That's your belief. If you are satisfied with it, then it's good. It
doesn't matter now. If what Rossi says is true, the technology will soon
spread. Otherwise, it's all a lie.
2016-04-09 22:56 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
>
> Defkalion never responded to Gamberale. They never disputed the report, or
First, a link to his curriculum vita:
http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123620809_1.pdf
Penon is a registered engineer in Padua (registration #2311). He is is
listed with the Italian National Council of Engineers:
https://www.tuttoingegnere.it/PortaleCNI/it/albo_unico.wp;jsessionid=2B2157893
Jones,
You claimed I was childishly ignorant and naive. This seems typical of
your jumping to conclusions without the facts. What have you done to
justify making that judgement?
I don't give a damn what you think about me.
I do object to you libeling others who are not here to defend themse
Rossi stands accused of trivializing The War On LENR. ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaRtlMp-hMU
Harry
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: a.ashfield
>
> "... besides consulting for ... institutions like EPRI. What great things
> have you
Daniel Rocha wrote:
That's not true.
>
> 2016-04-09 13:05 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
>
>>
>> It went under because of the events described in the report. The report
>> was published after Defkalion-Europe discovered the fraud, informed the
>> customers, closed down and liquidated. That's what the r
-Original Message-
From: a.ashfield
"... besides consulting for ... institutions like EPRI. What great things have
you done that makes you think you are so superior?"
Did I say "superior"? This isn't a pissing contest between the two of us -
instead we should be talking specifically ab
Jones,
Jones. "This is the kind of Milquetoast response expected of your
so-called proper
English education... oops, another ad hominem and maybe that adjective
is not
to your liking either ... but puerile is what this is all about - who
understands the situation and who is childishly ignoran
Adrian,
This is the kind of Milquetoast response expected of your so-called proper
English education... oops, another ad hominem and maybe that adjective is not
to your liking either ... but puerile is what this is all about - who
understands the situation and who is childishly ignorant of it.
I revisited the nextbigfuture site. I would say the comments are still
mainly in favor of Rossi or at least not dogmatic like Jones' comments.
Even GoatGuy acknowledges the possibility that Rossi is right. I note
GoatGuy (and Jones) said Rossi had been convicted of fraud. That is NOT
true.
Jones wrote: " is English your second language or do you simply prefer not
to understand it when it fits your puerile agenda? Why not go back and
read the
posts before making a further obnoxious jerk out of yourself.
AA. As I was educated in England I suspect it is more likely your
second lan
Adrian Ashfield … is English your second language or do you simply prefer not
to understand it when it fits your puerile agenda? Why not go back and read the
posts before making a further obnoxious jerk out of yourself.
You stated in response to the original post on Wang's headline: "Seems 90%
I concur having been at the bench of cold fusion for more than two decades I
can testify to the very real demand for such artistry to make it work best. I
have witnessed examples of such artistry in my travels and work in many of the
best cold fusion labs around the world. Those who are most str
My! This is more entertaining than Donald Trump's presidential campaign.😈
We call it "The Hutchison Effect." The opposite corollary we call "The
Little Effect."
I note you didn't answer the question. You bitched about "anonymous
fanboys" but can't name them.
You specialize in ad hominems and ignore facts that are contrary to your
preconceived beliefs.. You libel Rossi calling him a fraud when you have
no proof of that.
How can you write off the ERV's
Maybe Rossi knows what frequency to tune the control system to, and the rough
dial frequency control takes some time to arrive at a good setting by trial
and error. It’s like tuning a short wave old-time radio receiver to one
station you like with no good metric on the dial to tell you where t
Alas the babble here on Vortex and other similar venues all focusing on either
Rossi or IH being fools is preposterous. That’s a spin mastering ploy that is
as old as human stupid egotism. Neither Rossi nor IH went into this without
consummate skills and experience, plenty of quirks as well, I a
Get you head out of ass, Ashfield.
Mindless defense of a con-artist is fan-boy trolling by any definition.
-Original Message-
From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 11:30 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a
Russ--
Your comment about Rossi avoiding the courts, if he were off base on his
complaints, was the first thought that entered my mind when I read the
complaint. He clearly is on the right side of the truth and was smart enough
to plan for contingencies in his potential negative interactions w
I agree there is some credible ‘crowd science’ alas the trolls are such a
nuisance that I cannot imagine that in this matter there is any hope.
