RE: [Vo]:A New Direction for Thermoelectric Cooling

2013-06-05 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Thanks Harry! Materials in which heat flows perpendicular to an electric current could lead to better devices for cooling electronics. Also wouldn't surprise me if there's a connection (figuratively and literally) between the perpendicularity of heat flow and electric current, and why the EM

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium

2013-06-05 Thread Axil Axil
I will post an interpretation of experiments involving exploding foils in water that show nuclear fission of uranium 238 far removed the site of the spark. This indicates to me that the cause of this fission is an electromagnetic pulse produced by polaritons created by the spark. References:

Re: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-05 Thread Axil Axil
Like gravity, the EMF can accumulate strength by a linier addition of unlimited charge. Where a black hole will form as mass reaches a critical limit, so too is it with EMF accumulation. In a system where a polariton condensate can be pumped to accumulate EMF in a dark mode, that is, directing

RE: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-05 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Roger, welcome. You might do a google search using 'attosecond physics'. and take a gander at this article: http://phys.org/news/2013-06-cool-electron.html Cool electron acceleration And are you off base??? Not enough info. Place a dime on the bar and take your turn on the box. ;-)

Re: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-05 Thread John Berry
These are good questions. The fine structure constant has been found to be quite inconstant at higher than normal energies. On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:06 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Roger, welcome… You might do a google search using ‘attosecond physics’…

RE: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-05 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Well, John, I guess they're closin' the bar. everybody has gone home. C Ya! -mi From: John Berry [mailto:berry.joh...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 1:21 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:I confess These are good questions. The fine structure constant has been

Re: [Vo]:Photos and slides from June 3rd meeting on LENR @ Brussels

2013-06-05 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2013-06-04 21:12, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, Here are the remaining links, just in case: New advancements on the Fleischmann-Pons Effect 3) Graham K. Hubler http://22passi.blogspot.com/2013/06/new-advancements-on-fleischmann-pons_5.html New advancements on the Fleischmann-Pons

RE: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-05 Thread Roger B
I didn't even know that it comes through. I don't see anything on my side and did not know that it was even Comic Sans MS. This is now Tahoma, but if I switch to say Verdana there is no change on my side. So, I didn't even know that I was in Comic Sans MS. I will leave it on Verdana and see

Re: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-05 Thread Leonard Arbuthnot
I often describe the high energy physics approach to be akin to someone trying to determine how a car works by smashing two cars into each other at increasingly higher speeds and watching the trajectory of the bits that fly off. From: Roger B

RE: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-05 Thread Roger B
So, my idea is still viable? (:-) Roger Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 01:38:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:I confess From: hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Hi Roger, There may be transition range well below c but still very very fast by everyday experience which gives rise to the condition

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-05 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 5-6-2013 1:49, Kevin O'Malley wrote: I'm not arguing for banning Joshua Cude. I'm saying he should be given a timeout, to return in one day (if he wishes) but then he has an assigned thread that he will be expected to babysit. The thread would be something like Joshua Cude Returns.

Re: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-05 Thread John Berry
Well that didn't last long. Comic Sans must be your default. Also your font is still a bit large. Not that there is anything wrong with that. John On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Roger B rogerbi...@hotmail.com wrote: So, my idea is still viable? (:-) Roger

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Roger B: No, LENR and UFOs are not in the same category. LENR has lots of physical evidence. The so-called physical evidence for UFOs is very weak if not non-existent. I disagree. They are very much in the same category. In many cases trying to produce a LENR phenomenon has

Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...

2013-06-05 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jun 4, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Ed, On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:15 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On May 30, 2013, at 11:39

[Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread Mark Gibbs
Teh Google knows all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_Sans And see: http://bancomicsans.com/main/ [mg] On Tuesday, June 4, 2013, Rich Murray wrote: uh, what is Comic Sans ? clueless in Imperial Beach, CA, Rich On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium

2013-06-05 Thread pagnucco
Axil, Possible. But the theory is very complex, and probably off-putting to most experimentalists. Few will analyze it. It's far too complicated for me to judge. Have any other groups replicated the findings? -- Lou Pagnucco Axil wrote: I will post an interpretation of experiments

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium

2013-06-05 Thread pagnucco
Axil, Never mind. To answer my own question, here is a replication: Effect of Recrystallization on Heat Output and Surface Composition of Ti and Pd Cathodes J. Dash, J. Solomon, Portland State University, Portland, OR, USA

RE: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-05 Thread Roger B
I do like to see what I am typing. I am 67, and this dumb-ass Outlook has size 12 and 16 and nothing in between. (:-) Roger Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 00:31:33 +1200 Subject: Re: [Vo]:I confess From: berry.joh...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Well that didn't last long.Comic Sans must be

