[Vo]:good by global warming
http://www.aol.com/article/2015/07/12/scientists-predict-mini-ice-age-will-hit-in-15-years/21208356/?cps=gravity_4816_-405525875257387
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
From the Lugano report, the view of the nickel particle retrived as ash after 32 days of reaction looks identical to the fuel particle which itself looks like it came out of a old reactor run. The nanostructed surface looks prestine. This particle surface would have shown alpha impact in the micrograph. This indicates that there was alpha particles of any energy impacting on the surface of the nickel particle as a result of the LENR reaction. On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding: ... the E-Cat is a massive source of alpha particles For context, can you provide the source of this statement? I find this statement hard to believe since energetic alpha particle emission produces lots of powerful EMF such as gamma rays in the process of Alpha thermalization. It would depend upon the nature of the reaction. Alphas of sufficient energy will generate x-rays and inelastic collisions. In the case of x-rays, inner shell lattice electrons will be excited and will emit photons with up to ~ 9 keV energy. In case of inelastic collisions, there are isomeric transitions for nickel in the MeV range. I am not sure what the relative cross sections for inelastic collisions from fast alphas are. Some reactions that produce alphas will also normally be accompanied by the emission of a gamma (but not all reactions). In the case of otherwise gamma-emitting reactions, it's possible that the reaction energy is instead transmitted to the ensemble of electrons, each electron dividing the total share into smaller pieces and emitting a photon. If the ensemble is large, even a reaction with 20+ MeV can be quickly and quietly dissipated in the production of x-rays. If this happened, the daughter alpha itself might have little to no kinetic energy. The weak point in this line of investigation has to do with how to explain why the process would be so efficient that it would not result in stray gammas of the kind being short-circuited or in inelastic collisions with lattice sites. Nonetheless I find screening of some kind from the electron cloud provided by the lattice sites, together with thermalization through the agitation of a large ensemble of electrons, a very interesting line of exploration. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
Correction... From the Lugano report, the view of the nickel particle retrived as ash after 32 days of reaction looks identical to the fuel particle which itself looks like it came out of a old reactor run. The nanostructed surface looks prestine. This particle surface would have shown alpha particle impact in the micrograph if any occured. This indicates that there was no alpha particles of any energy level impacting on the surface of the nickel particle as a result of the LENR reaction. On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From the Lugano report, the view of the nickel particle retrived as ash after 32 days of reaction looks identical to the fuel particle which itself looks like it came out of a old reactor run. The nanostructed surface looks prestine. This particle surface would have shown alpha impact in the micrograph. This indicates that there was alpha particles of any energy impacting on the surface of the nickel particle as a result of the LENR reaction. On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding: ... the E-Cat is a massive source of alpha particles For context, can you provide the source of this statement? I find this statement hard to believe since energetic alpha particle emission produces lots of powerful EMF such as gamma rays in the process of Alpha thermalization. It would depend upon the nature of the reaction. Alphas of sufficient energy will generate x-rays and inelastic collisions. In the case of x-rays, inner shell lattice electrons will be excited and will emit photons with up to ~ 9 keV energy. In case of inelastic collisions, there are isomeric transitions for nickel in the MeV range. I am not sure what the relative cross sections for inelastic collisions from fast alphas are. Some reactions that produce alphas will also normally be accompanied by the emission of a gamma (but not all reactions). In the case of otherwise gamma-emitting reactions, it's possible that the reaction energy is instead transmitted to the ensemble of electrons, each electron dividing the total share into smaller pieces and emitting a photon. If the ensemble is large, even a reaction with 20+ MeV can be quickly and quietly dissipated in the production of x-rays. If this happened, the daughter alpha itself might have little to no kinetic energy. The weak point in this line of investigation has to do with how to explain why the process would be so efficient that it would not result in stray gammas of the kind being short-circuited or in inelastic collisions with lattice sites. Nonetheless I find screening of some kind from the electron cloud provided by the lattice sites, together with thermalization through the agitation of a large ensemble of electrons, a very interesting line of exploration. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
The alphas do not have to be the recipient of the mass energy loss as kinetic energy. The mass energy in a coherent system may end up with excess spin energy which is then distributed as phonic energy of the coherent system’s lattice. Bob Cook From: Axil Axil Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 1:34 PM To: vortex-l Subject: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction Regarding: ... the E-Cat is a massive source of alpha particles I have not seen this confirmed as an experimental observation. I understand that this statement has its origins in the theory proposed from N. Cook. I find this statement hard to believe since energetic alpha particle emission produces lots of powerful EMF such as gamma rays in the process of Alpha thermalization. Out of the various successful replications, no one has confirmed the detection of Alpha radiation or gamma radiation. To make the N. Cook theory complete, there should be reasons and mechanisms provided that explain how the gamma radiation from Alpha particles are thermalized or downshifted. Furthermore, it is bad to base a theory of E-Cat reaction on the production of ionizing radiation. Any source of nuclear radiation has, is, and will be regulated. This most probably will place regulation of the E-Cat under the Nuclear Regulation Authority (NRA) nationally in the U.S.A. and the IAEA internationally. In other words to make a long story short, the theory of Alpha particle production will KILL the E-Cat and all its various uses worldwide. Does Rossi understand that his current reaction theory will kill the E-Cat? The theory of the E-Cat has quintessential political and regulatory ramifications. The formulation of LENR theory must explain how the LENR reaction is not harmful in any way, shape or form, that it is totally benign, and that it is supported by experiential observation. The theory of LENR must be crafted so that it does not place a killing weapon into the hands of the opponents of LENR. Does Rossi understnd this? I would advise Rossi to change his theory for LENR now.
