Re: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to be the precursor to all future devices

[Jed Rothwell]

I wrote:


> ULVAC quadrupole mass spectrometer: model YTP-50M.
> Built in precision meter, ULVAC, GCMT G-Tran ISG-1
>
> I do not know if this has the umph to measure helium.
>

Let me put that in more technical terms. I mean I do not know whether it
has enough resolution, power, moxie or chutzpah.

Re: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely tobetheprecursor to all future devices

[Jed Rothwell]

Axil Axil  wrote:


> If the reactor stops producing heat at some later time, the fuel
> consumption rate can be calculated and this data might indicate what energy
> production mechanism is producing energy in the mesh reactor.
>

I have a feeling that might be caused by contamination rather than fuel
exhaustion. It might be difficult to determine which it is. If air leaks
in, that will definitely contaminate, and cause the reaction to stop.
Mizuno has deliberately admitted air, and observed that is what happens. I
do not know how much air it takes.

[Vo]:Re: vibrator

[Frank Znidarsic]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SS881QL/ref=sspa_dk_detail_9?psc=1_rd_i=B07SS881QL_rd_w=D6wfV_rd_p=8a8f3917-7900-4ce8-ad90-adf0d53c0985_rd_wg=arkyi_rd_r=EZSTH1RQ1D7YNPVH5M9Q_rd_r=e5d95cbe-a73a-11e9-90e7-f1525924e8b2=A1KXS0WP6SWWJO


-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2019 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: vibrator

Here is a picture of the x5 vibrator.  I estimate that the loops have a natural 
frequency of about 10 mega hertz.  That's what I would expect from my megahertz 
meter relationship.
Can an understanding of cold fusion produce a better uhf antenna?



Frank Znidarsic

[Vo]:Re: vibrator

[Frank Znidarsic]

Here is a picture of the x5 vibrator.  I estimate that the loops have a natural 
frequency of about 10 mega hertz.  That's what I would expect from my megahertz 
meter relationship.
Can an understanding of cold fusion produce a better uhf antenna?



Frank Znidarsic

[Vo]:vibrator

[Frank Znidarsic]

I am still working with antenna design.  On the Yagi antenna the part of the 
front was called the director.  With newer UHF antennas the part on the front 
is called a vibarator. 
My work shows that the collapse of the wave function is associted with 
vibration at a dimensional frequency of one megahertz-meter.  I am looking for 
a connection between an antenna's vibrator and the thermal stimuation of a cold 
fusion nano cluster.  Perhaps an antenna with active vibration could be 
designed.
ref my book "Energy, Cold Fusion and Antigravity" at Amazon.com.
Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely tobetheprecursor to all future devices

[Axil Axil]

One possible way to shed some new light on the fusion issue is to run an
experiment were the pressure of deuterium is reduced slowly down toward the
1 pa limit to see how the rate of heat output behaves. Once a minimum
sustainable pressure is determined where the mesh reactor still produces
steady heat output, run the reactor at this  minimum  productive pressure
regime and monitor how the heat output varies over time.

If the reactor stops producing heat at some later time, the fuel
consumption rate can be calculated and this data might indicate what energy
production mechanism is producing energy in the mesh reactor.

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 9:56 AM JonesBeene  wrote:

>
>
> Reality Check. Surprisingly, nuclear fusion of deuterium into helium seems 
> NOT sufficiently energetic to account for the Mizuno claim of heating his 
> home.
>
>
>
> Mass is apparently being converted into energy, but how? And what are the 
> ramifications of such a low reactor inventory of deuterium gas?
>
>
>
> The main contenders for excess energy production would be:
>
>
>
> 1) D+D -> He
>
> 2) Deflation of electrons – i.e. the Millsean approach
>
> 3) Disintegration of deuterons into muons – Holmlid’s theory - which is far 
> more energetic than fusion in terms of entropy per unit of mass
>
> 4) Sequential Coulomb explosions from cluster formation –hypothesis from 
> Hora, Miley etc.
>
> 5) Any combination or permutation of the above
>
>
>
> If fusion of D into He is your choice - then one gram of fused deuterium 
> yields 10^12J (one terajoule)of energy, but when based on the low operating 
> pressure of 100-300 Pa (100 Pa = .001 bar) and the need for low metal 
> loading, as stated in his paper - that set of factors represents a tiny fuel 
> inventory, such that when completely fused into helium would generate about 
> 278 kilowatt hours of equivalent heat.
>
>
>
> If Mizuno was producing close to 3 kW continuous to heat his house in a 
> Sapporo winter, he could run it for only about 100 hours without a refill if 
> the gain was from fusion and the inventory was at the low end of his specs. 
> At any rate, if the gain was from nuclear fusion only - then almost all of 
> the deuterium would be converted, and the helium ash should be easily 
> measurable.
>
>
>
> There should be no need for a cold trap to increase the helium ratio – the 
> residual gas after less than a week should be almost all helium, no? Even if 
> these calculations are off by a large factor, the helium content should be 
> obvious.
>
>
>
> IOW – in the naïve assessment of the breakthrough claim of Mizuno – 
> specifically the heating of his home – after 100 hours or so of operation, 
> there should be a whopping milligram of helium and little deuterium in the 
> reactor to measure.
>
>
>
> In contrast – Holmlid’s theory proposes deuteron disintegration (with
> inadvertent fusion). His theory suggests that about 4 GeV of mass-energy
> per every two atoms of deuterium lost could be converted into energy. This
> is about 150 times MORE potential energy per unit of mass (converted into
> energy) than can be derived from fusion into helium.
>
>
>
> On the surface, then – fusion of deuterium into helium appears to be too
> weak a reaction to account for the Mizuno claims of heating his home, and
> only the Holmlid effect would have an adequate output.
>
>
>
> Why isn’t the Holmlid effect the favored hypothesis?
>
>
>
> Jones
>

RE: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to be theprecursor to all future devices

[JonesBeene]

Thanks. 

In addition to the cold trap technique which Russ George mentioned and offered 
to help with - there is this:

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.1143286

“Separation of helium and deuterium peaks with a quadrupole mass spectrometer 
by using the second stability zone in the Mathieu diagram”


From: Jed Rothwell

JonesBeene wrote:
Good point. Jed knows the details of the  mass spec Mizuno had available,  
which was damaged in the earthquake. IIRC it was being repaired when the paper 
was written and its  present status has not been reported. Perhaps he will 
comment on this.
ULVAC quadrupole mass spectrometer: model YTP-50M.
Built in precision meter, ULVAC, GCMT G-Tran ISG-1

I do not know if this has the umph to measure helium. It is working. The SEM is 
still busted and will take $20,000 or $30,000 to fix.

Surely Mizuno was looking for helium before his lab was destroyed - so it is 
expected that  he knows how  to resolve the small mass difference.
I do not know if he did this or not.

Re: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to be the precursor to all future devices

[Jed Rothwell]

JonesBeene  wrote:

>

> Good point. Jed knows the details of the  mass spec Mizuno had available,
>  which was damaged in the earthquake. IIRC it was being repaired when the
> paper was written and its  present status has not been reported. Perhaps he
> will comment on this.
>

ULVAC quadrupole mass spectrometer: model YTP-50M.
Built in precision meter, ULVAC, GCMT G-Tran ISG-1

I do not know if this has the umph to measure helium. It is working. The
SEM is still busted and will take $20,000 or $30,000 to fix.



> Surely Mizuno was looking for helium before his lab was destroyed - so it
> is expected that  he knows how  to resolve the small mass difference.
>

I do not know if he did this or not.

RE: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to be the precursor to all future devices

[JonesBeene]

Good point. Jed knows the details of the  mass spec Mizuno had available,  
which was damaged in the earthquake. IIRC it was being repaired when the paper 
was written and its  present status has not been reported. Perhaps he will 
comment on this.

Surely Mizuno was looking for helium before his lab was destroyed - so it is 
expected that  he knows how  to resolve the small mass difference.

It would certainly be most informative to have information about helium as a 
first priority…

From: russ.geo...@gmail.com

If one is working with a quadrapole mass spec, and especially a small one like 
an RGA it will be impossible to devolve the peaks of 4He and D2. Only by being 
certain that little D2 is present by trapping it in a cold or getter trap on 
the way to the mass spec can one ever be certain that the sample is 4He instead 
of D2. The practice is clearly informative as one learns the operation of the 
RGA with and without the cold trap.