RE: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-05 Thread DJ Cravens
if you think some else's font is to large it is best to be forgiving/understanding and then change your screen magnification. You never know what they may have to use to type/read Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 00:31:33 +1200 Subject: Re: [Vo]:I confess From: berry.joh...@gmail.com To:

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread Roger B
Steven, I meant that UFOs are merely a fascination or distraction for the rest of us. I am sure that psychology therapy was probably necessary for those who experienced it directly, especially the closer encounters. Roger From: orionwo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE:

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread Roger B
What the font is going on here!! Do you think that I am some kind of pathofont, or scripto-path. I think that it is a conspiracy of fontical correctness. Do font companies hire you guys to try to promote their fonts. You guys are all font deniers. I believe in FREEDOM OF FONTNESS. (:-)

Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Roger B rogerbi...@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 9:54:52 AM What the f o n t is going on here!! Much better ... but I know that you jest. Otherwise you would have included block and shadowed fonts.

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread Roger B
I can't do block and shadowed fonts. Perhaps I should switch to my other email client and see if it has those features. Roger Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:59:31 -0700 From: a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to

[Vo]:Preliminary SPICE thermal model report (130605)

2013-06-05 Thread Alan Fletcher
I have completed my work on an initial ladder model of the hotcat http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_hotcat_may2003_spice_130605.php It's a long document, but I summarize the results in section 2. (No need to read the rest unless you want to see how I got there). It confirms my initial guess that a

[Vo]:Celani, Rossi Ni62

2013-06-05 Thread Jones Beene
Here is the $64 question... or should I say $62 dollar question. Does Celani's success last year, combined with the failure of (many) others to replicate the Celani effect in constantan wire- tell us anything about Rossi's claim of Ni-62 activity? They seem completely unconnected, at first take.

[Vo]:NETimes reports on failed Rossi test...

2013-06-05 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
FYI: More Ethics Questions: Uppsala University Hides Failed E-Cat Test http://news.newenergytimes.net/2013/06/04/more-ethics-questions-uppsala-univ ersity-hides-failed-e-cat-test/ This was posted in the comment section by MY on Mats site: In an interesting new

[Vo]:FYI: New experiments challenge fundamental understanding of electromagnetism

2013-06-05 Thread Mark Iverson
FYI: http://phys.org/news/2012-11-fundamental-electromagnetism.html Possible connection to Mills' f/H or inverse rydberg states??? If 20 of titanium's 22 electrons are removed, it becomes a highly charged ion that looks in many ways like a helium atom that has been shrunk to a tenth its

Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is what I don't get about these people. Suppose cold fusion is a mistake, or fraud. It is inconsequential. The worst that can happen is that a few retired professors waste their time and Rossi steals some money. I can understand why people get worked up about other scientific controversies

Re: [Vo]:Unidentified subject!

2013-06-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
DELETE THIS MESSAGE! BAN THIS PERSON IMMEDIATELY DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK! Google tells me this is a phishing site. - Jed On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Analog Fan analogit...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.meerundmehr.at/ohbogve/vanvd.php

Re: [Vo]:NETimes reports on failed Rossi test...

2013-06-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
To answer Mary Yugo's question on Mats' site: Frankly, I am amazed that Rossi would ever allow such a test. The rest of the article is behind a pay wall. Mats, do you know anything more about this test? If so, what happened?” Rossi has allowed many independent tests. Several of them have

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread Roger B
There must be a reason, Jed, even if we don't know what it is. The only thing that I can think of is that cold fusion is a threat in some sense to people. If a BigFoot flying a saucer should land on the White House lawn and say (in broken English), Howdy, it would cause a lot of excitement,

Re: [Vo]:NETimes reports on failed Rossi test...

2013-06-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
The post is here, along with some comments by Abd, me and others: https://matslew.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/criticism-praise-and-comments-on-the-swedish-italian-e-cat-report/ I told Abd he should stop worrying about a fraud. If this is fraud it is a trivial matter for the police to deal with. If

Re: [Vo]:Celani, Rossi Ni62

2013-06-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: BTW - Can anyone confirm that his work has stagnated ? Ask the people at the MFMP. They are in contact with Celani. It looks stalled to me, and they seem frustrated. They are straight shooters and they will tell you the truth. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Preliminary SPICE thermal model report (130605)

2013-06-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is a remarkable report. It looks you put a lot of work into it. Well done! - Jed

[Vo]:update from the MFMP project

2013-06-05 Thread Harry Veeder
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/follow-4/271-s-g-cells-preliminary-test-findings-for-run-2 The first test run of the Steel and Glass cell suggested that it took approximately 6% more power to maintain the same volume of water at the same temperature in the control cell when

Re: [Vo]:FYI: New experiments challenge fundamental understanding of electromagnetism

2013-06-05 Thread Harry Veeder
I wonder what Randall Mills would predict. Harry On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Mark Iverson markiver...@charter.netwrote: FYI: http://phys.org/news/2012-11-fundamental-electromagnetism.html ** ** Possible connection to Mills’ f/H or inverse rydberg states??? ** ** If

Re: [Vo]:NETimes reports on failed Rossi test...

