throw an object through a modern window. This is why I do not recommend inexperienced people use obsolete technology. To heck with nostalgia -- you will blow yourself up! In the PBS documentary 1900 House they set up a kitchen, bathrooms and other living arrangements that were not so different from those I grew up with, and were actually well ahead of those my wife grew up with in rural Japan. In the 1900 House they had a coal fire stove in the kitchen with some kind of barrier around it, and screens, to prevent people from burning themselves. One of the people cooking on it burned herself despite this. I looked at it and thought to myself, we didn't have any barriers around those things when I was a kid. I don't recall ever burning myself on one but I must have come close on many occasions. Honestly, until I saw that documentary, it never occurred to me that having a large iron stove in the middle of the room with burning wood in it might be considered dangerous. Lots of people had those things in the 1950s and 60s, and we took it in stride. We also kept a 22 cal. rifle on a shelf in the foyer. I don't recall where the ammo was, but it wasn't locked up. We did that just because people did that sort of thing in those days. Not for fear of crime or anything. I used to shoot it on weekends, in Pennsylvania, for the heck of it. We thought nothing of it. The WWII generation was used to firearms. Society-wide experience may also explain why automobile accident rates per passenger mile seem to decline year by year even when safety standards do not change. General knowledge of how to avoid accidents seems to be
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Sent a message of query off to Mr. Beaty concerning recent trolling activity
I support Steven's action. I have not contacted Mr. Beaty, and my position in general is that individuals should not be banned from the list without a violated warning from someone speaking with authority. But that's normative, not prescriptive, and the matter is up to list owner discretion. I do support letting the list know when someone is banned. And banned list members do have the individual email addresses of list members (from before they were banned, if they keep their own received mail), and can still submit anything appropriate to the list through such a channel. Of course, a list member who forwards inappropriate material would themselves be subject to scrutiny. If the fellow in question were to send me a mail and I were to forward it to the list, in order to respond to it, I'd be responsible for that. I actually need to be careful about this, because it can happen inadvertently. Suppose a banned member sends me an email that is cc'd to the list, and I respond with Reply to All as I normally do, not noticing that it was sent personally to me. Even though the banned member's post would be bounced, *my reply* would not. I've previously erred in similar ways. Here, after a long period simply ignoring this fellow's posts, when it became clear that he was using this list almost totally to troll, I started responding again, initially by documenting what he'd been doing, showing how he was lying about his own behavior. And I also responded in detail about his claims about Islam, and there is a purpose to that (and when it was pointed out that any of this should have the [OT} tag, I started to add that.) My reason: what this fellow claims are myths believed by a surprisingly high number of Americans, probably because of the publication in certain religious circles. At 10:42 AM 12/22/2012, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: I just sent off a brief message to Mr. Beaty asking if he could take a moment of his time to assess whether what I personally perceive to be an increase in trolling activity originating from certain anonymous individuals (whose names shall not be mentioned here to avoid email filters) might need to be addressed. It's generally not my policy to pester Mr. Beaty as we all have busy lives that need attending to. However, I am getting concerned. It was just my own personal opinion that I expressed to Mr. Beaty. As a single opinion I don't carry that much weight. It's more likely to be the collective opinions of the Collective that will carry the necessary weight. Therefore, others who might feel concerned about recent trolling activity might want to drop Bill a line. Be sure to express your own opinion. BE BRIEF!!! I did mention the fact that, IMHO, posting clearly marked Off Topic [OT] discussions is a perfectly healthy activity for Vortex-l participants, as long as the intention is not to incite undue aggravation among other members. Unfortunately, certain trolls have been abusing that privilege. IMHO, it might be time to address the matter, administratively. My 2 cents Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age
At 06:26 AM 12/22/2012, orgasm wikipedia wrote: I STILL AGREE! See bottom of this comment. http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22Jojo+Jaro%22Jojo Jaro http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20121220Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:52:43 -0800 [follows Jojo Jaro's rant.] Lomax reminds me of Ahmadinejad. One of the characteristics of paranoia is that one thing reminds the paranoid of something else, with great ease, what are seen by most people as disconnected facts, with no common causal relationship, are interpreted as interconnecting proofs of the underlying thesis. Ahmadinejad's religious beliefs in the imminent return of the occulted Shi'a Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi have alarmed some Western commentators. Ahmadinejad expresses a personal experience, where he interprets attention from world leaders as having some kind of mystical cause. He may not be incorrect about that, but from my own training, he may be adding interpretation to the experience that is, shall we say, personal, related to his belief system and world-view. How