date:20131212

Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

I think the folks of Shanghai might disagree with that one.


Why Shanghai? What's the news from Shanghai?

- Jed

[Vo]:Scientists Discover Quick Recipe for Producing Hydrogen

2013-12-12 Thread Roarty, Francis X

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/12/131208133616.htm
[snip]In a microscopic high-pressure cooker called a diamond anvil cell (within 
a tiny space about as wide as a pencil lead), combine ingredients: aluminum 
oxide, water, and the mineral olivine. Set at 200 to 300 degrees Celsius and 2 
kilobars pressure -- comparable to conditions found at twice the depth of the 
deepest ocean. Cook for 24 hours. And voilà.[/snip]


I think this is also related to anomalous heat in the same manner as Lyne 
Atomic Hydrogen furnace, MAHG, Rossi and Mills..possibly even Papp because at 
these temperatures and confinements we are forming dielectrics and plasmas from 
the vapors and geometries of these these tiny cookers. In fact there may not 
even be such a thing as a WET anomalous cell at the nano scale... I am 
suggesting that at the scale of the these  anomalous environments the catalytic 
confinement powering these reactions result in gas and plasma reactions.  The 
lesser claims related to wet cell electrolysis may be only a function of higher 
heat sinking by nearby liquids. This posit would make electrolytic phenomena 
like bubble fusion and sonoluminescence harder to exploit but much more robust 
in terms of independence from persistent geometry.
Fran

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

Here is a graph of U.S. PV solar installations per quarter since 2010. It
shows rapid growth:

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2013/12/more-records-for-quarterly-us-solar-installations

It shows 930 MW in the July-September quarter. That means 930 MW peak
output from the solar cells, not 930 MW of 24-hour baseline capacity. 930
MW baseline would be the output from an average U.S. nuclear plant. I do
not know the capacity factor for solar. For wind it is roughly 30% of
nameplate capacity.

The peak of PV solar output matches peak demand in many places, unlike wind
which tends to peak at night.

Here is a recent graph of wind turbine output versus total power
consumption in Denmark:

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2013/12/postcard-from-the-future-122-wind-power-in-denmark

You can see that wind is quite intermittent even on the scale of the entire
landmass of Denmark. The good news is, with today's weather forecasting you
can predict approximately how much power turbines over a large area will
produce for the next few days, so you can schedule other dispatchable
energy sources.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

They say that there is nothing new under the sun. This applies to wet LENR.
Back in the 1960’s Joe Papp used the wet LENR formula to blast a crater
into the hardpan desert floor of the California desert.

Engineering is the art of turning disadvantage tp your fullest advantage.
Joe Papp did this by amplifying the explosive nature of the wet LENR
process to drive a piston.

Joe was after explosive pressure increase and not heat production and wet
LENR reaction gave him that explosiveness in abundance.

When dielectric gases like oxygen and chlorine and some other noble gases
are added to hydrogen, you get an unstable, hard to control and explosive
mix which is great for a pressure based internal explosion discharge engine.

Those who want to use water in their LENR mix should look to other
engineering solutions other than the electrolytic cell.




On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Unfortunately there remains very little evidence that hints at a
 correlation between transmutations and excess heat. The Miley work has not
 been replicated and remains ambiguous, albeit interesting. Results cited by
 Krivit in Naturwissenschaften do not reveal anything convincing. Nowhere in
 their ICCF 17 or 18 papers do DGT claim transmutations as the prime
 mover for excess heat; at best they insinuate it may be a contributor.  ...


 Thank you for the good summary.  Basically, at the end of 2013, here's
 what we know for sure about NiH:

- We think there might be something going on, but aren't sure.
- Some people doing experiments have said some things.
- Any excess heat might or might not have something to do with
transmutations.

 I'm hoping the rate at which we acquire knowledge on this topic will speed
 up a little in 2014.

 Eric

[Vo]:Authors at LENR-CANR.org should check to see if all papers are on file

I am sending lists of papers to authors. I am asking them to check for
missing papers, or to contribute full text papers not on file if they would
like to.

This is taking a while. If you are an author and you would like to see the
list of your papers now, please contact me. Or, you can go to this screen,
click on the Search button, and enter your name under All Authors:

http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1095

Here is an example of a list, for my name. Item 1 shows a paper where
Mallove is the first author. The full text paper is on file with the
filename MalloveEthepseudos.pdf. Items 5 and 6 are listed in the index but
the full text papers are not uploaded.

The list is sorted by the first author name and the date of publication.

1. Mallove, E. and J. Rothwell, *The pseudoscientists of APS.* Infinite
Energy, 1999. *5*(25): p. 23Y MalloveEthepseudos.

2. Mizuno, T. and J. Rothwell. *Poster for 'Method of controlling a
chemically-induced nuclear reaction in metal nanoparticles'*. in *ICCF18
Conference*. 2013. University of Missouri Y MizunoTposterform.

3. Nagel, D.J., et al., eds. *Proceedings of the 14th International
Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science (ICCF-14)*. Vol. 1. 2010 Y
NagelDJproceeding.

4. Nagel, D.J., et al., eds. *Proceedings of the 14th International
Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science (ICCF-14)*. Vol. 2. 2010 Y
NagelDJproceedinga.

5. Rothwell, J., *Highlights of the Fifth International Conference on Cold
Fusion.* Infinite Energy, 1995. *1*(2): p. 8

6. Rothwell, J., *Very hot cold fusion: Dr. Mizuno's ceramic proton
conductors.* Infinite Energy, 1995. *1*(1): p. 14

7. Rothwell, J., *Review of McKubre, M. C. H., et al., Development of
Advanced Concepts for Nuclear Processes in Deuterated Metals, EPRI
TR-104195.* Infinite Energy, 1996(11)Y RothwellJreviewofmc.
. . .


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Scientists Discover Quick Recipe for Producing Hydrogen

 In fact there may not even be such a thing as a “WET” anomalous cell at
 the nano scale… I am suggesting that at the scale of the these  anomalous
 environments the catalytic confinement powering these reactions result in
 gas and plasma reactions.  The lesser claims related to wet cell
 electrolysis may be only a function of higher heat sinking by nearby
 liquids. This posit would make electrolytic phenomena like bubble fusion
 and sonoluminescence harder to exploit but much more robust in terms of
 independence from persistent geometry.


   Regarding persistent geometry


Nano-engineers are developing cavitation bubble based technology to produce
industrial 10 micron diamonds out of graphite.



This amazing transformation process from graphite to diamond just takes
nanoseconds at tremendous pressures and temperatures.



http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/pt/diamond/pdf/drm17-931.pdf



Based on your posit, it is really naive  to think that the fixed cavity
based active nuclear environment will long withstand such pressures and
temperatures on the surface of the electrodes in an electrolytic cell.

[Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

2013-12-12 Thread Ron Wormus



http://a-sheep-no-more.blogspot.com/2013/12/9th-grade-science-project-finds-plants_3.html

This would be an interesting experiment to repeat with plants at varying 
distance from the same router to see if there's a dose response effect. 
 Even better would be cellular culture, but that's harder to manage 
without a lab.


I think I will move my router further away from my desktop.
Ron

Re: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

Snope.


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Ron Wormus prot...@frii.com wrote:


 http://a-sheep-no-more.blogspot.com/2013/12/9th-
 grade-science-project-finds-plants_3.html

 This would be an interesting experiment to repeat with plants at varying
 distance from the same router to see if there's a dose response effect.
  Even better would be cellular culture, but that's harder to manage without
 a lab.

