Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...

[Jonathan Berry]

Well 222nm-ish (220nm for sure) LED's are possible as are higher
frequencies also.
But they aren't available commercially as far as I can tell, but they have
been made.

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 at 07:32, Michael Foster  wrote:

> Yes, 254 nm is an excellent virus killer. However, unlike 222 nm, long
> term exposure to 254 nm can cause damage to the eyes and skin. As Jonathan
> Berry points out 222 nm won't even penetrate the water film on your eyes.
>
> I still like my idea of a baseball cap with a small xenon chloride
> excimer  bulb attached to the underside of the bill. Sounds silly, sort of
> "Tom Swift and his Amazing Virus Killing Hat", but it might be more
> effective than masks. As long as the visible wavelengths can be filtered
> out to keep the light from being annoying, it could kill the viruses before
> being inhaled and also from penetrating through the eyes.  I'd much rather
> wear such a contraption than a mask.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 05:40:09 PM UTC, Terry Blanton <
> hohlr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>  UVGI uses 254 nm...readily available.
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4699414/
>
> https://smile.amazon.com/Type-watt-UV-C-Germicidal-Replacement/dp/B007NW9WFW
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:21 PM Jonathan Berry <
> jonathanberry3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The harm from the virus is significant and lasting for many even if it
> does not kill.Also Corona viruses, well there has never been a successful
> vaccine for a corona virus and immunity seems not to be lasting.
> Indeed about a 3rd of those who have had it seem not to have notable
> levels of antibodies.
> So herd immunity is really untenable, it needs to be stopped, not easy,
> but the only way it's not just going to keep on hitting humanity again and
> again with what seem to be at the most optimistic to be a roughly 1%
> fatality rate.
> I have found two US manufacturers of 222nm bulbs, not sure though that
> either have enough output.
> Good to know it's krypton chloride, wasn't aware.
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 04:35, Michael Foster  wrote:
> This is a really good idea. Fortunately, the U.S. can supply its own
> krypton. 222 nm lamps are krypton chloride excimer bulbs. Maybe we can wise
> up and make the lamps in the United States. I doubt that any are made here
> now.  I know this sounds ridiculous at the moment, but what if a baseball
> cap could be made with a small excimer lamp on the under side of the bill.
> This certainly isn't impossible what with all the really compact high
> voltage supplies that are made now. I doubt if making large numbers of
> excimer bulbs would have much of an effect on the price of krypton as
> rather large amounts are used in double pane windows at near atmospheric
> pressure. The krypton chloride bulbs, conversely, use small amounts a low
> pressure.
>
>
>
> OTOH, all of this prevention simply delays people being exposed to the
> virus and thus delaying the herd immunity. The original premise of this
> absurd lock down was to "flatten the curve" and prevent hospitals from
> being overwhelmed. This exercise in totalitarian despotism was based on
> faulty computer models like most of our predictions of doom lately. The
> overall death rate in the U.S. is down somewhat from previous years,
> meaning that the people who supposedly succumbed to the Wuhan virus would
> probably have died of something else in the same time period. Given the
> practice of reporting deaths of the elderly as from covid19 whether or not
> that was the known cause no doubt inflates the numbers substantially.
>
>
>
> Influenza deaths will probably exceed the deaths caused by the corona
> virus this year. This is just a guess on my part, probably more accurate
> that the latest computer models. But we all just love to panic don't we?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 11:10:48 PM UTC, Jonathan Berry <
> jonathanberry3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  You are sort of missing the point though!
>
> The point is that 222nm UVC light kills the virus (however ironic that
> might be with HV corona emitting UV) and this 222nm UV is safe, not harmful!
>
> It doesn't even get through to live skin cells or even through the water
> film on your eye.
>
> But it destroys the virus in the air and on surfaces.
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 08:41, Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Very good new from California.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/17/1000113/up-to-4-of-silicon-valley-already-infected-with-coronavirus/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  only 1 out of 50 infected does get
>
>  symptoms!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Fairly consistent
>
>  research results showing increased rate of leukemias near high
>
>  voltage transmission lines but little evidence low frequency EMR
>
>  can cause it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  You should not live to close to such
>
>  transmission lines due to high magnetic fields.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Leukemia (in
>
>  

Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Michael Foster  wrote:

> Yes, 254 nm is an excellent virus killer. However, unlike 222 nm, long
> term exposure to 254 nm can cause damage to the eyes and skin. As Jonathan
> Berry points out 222 nm won't even penetrate the water film on your eyes.
>

Well, there's only about a million 254 nm UVGI systems out there and they
are quite inexpensive.  But, if you feel compelled to stare at the photon
source, spring for these $10 safety glasses.  They meet CSA Z94.3 standards.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000USRG90/


Virus-free.
www.avast.com

<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [Vo]:A contrarian thought experiment

[Terry Blanton]

Not if you consider that the code name for Windows XP was Cairo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho

"In hoc signo vinces"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_hoc_signo_vinces


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 6:02 AM Jonathan Berry 
wrote:

> Wow, this just showed up in my FB feed...
> Wow, this seems like a bad joke, but Microsoft literally has a "mark of
> the beast" human implanted chip for cryptocurrency which has a world patent
> number of (2020) 060606. This is telling quite clearly that this is an
> satanic system being put in place!
>
>
> https://thewatchtowers.org/microsoft-owns-international-patent-060606-a-cryptocurrency-system-using-humans-who-have-been-chipped-as-the-miners/amp/
>
> That's not a coincidence, that's a disclosure.
>
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 21:36, Jonathan Berry 
> wrote:
>
>> Um, have you seen by any chance the evidence that the Pandemic was
>> planned, orchestrated?
>> From predictive programming at the previous Olympics ceremony (including
>> Boris is a hospital bed), to a ton of weird "coincidences" all over the
>> place, Fauci predicting it, funding a Wuhan lab...
>>
>> There is a LOT of weirdness around this.
>>
>> On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 12:34, Lennart Thornros 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I like it.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 19:40 Jones Beene  wrote:
>>>
 Robin,

 Yes. However if an AI which is accurately modeling outcomes behind the
 scenes was developed, programmed and funded by a secretive group to which
 we can attach that name, then it makes little difference what label gets
 the blame ... why not "satan"?

 One could also label an expected massive kill-off (with an imagined
 purpose) as "the apocalypse" or even as "god's will", no?

 IOW the complexity of the dynamics at play seem to make human
 capabilities (to understand sufficiently or predict outcomes accurately)
 impossible. Thus our rationality wants us to find a "real" causative
 sources, especially elsewhere than our beloved "nature"..

 We hate to confront the fact that evil, randomness and ignorance are
 synonymous...  even natural.


 mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 > I like it.
 >Now imagine all that future you envision having been precision
 orchestrated in the year 2020 by an AI which few humans knew about...


 I don't think it was an AI. More like the Illuminati. ;)

Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...

[Charles]

I had imagined every adult did this, but it turns out to be cultural:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340050986_The_Impact_of_Cross-Cultural_Differences_in_Handwashing_Patterns_on_the_COVID-19_Outbreak_Magnitude

On 21/04/2020 21:50, ChemE Stewart wrote:

How about just wash with soap :)

Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...

[Michael Foster]

Soap stings my eyes and  makes me choke when I inhale it :-)








 On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 07:50:34 PM UTC, ChemE Stewart 
 wrote:





 How about just wash with soap :)
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Michael Foster  wrote:
Yes, 254 nm is an excellent virus killer. However, unlike 222 nm, long term 
exposure to 254 nm can cause damage to the eyes and skin. As Jonathan Berry 
points out 222 nm won't even penetrate the water film on your eyes.



I still like my idea of a baseball cap with a small xenon chloride excimer  
bulb attached to the underside of the bill. Sounds silly, sort of "Tom Swift 
and his Amazing Virus Killing Hat", but it might be more effective than masks. 
As long as the visible wavelengths can be filtered out to keep the light from 
being annoying, it could kill the viruses before being inhaled and also from 
penetrating through the eyes.  I'd much rather wear such a contraption than a 
mask.

