I'd be related to this person is beyond me, beyond what he's doing here: relating a personal experience and what it meant to him. I also do that. I also eat food and drink water, and dispose of what is not used of them, the same as all living people. I see nothing menacing or threatening in what he reported. That's tacked on by someone else, as a completely different comment on apocalyptic Shiites. Shi'a escatology might be worrisome, just as the Christian version can be. But where am I proposing something worrisome, if that's orgasm wikipedia's intention to point out? No, there is no particular reason to think that Orgasm Wikipedia is anything other than a sock puppet, or meat puppet, in the Wikipedia trope. If he's a separate person, it just goes to show. In particular, remarks reportedly made after his speech before the United Nations General Assembly have created concern (translated): (www.ahmadinejad.ir) On the last day when I was speaking before the assembly, one of a country's group told me that when I started to say In the name of God the almighty and merciful, he saw a light around me, and I was placed inside this aura. I felt it myself. I felt the atmosphere suddenly change, and for those 27 or 28 minutes, the leaders of the world did not blink. When I say they didn't bat an eyelid, I'm not exaggerating because I was looking at them. And they were rapt. It seemed as if a hand was holding them there and had opened their eyes to receive the message from the Islamic republic. Former CIA officer Robert Baer said, in the context of evaluating a nuclear strike on Iran, that Ahmadinejad and others in the Iranian government are apocalyptic Shiites. He continues, If youâre sitting in Tel Aviv and you believe theyâve got nukes and missiles youâve got to take them out. These guys are nuts and there's no reason to back off. Notice where the threat is coming from. It's explicit. You've got to take them out. That is former CIA officer Baer saying that it is *necessary* to attack these evil Shiites before they kill us or our friends. Lots of nuts in this world but Jojo, you are definately not one of them. Orgasm Wikipedia Brilliant. Scary. Remember, there are Christians who believe that support for Israel, including attacking and killing the enemies of Israel, is a necessary part of the Apocalypse, and they propose to trigger it. I knew someone else who was crazy like this: Charles Manson. Believe it or not, in person, he sounded much saner than Jojo Jaro and Orgasm Wikipedia, a name clearly created to comment here, in these immediate discussions. Manson also managed to convince a few friends that he was right, and I knew a couple of them as well, and they are still in prison. Very scary. Deadly scary. Tragically scary. There is danger from the Iranians, for sure, but God help us if these Christian loonies get their hands on nukes. They are essentially announcing that they will use them to kill the bad guys. Satan loves that one, it is his favorite trick. What did Jesus say about this?
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Sent a message of query off to Mr. Beaty concerning recent trolling activity
As religious beliefs have been behind some of the largest conflicts known to mankind, I believe it is very unproductive to attack each other's religion. America makes it free to choose and believe. All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom. - ALBERT EINSTEIN I do not know if it is trolling, but I would suggest to stop attacking. My two cents. Stewart On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: And banned list members do have the individual email addresses of list members (from before they were banned, if they keep their own received mail), and can still submit anything appropriate to the list through such a channel. Of course, a list member who forwards inappropriate material would themselves be subject to scrutiny. If the fellow in question were to send me a mail and I were to forward it to the list, in order to respond to it, I'd be responsible for that. I actually need to be careful about this, because it can happen inadvertently. Suppose a banned member sends me an email that is cc'd to the list, and I respond with Reply to All as I normally do, not noticing that it was sent personally to me. Even though the banned member's post would be bounced, *my reply* would not. I've previously erred in similar ways. Here, after a long period simply ignoring this fellow's posts, when it became clear that he was using this list almost totally to troll, I started responding again, initially by documenting what he'd been doing, showing how he was lying about his own behavior. And I also responded in detail about his claims about Islam, and there is a purpose to that (a
[Vo]:Skynet Advances
LS3 makes me feel creepier as it advances. Falls down and recovers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=hNUeSUXOc-w And if that didn't peg your creep-o-meter: http://www.geekologie.com/2012/12/nope-robot-with-human-skeleton-and-muscl.php
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age
Are all muslims preoccupied with obsessions? Someone told me they have animal sex and it is advocated in the Koran. Could this be like a virus from (that activity) and a medical condition causing undue speculation as a mental syndrome. Does it make muslims to be insulted or mad to suggest this? I assume that the freedom of information act is allowed with OT posts, but if it aint I will cease and desist, but my opinion is just the whole subject is obsessional or just plain stupid. HDN Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/
Re: [Vo]:Vortex Engine
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vortex Engine To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 22, 2012, 11:47 AM Discussing vortexes on this list might be off topic. eg Someone accused me of not understanding sarcasm, but the post made me laugh anyways. But is it sarcastic or should I resort to Wikipedia?