 I think I will move my router further away from my desktop.
 Ron

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Scientists Discover Quick Recipe for Producing Hydrogen

2013-12-12 Thread Roarty, Francis X

Axil, we are in agreement over the value of cavitation bubbles which by 
constant recreation avoid the need for persistent geometry and may even provide 
a control feature for the reaction. I even agree that it is CURRENTLY naïve to 
think persistent geometry will long withstand the pressures and temperatures 
involved but your arguments begs a follow up question.. Do you  consider the 
powder to be changing geometry inside the Rossi reactor or are you counting the 
plasma as geometry in a  kind of Papp or sonofusion sort of way? Historically 
both Patterson beads and MAHG are examples of destruction in both type of cells 
with persistent geometry, the issue so far is that the bubbles have not 
released near as much energy - are you suggesting the  Rossi plasma inside the 
fixed geometry formed by powder is a form of cavitation?
Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:03 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Scientists Discover Quick Recipe for Producing 
Hydrogen



 In fact there may not even be such a thing as a WET anomalous cell at the 
nano scale... I am suggesting that at the scale of the these  anomalous 
environments the catalytic confinement powering these reactions result in gas 
and plasma reactions.  The lesser claims related to wet cell electrolysis may 
be only a function of higher heat sinking by nearby liquids. This posit would 
make electrolytic phenomena like bubble fusion and sonoluminescence harder to 
exploit but much more robust in terms of independence from persistent geometry.

 Regarding persistent geometry


Nano-engineers are developing cavitation bubble based technology to produce 
industrial 10 micron diamonds out of graphite.



This amazing transformation process from graphite to diamond just takes 
nanoseconds at tremendous pressures and temperatures.



http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/pt/diamond/pdf/drm17-931.pdf



Based on your posit, it is really naive  to think that the fixed cavity based 
active nuclear environment will long withstand such pressures and temperatures 
on the surface of the electrodes in an electrolytic cell.

Re: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

Ron Wormus prot...@frii.com wrote:


 I think I will move my router further away from my desktop.


Yup. I did that last spring.

Here is a well-known graph of radiation:

http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/smartmeterhealth1.jpg

It seems to indicate there should be no problem. If this research is
replicated, this may indicate there is a huge problem, especially with cell
phones used many hours per day.


Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

Snope.


This is research, not a rumor. Snopes.com cannot address it. To determine
whether it is valid or not, we will have to see if it can be replicated.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

2013-12-12 Thread Jones Beene

OTOH .

 

This could be good news :-) 

 

At least for those concerned about the risk of brain cancer from
cell-phones, which are in the same UHF frequency range. 

 

Heck, using the same logic (or lack thereof) maybe UHF radiation kills
cancer cells. one would not think that UHF could both promote cancer and
also stifle cellular development in plants, right?

 

 

 

Ron Wormus wrote:


http://a-sheep-no-more.blogspot.com/2013/12/9th-grade-science-project-finds
-plants_3.html

This would be an interesting experiment to repeat with plants at varying
distance from the same router to see if there's a dose response effect.
Even better would be cellular culture, but that's harder to manage without a
lab.

I think I will move my router further away from my desktop.
Ron

[Vo]:The Amplituhedron : a paradigm shift in progress ?

2013-12-12 Thread Alan Fletcher

This is really in reply to 
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg86584.html

[Vo]:A Quantum Jewel

Terry Blanton Tue, 08 Oct 2013 06:26:30 -0700
...

which for some strange reason isn't showing up in my mail.


The Amplituhedron
http://arxiv.org/abs/1312.2007

Also see 

Scientists Discover a Jewel at the Heart of Quantum Physics
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/12/amplituhedron-jewel-quantum-physics/
all/

and some interesting comments by Woit

Latest on Amplitudes
http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=6476

The next two  Woit articles also have some comments on careers in science in 
the face of collapsing theories and paradigm shifts:

What’s Next?
http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=6457

Peter Higgs: “Today I wouldn’t get an academic job. It’s as simple as that”
http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=6459

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Scientists Discover Quick Recipe for Producing Hydrogen

The Ni/H reactor builds nano-cavities on-the-fly and in real time as a
dynamic process.

Here is how it is done…

http://physics.aps.org/articles/v6/134


These nano-cavities are continually created by dynamic forses and distroyed
by the LENR reactions.


This dynamic micro/nano particle building process is why the Ni/H reactor
is a puled power based device; Rossi uses heat pulses and DGT uses spark
pulses.

Each new input power pulse generates fresh particle aggregates.


The Brillouin Energy system also uses pulsed power. And finally, the Papp
engine uses spark pulsation.


As a general principle, power pulsation of various forms is used to create
small mobile particles that aggregate together to create the billions of
nuclear active environments.


As a power amplification mechanism, the large nickel particles in the Ni/H
reactor are only used to transfer plasmonic power to these smaller
dynamically forming particle aggregates.







On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Roarty, Francis X 
francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:

  Axil, we are in agreement over the value of cavitation bubbles which by
 constant recreation avoid the need for persistent geometry and may even
 provide a control feature for the reaction. I even agree that it is
 CURRENTLY naïve to think persistent geometry will long withstand the
 pressures and temperatures involved but your arguments begs a follow up
 question.. Do you  consider the powder to be changing geometry inside the
 Rossi reactor or are you counting the plasma as geometry in a  kind of Papp
 or sonofusion sort of way? Historically both Patterson beads and MAHG are
 examples of destruction in both type of cells with persistent geometry, the
 issue so far is that the bubbles have not released near as much energy –
 are you suggesting the  Rossi plasma inside the fixed geometry formed by
 powder is a form of cavitation?

 Fran



 *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:03 AM
 *To:* vortex-l
 *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Scientists Discover Quick Recipe for
 Producing Hydrogen







   In fact there may not even be such a thing as a “WET” anomalous
 cell at the nano scale… I am suggesting that at the scale of the these
  anomalous environments the catalytic confinement powering these reactions
 result in gas and plasma reactions.  The lesser claims related to wet cell
 electrolysis may be only a function of higher heat sinking by nearby
 liquids. This posit would make electrolytic phenomena like bubble fusion
 and sonoluminescence harder to exploit but much more robust in terms of
 independence from persistent geometry.



  Regarding persistent geometry



 Nano-engineers are developing cavitation bubble based technology to
 produce industrial 10 micron diamonds out of graphite.



 This amazing transformation process from graphite to diamond just takes
 nanoseconds at tremendous pressures and temperatures.



 http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/pt/diamond/pdf/drm17-931.pdf



 Based on your posit, it is really naive  to think that the fixed cavity
 based active nuclear environment will long withstand such pressures and
 temperatures on the surface of the electrodes in an electrolytic cell.

[Vo]:IBM generates room temperature BEC

2013-12-12 Thread Kevin O'Malley

Once again, Y.E. Kim's BEC theory gets a leg up, if IBM really has
generated a room temp BEC.  The guys at Exbits don't seem to realize the
implications reach far beyond computing.

IBM’s Achievement

In 1995 this was demonstrated for the first time at these extreme
temperatures, but today in a paper appearing in *Nature Materials*, IBM
scientists have achieved the same state at room temperature using a thin
non-crystalline polymer film developed by chemists at the University of
Wuppertal in Germany.







*I**BM’s Scientific Breakthrough Could Enable Lower-Cost High-Performance
Big Data Systems.* http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3101069/posts
 *Xbitlabs ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20131210235559_IBM_s_Scientific_Breakthrough_Could_Enable_Lower_Cost_High_Performance_Big_Data_Systems.html
* | 12/10/2013 11:55 PM | Anton Shilov

  http://www.freerepublic.com/%7Eernestatthebeach/

For the first time, scientists at IBM Research have demonstrated a complex
quantum mechanical phenomenon known as Bose-Einstein condensation (BEC),
using a luminescent polymer (plastic) similar to the materials in light
emitting displays used in many of today's smartphones. Applications could
include energy-efficient lasers and optical switches, critical components
for future computer systems processing Big Data

Quantum Phenomenon Could Mean Breakthrough for Exascale Systems

This discovery has potential applications in developing novel
optoelectronic devices including energy-efficient lasers and ultra-fast
optical switches – critical components for powering future computer systems
to process massive Big Data workloads. The use of a polymer material and
the observation of BEC at room temperature provides substantial advantages
in terms of applicability and cost.

IBM scientists around the world are focused on an ambitious data centric
exascale computing program, which is aimed at developing systems that can
process massive data workloads fifty times faster than today. Such a system
will need optical interconnects capable of high-speed processing of
Petabytes to Exabytes of Big Data. This will enable high-performance
analytics for: energy grids, life sciences, financial modelling, business
intelligence and weather and climate forecasting.

Bose-Einstein Condensation

The complex phenomenon IBM scientists demonstrated at room temperature is
named after the renown scientists Satyendranath Bose and Albert Einstein
who first predicted it in the mid-1920s and only later experimentally
proven in 1995.