 On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 05:40:09 PM UTC, Terry Blanton 
 wrote:











 UVGI uses 254 nm...readily available.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4699414/

https://smile.amazon.com/Type-watt-UV-C-Germicidal-Replacement/dp/B007NW9WFW



On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:21 PM Jonathan Berry  
wrote:

The harm from the virus is significant and lasting for many even if it does not 
kill.Also Corona viruses, well there has never been a successful vaccine for a 
corona virus and immunity seems not to be lasting.

Indeed about a 3rd of those who have had it seem not to have notable levels of 
antibodies.

So herd immunity is really untenable, it needs to be stopped, not easy, but the 
only way it's not just going to keep on hitting humanity again and again with 
what seem to be at the most optimistic to be a roughly 1% fatality rate.

I have found two US manufacturers of 222nm bulbs, not sure though that either 
have enough output.

Good to know it's krypton chloride, wasn't aware.

On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 04:35, Michael Foster  wrote:

This is a really good idea. Fortunately, the U.S. can supply its own krypton. 
222 nm lamps are krypton chloride excimer bulbs. Maybe we can wise up and make 
the lamps in the United States. I doubt that any are made here now.  I know 
this sounds ridiculous at the moment, but what if a baseball cap could be made 
with a small excimer lamp on the under side of the bill. This certainly isn't 
impossible what with all the really compact high voltage supplies that are made 
now. I doubt if making large numbers of excimer bulbs would have much of an 
effect on the price of krypton as rather large amounts are used in double pane 
windows at near atmospheric pressure. The krypton chloride bulbs, conversely, 
use small amounts a low pressure.







OTOH, all of this prevention simply delays people being exposed to the virus 
and thus delaying the herd immunity. The original premise of this absurd lock 
down was to "flatten the curve" and prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. 
This exercise in totalitarian despotism was based on faulty computer models 
like most of our predictions of doom lately. The overall death rate in the U.S. 
is down somewhat from previous years, meaning that the people who supposedly 
succumbed to the Wuhan virus would probably have died of something else in the 
same time period. Given the practice of reporting deaths of the elderly as from 
covid19 whether or not that was the known cause no doubt inflates the numbers 
substantially.







Influenza deaths will probably exceed the deaths caused by the corona virus 
this year. This is just a guess on my part, probably more accurate that the 
latest computer models. But we all just love to panic don't we?































 On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 11:10:48 PM UTC, Jonathan Berry 
 wrote:























 You are sort of missing the point though!



The point is that 222nm UVC light kills the virus (however ironic that might be 
with HV corona emitting UV) and this 222nm UV is safe, not harmful!



It doesn't even get through to live skin cells or even through the water film 
on your eye.



But it destroys the virus in the air and on surfaces.



On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 08:41, Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:























 Very good new from California.



















 
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/17/1000113/up-to-4-of-silicon-valley-already-infected-with-coronavirus/



























 only 1 out of 50 infected does get



 symptoms!!!























 Fairly consistent



 research results showing increased rate of leukemias near high



 voltage transmission lines but little evidence low frequency EMR



 can cause it.















 You should not live to close to such



 transmission lines due to high magnetic fields.















 Leukemia (in



 children) is also slightly increased in a radius up to 20 miles



 from a nuclear plant.























 J.W.























 Am 

Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...