2013-06-05 Thread Claudio C Fiorini
It is perhaps interesting to know, that the ecat was planned to undergo a real calorimetric test with professional instruments in a professional environment. An then... poff the ecat was broken before the test started.

Re: [Vo]:update from the MFMP project

2013-06-05 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2013-06-05 21:29, Harry Veeder wrote: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/follow-4/271-s-g-cells-preliminary-test-findings-for-run-2 The first test run of the Steel and Glass cell suggested that it took approximately 6% more power to maintain the same volume of water at the same

Re: [Vo]:NETimes reports on failed Rossi test...

2013-06-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Claudio C Fiorini claudio.c.fior...@gmail.com wrote: It is perhaps interesting to know, that the ecat was planned to undergo a real calorimetric test with professional instruments in a professional environment. An then... poff the ecat was broken before the test started. When and

Re: [Vo]:NETimes reports on failed Rossi test...

2013-06-05 Thread Daniel Rocha
So, it was before the tests present in the paper. So, it doesn't count! Or was it the test that melted? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

[Vo]:The success rate for the Fleischmann Pons experiment depends on how you look at it

2013-06-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Over at this web page: http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/looking-for-one-reproducible-lenr-experiment The author asks a perennial question: I know that these experiments are hard to execute and take a long time to run, but if LENR is so clearly real, it seems like at least one experiment should

[Vo]:Re: [nVo] Moletrap discussions on the independent report on Rossi's Hot Cat

2013-06-05 Thread Alan Fletcher
NOTE : this is being sent to vortex AND new-vortex I hope it works! From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 2:50:08 PM Subject: [nVo] Moletrap discussions on the independent report on Rossi's Hot Cat Seriously, folks. the one issue that keeps

Re: [Vo]:NETimes reports on failed Rossi test...

2013-06-05 Thread Claudio C Fiorini
When and where was this? - Jed Ask prof. Sven Kullander (ret.) or prof. Göran Göran Ericsson from Uppsala university or read the NET-article. Location was TSL (The Svedberg Laboratory) in Uppsala/Sweden - www.tsl.uu.se. It was after the failed test in Bologna (by SP Technical Research

RE: [Vo]:update from the MFMP project

2013-06-05 Thread Jones Beene
This kind of side-by-side comparison run should be extremely accurate - but the problem, HUGE problem, is that the control is nichrome, which could itself be active - in fact, quite active. Typical composition of nichrome is 80% Ni, 20% Cr and in terms of Rossi's pronouncement, the control wire

Re: [Vo]:NETimes reports on failed Rossi test...

2013-06-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Claudio C Fiorini claudio.c.fior...@gmail.com wrote: An then... poff the ecat was broken before the test started. I think what Daniel Rocha was asking you is: Do you count the November 2012 test, when the cell melted, as one that went poff? The ecat was definitely broken. Despite that,

RE: [Vo]:On deception

2013-06-05 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Lately I've come to embrace a different understanding and more tolerant view of debunkers, a metaphysical view if you will: As an analogy, consider that people are playing a virtual reality game ( they're in their own private holodeck ). The game they're playing is private and had a set of

Re: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-05 Thread ken deboer
RE; Font I for one can readily tolerate font EXCURSIONS. Especially since the earlier thread on it was absolutely hilarious. Alan's instant classic like a car full of screaming clowns was itself worth twice the size. Made my day On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:41 AM, DJ Cravens

Re: [Vo]:NETimes reports on failed Rossi test...

2013-06-05 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Claudio C Fiorini claudio.c.fior...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 2:14:40 PM It was after the failed test in Bologna (by SP Technical Research Institute of Sweden, September 6, 2012), in early october 2012. This was only a failure because the technician saw that Rossi wasn't

Re: [Vo]:Re: [nVo] Moletrap discussions on the independent report on Rossi's Hot Cat

2013-06-05 Thread David Roberson
Alan, I am interested in your model and have a question. For some reason I did not locate the case where thermal run away occurred. I suspect that I missed that in the large volume of material. Could you direct me to that location? You mention that I may be assuming a linear internal power

Re: [Vo]:Celani, Rossi Ni62

2013-06-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: AHA! That could related to changes in the treatment process. Celani has stated before that he bought the wire pretreated and samples were seen that had a visible wire coating which was burnt off - but then perhaps the

Re: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-05 Thread Terry Blanton
Roger, Open a gmail account. WYSIWYG.