A Bose-Einstein Condensate is a peculiar state of matter which occurs when
a dilute gas of particles (bosons) are cooled to nearly absolute zero
(-273°C, -459°F). At this temperature intriguing macroscopic quantum
phenomena occur in which the bosons all line up like ballroom dancers.

(Excerpt) Read more at
xbitlabs.comhttp://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20131210235559_IBM_s_Scientific_Breakthrough_Could_Enable_Lower_Cost_High_Performance_Big_Data_Systems.html...

Re: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

Guys,

I think Doppler Weather and Military radar pulsing 750,000 to 3,000,000
watts 24/7 into the atmosphere is potentially the worst of the offenders.
The NEXRAD Doppler weather towers cover a 150 mile radius. In Sitka,
Alaska, within that 150 mile radius, the Yellow Cedar trees are slowly
wasting/dying, they are having blown/toxic algae blooms, fish/salmon kills
and star fish dissolving. To me, that is a sign of penetrating, ionizing
radiation. No long term study has ever been done.

Cell towers are around 100,000 watts each tower, I believe, but there are
many more of them.

I am seeing something similar across the country around NEXRAD/TDWR towers.
I am in the process of running the statistics on two years of data in
Florida

If time does not exist and you can't average those pulses and figure you
are OK, you have to consider what those instantaneous pulses are doing to
biology 24/7. It is no wonder bees, bats, starfish, trees, chronic wasting
disease in animals are increasing as well as Autism and Alzheimers. I think
we have F^%^% up royally

Stewart

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

OTOH …

This could be good news J

At least for those concerned about the risk of brain cancer from
cell-phones, which are in the same UHF frequency range.

Heck, using the same logic (or lack thereof) maybe UHF radiation kills
cancer cells… one would not think that UHF could both promote cancer and
also stifle cellular development in plants, right?

Ron Wormus wrote:

http://a-sheep-no-more.blogspot.com/2013/12/9th-grade-science-project-finds-plants_3.html

This would be an interesting experiment to repeat with plants at varying
distance from the same router to see if there's a dose response effect.
Even better would be cellular culture, but that's harder to manage without
a lab.

I think I will move my router further away from my desktop.
Ron

Re: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

2013-12-12 Thread leaking pen

Waldo anyone?

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:19 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

Guys,

Cell towers are around 100,000 watts each tower, I believe, but there are
many more of them.

I am seeing something similar across the country around NEXRAD/TDWR
towers. I am in the process of running the statistics on two years of
data in Florida

Stewart

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

OTOH …

This could be good news J

At least for those concerned about the risk of brain cancer from
cell-phones, which are in the same UHF frequency range.

Heck, using the same logic (or lack thereof) maybe UHF radiation kills
cancer cells… one would not think that UHF could both promote cancer and
also stifle cellular development in plants, right?

Ron Wormus wrote:

http://a-sheep-no-more.blogspot.com/2013/12/9th-grade-science-project-finds-plants_3.html

I think I will move my router further away from my desktop.
Ron

Re: [Vo]:The Amplituhedron : a paradigm shift in progress ?

I have been expanding my data/theory on quantum dark/vacuum energy making
up our gravity field with the Sun and triggering weather disturbances if
anybody is interested.

http://darkmattersalot.com/2013/04/15/is-it-our-brane-thats-still-foggy-or-is-it-just-string-theory-for-dummies-me/

There has been 30 years of research, calculations and theory on black
holes, strings and branes and I think they are right here decaying in our
atmosphere, we just called them different phenomena.

Stewart


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:

 This is really in reply to
 http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg86584.html

 [Vo]:A Quantum Jewel

 Terry Blanton Tue, 08 Oct 2013 06:26:30 -0700
 ...

 which for some strange reason isn't showing up in my mail.


 The Amplituhedron
 http://arxiv.org/abs/1312.2007

 Also see

 Scientists Discover a Jewel at the Heart of Quantum Physics
 
 http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/12/amplituhedron-jewel-quantum-physics/
 all/

 and some interesting comments by Woit

 Latest on Amplitudes
 http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=6476

 The next two  Woit articles also have some comments on careers in science
 in the face of collapsing theories and paradigm shifts:

 What’s Next?
 http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=6457

 Peter Higgs: “Today I wouldn’t get an academic job. It’s as simple as that”
 http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=6459

Re: [Vo]:IBM generates room temperature BEC

The room temperature BEC is formed from Polaritons. DGT has said that their
BEC was a Polariton BEC. DGT (also assume Rossi) uses micro-particles to
create their Polariton BEC, and IBM uses plastic.

Details from the expanded article as follows:

Polariton BEC within the polymer-filled micro-resonator consisting of the
luminescent polymer layer (yellow) and the two mirrors each consisting of
many pairs of different transparent oxide layers (red and blue). The
polaritons are created by excitation of the polymer layer from below with a
laser beam (white). The polaritons (green), which are bosons composed of
photons and electron-hole pairs, are formed through interactions of the
polymer with the microcavity. Once a critical density is reached, the
polaritons undergo Bose-Einstein condensation, emitting green laser-like
light through the top mirror.

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:

Once again, Y.E. Kim's BEC theory gets a leg up, if IBM really has
generated a room temp BEC. The guys at Exbits don't seem to realize the
implications reach far beyond computing.

IBM’s Achievement

In 1995 this was demonstrated for the first time at these extreme
temperatures, but today in a paper appearing in *Nature Materials*, IBM
scientists have achieved the same state at room temperature using a thin
non-crystalline polymer film developed by chemists at the University of
Wuppertal in Germany.

*I**BM’s Scientific Breakthrough Could Enable Lower-Cost High-Performance
Big Data Systems.* http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3101069/posts
*Xbitlabs ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20131210235559_IBM_s_Scientific_Breakthrough_Could_Enable_Lower_Cost_High_Performance_Big_Data_Systems.html
* | 12/10/2013 11:55 PM | Anton Shilov

http://www.freerepublic.com/%7Eernestatthebeach/

For the first time, scientists at IBM Research have demonstrated a complex
quantum mechanical phenomenon known as Bose-Einstein condensation (BEC),
using a luminescent polymer (plastic) similar to the materials in light
emitting displays used in many of today's smartphones. Applications could
include energy-efficient lasers and optical switches, critical components
for future computer systems processing Big Data

Quantum Phenomenon Could Mean Breakthrough for Exascale Systems

This discovery has potential applications in developing novel
optoelectronic devices including energy-efficient lasers and ultra-fast
optical switches – critical components for powering future computer systems
to process massive Big Data workloads. The use of a polymer material and
the observation of BEC at room temperature provides substantial advantages
in terms of applicability and cost.

IBM scientists around the world are focused on an ambitious data centric
exascale computing program, which is aimed at developing systems that can
process massive data workloads fifty times faster than today. Such a system
will need optical interconnects capable of high-speed processing of
Petabytes to Exabytes of Big Data. This will enable high-performance
analytics for: energy grids, life sciences, financial modelling, business
intelligence and weather and climate forecasting.

Bose-Einstein Condensation

The complex phenomenon IBM scientists demonstrated at room temperature is
named after the renown scientists Satyendranath Bose and Albert Einstein
who first predicted it in the mid-1920s and only later experimentally
proven in 1995.

A Bose-Einstein Condensate is a peculiar state of matter which occurs when
a dilute gas of particles (bosons) are cooled to nearly absolute zero
(-273°C, -459°F). At this temperature intriguing macroscopic quantum
phenomena occur in which the bosons all line up like ballroom dancers.

(Excerpt) Read more at
xbitlabs.comhttp://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20131210235559_IBM_s_Scientific_Breakthrough_Could_Enable_Lower_Cost_High_Performance_Big_Data_Systems.html...

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

2013-12-12 Thread Bob Higgins

To get kWH/day from peak kW in PV, you multiply by the average full power
equivalent hours per day. In FL, this is 4 hours (mostly due to clouds).
In NM the number is 5. In the continental US as a whole, the number is
probably about 3.5-4. This is for a fixed (not tracking) array. This
number is available on the web (I don't remember where) for anywhere in the
US.