Re: [Vo]:The quest for everlasting power
Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net wrote: I guess he could say that there is no art yet -- it's a pioneering patent, but that's a legal question. No, the patent *must* enable a PHOSITA to replicate, or it is invalid. That is the main purpose of a patent. (The other purpose is to protect the rights of the inventor.) This requirement is clearly spelled out in patent laws and at the USPO web site. QUOTE: The specification must include a written description of the invention and of the manner and process of making and using it, and is required to be in such full, clear, concise, and exact terms as to enable any person skilled in the technological area to which the invention pertains, or with which it is most nearly connected, to make and use the same. The specification must set forth the precise invention for which a patent is solicited, in such manner as to distinguish it from other inventions and from what is old. It must describe completely a specific embodiment of the process, machine, manufacture, composition of matter, or improvement invented, and must explain the mode of operation or principle whenever applicable. The best mode contemplated by the inventor for carrying out the invention must be set forth. http://www.uspto.gov/patents-getting-started/general-information-concerning-patents#heading-17 - Jed
[Vo]:Re: The quest for everlasting power
Axil should come to know that there are different strokes for different folks. HIS RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION ABOUT NOT KNOWING THE SECRETS OF NATURE COMES OUT LOUD AND CLEAR. Give the secrets to industry and they will make it more complicated and expensive, so it can only be repaired and operated by experts. The auto industry and the nuclear power industry are good examples. They design in obsolescence to make a future market for replacement and repair. The last thing big industry will do with LENR is to make a simple energy source that Joe Blow and his kids can repair, operate and buy spare part for in the drug store. Darden and Rossi are wise in this regard to operate like they do to achieve their values which may NOT be the same as Axil would like them to be. Bob Cook From: leaking pen Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 8:46 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:The quest for everlasting power Personally, if i had the ability, inventing and creating new energy sources would BE the pleasures in my life. On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Why is Rossi spending the best part of the little life that he has remaining in a shipping container for 18 hours a day? What makes a person sacrifice all the pleasures that remain in his life. What is the goal? What is the motivation. IMHO, What makes Rossi tick is a tight connection between the EGO of Rossi and his E-Cat. He cannot give control of this device to someone else. Like Joe Papp, Rossi will never tell anybody how it works; valid patent or no. Rossi does not trust anyone with the secrets that are so close to defining the very tap root of his soul. The reported replication by Parkhomov must have shaken him deeply. But he has a hoard of secrets stashed away in his hope chest of still remaining secrets to keep the power of his discovery reserved only to him. On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 10:02 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: Axil, I beg to differ a little. 1. Rossi spends a lot of time studying theory. It seems that the theory of how it works is difficult and it will take an inspired individual to crack it. Just throwing money at it may not help. 2. If Rossi comes out with a good device at the right price he will get trade name recognition. That is worth a lot. 3. The potential field is so vast there is plenty of room for competitors. He will have enough business to keep himself happy for as long as he wants to work. He has said that he is not interested in becoming ultra rich. 4. The problem I see is that others are patenting every variation and Industrial Heal may have to spend a lot of money on lawyers to be able to sell what they invented. 5. I think Rossi has more of a head start than you credit him with. Any new device has to be tested fo a long time so it is not that easy to catch up. Possibly another entirely different device may make the E-Cat obsolete, like Solar Hydrogen Trends - but does anyone know if any of them work yet? 6. There is a whole field of combining E-Cats with micro turbines (etc) to produce electricity that will also keep many busy for years. I suspect this is right up Rossi's street.