Like you I would love nothing more than to see the data of the long test and
listen to it speak.
The issue I see here persistently is the crit
Russ, I am not proposing 'science by mob rule'. There is "some" credible
analysis being done on data released to the public. When the Lugano report
was released, the analysis that ensued was valuable in understanding the
significance of what had been done. The Lugano researchers, processing
scie
Russ George wrote: "Indeed, those using screen names are scurrilous
louses in every way perfectly defined as trolls. It is those of us who
feed them by responding to them who keep them around to poison the
internet. It's a challenge to ignore them as their words and actions
don't have mere tri
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/04/mar-9-2016-scenario-of-lenrdammerung.html
a bit later than usual, I am in the frontline of tis organized LENR
Armageddon or Twilight and "here I am here I will stay"
Everybody, me included can decide what future he/she wants for LENR.
peter
--
Dr. Peter Glu
Indeed, those using screen names are scurrilous louses in every way perfectly
defined as trolls. It is those of us who feed them by responding to them who
keep them around to poison the internet. It's a challenge to ignore them as
their words and actions don't have mere trivial effect.
-O
Jones wrote: "Rossi's ERV appears from past work and reputation to be
no more than a
glorified mechanic with no analytical skills and personal allegiance to
Rossi.
Consequently, the only way to resolve the issue is turn the device over to
experts with real credentials - who are not connected to
Bob, It seems your proposal is for ‘science by mob rule’. Such suggestions
ignore the fact that the internet is a swirling cesspool,vortex, that is easily
overwhelmed by those willing to post outlandish lies distortions/spin. To
suggest that some semblance of truth can be arrived at via the net
Yes! I second the motion to release all the raw data. It would help to
evaluate the claims.
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016, 12:06 PM Bob Higgins wrote:
> It is amazing that there are so many lofty positions being taken on the
> basis of little-to-no released data. If IH and Rossi each believe their
> po
It is amazing that there are so many lofty positions being taken on the
basis of little-to-no released data. If IH and Rossi each believe their
positions, then I say, "PUBLICLY RELEASE THE RAW DATA ALONG WITH OBSERVER
COMMENTS". Play chicken. See who objects to release of the data.
Let the inte
Comments from most fan-boys hiding behind screen names on the internet are
worth what you pay for them - nothing.
IH says they tried for 3 years to see excess heat and there was none. That
statement will have validity if it is shown in discovery that IH has hired
qualified PhD experts with rea
Jones--
If the customer only wanted heat for 8 hours a day and it was being produced at
a cop of 50, 8 or maybe even 24 Mw hrs of energy could readily have been
produced per day. The agreement seems to say that it need only indicate a cop
of 4 as I recall. It may be that the intermittent sig
Have a look at Mats Lewan's analysis. It seems much more comprehensive
and less biased to me
https://animpossibleinvention.com/2016/04/09/heres-my-hypothesis-on-the-rossi-ih-affair/
He is a science reporter who is MUCH more knowledgeable about LENR than
Wang.
Jones, further to your belief in
I was thinking more practically, perhaps Rossi actually has a tiny device that
with emanations, perhaps some kind of mystery muons or ;)
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 9:23 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's magic wand ?
Like a medieval
I am at time irritated by Axil’s anonymous posts but he is spot on with his
comments here on the E-Cat and the attackers …
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 9:17 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb
If the Rossi sys
Like a medieval relic, how small a piece of Rossi most be supplied with a
delivered E-Cat to get it to work? a lock of hair, a piece of bone...
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Russ George wrote:
> Now there appear some suggestions in the blogsphere that the E-Cat only
> works really well when R
If the Rossi system does not work, why is it still in operation producing
power at the customer's site?
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 12:02 PM, a.ashfield wrote:
> Did you read the comments? Seems >90% thought the article was biased and
> wrong.
>
> The point that the skeptics here are avoiding is the
Now there appear some suggestions in the blogsphere that the E-Cat only works
really well when Rossi is present… That of course suggests that Rossi is
carrying a ‘magic wand’ which he waves over the E-Cats to get them to purr.
What could be in his magic wand, surely not simply a bit of knotty wo
That's not true.