I have a 5.3 kW peak fixed PV system that provides most of the power for my
house. For 6 months of the year, my electric consumption from the grid is
0 kWH or less (sometimes I have a net outflow to the grid which gets
banked). FL has net metering and my system is grid-tie with no batteries.
It works great. Best S. FL months are April or May.

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

Here is a graph of U.S. PV solar installations per quarter since 2010. It
shows rapid growth:

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2013/12/more-records-for-quarterly-us-solar-installations

It shows 930 MW in the July-September quarter. That means 930 MW peak
output from the solar cells, not 930 MW of 24-hour baseline capacity. 930
MW baseline would be the output from an average U.S. nuclear plant. I do
not know the capacity factor for solar. For wind it is roughly 30% of
nameplate capacity.

The peak of PV solar output matches peak demand in many places, unlike
wind which tends to peak at night.

Here is a recent graph of wind turbine output versus total power
consumption in Denmark:

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2013/12/postcard-from-the-future-122-wind-power-in-denmark

You can see that wind is quite intermittent even on the scale of the
entire landmass of Denmark. The good news is, with today's weather
forecasting you can predict approximately how much power turbines over a
large area will produce for the next few days, so you can schedule other
dispatchable energy sources.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote:


 I have a 5.3 kW peak fixed PV system that provides most of the power for
 my house.


Wow! How many square feet is that? How much did it cost?

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

http://www.wholesalesolar.com/Information-SolarFolder/SunHoursUSMap.html

I'm in Zone 6. :(

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:

I have a 5.3 kW peak fixed PV system that provides most of the power for
my house. For 6 months of the year, my electric consumption from the grid
is 0 kWH or less (sometimes I have a net outflow to the grid which gets
banked). FL has net metering and my system is grid-tie with no batteries.
It works great. Best S. FL months are April or May.

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:

Here is a graph of U.S. PV solar installations per quarter since 2010. It
shows rapid growth:

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2013/12/more-records-for-quarterly-us-solar-installations

The peak of PV solar output matches peak demand in many places, unlike
wind which tends to peak at night.

Here is a recent graph of wind turbine output versus total power
consumption in Denmark:

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2013/12/postcard-from-the-future-122-wind-power-in-denmark

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

2013-12-12 Thread Terry Blanton

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:


 It works great.


Is it cost effective?

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote:

To get kWH/day from peak kW in PV, you multiply by the average full power
 equivalent hours per day. In FL, this is 4 hours (mostly due to clouds).
  In NM the number is 5.  In the continental US as a whole, the number is
 probably about 3.5-4.


3.5 hours out of 24 is 14.5%. 4 hours is 16.6%. So the capacity factor is
about 15%. The 940 MW sold in the July - September quarter produces roughly
141 MW when it is first installed. It degrades over time after that.

141 MW is roughly 1/7 of an average nuclear power reactor. In other words,
solar cell production is about equivalent to 1 nuke every two years. At
that rate it will take 200 years to equal our nuclear power capacity.

Total U.S. generator capacity is roughly 1,000 GW. So it would take 1,700
years to replace that with solar at the present rate of installation.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

2013-12-12 Thread Nigel Dyer


The figure of 100,000 watts for a cell phone tower seems a little high.

The most plausible figures from the web seem to be up to 500 watts if 
they are covering a large area, or somewhat less if it is a small cell 
in a city.


Nigel
On 12/12/2013 19:21, leaking pen wrote:

Waldo anyone?


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:19 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com 
mailto:cheme...@gmail.com wrote:


Guys,

I think Doppler Weather and Military radar pulsing 750,000 to
3,000,000 watts 24/7 into the atmosphere is potentially the worst
of the offenders.  The NEXRAD Doppler weather towers cover a 150
mile radius.  In Sitka, Alaska, within that 150 mile radius, the
Yellow Cedar trees are slowly wasting/dying, they are having
blown/toxic algae blooms, fish/salmon kills and star fish
dissolving. To me, that is a sign of penetrating, ionizing
radiation. No long term study has ever been done.

Cell towers are around 100,000 watts each tower, I believe, but
there are many more of them.

I am seeing something similar across the country around
NEXRAD/TDWR towers.  I am in the process of running the statistics
 on two years of data in Florida

If time does not exist and you can't average those pulses and
figure you are OK, you have to consider what those instantaneous
pulses are doing to biology 24/7.  It is no wonder bees, bats,
starfish, trees, chronic wasting disease in animals are increasing
as well as Autism and Alzheimers. I think we have F^%^% up royally

Stewart




On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
mailto:jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

OTOH …

This could be good news J

At least for those concerned about the risk of brain cancer
from cell-phones, which are in the same UHF frequency range.

Heck, using the same logic (or lack thereof) maybe UHF
radiation kills cancer cells… one would not think that UHF
could both promote cancer and also stifle cellular development
in plants, right?

Ron Wormus wrote:



http://a-sheep-no-more.blogspot.com/2013/12/9th-grade-science-project-finds-plants_3.html

This would be an interesting experiment to repeat with plants
at varying distance from the same router to see if there's a
dose response effect.  Even better would be cellular culture,
but that's harder to manage without a lab.

I think I will move my router further away from my desktop.
Ron

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

Here is all kinds of great information about electric power generation:

http://www.eia.gov/electricity/

http://www.eia.gov/energy_in_brief/article/renewable_electricity.cfm

Re: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

I think you are right, I was thinking FM broadcast stations
How far are you from the nearest FM radio tower? Those typically put out
100,000W.

Cell Towers
Although the FCC permits an effective radiated power (ERP) of up to 500
watts per channel (depending on the tower height), the majority of cellular
or PCS cell sites in urban and suburban areas operate at an ERP of 100
watts per channel or less.

I am not sure how many channels on a typical cell tower??
Amps = 395 channels for voice

GSM = 125 Channels X 8 Slots per Channel = 1000 Users

CDMA seems to be dynamic, 55 Voice Channels, but it rotates users on each
channel within time slots to get more users per channel. It also seems the
more users trying to access the tower the more transmit power required by
the handset to over come noise and it lowers the bit rate for the call to
handle more users.

I would assume these numbers are per cell, and I would imagine they have
more than one cell on a tower.

How far are you from the nearest FM radio tower? Those typically put out
100,000W.

Doppler Weather:
[image: radar power]

http://www.doprad.com/radhaz.php

This information is intended to create awareness regarding the potential
health hazards associated with high-powered Doppler weather radar systems.
Today you can watch television across the country and see hundreds of
televisions stations with their own LIVE Doppler weather radar system. But
users of some of these “high-powered” (250,000 watt to 1,250,000 watt)
radars neglect to mention the possible safety and health hazards that are
an intrinsic byproduct of these systems.

Exposure studies conducted during the 1980′s indicate a possible
correlation between escalating cancer rates and increasing levels of
radiation in our environment. We cannot eliminate radiation completely from
our environment, but we can reduce health risks substantially by
controlling our exposure to it.

Research indicates that broadcasters using other vendors’ high-powered
radars do not even realize that these radars may actually exceed the FCC
standards for safe exposure levels and may pose a heath risk (at the very
least to those that must work on these units). The graph below shows the
comparison between radiation output for the high powered radars versus the
ADC low power, solid-state radar, and references the FCC microwave
radiation exposure limits. One proactive action that can be taken is to
make your local broadcasters aware of your concern about the use of these
unnecessary high-powered Doppler radars. Some of these radars have ERPs
(Effective Radiated Power) of over 10 GIGAWATTS (OR 10 BILLION watts).

The problem is they also OVERLAP these towers

Stewart

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote:

The figure of 100,000 watts for a cell phone tower seems a little high.

The most plausible figures from the web seem to be up to 500 watts if they
are covering a large area, or somewhat less if it is a small cell in a city.

Nigel

On 12/12/2013 19:21, leaking pen wrote:

Waldo anyone?

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:19 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comwrote:

Guys,

Cell towers are around 100,000 watts each tower, I believe, but there
are many more of them.