RE: [Vo]:The quest for everlasting power
I guess he could say that there is no art yet -- it's a pioneering patent, but that's a legal question. From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 6:48 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The quest for everlasting power Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, What makes Rossi tick is a tight connection between the EGO of Rossi and his E-Cat. He cannot give control of this device to someone else. Like Joe Papp, Rossi will never tell anybody how it works; valid patent or no. If other people cannot replicate the device from the patent, then by definition the patent is not valid. A person having ordinary skill in the art (PHOSITA) has to be able to replicate or a patent will be ruled invalid. - Jed --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
Re: [Vo]:The quest for everlasting power
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, What makes Rossi tick is a tight connection between the EGO of Rossi and his E-Cat. He cannot give control of this device to someone else. Like Joe Papp, Rossi will never tell anybody how it works; valid patent or no. If other people cannot replicate the device from the patent, then by definition the patent is not valid. A person having ordinary skill in the art (PHOSITA) has to be able to replicate or a patent will be ruled invalid. - Jed
[Vo]:Re: The quest for everlasting power
Axil should come to know that there are different strokes for different folks. HIS RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION ABOUT NOT KNOWING THE SECRETS OF NATURE COMES OUT LOUD AND CLEAR. Give the secrets to industry and they will make it more complicated and expensive, so it can only be repaired and operated by experts. The auto industry and the nuclear power industry are good examples. They design in obsolescence to make a future market for replacement and repair. The last thing big industry will do with LENR is to make a simple energy source that Joe Blow and his kids can repair, operate and buy spare part for in the drug store. Darden and Rossi are wise in this regard to operate like they do to achieve their values which may NOT be the same as Axil would like them to be. Bob Cook From: leaking pen Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 8:46 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:The quest for everlasting power Personally, if i had the ability, inventing and creating new energy sources would BE the pleasures in my life. On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Why is Rossi spending the best part of the little life that he has remaining in a shipping container for 18 hours a day? What makes a person sacrifice all the pleasures that remain in his life. What is the goal? What is the motivation. IMHO, What makes Rossi tick is a tight connection between the EGO of Rossi and his E-Cat. He cannot give control of this device to someone else. Like Joe Papp, Rossi will never tell anybody how it works; valid patent or no. Rossi does not trust anyone with the secrets that are so close to defining the very tap root of his soul. The reported replication by Parkhomov must have shaken him deeply. But he has a hoard of secrets stashed away in his hope chest of still remaining secrets to keep the power of his discovery reserved only to him. On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 10:02 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: Axil, I beg to differ a little. 1. Rossi spends a lot of time studying theory. It seems that the theory of how it works is difficult and it will take an inspired individual to crack it. Just throwing money at it may not help. 2. If Rossi comes out with a good device at the right price he will get trade name recognition. That is worth a lot. 3. The potential field is so vast there is plenty of room for competitors. He will have enough business to keep himself happy for as long as he wants to work. He has said that he is not interested in becoming ultra rich. 4. The problem I see is that others are patenting every variation and Industrial Heal may have to spend a lot of money on lawyers to be able to sell what they invented. 5. I think Rossi has more of a head start than you credit him with. Any new device has to be tested fo a long time so it is not that easy to catch up. Possibly another entirely different device may make the E-Cat obsolete, like Solar Hydrogen Trends - but does anyone know if any of them work yet? 6. There is a whole field of combining E-Cats with micro turbines (etc) to produce electricity that will also keep many busy for years. I suspect this is right up Rossi's street.
Re: [Vo]:The quest for everlasting power
Axil I respect your theoretical broad understanding of physics. I have to say that your opinion about what drives people like Rossi is way off the mark. You know getting older (I do not know your age at all but assume you are a lot younger than I) does not mean you are in a bigger hurry to get rich and 'enjoy' life as you say. Enjoying life is to be alive and have goals, which you fulfill. I have no personal relation to Rossi. However, I can imagine his goals and it seems OK to me. I am sure he fulfill them as he see fit. The patent discussion is futile. Patents will only benefit the legal community. I agree with a.ashfield - having market shares early is important. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:48 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, What makes Rossi tick is a tight connection between the EGO of Rossi and his E-Cat. He cannot give control of this device to someone else. Like Joe Papp, Rossi will never tell anybody how it works; valid patent or no. If other people cannot replicate the device from the patent, then by definition the patent is not valid. A person having ordinary skill in the art (PHOSITA) has to be able to replicate or a patent will be ruled invalid. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:good by global warming
I read this on Russian news and became alarmed that they were talking about a 60% reduction in radiance. I hope that was a misprint or we may all be dead in 15 years. From: Frank Znidarsic [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 8:06 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:good by global warming http://www.aol.com/article/2015/07/12/scientists-predict-mini-ice-age-will-hit-in-15-years/21208356/?cps=gravity_4816_-405525875257387
RE: [Vo]:good by global warming
Chris, solar *activity *will fall by 60 per cent' That is largely referring to the number of sun spots. The radiation at most frequencies changes only a little.
