Re: [Vo]:only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
I do not follow these theory debates. But it is my impression that people consider the W-L theory extremely far-fetched and physically impossible. They do not oppose it out of personal animosity. I find it a little annoying that the W-L proponents manage to put themselves front and center in the

Re: [Vo]:only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Peter Gluck
If it is physically impossible then it has to be ignored not attacked. It came as an alternative to many other theories that gave not much to the CF/LENR experiments- perhaps as a desperate solution.It is not easy to demonstrate that impossibillty. But it is really impossible, how could it had

Re: [Vo]:peer review coming

2013-03-21 Thread fznidarsic
I have had a lot of non-peer review PR. One of my supporters, The Alien Scientist, has just been bared by the internet police. Sorry this has happened. I have two books at Amazon and they sold some but not well. IE published numerous articles for me. Glen Robertson published one paper for me

[Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Edmund Storms
Peter has raised an important subject, but one so filled with emotion and complex arguments, knowing where to start is the problem. The discussion of theory we are witnessing is an indication of a deeper problem. Yes, CF is difficult to explain, but how we go about this discussion is

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Most chemists have no training in nuclear physics and most physicists have no training in chemistry. That is an exaggeration. They have *some* training. Unfortunately, many physicists believe they understand all aspects of Nature. That they

Fwd: Re: [Vo]:peer review coming

2013-03-21 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Thank you for your vote of confidence Chuck. I've have grown tired of this business and do not work on or think about new energy anymore. I don't even feel like working on the paper. It's time for me to move on. I may start on a new job teaching industrial electricity. This will take all

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: A 10 mW heat source may well be commercial in 20 years. It would be enough to drive a cell phone. Oops. No, it would take more like 12 W, I think. 3 W is the most a cell phone is allowed to produce, for health safety reasons. I suppose you could trickle charge the thing with a

[Vo]:Join with IBM

2013-03-21 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Original Message Subject: GlobalBEM Newsletter 03 From: Breakthrough Energy Movement newslet...@globalbem.com To: fznidar...@aol.com CC: Presentations online, new media website, 2013 conference, GlobalBEM 2.0

Re: [Vo]:Join with IBM

2013-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Believe me, IBM is NOT -- repeat NOT -- thinking about cold fusion. This is about conventional alternative energy. A place like IBM will be the last on earth to express interest in cold fusion. They have always been conservative. NI or Google, maybe. Not IBM. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Join with IBM

2013-03-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Believe me, IBM is NOT -- repeat NOT -- thinking about cold fusion. If not, why are they quoting Brian O'Leary? Weren't he and Gene buds?

Re: [Vo]:Join with IBM

2013-03-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Believe me, IBM is NOT -- repeat NOT -- thinking about cold fusion. If not, why are they quoting Brian O'Leary? Weren't he and Gene buds? OH, it

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC The long reach of history

2013-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
I read yesterday that two people in the U.S. are still receiving disability pensions from the Civil War, 148 years after it ended. They are both the children of Civil War veterans who were themselves disabled their entire lives and unable to work. Probably, their fathers died when they were very

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC The long reach of history

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Haynie
In 2004, the last widow of a civil war veteran died. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5106000/ns/us_news/t/last-widow-civil-war-veteran-dies/#.UUtlrLLOMkc Craig On 03/21/2013 03:52 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I read yesterday that two people in the U.S. are still receiving disability pensions from the

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Superconductors= No Electron Conduction

2013-03-21 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:51:45 +: Hi, Somehow I suspect that all they have shown is that their model is wrong. Un-particle? Are they suggesting hole current not balanced by electron current? From: Ron Kita [mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com] Sent:

RE: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
Jed, For cell phone the maximum power from the mobile is given by the equilibrium between Uplink (Handset - base station) and Downlink (Base station - Handset). Hopefully, base stations have a better maximum power and also a better sensitivity for the receive path (around -110 dBm). The mobile

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Superconductors= No Electron Conduction

2013-03-21 Thread Axil Axil
Recent experiments in superconductivity should concern the people who want to understand what is happening in a LENR lattice. http://phys.org/news/2013-03-electrons-cuprate-superconductors-defy-convention.html#ajTabs Since superconductivity and LENR have much in common, this new discovery could

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Axil Axil
The key mechanism of the WL theory is defined in a way to make it very hard or impossible to verify. The specification of the ultra-low energy neutron was engineered to make it virtually undetectable because it doesn’t move far from the nucleus before its immense nuclear absorption cross section