I am seeing something similar across the country around NEXRAD/TDWR
towers. I am in the process of running the statistics on two years of
data in Florida

If time does not exist and you can't average those pulses and figure
you are OK, you have to consider what those instantaneous pulses are doing
to biology 24/7. It is no wonder bees, bats, starfish, trees, chronic
wasting disease in animals are increasing as well as Autism and Alzheimers.
I think we have F^%^% up royally

Stewart

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

OTOH …

This could be good news J

At least for those concerned about the risk of brain cancer from
cell-phones, which are in the same UHF frequency range.

Heck, using the same logic (or lack thereof) maybe UHF radiation kills
cancer cells… one would not think that UHF could both promote cancer and
also stifle cellular development in plants, right?

Ron Wormus wrote:

http://a-sheep-no-more.blogspot.com/2013/12/9th-grade-science-project-finds-plants_3.html

This would be an interesting experiment to repeat with plants at varying
distance from the same router to see if there's a dose response effect.
Even better would be cellular culture,

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

Total U.S. generator capacity is roughly 1,000 GW. So it would take 1,700
years to replace that with solar at the present rate of installation.

Maybe, but the present amount of capacity has doubled 4 times over the last
10 years.   If it becomes significantly profitable to install solar over
our current methods (due to increased solar collection efficiency and
decrease cost of building from production techniques) of energy collection
(Nuclear and those insurance payments, coal, etc), then there is no reason
the doubling will not continue .. especially when you think about all the
jobs it will create.   Don't have to be a nuclear engineer to install solar
panels..


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote:

 To get kWH/day from peak kW in PV, you multiply by the average full power
 equivalent hours per day. In FL, this is 4 hours (mostly due to clouds).
  In NM the number is 5.  In the continental US as a whole, the number is
 probably about 3.5-4.


 3.5 hours out of 24 is 14.5%. 4 hours is 16.6%. So the capacity factor is
 about 15%. The 940 MW sold in the July - September quarter produces roughly
 141 MW when it is first installed. It degrades over time after that.

 141 MW is roughly 1/7 of an average nuclear power reactor. In other words,
 solar cell production is about equivalent to 1 nuke every two years. At
 that rate it will take 200 years to equal our nuclear power capacity.

 Total U.S. generator capacity is roughly 1,000 GW. So it would take 1,700
 years to replace that with solar at the present rate of installation.

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

Based upon the number/type off cell channels on the tower it looks like it
can be a total of 30,000-75,000 W per tower at peak use.  Multiply that by
x number of towers and you can see it adds up fast.  Throw in a couple of
250,000 to 750,000 watt Doppler weather stations and a few FM and high def
TV stations and I am surprised we can even think anymore...


http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1307523
The answer is not simple.

Firstly, cell tower does not equal cell site. There may be several
carriers' sites operating from the same tower, each with its own
powerfulhttp://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1307523# radio
and signal amplification equipment.

Secondly, the electricity load varies throughout the day, depending on the
call volume and data rates http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1307523# handled
by each site. Downtown sites see their highest usage during office hours,
and especially at lunchtime; freeway corridor sites peak during rush
hour. Rural sites covering large areas may handle relatively few calls for
much of the time. The resting load of a site (when there are no calls in
progress) can be as low as 20 W.

Finally, the number of radios and amplifiers in a site determines its range
(its coverage) and the maximum volume of calls it can handle (its
capacity). Some sites, especially in busy urban areas, are enormous,
housing http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1307523# as many as 12-24 radios
per sector for GSM and 1-3 per sector for W-CDMA, for a total of 39-81
radios, plus associated amplifiers and HVAC units for cooling. These sites
may need a 400 A AC feed (or more) and draw a whopping 30-75 kW at peak use.

More typically, a cell site runs at an average of about 0.5-3.5 kW, so
total electricity usage in a month would be between 350 kWh and 2500 kWh,
or from about half-a-house to three-times-a-house.

Read more: How much energy/electricity does a cell phone tower typically
use in a month? |
Answerbaghttp://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1307523#ixzz2nIa2yO1N
 http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1307523#ixzz2nIa2yO1N


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:29 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think you are right, I was thinking FM broadcast stations
 How far are you from the nearest FM radio tower? Those typically put out
 100,000W.

 Cell Towers
 Although the FCC permits an effective radiated power (ERP) of up to 500
 watts per channel (depending on the tower height), the majority of cellular
 or PCS cell sites in urban and suburban areas operate at an ERP of 100
 watts per channel or less.

 I am not sure how many channels on a typical cell tower??
 Amps = 395 channels for voice

 GSM = 125 Channels X 8 Slots per Channel = 1000 Users

 CDMA seems to be dynamic, 55 Voice Channels, but it rotates users on each
 channel within time slots to get more users per channel. It also seems the
 more users trying to access the tower the more transmit power required by
 the handset to over come noise and it lowers the bit rate for the call to
 handle more users.

 I would assume these numbers are per cell, and I would imagine they have
 more than one cell on a tower.

 How far are you from the nearest FM radio tower? Those typically put out
 100,000W.

 Doppler Weather:
 [image: radar power]

 http://www.doprad.com/radhaz.php

 This information is intended to create awareness regarding the potential
 health hazards associated with high-powered Doppler weather radar systems.
 Today you can watch television across the country and see hundreds of
 televisions stations with their own LIVE Doppler weather radar system. But
 users of some of these “high-powered” (250,000 watt to 1,250,000 watt)
 radars neglect to mention the possible safety and health hazards that are
 an intrinsic byproduct of these systems.

 Exposure studies conducted during the 1980′s indicate a possible
 correlation between escalating cancer rates and increasing levels of
 radiation in our environment. We cannot eliminate radiation completely from
 our environment, but we can reduce health risks substantially by
 controlling our exposure to it.

 Research indicates that broadcasters using other vendors’ high-powered
 radars do not even realize that these radars may actually exceed the FCC
 standards for safe exposure levels and may pose a heath risk (at the very
 least to those that must work on these units). The graph below shows the
 comparison between radiation output for the high powered radars versus the
 ADC low power, solid-state radar, and references the FCC microwave
 radiation exposure limits. One proactive action that can be taken is to
 make your local broadcasters aware of your concern about the use of these
 unnecessary high-powered Doppler radars. Some of these radars have ERPs
 (Effective Radiated Power) of over 10 GIGAWATTS (OR 10 BILLION watts).


  The problem is they also OVERLAP these towers


 Stewart


 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote:

  The figure of 100,000 watts for a cell phone tower seems a

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

Wind power is much larger than PV solar at present. That does not mean the
future capacity is more, it means wind has been developed longer. See:

http://www.windpoweringamerica.gov/wind_installed_capacity.asp#yearly

It is fun to watch the changing graphic map chart at the top right of this
page.

In 2012, total installed nameplate capacity was 60 GW. With a capacity
factor of 30% that's ~18 GW. It produced 3% of U.S. electricity. Compare
that to nukes, which are left on all the time to produce baseline
electricity. They produce 19% of U.S. electricity. They have roughly 100 GW
of capacity. The numbers are in reasonable agreement. They produce 6.3
times more electricity than wind, and they have about 5.5 times more
capacity.

At the rate wind is expanding it will not take centuries to catch up with
nuclear power. It is increasing at around 13 GW nameplate per year, or
about 4 nukes. See:

http://www.windpoweringamerica.gov/pdfs/2012_annual_wind_market_report.pdf

Once wind reaches parity with nukes, at ~20% of capacity, it will become
more difficult to integrate into the network. That's what EPRI said 10
years ago.


I believe that wind installations do not degrade as quickly as PV solar.
The turbines last longer, and continue to produce efficiently. They last 20
to 30 years. The big expense in making them is for the towers. You can
leave the towers and replace only the turbine and blades.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:


 Maybe, but the present amount of capacity has doubled 4 times over the
 last 10 years.


Sure. It has great potential.

I would be wary of projecting that kind of growth into the future, because
there may be problems integrating it into the net. Could there be problems
finding prime locations? I don't know. Some problem might crop up. Then
again, it might get cheaper faster than we expect.

I wasn't seriously suggesting it would take 1,700 years. I said that to
illustrate the size of the market and the fact that solar now produces much
less than 1% of our electricity.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

Wind is terrific as well, however it's pretty hard to improve the tech all
that rapidly like solar. It also kills birds, ruins sight lines, etc.

But yes, wind is good.