RE: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely tobetheprecursor to all future devices

[russ.george]

If one is working with a quadrapole mass spec, and especially a small one like 
an RGA it will be impossible to devolve the peaks of 4He and D2. Only by being 
certain that little D2 is present by trapping it in a cold or getter trap on 
the way to the mass spec can one ever be certain that the sample is 4He instead 
of D2. The practice is clearly informative as one learns the operation of the 
RGA with and without the cold trap.

 

Don’t be fooled by imaginary methods with such close masses. No one will ever 
believe 4He in such an instrument without proof that the D2 signal is 
suppressed.

 

 

From: Jürg Wyttenbach  
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 3:34 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely tobetheprecursor 
to all future devices

 

For 100kw/h about 1.2mg of deuterium are needed.

 

If pressure is lower then the relative density of D (D2 gas) increases, 
somewhere between 0.15 & 0.45g/l.The inventory is given by Ni/pd surface bound 
D, the volume (15l) of the reactor and the pressure factor (=0.003 for   300Pa) 
.

 

But Mizuno recommends to always let the bottle attached and of course he did 
feed additional deuterium if needed.

 

Holmid does not yet produce any energy. First he must avoid to mainly produce 
positive muons...

 

 

Jürg

 

 

 

Am 15.07.19 um 15:56 schrieb JonesBeene:

 
Reality Check. Surprisingly, nuclear fusion of deuterium into helium seems NOT 
sufficiently energetic to account for the Mizuno claim of heating his home.
 
Mass is apparently being converted into energy, but how? And what are the 
ramifications of such a low reactor inventory of deuterium gas?
 
The main contenders for excess energy production would be:
 
1) D+D -> He
2) Deflation of electrons – i.e. the Millsean approach
3) Disintegration of deuterons into muons – Holmlid’s theory - which is far 
more energetic than fusion in terms of entropy per unit of mass 
4) Sequential Coulomb explosions from cluster formation –hypothesis from Hora, 
Miley etc.
5) Any combination or permutation of the above
 
If fusion of D into He is your choice - then one gram of fused deuterium yields 
10^12J (one terajoule)of energy, but when based on the low operating pressure 
of 100-300 Pa (100 Pa = .001 bar) and the need for low metal loading, as stated 
in his paper - that set of factors represents a tiny fuel inventory, such that 
when completely fused into helium would generate about 278 kilowatt hours of 
equivalent heat. 
 
If Mizuno was producing close to 3 kW continuous to heat his house in a Sapporo 
winter, he could run it for only about 100 hours without a refill if the gain 
was from fusion and the inventory was at the low end of his specs. At any rate, 
if the gain was from nuclear fusion only - then almost all of the deuterium 
would be converted, and the helium ash should be easily measurable.
 
There should be no need for a cold trap to increase the helium ratio – the 
residual gas after less than a week should be almost all helium, no? Even if 
these calculations are off by a large factor, the helium content should be 
obvious.
 
IOW – in the naïve assessment of the breakthrough claim of Mizuno – 
specifically the heating of his home – after 100 hours or so of operation, 
there should be a whopping milligram of helium and little deuterium in the 
reactor to measure.
 

In contrast – Holmlid’s theory proposes deuteron disintegration (with 
inadvertent fusion). His theory suggests that about 4 GeV of mass-energy per 
every two atoms of deuterium lost could be converted into energy. This is about 
150 times MORE potential energy per unit of mass (converted into energy) than 
can be derived from fusion into helium.

 

On the surface, then – fusion of deuterium into helium appears to be too weak a 
reaction to account for the Mizuno claims of heating his home, and only the 
Holmlid effect would have an adequate output.

 

Why isn’t the Holmlid effect the favored hypothesis?

 

Jones

 

-- 
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr.22
8910 Affoltern a.A.
044 760 14 18
079 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to be the precursor to all future devices

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Dear Axil—

You note: “Simply put, in all cases, matter that enters the transmutation 
process whether that matter is acted upon by any nuclear or sub nuclear process 
including  fusion, fission, alpha, beta, and gamma radiation, a newly 
reconfigured stable resultant elemental product comes out.”