[Vo]:Re: The quest for everlasting power
Axil should come to know that there are different strokes for different folks. HIS RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION ABOUT NOT KNOWING THE SECRETS OF NATURE COMES OUT LOUD AND CLEAR. Give the secrets to industry and they will make it more complicated and expensive, so it can only be repaired and operated by experts. The auto industry and the nuclear power industry are good examples. They design in obsolescence to make a future market for replacement and repair. The last thing big industry will do with LENR is to make a simple energy source that Joe Blow and his kids can repair, operate and buy spare part for in the drug store. Darden and Rossi are wise in this regard to operate like they do to achieve their values which may NOT be the same as Axil would like them to be. Bob Cook From: leaking pen Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 8:46 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:The quest for everlasting power Personally, if i had the ability, inventing and creating new energy sources would BE the pleasures in my life. On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Why is Rossi spending the best part of the little life that he has remaining in a shipping container for 18 hours a day? What makes a person sacrifice all the pleasures that remain in his life. What is the goal? What is the motivation. IMHO, What makes Rossi tick is a tight connection between the EGO of Rossi and his E-Cat. He cannot give control of this device to someone else. Like Joe Papp, Rossi will never tell anybody how it works; valid patent or no. Rossi does not trust anyone with the secrets that are so close to defining the very tap root of his soul. The reported replication by Parkhomov must have shaken him deeply. But he has a hoard of secrets stashed away in his hope chest of still remaining secrets to keep the power of his discovery reserved only to him. On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 10:02 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: Axil, I beg to differ a little. 1. Rossi spends a lot of time studying theory. It seems that the theory of how it works is difficult and it will take an inspired individual to crack it. Just throwing money at it may not help. 2. If Rossi comes out with a good device at the right price he will get trade name recognition. That is worth a lot. 3. The potential field is so vast there is plenty of room for competitors. He will have enough business to keep himself happy for as long as he wants to work. He has said that he is not interested in becoming ultra rich. 4. The problem I see is that others are patenting every variation and Industrial Heal may have to spend a lot of money on lawyers to be able to sell what they invented. 5. I think Rossi has more of a head start than you credit him with. Any new device has to be tested fo a long time so it is not that easy to catch up. Possibly another entirely different device may make the E-Cat obsolete, like Solar Hydrogen Trends - but does anyone know if any of them work yet? 6. There is a whole field of combining E-Cats with micro turbines (etc) to produce electricity that will also keep many busy for years. I suspect this is right up Rossi's street.
Re: [Vo]:Neutrinos and LENR
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: At one time, not too long ago - this internal heat was said to come from uranium fission - now fission is said to be all but non-existent (compared to decay). This Wikipedia article states something similar to what I have read elsewhere on Wikipedia, that a significant portion of the Earth's internal heat is believed to come from the decay of radioactive elements: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_internal_heat_budget As you suggest, this explanation gives the impression of being a mere hunch that has been advanced as something that is plausible. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding: ... the E-Cat is a massive source of alpha particles For context, can you provide the source of this statement? I find this statement hard to believe since energetic alpha particle emission produces lots of powerful EMF such as gamma rays in the process of Alpha thermalization. It would depend upon the nature of the reaction. Alphas of sufficient energy will generate x-rays and inelastic collisions. In the case of x-rays, inner shell lattice electrons will be excited and will emit photons with up to ~ 9 keV energy. In case of inelastic collisions, there are isomeric transitions for nickel in the MeV range. I am not sure what the relative cross sections for inelastic collisions from fast alphas are. Some reactions that produce alphas will also normally be accompanied by the emission of a gamma (but not all reactions). In the case of otherwise gamma-emitting reactions, it's possible that the reaction energy is instead transmitted to the ensemble of electrons, each electron dividing the total share into smaller pieces and emitting a photon. If the ensemble is large, even a reaction with 20+ MeV can be quickly and quietly dissipated in the production of x-rays. If this happened, the daughter alpha itself might have little to no kinetic energy. The weak point in this line of investigation has to do with how to explain why the process would be so efficient that it would not result in stray gammas of the kind being short-circuited or in inelastic collisions with lattice sites. Nonetheless I find screening of some kind from the electron cloud provided by the lattice sites, together with thermalization through the agitation of a large ensemble of electrons, a very interesting line of exploration. Eric
[Vo]:LINK!