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The specification of the ultra-low energy neutron was engineered to make it virtually undetectable because it doesn’t move far from the nucleus before its immense nuclear absorption cross section results in its almost

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be wrote: At the beginning of a call, the mobile is emitting at full power. Then the power is decreased over time if reception conditions are good at base station. . . . For GSM 2G 900Mhz Band, the maximum power is 2W (33 dBm) For GSM 2G 1800Mhz Band,

Re: [Vo]:Join with IBM

2013-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: If not, why are they quoting Brian O'Leary? Weren't he and Gene buds? OH, it is Frank who injected IBM. Figures. Yeah, I don't see IBM listed anywhere but in the Subject heading. I presume that was the heading of the message sent to Frank Z. Maybe

[Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Edmund Storms
Here is the response by Krivit, which he asked be posted on the discussion groups. Ed Begin forwarded message: From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com Date: March 21, 2013 4:17:54 PM MDT To: Steven Krivit stev...@newenergytimes.com Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re:

RE: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
If the LENR mobile is coupled with a battery, then the battery will act as the main power supply when mobile is in call state. LENR power station should be seen here only has an embedded charger. In this condition, for the majority of the users, continuous tenth of mW is enough. In current

[Vo]:Peterson book chapter uploaded

2013-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peterson, C., *The Guardian Poplar, A Memoir of Deep Roots, Journey and Rediscovery. *2012, Salt Lake City: The University of Utah Press. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/PetersonCtheguardia.pdf Selected portions of chapter 12 from Chase Peterson?s autobiography. Peterson was president of the

RE: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Jones Beene
As you note, ultracold neutrons are an old and respected niche of physics - and these known cold neutrons are easily detectable and bear not the slightest resemblance to the W-L concoction – which IMHO is almost in the category of brain-dead. How can low energy be anything other than ultra-cold?

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be wrote: In current available mobiles, it is not possible to have continuous call at 2W for a long period of time before batteries get empty. So, in a dire emergency, present-day cell phones soon run out of power? I mean an emergency when cell phone tower

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: As you note, ultracold neutrons are an old and respected niche of physics - and these known cold neutrons are easily detectable and bear not the slightest resemblance to the W-L concoction – which IMHO is almost in the category of brain-dead. I think

[Vo]:Re: CMNS: PEACE

2013-03-21 Thread Edmund Storms
Ludwik, no fight is being prolonged. Steve made a response and I answered it. I plan no other response to him. Are you suggesting that differences of opinion be hidden? We must discuss theory and such discussions naturally create an emotional response. The only issue is that this be done

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Edmund Storms
On Mar 21, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: As you note, ultracold neutrons are an old and respected niche of physics - and these known cold neutrons are easily detectable and bear not the slightest resemblance to the W-L concoction – which

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The key mechanism of the WL theory is defined in a way to make it very hard or impossible to verify. As I said, I cannot judge the situation, but if that is the case, it is not falsifiable and therefore not a valid theory. It also sounds like what I call a

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The key mechanism of the WL theory is defined in a way to make it very hard or impossible to verify. As I said, I cannot judge the situation, but if that is the case, it is not

Re: [Vo]:Peterson book chapter uploaded

2013-03-21 Thread Alan Fletcher
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:29:38 PM Peterson, C., The Guardian Poplar, A Memoir of Deep Roots, Journey and Rediscovery. 2012, Salt Lake City: The University of Utah Press. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/PetersonCtheguardia.pdf Shout-out to lenr-canr : Unfortunately, the EPRI-NSF

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread pagnucco
Eric, The website you cite has data for ultracold neutrons (energy ~300 neV.) Could any LENR experiment ever produce such cold neutrons? Even at just room temp, thermal neutrons possess energy of ~30 meV. Wouldn't ultracold neutrons be a tiny part of the Boltzman distribution? The thermal

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:27 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: W-L electron capture may, or may not, occur, but AFAIK no one proposed that neutrons would be generated ultracold. I thought that ultracold and ultra low momentum were basically synonymous -- please correct me if I'm wrong. If

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: only a perfect LENR theory should attack other theories

2013-03-21 Thread pagnucco
Eric, If LENR neutrons are indeed generated as proposed by W-L, almost all will be in the thermal range - quite a low momentum by fusion standards. I believe some experimenters have detected escaping neutrons. I do not know whether their measurements are valid. If they are, we still have to