Re: [Vo]:OT: New Book on the Wright Brothers, by David McCullough
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: at time of Wright brothers, US tried to catch the bandwagon by creating NACA, but probably state agency are no more adapted to modern innovation. we see with DoE. The NACA was formed in 1915. By that time European aviation was getting massive amounts of war funding. The U.S. did not catch up until after the war. After 1918, the NACA did an excellent job, and by the mid-1930s the U.S. dominated the industry, especially civilian aviation. Orville Wright was a permanent member of the NACA Board. He was very shy and seldom commented. Historians say that Wilbur made more intellectual contributions to the invention, and he was a superb writer. Orville made many practical contributions. He also came up with the movable vertical tail, which was the last step in 3-axis control. They were both superb at engineering physics. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT: New Book on the Wright Brothers, by David McCullough
So, I'd like to know about the NACA period of Orville. Maybe he had an important part in putting the whole thing to catch up with Europe.
[Vo]:the real significance of the Shafeev paper
Dear Friends, For today: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/05/the-real-significance-of-shafeev-paper.html It is there about a paper, by G.A. Shafeev showing a miracle made with nanoplasmonics, This also makes LENR possible AXIL has explained this to us many times. You will see it. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:OT: New Book on the Wright Brothers, by David McCullough
The parallel, the sad prediction with LENR is fascinating. The fact that demo are ignored because published in less accessible place (less accessible in the modern way, I mean not in Nature... ), and the bad will in getting informed the fact that most energy by the pioneer will be wasted in patent war, is a warning to people in the field... the fact that blossoming unplanified efforts overcame the US pioneering show the importance of innovation ecosystem, motivation, sharing, compared to pure intellectual property... Nothing is new, we are warned since few years that unless we change the logic around LENR innovation, it will be the same. (does it remind you someone?) at time of Wright brothers, US tried to catch the bandwagon by creating NACA, but probably state agency are no more adapted to modern innovation. we see with DoE. 2015-05-17 23:43 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: It isn't bad. It covers the lost years from 1906 to early 1908 in more detail than most biographies. During those years, the Wrights did not fly. They spent most of their time negotiating business deals and improving the motor. It is frustrating to think of it. In this book, it is frustrating to read how Wilbur had to spend nearly as much time convincing investors and customers that the airplane was a real, viable product, as he spent inventing the thing. I still say they could have cut short the time by doing better demonstration flights, and by using the photos and affidavits they collected from the flights. They were not experts in motors. They should have had experts working on that, which they concentrated on the airplane itself. They could not hire experts because they did not have the capital they needed. All that changed in August 1908 with the public flights in France and Washington DC. In the spring of 1908 they returned to Kitty Hawk for flight testing. Kitty Hawk was difficult to reach in those days. Some famous reporters made the effort to get there, and they published accounts of the test flights saying it is all true, the Wrights can fly! but the public still did not believe it. They should have conducted those tests in Dayton, in full view of the public. It would have brought about the recognition they needed months earlier. Here is one of the news reports from Kitty Hawk, Arthur Ruhl, History at Kill Devil Hill, Collier's, 30 May 1908: https://digital.lib.ecu.edu/exhibits/wright/htmlFiles/HKDH.html This is accurate and detailed, except that it ignores the fact that dozens of people had seen the earlier flights, and many had signed affidavits testifying as much, including a bank president. The reporters should have believed those people. They never interviewed them or expressed any curiosity. Even the local Dayton papers ignored them. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT: North Korea: What should we make of latest 'execution'?