I forgot to send the link to my blog issue of today it is: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/07/lenr-dramas-and-info-for-jul-13-2015.html Great men make great errors: Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:a positive Parkhomov replication in Moscow
Dear Friends, My metaphoric LENR Ahriman and Ormuzd are Sameness and Otherness.of LENR; I have imagined the drama of a honest nuclear physicist educated for believing in Samenss confronted with experimewntal results demonstrating Otherness. News: a positive Parkhomov replication in Moscow; I am waiting for details ready to translate them for you. Best wishes, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:good by global warming
Thank you! The context was confusing, probably all the more so from it being a Russian site. From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 9:55 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:good by global warming Chris, solar activity will fall by 60 per cent' That is largely referring to the number of sun spots. The radiation at most frequencies changes only a little.
[Vo]:Neutrinos and LENR
Last year - 2014 - the neutrino mass was accurately measured for the first time. To cut to the chase, the average mass-energy of neutrinos (all of the 3/6 varieties) is about .32 eV, which is the thermal equivalent of about 2900 degrees C. This is an accessible value which has practical implications if thermal resonance can be made into an operating parameter. Since the early days of LENR, a few theorists were predicting that neutrinos could provide some of the answers to the excess heat, since the neutrino flux is extremely large. At that time, it was not yet proved that neutrinos had rest mass, however. But it is obvious that capturing an extra micro % of the total flux would provide the easy route to thermal gain, with no gammas. To confuse things however, neutrino capture would also create a few nuclear reactions, in addition to direct heating. Since any slight increase in the capture rate of the neutrino flux would make a huge difference in thermal properties of the target, this could be a fertile area of research, (now that an actual value can be attached to neutrino mass-energy). In the simplest case, we need only ask: can neutrino capture be enhanced by even a tiny amount simply by providing a better antenna. such as a heated antenna? . cough, cough. such as a dogbone antenna :-) If so, then we should see anomalous thermal results in other industrial areas where metals are routinely melted (metal casting and forging). And indeed, one thermal phenomenon that comes to mind here is known as recalescence. The extra heat of recalescence is usually attributed to phase-change, but this has not been well-studied. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recalescence Neutrinos interact weakly with cold matter and are hard to study and measure but with a heated antenna, which could be kept at say - one-half the equivalent rest-mass temperature of the neutrino flux, then the possibility arises of creating a thermal resonance around the blackbody value of the IR radiation level, in order to enhance the capture rate slightly. The input heat need only provide a trigger for positive reinforcement but it would seem that a small magnetic field is also useful. Just a thought for Bastille Day, Independence Day, Canada Day and the other July National Days. Maybe in a few years we will be celebrating Energy-Independence Day. well, that sounds preferable to Neutrino Day :-)
[Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
Regarding: ... the E-Cat is a massive source of alpha particles I have not seen this confirmed as an experimental observation. I understand that this statement has its origins in the theory proposed from N. Cook. I find this statement hard to believe since energetic alpha particle emission produces lots of powerful EMF such as gamma rays in the process of Alpha thermalization. Out of the various successful replications, no one has confirmed the detection of Alpha radiation or gamma radiation. To make the N. Cook theory complete, there should be reasons and mechanisms provided that explain how the gamma radiation from Alpha particles are thermalized or downshifted. Furthermore, it is bad to base a theory of E-Cat reaction on the production of ionizing radiation. Any source of nuclear radiation has, is, and will be regulated. This most probably will place regulation of the E-Cat under the Nuclear Regulation Authority (NRA) nationally in the U.S.A. and the IAEA internationally. In other words to make a long story short, the theory of Alpha particle production will KILL the E-Cat and all its various uses worldwide. Does Rossi understand that his current reaction theory will kill the E-Cat? The theory of the E-Cat has quintessential political and regulatory ramifications. The formulation of LENR theory must explain how the LENR reaction is not harmful in any way, shape or form, that it is totally benign, and that it is supported by experiential observation. The theory of LENR must be crafted so that it does not place a killing weapon into the hands of the opponents of LENR. Does Rossi understnd this? I would advise Rossi to change his theory for LENR now.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