IMHO you are correct some of the time, but not always.   Some of our difference 
in opinion may stem from semantics.  Transmutation is generally understood to 
mean a change of  an isotope from one nuclear configuration to another 
configuration with a different total energy—sometimes  the new configuration is 
stable  and  some times not.  For example, neutron activation of stable  and 
unstable isotopes can cause transmutations to   unstable isotopes.  However, 
generally stable neutrinos are thought to occur in transmutations, and thus, 
your comment may be correct in hat a neutrino is believed to be a stable 
elemental (primary) particle.

Electrons and positrons are not thought to be stable particles, since they can 
interact to form photons, loosing their identity associated with a parameter 
called charge.

The unifying natural laws are the 1st and 2nd  laws of thermodynamics and 
conservation of angular momentum which exists in finite small quantities and 
certain  locations.   IMHO space, time and angular momentum are quantized in 5 
dimensions.  (I do not have an opinion about the primary existence of magnetic 
fields.)However I lean toward Planck’s idea that fields may be the only 
real thing in nature.  Magnetic fields may represent a  6th dimension which   
is also quantized.

Entropy IMHO is nothing more than the separation of the 3-D cells of space by 
the time dimension.  This separation is associated with the disorder  of 
dimensional parameters of adjacent 5-D points—including the angular momentum 
dimension.

Bob Cook



From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 9:04:59 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to be the 
precursor to all future devices

Dear Bob,

It is my feeling that when a Bose condensate induced time dilation state is 
encompassing any transmutation activity, that time dilation allows the nuclear 
and particle mechanisms to come to a quiescent and stable  state almost 
instantly in the reference frame outside the zone of transmutation activity.

How the final results that come out of the transmutation process is completely 
stabilized no matter what that transmutation process entails.

Simply put, in all cases, matter that enters the transmutation process whether 
that matter is acted upon by any nuclear or sub nuclear process including  
fusion, fission, alpha, beta, and gamma radiation, a newly reconfigured stable 
resultant elemental product comes out.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 11:41 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Axil---

There are various theory papers in the offing or already on the street that 
indicate that nucleons (protons and neutrons) are made up of 9 muons, which in 
turn are made up of positrons and electrons.

Binding forces for the nucleons involve neutrinos and EM fields generated by 
the electrons and positrons.

These models are validated by energetic electron inelastic scattering 
experiments over the years.  This validation is addressed
by William L  Stubbs in his recent book, Nuclear Alternative: Redesigning Our 
Model of the Structure of Matter.

Additional  physical models for electrons and positrons are still being 
finalized to address mass and energy equivalence, nuclear physical structures, 
binding energies  angular momentum/spin phenomena and it conservation, etc.  
This Modeling has been a collaboration of  interested people that organized 
after the ICCF-21 Conference at Fort Collins in 2018.

Together these models suggest that muons may very well result from nuclear 
transitions associated with LENR events.  They also suggest LENR controls to 
avoid energetic free muon production.

As I have suggest many times in the past on this blog, a key design objective 
for LENR reactors  is to control the process so as to avoid free energetic 
particles and their associated radiation hazard.  This can be achieved by 
inducing coherent systems to give up nuclear spin energy to lattice electron 
spin/thermal energy.   Conservation of angular momentum is conserved, much as 
kinetic energy/linear momentum is conserved in free particle elastic scattering 
interactions.  Resonant EM fields are key to accomplishing desired control, as 
well as, the ambient magnetic fields, including and  local microscopic B fields.

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 5:15 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to be the 
precursor to all future device designs
Furthermore, from studying LENR results over the years, 

Re: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely tobetheprecursor to all future devices

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

For 100kw/h about 1.2mg of deuterium are needed.

If pressure is lower then the relative density of D (D2 gas) increases, 
somewhere between 0.15 & 0.45g/l.The inventory is given by Ni/pd surface 
bound D, the volume (15l) of the reactor and the pressure factor (=0.003 
for 300Pa) .


But Mizuno recommends to always let the bottle attached and of course he 
did feed additional deuterium if needed.


Holmid does not yet produce any energy. First he must avoid to mainly 
produce positive muons...