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: LS3 makes me feel creepier as it advances. Falls down and recovers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=hNUeSUXOc-w If it responded to input from a leash it would not have to be so navigational smart. Harry And if that didn't peg your creep-o-meter: http://www.geekologie.com/2012/12/nope-robot-with-human-skeleton-and-muscl.php
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If it responded to input from a leash it would not have to be so navigational smart. I think the point is: you can tell it to go from point A to point B in a battlefield, and it goes by itself. Leading it on a leash would defeat the purpose. It is creepy! - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Vortex Engine
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vortex Engine To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 22, 2012, 11:47 AM Discussing vortexes on this list might be off topic. eg Someone accused me of not understanding sarcasm, but the post made me laugh anyways. But is it sarcastic or should I resort to Wikipedia? Of course it was not sarcasm! (== sarcasm :-)
Re: [Vo]:Vortex Engine
Calling this tornado power is less accurate than calling it a href= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landspout;landspout power/a. A landspout's vorticity comes from close to the ground, unlike a tornado's vorticity which comes from a higher altitude circular flow of air. Landspouts are called that because they more resemble waterspouts that appear frequently off the coast of southern Florida and are not notoriously dangerous. Moreover, the flow regime is laminar. This is quite mysterious to many atmospheric scientists since the Reynolds number of such a vortex is huge. In the case of a vortex, however, a more useful metric is the Rayleigh number. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 4:41 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, the pesn article on AVE is utterly brain-dead. I tried to correct it last year but, of course, anyone with actual knowledge of the subject is banned. The vortex's structure is maintained by the source of vorticity which is in the engine itself. Outside of the engine, the lack of vorticity destroy's the structure and it quickly becomes little more than an updraft. Vorticity is simple to understand: If you have a big circular pool of water that is still, there is no vorticity. If you rotate the pool of water about the center of the circle the body of water has vorticity. If you open a hole in the bottom center of the circle and let water drain out, the inward flowing water acts the way a skater that is spinning around does when drawing their arms inward -- the rotation rate increases. This is why you get a funnel shape and the vorticity becomes helicity. Tornadoes form when you have two bodies of air flowing past each other in opposite directions resulting in places where there is vorticity. If these form over places where there is a lot of heat content in the air close to the ground, the effect is the same as pulling the plug in the bottom of the pool, except its upward instead of downward force -- and you get the angular momentum forming a tornado that sucks the angular momentum in toward the center maintaining the structure. In an AVE there is no ambient vorticity -- it all comes from the AVE structure itself. Although only a few percent of the total tornado energy is required to be put into vorticity in order to maintain the chimney structure for the updraft, if you cut off the vorticity energy, the rest of the structure dissipates. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: This is the proposal I suggested to Michaud submit to Breakout Labs a year ago almost to the day. This really is a huge deal: Atmospheric Vortex Engine EXECUTIVE SUMMARY Develop sufficient understanding of vortices with high Reynolds numbers, such as tornadoes and hurricanes to allow investment in construction of full scale Atmospheric Vortex Engines. This would be accomplished by building a model AVE capable of generating an atmospheric vortex approximately 100 meters high. Measurements made on this vortex would then refine existing CFD models of vortices -- models which are surprisingly untested for high Reynolds numbers. The CFD model, validated for high Reynolds number vortices, would then be applied to the design of larger scale AVE’s to estimate their performance. The economics full scale AVEs would then be evaluated and, if found profitable, provide start of a business plan. LONG TERM VISION STATEMENT 10 Peta Watts renewable baseload electrical generation with no pollution. The global deployment of AVEs turns the Earth into a heat engine using space for its heat sink. The work of these heat engines is turned into electrical power by compact, high power turbines. Deploying AVEs in the tropical oceans would provide ocean settlements with copious quantities of fresh water rain and electrical power while controlling hurricanes. These settlements would reduce population pressures while developing new options for voluntary experiments in the social sciences that may prove useful in existing polities as well as potential new space settlements. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:48 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 3:25 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.comwrote: Atmospheric Vortex Engine creates tornadoes to generate electricity http://www.gizmag.com/vortex-engine-tornadoes-electricity/25508/ Not to be classified as OT, Vortex was created illo tempora to discuss CF-related subjects including the Griggs and the Potapov machines. See also vortex tubes as kind of Maxwell machines, real but of low efficiency. *www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com*/?p=501cpage=5 James *Bowery* http://jimbowery.blogspot.com/ July 23rd, 2011 at 2:40 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=501cpage=5#comment-55946 I should clarify that when I say the *Atmospheric* Vortext *Engine* is “least capital intensive” I mean per installed power (ie: $/W). I’ll show the
Re: [Vo]:New Vortex engine for reusable spacecraft
yes, I've also heard about a cyclonic cooling device... 2012/12/22 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: nice job, that remind me some hoover Dyson?
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Sent a message of query off to Mr. Beaty concerning recent trolling activity
I haven't seen any trolling here. What I have seen are opinions of one gentleman being depreciated, often with insult, whereupon he answers vigorously. If the people who do not like his opinions would ignore him, or reply politely, I don't think there would be a problem. I recently started to block everything from or about him so I do not see anything. You might try that rather than trying to get him booted off the list, which is what 'administratively' would mean. Is there some reason you can not use killfiles to ignore him; I mean some psychological reason that requires you to see everything going on here, no matter how unpleasant it is to you? I ask because I do not feel any such necessity and do not understand why anybody would get bent out of shape about something like what you are talking about. There are limits of course; I, for example, would demand that Bill Beaty boot anyone who claimed that Rossi has shown no evidence of OU heat generation. But aside from such outrages, unpleasantness can best be dealt with by using a killfile.
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age
Essentially, all that Jojo has written about Islam is flat-out incorrect. Lomax did a great job explaining and providing sources for the reality. I don't believe that Joho is doing so maliciously: he is, I believe, merely repeating misinformation that he has picked up elsewhere. Alas, given the current levels of Islamophobia he has plenty to choose from. I also believe that Jojo is not interested in genuine discussion or education on this matter, and so have merely pointed out for the benefit of anyone else interested here that his posts on Islam are deeply mistaken. If anyone on this list is interested in Islam, I'll be happy to discuss further, perhaps off-list. Cheers, Lawry Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: Are all muslims preoccupied with obsessions? Someone told me they have animal sex and it is advocated in the Koran. Could this be like a virus from (that activity) and a medical condition causing undue speculation as a mental syndrome. Does it make muslims to be insulted or mad to suggest this? I assume that the freedom of information act is allowed with OT posts, but if it aint I will cease and desist, but my opinion is just the whole subject is obsessional or just plain stupid. HDN Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Sent a message of query off to Mr. Beaty concerning recent trolling activity
I think people who spread lies that tend to induce genocide should not be outside jail and much less allowed to post on this forum. I think it is shameful for Mr. Beaty to allow this person to block that certain person, since not doing that is allowing such lies to be spread in google. So, Mr. Beaty will end up to be a collaborator with a nazist mentality, even possibly against his wishes, and influencing other people who look for information on google, to act in genocide like ways against Muslims. 2012/12/22 OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net It was just my own personal opinion that I expressed to Mr. Beaty. As a single opinion I don’t carry that much weight. It’s more likely to be the collective opinions of the Collective that will carry the necessary weight. Therefore, others who might feel concerned about recent trolling activity might want to drop Bill a line. Be sure to express your own opinion. BE BRIEF!!! ** -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
What's up with all those shipping containers with windows at the end? Is that where they keep all the old iRobots? On 12/22/12 9:40 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: LS3 makes me feel creepier as it advances. Falls down and recovers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=hNUeSUXOc-w And if that didn't peg your creep-o-meter: http://www.geekologie.com/2012/12/nope-robot-with-human-skeleton-and-muscl.php -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org mailto:r...@coldfusionnow.org United States 1-707-616-4894 Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