[ChemE Stewart]

How about just wash with soap :)

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Michael Foster  wrote:

> Yes, 254 nm is an excellent virus killer. However, unlike 222 nm, long
> term exposure to 254 nm can cause damage to the eyes and skin. As Jonathan
> Berry points out 222 nm won't even penetrate the water film on your eyes.
>
> I still like my idea of a baseball cap with a small xenon chloride
> excimer  bulb attached to the underside of the bill. Sounds silly, sort of
> "Tom Swift and his Amazing Virus Killing Hat", but it might be more
> effective than masks. As long as the visible wavelengths can be filtered
> out to keep the light from being annoying, it could kill the viruses before
> being inhaled and also from penetrating through the eyes.  I'd much rather
> wear such a contraption than a mask.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 05:40:09 PM UTC, Terry Blanton <
> hohlr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>  UVGI uses 254 nm...readily available.
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4699414/
>
> https://smile.amazon.com/Type-watt-UV-C-Germicidal-Replacement/dp/B007NW9WFW
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:21 PM Jonathan Berry <
> jonathanberry3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The harm from the virus is significant and lasting for many even if it
> does not kill.Also Corona viruses, well there has never been a successful
> vaccine for a corona virus and immunity seems not to be lasting.
> Indeed about a 3rd of those who have had it seem not to have notable
> levels of antibodies.
> So herd immunity is really untenable, it needs to be stopped, not easy,
> but the only way it's not just going to keep on hitting humanity again and
> again with what seem to be at the most optimistic to be a roughly 1%
> fatality rate.
> I have found two US manufacturers of 222nm bulbs, not sure though that
> either have enough output.
> Good to know it's krypton chloride, wasn't aware.
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 04:35, Michael Foster  wrote:
> This is a really good idea. Fortunately, the U.S. can supply its own
> krypton. 222 nm lamps are krypton chloride excimer bulbs. Maybe we can wise
> up and make the lamps in the United States. I doubt that any are made here
> now.  I know this sounds ridiculous at the moment, but what if a baseball
> cap could be made with a small excimer lamp on the under side of the bill.
> This certainly isn't impossible what with all the really compact high
> voltage supplies that are made now. I doubt if making large numbers of
> excimer bulbs would have much of an effect on the price of krypton as
> rather large amounts are used in double pane windows at near atmospheric
> pressure. The krypton chloride bulbs, conversely, use small amounts a low
> pressure.
>
>
>
> OTOH, all of this prevention simply delays people being exposed to the
> virus and thus delaying the herd immunity. The original premise of this
> absurd lock down was to "flatten the curve" and prevent hospitals from
> being overwhelmed. This exercise in totalitarian despotism was based on
> faulty computer models like most of our predictions of doom lately. The
> overall death rate in the U.S. is down somewhat from previous years,
> meaning that the people who supposedly succumbed to the Wuhan virus would
> probably have died of something else in the same time period. Given the
> practice of reporting deaths of the elderly as from covid19 whether or not
> that was the known cause no doubt inflates the numbers substantially.
>
>
>
> Influenza deaths will probably exceed the deaths caused by the corona
> virus this year. This is just a guess on my part, probably more accurate
> that the latest computer models. But we all just love to panic don't we?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 11:10:48 PM UTC, Jonathan Berry <
> jonathanberry3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  You are sort of missing the point though!
>
> The point is that 222nm UVC light kills the virus (however ironic that
> might be with HV corona emitting UV) and this 222nm UV is safe, not harmful!
>
> It doesn't even get through to live skin cells or even through the water
> film on your eye.
>
> But it destroys the virus in the air and on surfaces.
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 08:41, Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Very good new from California.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/17/1000113/up-to-4-of-silicon-valley-already-infected-with-coronavirus/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  only 1 out of 50 infected does get
>
>  symptoms!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Fairly consistent
>
>  research results showing increased rate of leukemias near high
>
>  voltage transmission lines but little evidence low frequency EMR
>
>  can cause it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  You should not live to close to such
>
>  transmission lines due to high magnetic fields.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Leukemia (in
>
>  children) is also slightly increased in a radius up to 20 miles
>
>  from a nuclear plant.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  J.W.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...

[Michael Foster]

Yes, 254 nm is an excellent virus killer. However, unlike 222 nm, long term 
exposure to 254 nm can cause damage to the eyes and skin. As Jonathan Berry 
points out 222 nm won't even penetrate the water film on your eyes.