Someone told me how Staline was killed... not sure it is exact but it seems. Staline was paranoid and was executing many people around him for real or imaginary crimes... not so different from kim the killer today... one day the doctor of Staline learned that he was on the list of the next purge (it seems there was anti jews purge , attacking even non jews doctors ). Staline was sick, ad the doctor maintain him in his bunker, victim of a brain stroke until he was dead. one day the man who will learn he will be killed soon will manage to make kim the killer disappear. A dictatorship is an exchange with all stakeholder (giving security to the population, advantage to the elite), or slowly it finish like V like Vendetta, or like Tunisia. one day Kim the killer will be replaced by by a more open character like the one in Myanmar, who will slowly normalize the relation with neighbour, the society, the economy... 2015-05-18 8:33 GMT+02:00 Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net: It has been making the rounds that North Korean Defence Minister, Hyon Yong-chol, was purged and publicly executed by anti-aircraft gunfire. BBC news wrote a reasonably objective analysis of the matter. At present it is difficult to verify the accuracy of the claimed specifics: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32749107 Assuming the latest purge is accurate… It would suggest that Kim’s inexperience of leadership skills has resulted in him becoming terrified of anyone he perceives to be a potential alpha male, a rival within the bureaucracy he inherited from his farther. What I see are the actions of someone who believes instilling abject fear within the ruling party is the ticket to keeping himself safe from being bumped off. I suspect he is dead wrong on that. I cannot imagine the remaining survivalist oriented, savvy, well-entrenched old guard that is decades older than their 32 year old leader being willing to put up with such antics for much longer. Orchestrating public executions of this kind is highly disruptive to maintaining a sense stability and standard of living. Seems very likely to me that there are interesting off-the-records discussions occurring in obscure undisclosed quarters in the middle of the night. It's imperative to discover who remain fanatically loyal to Kim and who are waffling. It would not surprise me to hear of additional changes in upper management in the near future. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:US Navy Purchases First Order of MagneGas
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/us-navy-purchases-first-order-of-magnegas-300083985.html MagneGas Corporation (MagneGas or the Company) (NASDAQ: MNGAhttp://studio-5.financialcontent.com/prnews?Page=QuoteTicker=MNGA), a technology company that counts among its inventions a patented process that converts liquid waste into a MagneGas Fuel, announced today that following a specific request from the US Navy, it has successfully completed a demonstration using its MagneGas2(r) cutting fuel at a designated US Navy facility. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#Magnecule_theory Magnecule theory Santilli claims to have developed novel fuels, named MagneGas and MagneHydrogen.[10]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-10[11]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-11[12]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-12 They are produced by plasma arc gasificationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_arc_gasification of liquid waste.[13]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-13 Santilli claims that these fuels are composed of magnecules.[14]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-14[15]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-15[16]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-ijh-16 These hypothetical particles are a type of theoretical chemical specieshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_species proposed by Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bondhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fieldshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field which arise from toroidalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroid polarization of their electron orbitalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_orbital.[16]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-ijh-16[17]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-17 Neither these claims nor the existence of magnecules have been accepted by the scientific community. Magnecules have also been invoked as an explanation for a purported HHO gas Mats www.animpossibleinvention.comhttp://www.animpossibleinvention.com
Re: [Vo]:OT: New Book on the Wright Brothers, by David McCullough
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: So, I'd like to know about the NACA period of Orville. Maybe he had an important part in putting the whole thing to catch up with Europe. I do not think he played a leading role in anything. He was a timid person. However, he was serious and intelligent and I do not think he would have been content to act as a mere figurehead. Pres. Wilson appointed him in 1920. I do not think he would have accepted the appointment if he did not want to contribute. Tom Crouch, in The Bishop's Boys describes his role in the NACA and the Guggenheim foundation: Orville remained a member of the NACA longer than anyone else in the history of the committee. His record of attendance at the annual and semiannual meetings over a period of twenty-eight years was exemplary, yet his personal contributions had no special impact on the NACA program. He concentrated on those issues of greatest interest to him, such as championing the cause of the small inventors who wrote in search of advice or assistance. He participated in discussions but rarely exercised leadership. . . . His service on the board overseeing the operation of the Daniel and Florence Guggenheim Fund for the Promotion of Aeronautics followed a similar pattern. The single most important privately funded effort to improve the quality of American aeronautical enterprise during the interwar years, the Guggenheim Fund began operation in 1926 and went out of business in 1930. . . . The members of the Guggenheim board funded pioneering research leading to the development of early blind-flying instruments and sponsored the most important of all U.S. aircraft safety competitions. The fund was short-lived but had an extraordinary impact. Through his faithful attendance at meetings and his participation in the deliberations of the board, Orville helped to shape a program of lasting importance. His name was a distinct asset to the work of the fund. As in the case of the NACA, however, he rarely exercised leadership on the Guggenheim board. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT: New Book on the Wright Brothers, by David McCullough