[Vo]:New Energy Paradigm Shift 2012 Art Show Prizes announced
We got ten entries for our New Energy Paradigm Shift 2012 Art Show and the prizewinners are .. http://coldfusionnow.org/their-banner-is-excelsior/ Still, we'll be sending everybody a special little gift for contributing their time and creativity! Thank you everyone who participated! -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org mailto:r...@coldfusionnow.org Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If it responded to input from a leash it would not have to be so navigational smart. I think the point is: you can tell it to go from point A to point B in a battlefield, and it goes by itself. Leading it on a leash would defeat the purpose. Maybe that is the long term goal, but in this video they have the robot following someone around. LS3 follow tight harry
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I think the point is: you can tell it to go from point A to point B in a battlefield, and it goes by itself. Leading it on a leash would defeat the purpose. Maybe that is the long term goal, but in this video they have the robot following someone around. That is another useful skill in war. The two amount to the same thing from a robotics point of view. Autonomous operation in both cases. When you order it from A to B the goal is fixed. When you order it to follow, the starting point A is fixed, and B keeps changing. You can see how it works in the right hand window of the robot's mapping operation. You can see it select and then modify a path, as it bumps into trees and whatnot. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Sent a message of query off to Mr. Beaty concerning recent trolling activity
The avatar I believe you are referring to has also been banned from commenting on our website due to the exact same activity that has nothing to do with our focus of cold fusion. It is quite offensive and I believe the entity has a mental illness, so engaging it will do no good. On 12/22/12 9:21 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Here, after a long period simply ignoring this fellow's posts, when it became clear that he was using this list almost totally to troll, I started responding again, initially by documenting what he'd been doing, showing how he was lying about his own behavior. -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org mailto:r...@coldfusionnow.org Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I think the point is: you can tell it to go from point A to point B in a battlefield, and it goes by itself. Leading it on a leash would defeat the purpose. Maybe that is the long term goal, but in this video they have the robot following someone around. That is another useful skill in war. The two amount to the same thing from a robotics point of view. Autonomous operation in both cases. When you order it from A to B the goal is fixed. When you order it to follow, the starting point A is fixed, and B keeps changing. You can see how it works in the right hand window of the robot's mapping operation. You can see it select and then modify a path, as it bumps into trees and whatnot. yeah your right, a leash works on beings with feelings...this thing doesn't feel. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
early Big Dog quadruped robot testing ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXI4WWhPn-Ufeature=endscreen harry
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: early Big Dog quadruped robot testing ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXI4WWhPn-Ufeature=endscreen Same company, Massive Dynamic, er, rather Boston Dynamics. (Not run by Nina Sharp.) http://www.bostondynamics.com/ not http://www.massivedynamic.com/
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age
On Dec 22, 2012, at 11:29, de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone on this list is interested in Islam, I'll be happy to discuss further, perhaps off-list. Thank you for stepping in here. I like off topic posts like everyone else here, but we should draw the line at ignorant innuendo concerning religious belief and background. While I have a great deal of patience for Mary Yugo's kind of question, I would not hesitate to ban people guilty of repeat religious trolling. There are other forums for that kind of thing; I believe the Southern Poverty Law Center documents some of them. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
Imagine having a cold fusion powered version of one of these things coming after you in the woods. Inexorably. What a nightmare! Worse than a real dog. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