I love this article in the economist:

http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21587782-europes-electricity-providers-face-existential-threat-how-lose-half-trillion-euros

Europe’s electricity providers face an existential threat

ON JUNE 16th something very peculiar happened in Germany’s electricity
market. The wholesale price of electricity fell to minus €100 per megawatt
hour (MWh). That is, generating companies were having to pay the managers
of the grid to take their electricity. It was a bright, breezy Sunday.
Demand was low. Between 2pm and 3pm, solar and wind generators produced
28.9 gigawatts (GW) of power, more than half the total. The grid at that
time could not cope with more than 45GW without becoming unstable. At the
peak, total generation was over 51GW; so prices went negative to encourage
cutbacks and protect the grid from overloading.

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

Wind power is much larger than PV solar at present. That does not mean the
future capacity is more, it means wind has been developed longer. See:

http://www.windpoweringamerica.gov/wind_installed_capacity.asp#yearly

It is fun to watch the changing graphic map chart at the top right of this
page.

In 2012, total installed nameplate capacity was 60 GW. With a capacity
factor of 30% that's ~18 GW. It produced 3% of U.S. electricity. Compare
that to nukes, which are left on all the time to produce baseline
electricity. They produce 19% of U.S. electricity. They have roughly 100 GW
of capacity. The numbers are in reasonable agreement. They produce 6.3
times more electricity than wind, and they have about 5.5 times more
capacity.

At the rate wind is expanding it will not take centuries to catch up with
nuclear power. It is increasing at around 13 GW nameplate per year, or
about 4 nukes. See:

http://www.windpoweringamerica.gov/pdfs/2012_annual_wind_market_report.pdf

Once wind reaches parity with nukes, at ~20% of capacity, it will become
more difficult to integrate into the network. That's what EPRI said 10
years ago.

I believe that wind installations do not degrade as quickly as PV solar.
The turbines last longer, and continue to produce efficiently. They last 20
to 30 years. The big expense in making them is for the towers. You can
leave the towers and replace only the turbine and blades.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

There's a company called Solar City and what they do is install panels on
your house and then sell the electricity back to you at a lower rate than
what you pay your utility.

These are the sort of innovative things that are happening.


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:


 Maybe, but the present amount of capacity has doubled 4 times over the
 last 10 years.


 Sure. It has great potential.

 I would be wary of projecting that kind of growth into the future, because
 there may be problems integrating it into the net. Could there be problems
 finding prime locations? I don't know. Some problem might crop up. Then
 again, it might get cheaper faster than we expect.

 I wasn't seriously suggesting it would take 1,700 years. I said that to
 illustrate the size of the market and the fact that solar now produces much
 less than 1% of our electricity.

 - Jed

RE: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

ERP is not the same thing as raw wattage 'into the waveguide'.  It involves 
antenna gain and the transmitter output can be much smaller.

Many TV stations saw huge reductions in energy use after the digital 
transition.  With analog, you needed a really strong signal to look good. With 
digital, you either get a perfect picture or no picture at all.

Cell transmitters can be relatively small for this reason ( compared to an 
analog transmission).  I wouldn't worry about RF generally except to the extent 
that people have a transmitter (cell phone) on their person.

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

Wind is terrific as well, however it's pretty hard to improve the tech all
 that rapidly like solar.


It is still moving ahead pretty quickly. Especially offshore installations.
In Northern Europe North Sea offshore installations could produce 4 times
more electricity than Europe consumes. The North Sea is shallow.



 It also kills birds . . .


It kills thousands of times fewer birds than coal smoke does, and steam
from power generator cooling towers do. It kills fewer birds than
reflective glass buildings do. If we could replace all coal with wind
today, it would save far more birds than it kills. It would also save
roughly 20,000 human lives per year. That is how many people are killed by
coal smoke particulates.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

It kills thousands of times fewer birds than coal smoke does, and steam
from power generator cooling towers do. It kills fewer birds than
reflective glass buildings do. If we could replace all coal with wind
today, it would save far more birds than it kills. It would also save
roughly 20,000 human lives per year. That is how many people are killed by
coal smoke particulates.

Sure, but if the rate of windmill capacity doubled 7 more times or so, I
wouldn't want to be a bird. I also have this weird fear that we might
create a drag that slows the spin of the earth's rotation.  :D


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wind is terrific as well, however it's pretty hard to improve the tech all
 that rapidly like solar.


 It is still moving ahead pretty quickly. Especially offshore
 installations. In Northern Europe North Sea offshore installations could
 produce 4 times more electricity than Europe consumes. The North Sea is
 shallow.



 It also kills birds . . .


 It kills thousands of times fewer birds than coal smoke does, and steam
 from power generator cooling towers do. It kills fewer birds than
 reflective glass buildings do. If we could replace all coal with wind
 today, it would save far more birds than it kills. It would also save
 roughly 20,000 human lives per year. That is how many people are killed by
 coal smoke particulates.

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

I am focusing on the pulsed klystrons in the NEXRAD weather and TDWR
stations

On Thursday, December 12, 2013, Chris Zell wrote:

  ERP is not the same thing as raw wattage 'into the waveguide'.  It
 involves antenna gain and the transmitter output can be much smaller.

 Many TV stations saw huge reductions in energy use after the digital
 transition.  With analog, you needed a really strong signal to look good.
 With digital, you either get a perfect picture or no picture at all.

 Cell transmitters can be relatively small for this reason ( compared to an
 analog transmission).  I wouldn't worry about RF generally except to the
 extent that people have a transmitter (cell phone) on their person.

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

I wrote:


 At the rate wind is expanding it will not take centuries to catch up with
 nuclear power. It is increasing at around 13 GW nameplate per year, or
 about 4 nukes.


In other words, at this rate, wind will catch up to nukes and produce ~20%
of our electricity in about 20 years.

It has to reach about 100 GW actual to do that. It is at 18 GW now and it
has another 80 to go. It is increasing at 4 GW actual per year.

This may not seem like it adds up. ~100 MW satisfies ~20% of demand. So 500
MW would be enough for the whole country? Nope. As I said, U.S. capacity is
1,000 GW. Because most generators are not run at full capacity 24 hours a
day. They are not needed. There is no demand at night. The 1,000 GW is
needed to meet peak demand.

There is also less demand in winter than summer in many places.

Those are round numbers. But as it happens, total net summer capacity is
just a tad over 1,000 MW, a nice round number:

http://www.eia.gov/electricity/capacity/

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

http://www.wunderground.com/radar/map.asp

You mean these?

From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:01 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

I am focusing on the pulsed klystrons in the NEXRAD weather and TDWR stations

On Thursday, December 12, 2013, Chris Zell wrote:
ERP is not the same thing as raw wattage 'into the waveguide'.  It involves 
antenna gain and the transmitter output can be much smaller.

Many TV stations saw huge reductions in energy use after the digital 
transition.  With analog, you needed a really strong signal to look good. With 
digital, you either get a perfect picture or no picture at all.

Cell transmitters can be relatively small for this reason ( compared to an 
analog transmission).  I wouldn't worry about RF generally except to the extent 
that people have a transmitter (cell phone) on their person.

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:


 Sure, but if the rate of windmill capacity doubled 7 more times or so, I
 wouldn't want to be a bird.


This really is not a problem. Birds are evolved to avoid whacking into
large, opaque moving objects. Such as pine trees waving in the wind. In
high winds, pine trees in Georgia move a meter or more toward the top. They
do not kill any of the birds that are blown along by the high winds. The
birds avoid them.

They whack into reflective glass all the time, because that is not natural.
They are killed by coal smoke because concentrated smoke from forest fires
is rare in nature.

In the 1970s, wind turbines were small and fast moving. Birds were cut to
pieces by them. Modern turbines are slower compared to their total size.
That is to say, a modern wind turbine moves quickly through the air, but it
is huge, so you can see it a long way off, just as you can see the top of a
moving pine tree blown in the wind. Birds have excellent vision. Better
than people. Otherwise they could not fly.