It is easy to underestimate the impact of the Kelly Act in all of this history. *The Kelly Act of 1925 (Contract Airmail Act) http://web.bryant.edu/~ehu/h364proj/sprg_98/bolduc/act1925.htm* The Kelly Act of 1925 was provoked by the vision of *Juan Trippe* http://web.bryant.edu/~ehu/h364proj/sprg_98/bolduc/trippe.htm*.* He used his Yale influence to persuade a fellow Yale friend, Congressman Clyde Kelly (chairman of the House Post Office Committee), to introduce an act that would open the flying of airmail to private contractors. The Kelly Act put commercial aviation firmly in private hands, averting any prospect that this industry would grow as an arm of the state. This act authorized the U.S. Post Office Department to sign contracts with private companies for carrying the mail at rates ranging up to $3 per pound, rates that amount to government subsidies for airlines. It is this act that ultimately enables the airline industry to evolve. Likewise the impact of the Launch Services Purchase Act of 1990 about which I testified before Congress in 1991 http://web.archive.org/web/20081212071704/http://www.geocities.com/jim_bowery/testimny.htm. It is likely that Lori Garver (then head of the National Space Society and generally favoring NASA launch technology development) would not have changed her orientation to favor commercial launch technology development, thereby enabling SpaceX http://spacenews.com/36673exit-interview-a-brief-conversation-with-outgoing-nasa-deputy-administrator/, were it not for the battle we fought to get the LSPA passed. On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: at time of Wright brothers, US tried to catch the bandwagon by creating NACA, but probably state agency are no more adapted to modern innovation. we see with DoE. The NACA was formed in 1915. By that time European aviation was getting massive amounts of war funding. The U.S. did not catch up until after the war. After 1918, the NACA did an excellent job, and by the mid-1930s the U.S. dominated the industry, especially civilian aviation. Orville Wright was a permanent member of the NACA Board. He was very shy and seldom commented. Historians say that Wilbur made more intellectual contributions to the invention, and he was a superb writer. Orville made many practical contributions. He also came up with the movable vertical tail, which was the last step in 3-axis control. They were both superb at engineering physics. - Jed
[Vo]:OT: North Korea: What should we make of latest 'execution'?
It has been making the rounds that North Korean Defence Minister, Hyon Yong-chol, was purged and publicly executed by anti-aircraft gunfire. BBC news wrote a reasonably objective analysis of the matter. At present it is difficult to verify the accuracy of the claimed specifics: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32749107 Assuming the latest purge is accurate. It would suggest that Kim's inexperience of leadership skills has resulted in him becoming terrified of anyone he perceives to be a potential alpha male, a rival within the bureaucracy he inherited from his farther. What I see are the actions of someone who believes instilling abject fear within the ruling party is the ticket to keeping himself safe from being bumped off. I suspect he is dead wrong on that. I cannot imagine the remaining survivalist oriented, savvy, well-entrenched old guard that is decades older than their 32 year old leader being willing to put up with such antics for much longer. Orchestrating public executions of this kind is highly disruptive to maintaining a sense stability and standard of living. Seems very likely to me that there are interesting off-the-records discussions occurring in obscure undisclosed quarters in the middle of the night. It's imperative to discover who remain fanatically loyal to Kim and who are waffling. It would not surprise me to hear of additional changes in upper management in the near future. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:US Navy Purchases First Order of MagneGas
If I read well, the claim of Magnegas is that it cuts metal faster than acetylene ? One possibility is that the theory is wrong, and the practice is right ? 2015-05-18 10:25 GMT+02:00 Lewan Mats mats.le...@nyteknik.se: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/us-navy-purchases-first-order-of-magnegas-300083985.html MagneGas Corporation (MagneGas or the Company) (NASDAQ: MNGA http://studio-5.financialcontent.com/prnews?Page=QuoteTicker=MNGA), a technology company that counts among its inventions a patented process that converts liquid waste into a MagneGas Fuel, announced today that following a specific request from the US Navy, it has successfully completed a demonstration using its MagneGas2® cutting fuel at a designated US Navy facility. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#Magnecule_theory Magnecule theory Santilli claims to have developed novel fuels, named MagneGas and MagneHydrogen.[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-10 [11] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-11 [12] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-12 They are produced by plasma arc gasification http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_arc_gasification of liquid waste. [13] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-13 Santilli claims that these fuels are composed of *magnecules*.[14] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-14 [15] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-15 [16] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-ijh-16 These hypothetical particles are a type of theoretical chemical species http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_species proposed by Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_bond called a magnecular bond, which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field which arise from toroidal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroid polarization of their electron orbitals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_orbital.[16] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-ijh-16 [17] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruggero_Santilliredirect=no#cite_note-17 Neither these claims nor the existence of magnecules have been accepted by the scientific community. Magnecules have also been invoked as an explanation for a purported HHO gas Mats www.animpossibleinvention.com