Re: [Vo]:Re: [nVo] Moletrap discussions on the independent report on Rossi's Hot Cat

2013-06-05 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 3:14:05 PM Alan, I am interested in your model and have a question. For some reason I did not locate the case where thermal run away occurred. I suspect that I missed that in the large volume of material. Could you

Re: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-05 Thread leaking pen
This. Outlook is for suckers and people required to use it at the office. On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Roger, Open a gmail account. WYSIWYG.

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Roger: I meant that UFOs are merely a fascination or distraction for the rest of us. Agreed. I am sure that psychology therapy was probably necessary for those who experienced it directly, especially the closer encounters. I'd say some do need counseling from experienced

[Vo]:gmail

2013-06-05 Thread Roger B
I am unable to subscribe using gmail. I send the subscription address and gmail I think keeps telling me that I have to have real address. And anyway, WYSIWYG did not work for me. I got the same font no matter which one I selected. Roger

Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:01 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I suspect this phenomenon has been around for a very long time… perhaps since we first became sentient. And maybe how we became so.

Re: [Vo]:gmail

2013-06-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Roger B rogerbi...@hotmail.com wrote: I am unable to subscribe using gmail. I send the subscription address and gmail I think keeps telling me that I have to have real address. Go to mail.google.com and open a gmail account. Then, using that account, send a

[Vo]:Johannes Kepler's 4th Law of Planetary Motion

2013-06-05 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
During the past decade or so... during what little free time I have had at my disposal, I have occasionally found myself constructing extensive computer simulations to study the physics known as planetary motion. This means I've spend a lot of time studying elliptical orbits as originally defined

Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread William Beaty
On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: They only reacted this way to cold fusion. I will never understand why. Well, CF is an example of traditional alchemy: transmutation of elements via basic chemistry. If CF is real, then not only does this demonstrate that modern chemistry has a huge

Re: [Vo]:Johannes Kepler's 4th Law of Planetary Motion

2013-06-05 Thread mixent
In reply to OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson's message of Wed, 5 Jun 2013 20:57:45 -0500: Hi Steven, [snip] Special case 2: This includes the unique circumstance where there exists zero angular momentum, (where the orbital eccentricity is 1). What happens in this case is that the satellite

Re: [Vo]:Johannes Kepler's 4th Law of Planetary Motion

2013-06-05 Thread ChemE Stewart
I like it. I will add that in addition, in order to conform to my new quantum theory of gravity, those planets will actually have black brane cores and magnetic fields strings and will be streaming energetic and massive quantum particles and strings within the gravitational wind between the

[Vo]:unsubscribe

2013-06-05 Thread Roger B
“I am Life Eternal. I was Krishna, I was Buddha, I was Jesus and now I am Meher Baba.” Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 22:49:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Johannes Kepler's 4th Law of Planetary Motion From: cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I like it. I will add that in addition, in order to

[Vo]:AC/DC, power, etc.

2013-06-05 Thread Berke Durak
David Roberson wrote: I have not seen an indication that that power meter senses DC directly. The DC that flows into of from the source supply does not need to be sensed in order to calculate the power being delivered from that source. I realize that this seems contrary to common sense,

Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread Ron Kita
Robert Park is 82 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._Park In my cabinet I have a bottle to celebrate his no longer finding a use for oxygen. Also..I will debunk his death...as will others. Ron Kita On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:06 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Wed, 5 Jun

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread Craig Brown
Naval scientist Eldon Byrd put it rather succinctly when he said – “What major contribution has any sceptic made to the betterment of humankind? How many Mother Teresa’s have they produced? How many great scientific discoveries have they made? Many of them are like movie critics–useless and

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread Craig Brown
The Bob Park of his dayRichard van der Riet Wooley (Astronomer Royal) Fellow of the Royal Society, Gold Medal of the Royal Astronomical Society “The whole procedure [of shooting rockets into space]…presents difficulties of so fundamental a nature, that we are forced to dismiss the notion as

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
If CF is real... ... and all the young students will want to emulate famous chemists (or famous crazy gold-makers). more likely engineers! After all, it may very well be an engineer who gets to market first... ;-) -Mark -Original Message- From: William Beaty [mailto:bi...@eskimo.com]

Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread Berke Durak
I can talk crazy too, here's my 5¢. In addition to the powerful energy lobbies, I believe CF would unlock new physics, and that means new weapons. Now that could be kind-of-OK if developing those new weapons requires nation-state-level funding for decades, but if it allows any Joe McTerrorist to

Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-05 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Here is what I don't get about these people. Suppose cold fusion is a mistake, or fraud. It is inconsequential. The worst that can happen is that a few retired professors waste their time and Rossi steals some money. I