The battery that powers the terminators last decades and it is quite small. 2012/12/22 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Imagine having a cold fusion powered version of one of these things coming after you in the woods. Inexorably. What a nightmare! Worse than a real dog. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: The battery that powers the terminators last decades and it is quite small. Yes. Well, it is fictional, too. But that is the potential of cold fusion. This robot sounds like it is powered with gasoline ICEs. Range must be limited. A real horse is self-powered in much of the world. It eats grass. However, a horse used in war needs to be fed oats or other food crops. It cannot forage enough. In the U.S. east coast during the Civil War, in 1864 and 65, Confederate horses were in bad shape for lack of food. Ancient armies such as Alexander's had sharp limits to distance they could advance across barren or desert areas. Each horse or other pack animal had to carry its own food as well as the goods it was carrying. There were complex schemes and mathematical problems worked out about for staging supplies in the desert, or starting off with large numbers of animals and killing off some as you went across. This was the scheme used by Amundsen to reach the south pole. He was an excellent explorer, and very methodical. He got there and back on schedule without undo risk. But the public never felt good about him because his plan involved shooting dogs along the way, and feeding them to other dogs. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Amundsen to reach the south pole. He was an excellent explorer, and very methodical. He got there and back on schedule without undo risk. But the public never felt good about him because his plan involved shooting dogs along the way, and feeding them to other dogs. Outrageous. He should have been punished instead of feted. A blot on his memory to have cold-bloodedly killed harmless animals in pursuit of a mere attempt to reach the south pole, animals which were not only harmless but loyal and helpful to him and his crew. Truly disgraceful.
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: A blot on his memory to have cold-bloodedly killed harmless animals in pursuit of a mere attempt to reach the south pole, animals which were not only harmless but loyal and helpful to him and his crew. Truly disgraceful. That is what newspaper readers said in 1912, as they reached for a second helping of ham and eggs. You have to realize that for polar explorers, or soldiers, Inuit or Mongols, dogs, horses and other animals are expendable. You use them to carry supplies or you eat them, as needed. You can't survive in these places with any other attitude. Furthermore, dogs are no more innocent or helpful than cows, pigs or the other animals we eat. Unless you are a vegetarian you can't criticize. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Sent a message of query off to Mr. Beaty concerning recent trolling activity
While I think banning one or 2 might be a good idea. Since Bill has shown a reluctance to do this maybe setting up a filter is the best way. I would rather have a list owner that allowed freedom over a dictator that micromanaged it. Maybe those who have actually contributed to the running cost would have a case to request such though? I never have. John On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote: The avatar I believe you are referring to has also been banned from commenting on our website due to the exact same activity that has nothing to do with our focus of cold fusion. It is quite offensive and I believe the entity has a mental illness, so engaging it will do no good. On 12/22/12 9:21 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Here, after a long period simply ignoring this fellow's posts, when it became clear that he was using this list almost totally to troll, I started responding again, initially by documenting what he'd been doing, showing how he was lying about his own behavior. -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org
Re: [Vo]:New Vortex engine for reusable spacecraft
On Dec 22, 2012, at 18:42, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: nice job, that remind me some hoover I don't see yet if it can help LENR rockets... I do not see what LENR (i.e. mostly speculation and fiction) has anything to do with rocket engines (i.e. science). My hoover (that is also manufactured by Hoover) can also separate dust using vortex, so there is indeed a corollary! I wonder if this design could be fitted into jet engines also? I have fantasied of plasma driven electric jet engine, because plasma state would allow maximal thermal expansion. But as plasma is way too hot for conventional materials, Vortex design is necessary to keep hot plasma separate from the engine structures. —Jouni
RE: [Vo]:[OT] Sent a message of query off to Mr. Beaty concerning recent trolling activity