Jürg



Am 15.07.19 um 15:56 schrieb JonesBeene:

Reality Check. Surprisingly, nuclear fusion of deuterium into helium seems NOT 
sufficiently energetic to account for the Mizuno claim of heating his home.
Mass is apparently being converted into energy, but how? And what are the 
ramifications of such a low reactor inventory of deuterium gas?
The main contenders for excess energy production would be:
1) D+D -> He
2) Deflation of electrons – i.e. the Millsean approach
3) Disintegration of deuterons into muons – Holmlid’s theory - which is far 
more energetic than fusion in terms of entropy per unit of mass
4) Sequential Coulomb explosions from cluster formation –hypothesis from Hora, 
Miley etc.
5) Any combination or permutation of the above
If fusion of D into He is your choice - then one gram of fused deuterium yields 
10^12J (one terajoule)of energy, but when based on the low operating pressure 
of 100-300 Pa (100 Pa = .001 bar) and the need for low metal loading, as stated 
in his paper - that set of factors represents a tiny fuel inventory, such that 
when completely fused into helium would generate about 278 kilowatt hours of 
equivalent heat.
If Mizuno was producing close to 3 kW continuous to heat his house in a Sapporo 
winter, he could run it for only about 100 hours without a refill if the gain 
was from fusion and the inventory was at the low end of his specs. At any rate, 
if the gain was from nuclear fusion only - then almost all of the deuterium 
would be converted, and the helium ash should be easily measurable.
There should be no need for a cold trap to increase the helium ratio – the 
residual gas after less than a week should be almost all helium, no? Even if 
these calculations are off by a large factor, the helium content should be 
obvious.
IOW – in the naïve assessment of the breakthrough claim of Mizuno – 
specifically the heating of his home – after 100 hours or so of operation, 
there should be a whopping milligram of helium and little deuterium in the 
reactor to measure.

In contrast – Holmlid’s theory proposes deuteron disintegration (with 
inadvertent fusion). His theory suggests that about 4 GeV of 
mass-energy per every two atoms of deuterium lost could be converted 
into energy. This is about 150 times MORE potential energy per unit of 
mass (converted into energy) than can be derived from fusion into helium.


On the surface, then – fusion of deuterium into helium appears to be 
too weak a reaction to account for the Mizuno claims of heating his 
home, and only the Holmlid effect would have an adequate output.


Why isn’t the Holmlid effect the favored hypothesis?

Jones



--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr.22
8910 Affoltern a.A.
044 760 14 18
079 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely tobetheprecursor to all future devices

[JonesBeene]

Reality Check. Surprisingly, nuclear fusion of deuterium into helium seems NOT 
sufficiently energetic to account for the Mizuno claim of heating his home.

Mass is apparently being converted into energy, but how? And what are the 
ramifications of such a low reactor inventory of deuterium gas?

The main contenders for excess energy production would be:

1) D+D -> He
2) Deflation of electrons – i.e. the Millsean approach
3) Disintegration of deuterons into muons – Holmlid’s theory - which is far 
more energetic than fusion in terms of entropy per unit of mass 
4) Sequential Coulomb explosions from cluster formation –hypothesis from Hora, 
Miley etc.
5) Any combination or permutation of the above

If fusion of D into He is your choice - then one gram of fused deuterium yields 
10^12J (one terajoule)of energy, but when based on the low operating pressure 
of 100-300 Pa (100 Pa = .001 bar) and the need for low metal loading, as stated 
in his paper - that set of factors represents a tiny fuel inventory, such that 
when completely fused into helium would generate about 278 kilowatt hours of 
equivalent heat. 

If Mizuno was producing close to 3 kW continuous to heat his house in a Sapporo 
winter, he could run it for only about 100 hours without a refill if the gain 
was from fusion and the inventory was at the low end of his specs. At any rate, 
if the gain was from nuclear fusion only - then almost all of the deuterium 
would be converted, and the helium ash should be easily measurable.

There should be no need for a cold trap to increase the helium ratio – the 
residual gas after less than a week should be almost all helium, no? Even if 
these calculations are off by a large factor, the helium content should be 
obvious.

IOW – in the naïve assessment of the breakthrough claim of Mizuno – 
specifically the heating of his home – after 100 hours or so of operation, 
there should be a whopping milligram of helium and little deuterium in the 
reactor to measure.