I still like my idea of a baseball cap with a small xenon chloride excimer  
bulb attached to the underside of the bill. Sounds silly, sort of "Tom Swift 
and his Amazing Virus Killing Hat", but it might be more effective than masks. 
As long as the visible wavelengths can be filtered out to keep the light from 
being annoying, it could kill the viruses before being inhaled and also from 
penetrating through the eyes.  I'd much rather wear such a contraption than a 
mask. 








 On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 05:40:09 PM UTC, Terry Blanton 
 wrote:





 UVGI uses 254 nm...readily available.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4699414/
https://smile.amazon.com/Type-watt-UV-C-Germicidal-Replacement/dp/B007NW9WFW

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:21 PM Jonathan Berry  
wrote:
The harm from the virus is significant and lasting for many even if it does not 
kill.Also Corona viruses, well there has never been a successful vaccine for a 
corona virus and immunity seems not to be lasting.
Indeed about a 3rd of those who have had it seem not to have notable levels of 
antibodies.
So herd immunity is really untenable, it needs to be stopped, not easy, but the 
only way it's not just going to keep on hitting humanity again and again with 
what seem to be at the most optimistic to be a roughly 1% fatality rate.
I have found two US manufacturers of 222nm bulbs, not sure though that either 
have enough output.
Good to know it's krypton chloride, wasn't aware.
On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 04:35, Michael Foster  wrote:
This is a really good idea. Fortunately, the U.S. can supply its own krypton. 
222 nm lamps are krypton chloride excimer bulbs. Maybe we can wise up and make 
the lamps in the United States. I doubt that any are made here now.  I know 
this sounds ridiculous at the moment, but what if a baseball cap could be made 
with a small excimer lamp on the under side of the bill. This certainly isn't 
impossible what with all the really compact high voltage supplies that are made 
now. I doubt if making large numbers of excimer bulbs would have much of an 
effect on the price of krypton as rather large amounts are used in double pane 
windows at near atmospheric pressure. The krypton chloride bulbs, conversely, 
use small amounts a low pressure.



OTOH, all of this prevention simply delays people being exposed to the virus 
and thus delaying the herd immunity. The original premise of this absurd lock 
down was to "flatten the curve" and prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. 
This exercise in totalitarian despotism was based on faulty computer models 
like most of our predictions of doom lately. The overall death rate in the U.S. 
is down somewhat from previous years, meaning that the people who supposedly 
succumbed to the Wuhan virus would probably have died of something else in the 
same time period. Given the practice of reporting deaths of the elderly as from 
covid19 whether or not that was the known cause no doubt inflates the numbers 
substantially.



Influenza deaths will probably exceed the deaths caused by the corona virus 
this year. This is just a guess on my part, probably more accurate that the 
latest computer models. But we all just love to panic don't we?















 On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 11:10:48 PM UTC, Jonathan Berry 
 wrote:











 You are sort of missing the point though!

The point is that 222nm UVC light kills the virus (however ironic that might be 
with HV corona emitting UV) and this 222nm UV is safe, not harmful!

It doesn't even get through to live skin cells or even through the water film 
on your eye.

But it destroys the virus in the air and on surfaces.

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 08:41, Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:











 Very good new from California.









 
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/17/1000113/up-to-4-of-silicon-valley-already-infected-with-coronavirus/













 only 1 out of 50 infected does get

 symptoms!!!











 Fairly consistent

 research results showing increased rate of leukemias near high

 voltage transmission lines but little evidence low frequency EMR

 can cause it.







 You should not live to close to such

 transmission lines due to high magnetic fields.







 Leukemia (in

 children) is also slightly increased in a radius up to 20 miles

 from a nuclear plant.











 J.W.











 Am 18.04.20 um 21:17 schrieb ChemE

 Stewart:











 Damp conditions, dew buildup, pollution and

 damage to insulators/lines all reduce the local breakdown

 voltage.  The strong electric field is ionizing N2 and O2 in

 the air and producing ozone and NOx which by themselves are

 not healthy long term. The ionization is also releasing broad

 spectrum electromagnetic pollution from high frequency UVc

 

Re: [Vo]:Solution to the Pandemic! And the next one...