Many birds love getting blown in the wind, by the way. At some airports
they hang around the jet blast runways. The jet engines start up and blow
the birds spinning into the air, totally out of control, hundreds of meters
away. The birds regain flight control, glide down, and flap back to the
area near the runways, where they do it again. They seem to love it, like
kids on a water slide. The annoy the airport maintenance people to no end.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

Yes, those are NEXRAD 750,000 watt pulsed Dopplers there are another 50 or
so TDWR 250,000 watt airport pulsed  weather radars. Not shown.  No long
term studies have ever been done

On Thursday, December 12, 2013, Chris Zell wrote:

  http://www.wunderground.com/radar/map.asp

 You mean these?

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 germination

  I am focusing on the pulsed klystrons in the NEXRAD weather and TDWR
 stations

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013, Chris Zell wrote:

  ERP is not the same thing as raw wattage 'into the waveguide'.  It
 involves antenna gain and the transmitter output can be much smaller.

 Many TV stations saw huge reductions in energy use after the digital
 transition.  With analog, you needed a really strong signal to look good.
 With digital, you either get a perfect picture or no picture at all.

 Cell transmitters can be relatively small for this reason ( compared to
 an analog transmission).  I wouldn't worry about RF generally except to the
 extent that people have a transmitter (cell phone) on their person.

RE: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

It is always difficult for me to accept that the living world constantly needs 
our intervention, as if the whole of adaptive evolution never took place - 
including dramatic catastrophes.  Rupert Sheldrake once claimed that some small 
birds learned to attack products delivered by the milkman- clearly within 
historical times.  I once set up bird feeders and soon found a hummingbird come 
by, as if to ask, where's my feeder? ( I then put one up for nectar feeders)

Tall towers and windmills are a hazard to birds ( they hit the guy wires, too). 
OTOH, these can offer a wonderful and productive perch for many birds.  A tower 
can be a 1000 or more feet high with no branches to obstruct the view.  If a 
bird is wise enough to avoid the hazards, it might enjoy the convenient view of 
distant prey.

RE: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:23 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

Yes, those are NEXRAD 750,000 watt pulsed Dopplers there are another 50 or so 
TDWR 250,000 watt airport pulsed  weather radars. Not shown.  No long term 
studies have ever been done

On Thursday, December 12, 2013, Chris Zell wrote:
http://www.wunderground.com/radar/map.asp

You mean these?

From: ChemE Stewart 
[mailto:cheme...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({},%20'cvml',%20'cheme...@gmail.com');]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:01 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.comjavascript:_e({},%20'cvml',%20'vortex-l@eskimo.com');
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

I am focusing on the pulsed klystrons in the NEXRAD weather and TDWR stations

On Thursday, December 12, 2013, Chris Zell wrote:
ERP is not the same thing as raw wattage 'into the waveguide'.  It involves 
antenna gain and the transmitter output can be much smaller.

Many TV stations saw huge reductions in energy use after the digital 
transition.  With analog, you needed a really strong signal to look good. With 
digital, you either get a perfect picture or no picture at all.

Cell transmitters can be relatively small for this reason ( compared to an 
analog transmission).  I wouldn't worry about RF generally except to the extent 
that people have a transmitter (cell phone) on their person.

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:

 It is always difficult for me to accept that the living world constantly
 needs our intervention, as if the whole of adaptive evolution never took
 place - including dramatic catastrophes.


Well, natural catastrophes wiped out entire species. We don't want that to
happen because of our technology.

Generally speaking, as long as the effect from technology is not too
destructive, and it resembles some natural effect, animals will adjust to
it. As I said, birds will avoid large wind turbine blades because they
resemble moving trees. They will not avoid reflective plate glass because
nothing like that exists in nature. Water is reflective, but not
horizontal, or high up in the sky.



   Rupert Sheldrake once claimed that some small birds learned to attack
 products delivered by the milkman- clearly within historical times.


That is a widely reported event. A species in the UK called the blue tit
learned how to open milk bottles and drink the cream. This was before milk
was homogenized. The problem was, the birds would drink down too far, get
stuck, and drown. There were many reports of dead birds sticking out of
bottles. Then, suddenly, over a few months, that stopped happening. The
birds learned to drink only from the top, and leave the rest. Somehow they
communicated the technique to other blue tits all over England, because it
stopped happening everywhere.

Another extraordinary aspect of this was that the birds remembered how to
do this for 10 years when there were no milk bottles. Home delivery of milk
was curtailed during WWII until the 1950s. When bottles were again
delivered, the birds went back to drinking from them, without getting
drowned. Several generations of birds somehow passed down the knowledge
from their great-grandparents, even though they never saw a milk bottle.

Animals are a lot smarter than we realize.

On the other hand, other bird species never learned to open the bottles or
drink from them. It seems the blue tits particularly love the taste of milk.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

http://www.copradar.com/rdrrange/

As the above suggests, because the antenna is so tightly directional, the ERP 
can be very high.  I don't know typical wattage sent to a radar dish but I did 
work with (non-pulsed) klystrons for many years.

Off Topic:  A BSEE guy once told me that he and another professional field 
engineer could never get the total power output ( including heat) in many 
klystrons to equal AC power input.  Made me wonder...





From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:23 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

Yes, those are NEXRAD 750,000 watt pulsed Dopplers there are another 50 or so 
TDWR 250,000 watt airport pulsed  weather radars. Not shown.  No long term 
studies have ever been done

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

I wrote:


 In 2012, total installed nameplate capacity was 60 GW. With a capacity
 factor of 30% that's ~18 GW. It produced 3% of U.S. electricity.


Ah ha. It is more than 3% now. That was with 2011 end-of-year capacity. See:

http://www.windpoweringamerica.gov/pdfs/2012_annual_wind_market_report.pdf

Quote:

A number of countries are beginning to achieve high levels of wind energy
penetration: end-of-2012 installed wind power is estimated to supply the
equivalent of nearly 30% of Denmark’s electricity demand,  compared to
approximately 18% for Portugal and Spain, 16% for Ireland, and 10% for
Germany. In the United States, the cumulative wind power capacity installed
at the end of  2012 is estimated, in an average year, to equate to roughly
4.4% of electricity demand.


So back to my back-of-the-envelope comparison with nukes:

* Nukes produced 19% of electricity compared to 4.4% from wind, ~4.3 times
more.

* Nukes have about 5.5 more actual capacity than wind (not nameplate).

Those numbers are in pretty good agreement.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

2013-12-12 Thread Bob Higgins

It is about 440 square feet on top of my flat patio roof.  It is 2 strings
of 15 in parallel for a total of 30 panels.  The total installed cost was
$35k, but I got back $20k from the state of FL (an incentive for growing a
solar business in FL) and then I got back about $2500 in tax credits.  So
the net to me was about $12.5k.  I have a single grid tie inverter that
connects directly to my AC main.  FPL installed a bi-directional reading
main meter and a separate meter to measure how much power I am generating
instantaneously (at no expense to me).  Now I can go to the FPL web site,
log into my account, and see a plot of my monthly, daily, and every 15
minutes power generation.  There is not a single moving part in the system
- not even a fan.  My inverter is outside so as not to dump the waste heat
into the house where it would have to be pumped out by the A/C.

Each 15 panel string produces about 450VDC under load and this is converted
with a switching grid-tie inverter to the 220V at 96% efficiency (I tested
it).  This works out well because the available current (hence power)
varies constantly with cloud cover.  With complete cloud cover I get about
30% output.  When you can't even see the sun through the clouds, you still
get about 10% output.  This means I am still making power at 450VDC when it
is raining - so the electrical connections and the panels must all be
nicely waterproof of the electrolytic corrosion would eat it up.  That
really worries me about the thin film panels that they are mounting
directly to the roof surface now.  They will be making power while under
water during the rain.

I also have a separate directly heated solar hot water system.  This is a
simple system that is very reliable - simple because we are in a clime
where it never freezes.


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote:


 I have a 5.3 kW peak fixed PV system that provides most of the power for
 my house.


 Wow! How many square feet is that? How much did it cost?

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

2013-12-12 Thread Bob Higgins

The way I look this is a little different.  I was the first house in my
community of 50k to have PV.  When I go to sell my house (which I plan to
do next year), if the solar power is the feature that attracts the customer
that buys my house, then it was paid back in that one instant.

It has been in service for 5 years now.  Before the PV was installed, my
winter electric bills were about $110/month (now 0).  My summer bills were
about $220-$275 and now peak at about $70 for a maximum of 2 months.