Its may be correct if the alphas not are from alpha decay but direct from LENR reactions. The alphas may have energy producing soft x-rays. On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:34:28 -0400, Axil Axil wrote: Regarding: ... the E-Cat is a massive source of alpha particles I have not seen this confirmed as an experimental observation. I understand that this statement has its origins in the theory proposed from N. Cook. I find this statement hard to believe since energetic alpha particle emission produces lots of powerful EMF such as gamma rays in the process of Alpha thermalization. Out of the various successful replications, no one has confirmed the detection of Alpha radiation or gamma radiation. To make the N. Cook theory complete, there should be reasons and mechanisms provided that explain how the gamma radiation from Alpha particles are thermalized or downshifted. Furthermore, it is bad to base a theory of E-Cat reaction on the production of ionizing radiation. Any source of nuclear radiation has, is, and will be regulated. This most probably will place regulation of the E-Cat under the Nuclear Regulation Authority (NRA) nationally in the U.S.A. and the IAEA internationally. In other words to make a long story short, the theory of Alpha particle production will KILL the E-Cat and all its various uses worldwide. Does Rossi understand that his current reaction theory will kill the E-Cat? The theory of the E-Cat has quintessential political and regulatory ramifications. The formulation of LENR theory must explain how the LENR reaction is not harmful in any way, shape or form, that it is totally benign, and that it is supported by experiential observation. The theory of LENR must be crafted so that it does not place a killing weapon into the hands of the opponents of LENR. Does Rossi understnd this? I would advise Rossi to change his theory for LENR now.
Re: [Vo]:The quest for everlasting power
I wrote: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net wrote: I guess he could say that there is no art yet -- it's a pioneering patent, but that's a legal question. No, the patent *must* enable a PHOSITA to replicate, or it is invalid. That is the main purpose of a patent. . . . What I am saying here is that there has to be an art. You can't claim the technique is so new that no one has the skill to replicate it. First, that would be ridiculous in the case of the Rossi device. Anyone can see it would not be difficult to replicate. Second that would be unprecedented in the history of technology. Anything that one group of skilled experts can make, another group of skilled experts can replicate, with the possible exception of a few things such as thermonuclear weapons, robot explorers on Mars, or the CERN Atlas Detector. Granted there are trade secrets which experts cannot easily reverse engineer and replicate, but that is only because the experts do not have access to the secret, not because the process is inherently too complicated to replicate, or too new to replicate. A patent must reveal all secrets. It is the opposite of a trade secret. If any aspect of it is secret, the patent is invalid. Most trade secrets survive not because they are particularly difficult to replicate but because they are not important enough to be worth the effort of reverse engineering. (In real life, most companies would not bother to reverse engineer. They would poach key employees instead.) Third, if the device was so new and unprecedented that no one could replicate it, that would mean the inventor cannot explain how to make one, which means it would not be patentable. This would also make it impossible to mass-produce. Note that valid patents often leave out what at first glance a person might consider a critical aspect of an invention. The invention might be useless without these details. For example, the Wright brothers' 1906 airplane patent did not include any information about engines or propellers. This was valid because they were not trying to patent engines and propellers. They were patenting the three-axis control method. It was also valid because everyone knew you cannot fly an airplane without an engine and propellers. You do not need to state something so obvious in a patent. Here is the patent: http://invention.psychology.msstate.edu/inventors/i/Wrights/WrightUSPatent/WrightPatent.html This patent held up very well. It survived many challenges. One of the best-known and biggest challenges was the use of wing flaps instead of wing warping. This patent was ruled broad enough to include the former. This patent was written by patent attorney H. A. Toulmin, who knew what he was doing. The Wrights first wrote a patent themselves which was summarily rejected. An amateur patent written by them would not have lasted five minutes in court. Toulmin was the one who recommended to them that they narrow the patent down to a claim for three-axis control without other details. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Furthermore, it is bad to base a theory of E-Cat reaction on the production of ionizing radiation. Any source of nuclear radiation has, is, and will be regulated. This most probably will place regulation of the E-Cat under the Nuclear Regulation Authority (NRA) nationally in the U.S.A. and the IAEA internationally. This is a surreal assertion. It makes no sense to say that basing a theory on this is a bad thing! The E-Cat is what it is. If the E-Cat does produce ionizing radiation, that is an inescapable fact. It will surely be discovered long before the device can be commercialized. Whatever institutions are now in charge of regulating ionizing radiation will be in charge of the E-Cat in that case. Perhaps these institutions can be changed, or the rules can be changed, but the radiation itself cannot be. You cannot avoid or negate radiation by changing the theory. A theory has no influence over reality. It can only explain that reality, or fail to explain it -- in which case it is useless. - Jed