From Vorl: Since I started this post, I'll assume your rely was meant for me. I haven't seen any trolling here. What I have seen are opinions of one gentleman being depreciated, often with insult, whereupon he answers vigorously. You are certainly free to express your own observations on the matter. Here's my observation of your observation: I don't think you have been very observant. Feel free to disagree. If the people who do not like his opinions would ignore him, or reply politely, I don't think there would be a problem. Many are doing just that. Myself included. I have been filtering his posts for quite some time now. I recently started to block everything from or about him so I do not see anything. A sensible approach. As previously mentioned, I also block his posts. But I also choose not to block the posts of others who may be replying to this troll's posts. That is too much of a draconian approach for me to initiate. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater, etc... You might try that rather than trying to get him booted off the list, which is what 'administratively' would mean. I have asked Mr. Beaty to look into the matter administratively since it is his list to do what he wants with. In the end it is Mr. Beaty's decision, not mine. Is there some reason you can not use killfiles to ignore him; I do. I mean some psychological reason that requires you to see everything going on here, no matter how unpleasant it is to you? I would reply by saying you are being patronizing. You have no idea what I read and don't read on this list. Let me point out that recently there now seems to be brand new poster, an anonymous individual who goes by the name of Orgasm Wikipedia. This anonymous poster seems to be gearing up to perform copy-cat trolling behavior. He recently attempted to equate Mr. Lomax with Ahmadinejad. Lomax reminds me of Ahmadinejad. This is what concerns me: copy-cat trolling behavior. I am concerned about votex-l possibly catching another trolling virus. Catching a virus is an apt description Mr. Beaty has used in the past when trolling behavior suddenly takes an up-tick and begins to potentially affect the health of his list. The list can catch a fever. I ask because I do not feel any such necessity and do not understand why anybody would get bent out of shape about something like what you are talking about. It's quite simple. I'm concerned about the over-all health of the vortex-l list. There are limits of course; I, for example, would demand that Bill Beaty boot anyone who claimed that Rossi has shown no evidence of OU heat generation. Let me get this straight. You could care less about a poster ranting all over the place about his religious predilections, but OTOH, if someone opines that Rossi has shown now OU heat generation he should be booted off this list? Are you serious? That could possibly turn out to be half the Vortex-l membership! Hell! I don't know if Rossi is for real. I'd like to think he is the genuine article, but I really don't know. I have no proof! ;-) But aside from such outrages, unpleasantness can best be dealt with by using a killfile. Usually a killfile is enough. Unfortunately, sometimes it isn't. In the end, however, it's Mr. Beaty's decision. Incidentally, I don't want off topic discussions banned, particularly when the subjects being discussed are not meant to antagonize others. Unfortunately, increased trolling activity can result in a temporary ban of off topic discussions, as implemented by Mr. Beaty as a way to reduce the vortrex-l fever. That's a major reason why I'm concerned about recent trolling activity. I don't want off topic discussions temporarily banned as a way to reduce the fever. Mr. Beaty has had to do this in the past. Unfortunately, and IMO, that may very well be one of the goals this troller is attempting. If he can get Mr. Beaty to ban him but also ban off topic discussions he thinks are inappropriate for Vortex-l, he thinks he wins. Meanwhile, the rest of us are inconvenienced. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age
Hey, I can't convince you if you don't do your own research. Everything I've said so far is the truth; and even muslim scholars acknowledge it. But if you rely on Wikipedia (stable or not) then you only have yourself to blame. You know, even in college, even before the Jihad aginst the Great Satan of 2001, I already knew more about Islam than many so called islam experts (who also claim to be physics expert but did not graduate.) My friends, I have done my research in real libraries, not wikipedia and the Internet blogs and politically correct opinion news we find today. I did my research the real way people do research; thru hard work and long hours of fact finding; not simply regurgitating wikipedia. LOL ... If you want to be convinced by deception that islam is a peaceful religion, it's your right to be stupid. A simple research effort will reveal that I am speaking the truth about islam. This is the last reply I will make regarding the matter. You have a right to be deceived if you want. Jojo - Original Message - From: de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 3:29 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age Essentially, all that Jojo has written about Islam is flat-out incorrect. Lomax did a great job explaining and providing sources for the reality. I don't believe that Joho is doing so maliciously: he is, I believe, merely repeating misinformation that he has picked up elsewhere. Alas, given the current levels of Islamophobia he has plenty to choose from. I also believe that Jojo is not interested in