In contrast – Holmlid’s theory proposes deuteron disintegration (with 
inadvertent fusion). His theory suggests that about 4 GeV of mass-energy per 
every two atoms of deuterium lost could be converted into energy. This is about 
150 times MORE potential energy per unit of mass (converted into energy) than 
can be derived from fusion into helium.

On the surface, then – fusion of deuterium into helium appears to be too weak a 
reaction to account for the Mizuno claims of heating his home, and only the 
Holmlid effect would have an adequate output.

Why isn’t the Holmlid effect the favored hypothesis?

Jones

Re: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to betheprecursor to all future devices

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Axil:

SM people never could measure a strong force ( all forces are EM 
forces..) and a unification with gravity of something inexistent - to 
enable LENR - is nonsense (gravity is a very tiny residual EM force see 
NPP 2.1.7) . Please stop producing childish noise by mixing everything 
you hear/read and claiming it could/would be a solution.


Because loss free atomic=magnetic orbits are involved in LENR this of 
course looks like SC. Also a BEC like situation inside a cavity can 
easily be shown and explained.
On nuclear level there is no continuous space time. In the best case you 
can say that time has a period of 2pi. Further: The relativistic proton 
radius given by the NPP2.0 SO(4) model is the time horizon of dense 
mass. It allows to calculate all forces and their dependencies.


If you once would sit down and do a real study may be you too could be 
able to develop a "real" theory.


Bob:

Building up a nucleus from other particles than n,p,e makes no sense as 
we never see the others upon decay. The so called neutrino given in 
decay formulas simply is an excuse (never measured!!) as nobody 
understands how else the energy can be transported and of course the SM 
fails.


The proton can be modeled by a 3x3 wave structure but this only works 
for the external 3D coupling but not for the internal forces and mass 
build-up. The newest modeling is confirming that the internal charge of 
the proton is doing 5 rotations and the relativistic mass does 4 and the 
perturbative mass 3 on top of the 2x2 core structure.


Thus it is easily to predict that all SM like approaches will fail to 
give an adequate picture of any particle.


But one thing is correct: The muon mass can be given as a resonance of 
the proton.


Jürg

Am 14.07.19 um 23:01 schrieb Axil Axil:


/The unification of the /electromagnetic 
, weak 
, and strong 
 interactions 
 could explain 
where the process of transmutation of elements is coming from in LENR. 
The environment in and around  the EMF singularity could be where the 
strong force unification reverts the evolution of matter formation 
back to the conditions that were prevalent at the earliest epochs in 
the evolution of infant universe. //



On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 4:42 PM Axil Axil > wrote:


It is generally recognized in grand unification theories that the
electroweak force (EMF) and the force of gravity were combined
when the universe was just starting out. This is why science
believes that the unification of gravity and EMF can occur at high
energies.

If there is enough gravity concentrated at one point in
space-time, then an event horizon will form. The same event
horizon formation process must be true for the concentration of
EMF at a point is Space-time since gravity and EMF are basically
the same force.

LENR is a result of the condensation of EMF into a state of
extreme condensation at a singular point in space-time. All the
theory and experimental observations that apply to horizon
formation in gravity also apply to the condensation of EMF at a
singular point in space-time.

Since this EMF concentration is mostly related to the
concentration of light, the resulting EMF horizon also takes on
the complicating quantum mechanical properties of superposition.
This quantum mechanical complicating property is not present for
gravity.

Time dilation is a critical property that makes the LENR virtually
impervious to human understanding. We humans do not experience
time dilation in the world we live in. Adding in superposition
into our everyday world puts the complicated interactions between
time dilation and superposition that occurs in the LENR reaction
outside of the understanding of just about everybody. It is going
to take a lot of time and effort to educate people about what the
LENR reaction is all about.



On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 3:33 PM Axil Axil mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Dewey
July 13, 2019 at 1:13 PM
Dr Rossi,
I return to the comment of Neri Accornero: can you give a
hint, not superficial, but not too difficult, about what can
happen if your effect is not fusion, not fission, not chemical
reaction?

Andrea Rossi
July 13, 2019 at 1:33 PM
Dewey:
Please go to
http://www.researchgate.net...