There is another unaccounted for effect with having PV installed.  As you
become partly energy independent, you begin doing things to economize in
your energy usage you may have previously just ignored.  You like seeing
your energy usage and bill go down - it is a feedback effect compelling you
to be ever more green.  Soon you are the area energy champion!

Besides that, I always wanted to.  I designed the system myself, but I am
an EE.


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:




 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:


 It works great.


 Is it cost effective?

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

Individually it's an interesting story, but on a mass scale it doesn't
quite add up - yet.

We need to be installing these solar panels without subsidies (and
including all install costs, labor etc) and still paying less than general
utility fees over 10 years or so.

When that happens, install growth will accelerate very quickly.  Everyone
and anyone that wants a job installing these things, will have one.

The only issue might be what happens to the grid itself when all the paying
customers start vanishing.   That could be a problem..


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:

 The way I look this is a little different.  I was the first house in my
 community of 50k to have PV.  When I go to sell my house (which I plan to
 do next year), if the solar power is the feature that attracts the customer
 that buys my house, then it was paid back in that one instant.

 It has been in service for 5 years now.  Before the PV was installed, my
 winter electric bills were about $110/month (now 0).  My summer bills were
 about $220-$275 and now peak at about $70 for a maximum of 2 months.

 There is another unaccounted for effect with having PV installed.  As you
 become partly energy independent, you begin doing things to economize in
 your energy usage you may have previously just ignored.  You like seeing
 your energy usage and bill go down - it is a feedback effect compelling you
 to be ever more green.  Soon you are the area energy champion!

 Besides that, I always wanted to.  I designed the system myself, but I am
 an EE.


 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:




 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:


 It works great.


 Is it cost effective?

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Scientists Discover Quick Recipe for Producing Hydrogen

2013-12-12 Thread pagnucco

Perhaps also of interest -

Driving self-assembly and emergent dynamics in colloidal suspensions
by time-dependent magnetic fields

http://iopscience.iop.org/0034-4885/76/12/126601

Axil wrote:
 The Ni/H reactor builds nano-cavities on-the-fly and in real time as a
 dynamic process.

 Here is how it is done

 http://physics.aps.org/articles/v6/134


 These nano-cavities are continually created by dynamic forses and
 distroyed
 by the LENR reactions.


 This dynamic micro/nano particle building process is why the Ni/H reactor
 is a puled power based device; Rossi uses heat pulses and DGT uses spark
 pulses.

 Each new input power pulse generates fresh particle aggregates.


 The Brillouin Energy system also uses pulsed power. And finally, the Papp
 engine uses spark pulsation.


 As a general principle, power pulsation of various forms is used to create
 small mobile particles that aggregate together to create the billions of
 nuclear active environments.


 As a power amplification mechanism, the large nickel particles in the Ni/H
 reactor are only used to transfer plasmonic power to these smaller
 dynamically forming particle aggregates.







 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Roarty, Francis X 
 francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:

  Axil, we are in agreement over the value of cavitation bubbles which by
 constant recreation avoid the need for persistent geometry and may even
 provide a control feature for the reaction. I even agree that it is
 CURRENTLY naïve to think persistent geometry will long withstand the
 pressures and temperatures involved but your arguments begs a follow up
 question.. Do you  consider the powder to be changing geometry inside
 the
 Rossi reactor or are you counting the plasma as geometry in a  kind of
 Papp
 or sonofusion sort of way? Historically both Patterson beads and MAHG
 are
 examples of destruction in both type of cells with persistent geometry,
 the
 issue so far is that the bubbles have not released near as much energy 
 are you suggesting the  Rossi plasma inside the fixed geometry formed by
 powder is a form of cavitation?

 Fran



 *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:03 AM
 *To:* vortex-l
 *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Scientists Discover Quick Recipe for
 Producing Hydrogen







   In fact there may not even be such a thing as a WET anomalous
 cell at the nano scale I am suggesting that at the scale of the these
  anomalous environments the catalytic confinement powering these
 reactions
 result in gas and plasma reactions.  The lesser claims related to wet
 cell
 electrolysis may be only a function of higher heat sinking by nearby
 liquids. This posit would make electrolytic phenomena like bubble fusion
 and sonoluminescence harder to exploit but much more robust in terms of
 independence from persistent geometry.



  Regarding persistent geometry



 Nano-engineers are developing cavitation bubble based technology to
 produce industrial 10 micron diamonds out of graphite.



 This amazing transformation process from graphite to diamond just takes
 nanoseconds at tremendous pressures and temperatures.



 http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/pt/diamond/pdf/drm17-931.pdf



 Based on your posit, it is really naive  to think that the fixed cavity
 based active nuclear environment will long withstand such pressures and
 temperatures on the surface of the electrodes in an electrolytic cell.

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy

Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:


 We need to be installing these solar panels without subsidies (and
 including all install costs, labor etc) and still paying less than general
 utility fees over 10 years or so.


I would agree to the no subsidy plan, but only after we level the playing
field:

1. We stop subsidizing coal, oil and nuclear power. Oil subsidies should
include a large fraction of the cost of wars in the middle east.

2. We start reimbursing the families of people disabled and killed by coal
smoke particulates. I would say $1 million per death, and $100,000 for each
disabled person. That would add about $30 billion to the cost of coal-fired
electricity. Right now the power companies pay nothing to the victims. They
literally get away with murder.

3. We factor in the likely future cost of global warming, to start paying
it down now. That is likely to be trillions per year. A modest $100 billion
surcharge on gas and coal would begin to address it.

4. We repeal the Price Anderson act. That means nuclear plants would have
to shop for accident insurance. Under this act, they are protected against
lawsuits. Uncle Sam pays the victims of a nuclear disaster. Removing this
protection will probably make nuclear power uninsurable and untenable. It
will certainly make it far more expensive than the alternatives, given the
accidents at TMI and Fukushima.

After we implement these reforms, I am confident that wind and solar will
be cheaper by far than these other energy sources, and will need no
subsidies. In short, we should let the free market work its magic.

There is no chance these policies will be implemented. Conservatives would
fight them tooth and nail.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:IBM generates room temperature BEC

2013-12-12 Thread James Bowery

Brian Josephson knows a think or two about superconductivity.

IIRC he has speculated that the BEC is involved, but I don't have a cite.

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

The room temperature BEC is formed from Polaritons. DGT has said that
their BEC was a Polariton BEC. DGT (also assume Rossi) uses micro-particles
to create their Polariton BEC, and IBM uses plastic.

Details from the expanded article as follows:

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote:

Once again, Y.E. Kim's BEC theory gets a leg up, if IBM really has
generated a room temp BEC. The guys at Exbits don't seem to realize the
implications reach far beyond computing.

IBM’s Achievement

*I**BM’s Scientific Breakthrough Could Enable Lower-Cost
High-Performance Big Data
Systems.*http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3101069/posts
*Xbitlabs ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20131210235559_IBM_s_Scientific_Breakthrough_Could_Enable_Lower_Cost_High_Performance_Big_Data_Systems.html
* | 12/10/2013 11:55 PM | Anton Shilov

http://www.freerepublic.com/%7Eernestatthebeach/

For the first time, scientists at IBM Research have demonstrated a
complex quantum mechanical phenomenon known as Bose-Einstein condensation
(BEC), using a luminescent polymer (plastic) similar to the materials in
light emitting displays used in many of today's smartphones. Applications
could include energy-efficient lasers and optical switches, critical
components for future computer systems processing Big Data

Quantum Phenomenon Could Mean Breakthrough for Exascale Systems

Bose-Einstein Condensation

A Bose-Einstein Condensate is a peculiar state of matter which occurs
when a dilute gas of particles (bosons) are cooled to nearly absolute zero
(-273°C, -459°F). At this temperature intriguing macroscopic quantum
phenomena occur in which the bosons all line up like ballroom dancers.

(Excerpt) Read more at
xbitlabs.comhttp://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20131210235559_IBM_s_Scientific_Breakthrough_Could_Enable_Lower_Cost_High_Performance_Big_Data_Systems.html...

Re: [Vo]:Exponential growth in Solar Energy