[Vo]:WIRED: Paradoxical Crystal Baffles Physicists
Check out this great article I read on WIRED: Paradoxical Crystal Baffles Physicists http://www.wired.com/2015/07/paradoxical-crystal-baffles-physicists/
Re: [Vo]:Neutrinos and LENR
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:06:00 -0700: Hi, [snip] Neutrinos interact weakly with cold matter and are hard to study and measure but with a heated antenna, which could be kept at say - one-half the equivalent rest-mass temperature of the neutrino flux, then the possibility arises of creating a thermal resonance around the blackbody value of the IR radiation level, in order to enhance the capture rate slightly. The input heat need only provide a trigger for positive reinforcement but it would seem that a small magnetic field is also useful. Note that a large part of the core of the Earth is hot, not cold, and also subject to a small magnetic field, yet nevertheless absorbs few of the neutrinos passing through it. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
The Rossi theory is useless and does not discrible the LENR reaction. To promalgate a usless, invalid, and politically distrutive theory is foolhardy. On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Furthermore, it is bad to base a theory of E-Cat reaction on the production of ionizing radiation. Any source of nuclear radiation has, is, and will be regulated. This most probably will place regulation of the E-Cat under the Nuclear Regulation Authority (NRA) nationally in the U.S.A. and the IAEA internationally. This is a surreal assertion. It makes no sense to say that basing a theory on this is a bad thing! The E-Cat is what it is. If the E-Cat does produce ionizing radiation, that is an inescapable fact. It will surely be discovered long before the device can be commercialized. Whatever institutions are now in charge of regulating ionizing radiation will be in charge of the E-Cat in that case. Perhaps these institutions can be changed, or the rules can be changed, but the radiation itself cannot be. You cannot avoid or negate radiation by changing the theory. A theory has no influence over reality. It can only explain that reality, or fail to explain it -- in which case it is useless. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
The LENR reaction does not produce protons, alpha, beta, or gamma, radiation when the reactor is well heated. On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The Rossi theory is useless and does not discrible the LENR reaction. To promalgate a usless, invalid, and politically distrutive theory is foolhardy. On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Furthermore, it is bad to base a theory of E-Cat reaction on the production of ionizing radiation. Any source of nuclear radiation has, is, and will be regulated. This most probably will place regulation of the E-Cat under the Nuclear Regulation Authority (NRA) nationally in the U.S.A. and the IAEA internationally. This is a surreal assertion. It makes no sense to say that basing a theory on this is a bad thing! The E-Cat is what it is. If the E-Cat does produce ionizing radiation, that is an inescapable fact. It will surely be discovered long before the device can be commercialized. Whatever institutions are now in charge of regulating ionizing radiation will be in charge of the E-Cat in that case. Perhaps these institutions can be changed, or the rules can be changed, but the radiation itself cannot be. You cannot avoid or negate radiation by changing the theory. A theory has no influence over reality. It can only explain that reality, or fail to explain it -- in which case it is useless. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The Rossi theory is useless and does not discrible the LENR reaction. To promalgate a usless, invalid, and politically distrutive theory is foolhardy. That is an entirely different issue. The first assertion you made was that it is it is bad to base a theory of E-Cat reaction on . . . ionizing radiation because such radiation will be regulated. That is surrealistic. It is irrational. If there is radiation, it will be regulated. If there is no radiation the device may not be regulated by agencies that deal with radiation. There is no doubt the E-Cat will be regulated. Every single machine and device is regulated, including spoons, scissors, pins and needles. They always have been regulated, in Medieval times by guilds, and today by government agencies and industry groups. There is nothing you can buy or consume in any first world country that is not covered by regulations. There is no chance anyone will ever buy or sell E-Cats that have not been tested and approved by some government agency. The only questions are which agency, and which set of rules. - Jed
[Vo]:Superradiance and blowouts.