genuine discussion or education on this matter, and so have merely pointed out for the benefit of anyone else interested here that his posts on Islam are deeply mistaken. If anyone on this list is interested in Islam, I'll be happy to discuss further, perhaps off-list. Cheers, Lawry Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: Are all muslims preoccupied with obsessions? Someone told me they have animal sex and it is advocated in the Koran. Could this be like a virus from (that activity) and a medical condition causing undue speculation as a mental syndrome. Does it make muslims to be insulted or mad to suggest this? I assume that the freedom of information act is allowed with OT posts, but if it aint I will cease and desist, but my opinion is just the whole subject is obsessional or just plain stupid. HDN Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: LS3 makes me feel creepier as it advances. Falls down and recovers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=hNUeSUXOc-w It reminded me of a disoriented wildebeest with loud servos attached to it. In five or ten iterations from now, it could be quiet and formidable. Eric
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age
At 12:58 PM 12/22/2012, Harvey Norris wrote: Are all muslims preoccupied with obsessions? Obsessed Muslims seem to be preoccupied with their obsessions, perhaps unlike other humans who Can Stop Anytime I Want, I Just Don't Want To. However, to know about all Muslims, I'd need to know about a billion people, by some counts. Not there yet. Someone told me they have animal sex and it is advocated in the Koran. Someone told you they have animal sex? Isn't that embarrasing? Did she or she say this in public? I don't recall it being mentioned in the Qur'an. So if they said that, they are lying with animals -- or at least about sex with them. That's prohibited in the Bible, isn't it? Deuteronomy 27:21/ Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen. Don't lie. It's a sin to tell a lie, even if the people say, Amen. Could this be like a virus from (that activity) and a medical condition causing undue speculation as a mental syndrome. Does it make muslims to be insulted or mad to suggest this? What, that your friend has animal sex? Or that obsessed Muslims are obsessed? Last time I checked, obsessed people, Muslim or not, don't like being told they are obsessed. Harvey, are you hanging out with weird people again?
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age
I went to Starbucks and asked for a Jojo Jaro and they recommended something. -Original Message- From: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Dec 22, 2012 10:15 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age Hey, I can't convince you if you don't do your own research. Everything I've said so far is the truth; and even muslim scholars acknowledge it. But if you rely on Wikipedia (stable or not) then you only have yourself to blame. You know, even in college, even before the Jihad aginst the Great Satan of 2001, I already knew more about Islam than many so called islam experts (who also claim to be physics expert but did not graduate.) My friends, I have done my research in real libraries, not wikipedia and the Internet blogs and politically correct opinion news we find today. I did my research the real way people do research; thru hard work and long hours of fact finding; not simply regurgitating wikipedia. LOL ... If you want to be convinced by deception that islam is a peaceful religion, it's your right to be stupid. A simple research effort will reveal that I am speaking the truth about islam. This is the last reply I will make regarding the matter. You have a right to be deceived if you want. Jojo - Original Message - From: de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 3:29 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age Essentially, all that Jojo has written about Islam is flat-out incorrect. Lomax did a great job explaining and providing sources for the reality. I don't believe that Joho is doing so maliciously: he is, I believe, merely repeating misinformation that he has picked up elsewhere. Alas, given the current levels of Islamophobia he has plenty to choose from. I also believe that Jojo is not interested in genuine discussion or education on this matter, and so have merely pointed out for the benefit of anyone else interested here that his posts on Islam are deeply mistaken. If anyone on this list is interested in Islam, I'll be happy to discuss further, perhaps off-list. Cheers, Lawry Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: Are all muslims preoccupied with obsessions? Someone told me they have animal sex and it is advocated in the Koran. Could this be like a virus from (that activity) and a medical condition causing undue speculation as a mental syndrome. Does it make muslims to be insulted or mad to suggest this? I assume that the freedom of information act is allowed with OT posts, but if it aint I will cease and desist, but my opinion is just the whole subject is obsessional or just plain stupid. HDN Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/