2016-04-09 13:05 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell :
>
> It went under because of the events described in the report. The report
> was published after Defkalion-Europe discovered the fraud, informed the
> customers, closed down and liquidated. That's what the report said.
>
> - Jed
>
>
--
Daniel Rocha wrote:
My opinion is that people of DE are liers.
>
Then why didn't Defkalion publish the facts? Why didn't they deny this
report? Also, why did the data they showed at ICCF support Gamberale's
claims?
A far as I know, DGT was under before any report was released.
>
It went under
Did you read the comments? Seems >90% thought the article was biased
and wrong.
The point that the skeptics here are avoiding is the importance of the
ERV's report. Surely this is the most important piece of evidence yet
those who write it off have not even seen it. Beats me.
Axil Axil wrote:
> JED: "That's absurd. I did nothing to destroy them. I ignored them."
>
>
> Jed Rothwell
> 5/17/14
> to vortex-l
> Daniel Rocha wrote:
>
>
>> I wish you'd believe me he did not get the result in that way. :)
>>
>
> Ask him. If Kim tells me he observed experiments himself, I
The reason was quite personal. I can tell that now, since too much time has
already passed.
2016-04-09 13:00 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha :
> A far as I know, DGT was under before any report was released.
>
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
A far as I know, DGT was under before any report was released.
JED: "That's absurd. I did nothing to destroy them. I ignored them."
Jed Rothwell
5/17/14
to vortex-l
Daniel Rocha wrote:
> I wish you'd believe me he did not get the result in that way. :)
>
Ask him. If Kim tells me he observed experiments himself, I will believe it.
I will still consider
Fran--
I tend to agree with your conclusion—“they thought they were the only sharks in
the tank and now look like idiots.”
Rossi stands to gain much financial support by the rich entities that are
willing to bet on his upper hand.
The fact that the US government has been in the LENR R&D ac
My opinion is that people of DE are liers.
Axil Axil wrote:
> You or all people understand the need to destroy people and put a company
> out of business on account of a perceived slight. Defkalion cost you $1000
> on a plane ticket and you did your best to kill that company.
>
That's absurd. I did nothing to destroy them. I ignored the
I find this post about a ‘court ordered process’ indicative of the pervasive
‘passive aggressive’ tone of some here on Vortex. Rossi’s stated intentions are
cast aside, which clearly include production and sale of many of his E-Cats.
This makes any ‘court ordered’ process ridiculous unless one w
Rossi 1 Megawatt Energy Catalyzer is a failure after 3 years of testing by
Industrial Heat
Brian Wang is super-intelligent, open-minded and supportive of new
technologies.
.the only valid conclusion to draw from this headline is that an honest
reporter who has followed this story since the begin
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
The resolution to this dilemma – and the court may order it – is pretty
> simple: to have the system independently tested by a fully qualified ERV –
> one with real credentials such as via PhDs from the University of Miami,
> which is not far awa
Yes Jed of all people surely does own this comment by Axil as has been shown to
be repeated time and time again.
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 5:49 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi
Jed,
You or all peopl
And yet the Rossi plant is still producing power with a new fuel load on
the customer's site and Rossi is not in the shipping containers nor is any
IH personnel.
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
> Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>
>
> Ø What you say makes no sense. I.H. wants out fro
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Ø What you say makes no sense. I.H. wants out from under the contract; Rossi
wants them to abide by it. The only issue is whether the test proves there was
heat or not. Everything hinges on that. If the test showed no heat, that means
there is no intellectual property at
>From the earlier posted copy of the agreement between Rossi and IH (
http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al__flsdce-16-21199__0001.2.pdf),
there is a list of patents included in the licensed IP:
1 - ltalian patent granted for process and apparatu
Jed said this was coming and it will not stop.
Subject: taco bell automates fast food
http://www.aol.com/article/2016/04/07/taco-bell-is-using-a-chat-bot-to-completely-change-how-you-order/21339954/
Perhaps this is why IH kept spinning off shell companies- to dampen the
liability when they intentionally violated the nondisclosure and IP. A lot
cheaper to let the “e-cat” out of the bag and then depend on your head start
once the Chinese do the grunt work for you. Setting up a no lose scenari
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