Regarding the announcement of the replication attempts made by Igor Stepanov et al: “After three trials with fast destruction of the cell due to uncontrollable overheating, at June 19, 2015 it was succeed to obtain constant function of the cell with excess heat observed.” One of the major issues that face the replicators of the Lugano experiment deals with destruction of the reactor as a result of a massive production of power at the onset of the LENR reaction that has been called a “blowout”. The question arises as follows: What produces these blowouts and how can they be avoided? The Quantum mechanical theory of LENR (QMLT) provides guidance as to the cause and solution to this issue. To start off, it has been observed in the analysis of the fuel from the Lugano report that large aggregations of nickel particles form as a consequence of electrostatic attraction between 5 micron nickel particles. A nickel particle aggregation of up to 100 microns in size is formed in the fuel sometimes before the LENR reaction fires off. The QMLT explains that this large super nickel particle aggregation forms of Bose Einstein Condensate of SPPs that are coherent and entangled with the atoms of hydrogen that surround the Nickel particle aggregation (NPA). The NPA acts as a single system as if it were a superatom that was 100 microns in size. When the LENR reaction begins, the entire NPA acts in unison and a global Fusion reaction happens to all the nickel atoms throughout the NPA. The same fusion reaction happens to each and every nickel atom in the same way and at the same time. The NPA produces a combined instantaneous power spike from each and every nickel atom no matter if the atom was Ni58 or N60 an so on. All the nickel atoms instantaneously become Ni62 in a single global unitary nuclear reaction. This single reaction is why only Ni62 is seen in the ash of the NPA. This is called super radiance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superradiance The energy production from all the millions of nickel atoms happen at the same time and produce an enormous amount of heat. This destroys the NPA and the reactor structure near it. The solution to possibly avoiding this fusion explosion is to reduce the size of the NPA to a 5 micron size and spread the zone of the lenr reaction over a large volume. That is, to insure that the nickel particles are distributed over and throughout a very large volume. The goal is to avoid global entanglement at startup and postpone it untile the reaction has matured. This might be done by placing the nickel particles inside a metal foam mesh to keep them from moving together under the influence of electrostatic attraction. The nickel form mesh will dissipate the static charge that usually aggregates free moving particles,
Re: [Vo]:Neutrinos and LENR
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:06:00 -0700: Hi, [snip] Since the early days of LENR, a few theorists were predicting that neutrinos could provide some of the answers to the excess heat, since the neutrino flux is extremely large. At that time, it was not yet proved that neutrinos had rest mass, however. But it is obvious that capturing an extra micro % of the total flux would provide the easy route to thermal gain, with no gammas. To confuse things however, neutrino capture would also create a few nuclear reactions, in addition to direct heating. Unless those neutrinos are left over from the big bang, the neutrino flux is about 80 W / m^2. This is what we get from the Sun. The neutrino flux from Stars is proportionate to the light flux, and since the light from the Sun vastly outweighs the light from the stars, the neutrino flux from our Sun must also vastly outweigh the combined neutrino flux from the stars. Ergo, the neutrino flux is not extremely large, in fact it's only about 8% of the energy we receive in the form of Sunlight, and we are better off using solar panels, the more so since we know how to do that, while trapping neutrino energy is a complete unknown at present. The only advantage to trapping neutrino energy would be that it is available 24/7. Even so it would need to be done cheaply with near 100% efficiency, and this seems extremely unlikely given the incredibly low cross section of neutrino interactions (given that they are only available 24/7 because they pass through the Earth almost unhindered). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:Neutrinos and LENR
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com Note that a large part of the core of the Earth is hot, not cold, and also subject to a small magnetic field, yet nevertheless absorbs few of the neutrinos passing through it. On the contrary, Robin - the hot core of Earth could be considered evidence of neutrino heating (or accelerated decay rates due to neutron flux). We do not know the actual contribution of every source. We do know the amount of neutrino flux at Earth' surface is astronomical, so to speak - around 7x10^10 neutrinos/cm^2/s ! Most of these would be non-solar in origin, but that does not change the intensity which is actually higher inside than on the surface. So-called geo-neutrinos which are generated in situ from beta decay, could account for a portion of the internal heat - which could be in addition to solar neutrinos. At least the geo-neutrino is evidence of alpha/beta decay QUOTE: Research has shown that Earth's total heat output is about 44 terawatts...we found roughly half of that comes from radioactive decay of uranium, thorium and other materials ... meaning that about 50 percent of the earth's heat comes from geo-neutrinos. END That statement from the reference below is confusing, and indicates that even the experts do not have much more than an informed guess. At one time, not too long ago - this internal heat was said to come from uranium fission - now fission is said to be all but non-existent (compared to decay). And furthermore - we know that beta decay itself is influenced by background neutrino flux. http://www.astrobio.net/topic/solar-system/earth/geology/half-of-earths-heat -from-radioactive-decay/#sthash.PQXjYiwj.dpuf In short, there is a good possibility that neutrino heating of Earth, especially via slightly accelerated decay rates of existing isotopes, has been underestimated in importance - especially considering increased neutrino absorption rates at higher density and higher heat of the deep core.