All the references cited here are the same reported in the
above mentioned paper.
In [13] a fundamental connection between 

RE: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to betheprecursor to all future devices

[russ.george]

Mizuno has what is needed to measure 4He in his cold fusion reactions. He 
merely needs to employ a good carbon cold trap to reduce the level of deuterium 
in the gas aliquot going into his RGA. Without the cold trap the D2 signal will 
swamp the 4He signal and it won’t be observable. With the cold trap the D2 mass 
4 signal will be so dramatically reduced that the 4He shoulder on the D2 mass 4 
peak will become clearly resolvable and quantitatively measurable. I have built 
and tested such cold traps on my own RGA helium instruments and confirmed their 
reliable signal with samples presented to large magnetic sector mass specs 
where the 4He and D2 peaks are well separated on the baseline. I’d be happy to 
build such a cold trap for Mizuno if he simply asks for the favour, or coach 
him on its construction, a few hours work at most.  The measure of 4He in cold 
fusion is ‘childs play’ for any serious researcher. Of course the ‘toys’ needed 
cost a pretty penny and one has to have unchildlike patience. 

 

 

From: Jürg Wyttenbach  
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 9:20 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to betheprecursor 
to all future devices

 

All past experiments doing deuterium LENR I know always directly produced 4-He.

 

If somebody believes that no fusion would happen at all, then he should visit a 
priest.

 

The key feature of LENR is that fusion happens without any hard radiation that 
is significantly above background. We, in our lab, can produce LENR reactions 
with significantly above background gamma radiation. But that is intention to 
study the LENR mechanism.

 

In the H-H case the SO(4) bond structure of dense hydrogen does not allow 
direct fusion. Here we see only 500eV going out what is a kind of no go for H-H 
LENR. H(-H) LENR only works with Lithium  and other elements  that allow the 
add-on of H* that of reacts like a neutron.

 

But there were also experiments like 56Fe + H* --> pseudo 57-Co, that behaves 
halve like 57-Co and finally halve like 57-Fe.

finally a very strange state.. similar to halo nuclei.

 

In the Mizuno case we certainly will see 4-He with a 4-He a part > that 106 of 
the 3-He part.

 

Jürg

 

Am 14.07.19 um 20:45 schrieb JonesBeene:

From: Jed Rothwell  

 

*   I assume there is one fundamental cause of cold fusion in all systems. 
It is the same thing in all cases. This is similar to saying that fission is 
the same in reactors and bombs, although it looks and acts quite different.

 

This “one fundamental cause” could be the problem – you are tied to an 
assumption which is not proved. The fission analogy is not useful.

 

Of course such a basic logical error would hinder anyone’s ability to look 
beyond the limitations of the P effect – aka “cold fusion”. In fact in the 
earlier Mizuno work with nickel at higher pressure - cited in an older thread 
here -  where Mizuno  uses both protium and deuterium in different comparative 
runs at higher pressure  -  he gets actually better results (more excess heat) 
from  protium than with deuterium. You cannot deny this result.

 

To me this is solid evidence direct from Mizuno that there is more than “one 
fundamental cause” to excess heat – one being fusion and the other being very 
different; and thus all future devices must recognize that nuclear fusion is 
not required for excess heat. This is actually highly  desirable as "fusion” 
alone opens the regulatory doors for all kinds of unnecessary government 
intrusion.

 

Bottom line is that at least two fundamental causes of excess heat exist.  
Possibly more. One is nuclear fusion seen in electrolysis where typically 
lithium and high loading play a role.  Another cause is a non-fusion reaction 
with nickel as the reactant, low loading is desirable, and no lithium is needed.

 

A third possible reaction also acknowledged by Mizuno (and by Ed Storms) is 
sequential cluster formation with its signature radiation of 630 eV. That third 
one alone could be used for excess heat without the other two.

 

The nickel reaction works with either hydrogen or deuterium and to confuse 
things it is probably based on a “nuclear coupling” of some kind - (mass 
converted into energy) but it is not “nuclear fusion.”

 

It is pretty clear that both or all three fundamental causes for gain are valid 
over a thirty year history, and very different from each other - and no one 
knows this more clearly than Mizuno as it stands out prominently from his 
earlier papers.

 

Jones

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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