[Terry Blanton]

UVGI uses 254 nm...readily available.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4699414/

https://smile.amazon.com/Type-watt-UV-C-Germicidal-Replacement/dp/B007NW9WFW


On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:21 PM Jonathan Berry 
wrote:

> The harm from the virus is significant and lasting for many even if it
> does not kill.
> Also Corona viruses, well there has never been a successful vaccine for a
> corona virus and immunity seems not to be lasting.
>
> Indeed about a 3rd of those who have had it seem not to have notable
> levels of antibodies.
>
> So herd immunity is really untenable, it needs to be stopped, not easy,
> but the only way it's not just going to keep on hitting humanity again and
> again with what seem to be at the most optimistic to be a roughly 1%
> fatality rate.
>
> I have found two US manufacturers of 222nm bulbs, not sure though that
> either have enough output.
>
> Good to know it's krypton chloride, wasn't aware.
>
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 04:35, Michael Foster  wrote:
>
>> This is a really good idea. Fortunately, the U.S. can supply its own
>> krypton. 222 nm lamps are krypton chloride excimer bulbs. Maybe we can wise
>> up and make the lamps in the United States. I doubt that any are made here
>> now.  I know this sounds ridiculous at the moment, but what if a baseball
>> cap could be made with a small excimer lamp on the under side of the bill.
>> This certainly isn't impossible what with all the really compact high
>> voltage supplies that are made now. I doubt if making large numbers of
>> excimer bulbs would have much of an effect on the price of krypton as
>> rather large amounts are used in double pane windows at near atmospheric
>> pressure. The krypton chloride bulbs, conversely, use small amounts a low
>> pressure.
>>
>> OTOH, all of this prevention simply delays people being exposed to the
>> virus and thus delaying the herd immunity. The original premise of this
>> absurd lock down was to "flatten the curve" and prevent hospitals from
>> being overwhelmed. This exercise in totalitarian despotism was based on
>> faulty computer models like most of our predictions of doom lately. The
>> overall death rate in the U.S. is down somewhat from previous years,
>> meaning that the people who supposedly succumbed to the Wuhan virus would
>> probably have died of something else in the same time period. Given the
>> practice of reporting deaths of the elderly as from covid19 whether or not
>> that was the known cause no doubt inflates the numbers substantially.
>>
>> Influenza deaths will probably exceed the deaths caused by the corona
>> virus this year. This is just a guess on my part, probably more accurate
>> that the latest computer models. But we all just love to panic don't we?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Saturday, April 18, 2020, 11:10:48 PM UTC, Jonathan Berry <
>> jonathanberry3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  You are sort of missing the point though!
>> The point is that 222nm UVC light kills the virus (however ironic that
>> might be with HV corona emitting UV) and this 222nm UV is safe, not harmful!
>> It doesn't even get through to live skin cells or even through the water
>> film on your eye.
>> But it destroys the virus in the air and on surfaces.
>> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 08:41, Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Very good new from California.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/17/1000113/up-to-4-of-silicon-valley-already-infected-with-coronavirus/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  only 1 out of 50 infected does get
>>  symptoms!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Fairly consistent
>>  research results showing increased rate of leukemias near high
>>  voltage transmission lines but little evidence low frequency EMR
>>  can cause it.
>>
>>
>>
>>  You should not live to close to such
>>  transmission lines due to high magnetic fields.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Leukemia (in
>>  children) is also slightly increased in a radius up to 20 miles
>>  from a nuclear plant.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  J.W.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Am 18.04.20 um 21:17 schrieb ChemE
>>  Stewart:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Damp conditions, dew buildup, pollution and
>>  damage to insulators/lines all reduce the local breakdown
>>  voltage.  The strong electric field is ionizing N2 and O2 in
>>  the air and producing ozone and NOx which by themselves are
>>  not healthy long term. The ionization is also releasing broad
>>  spectrum electromagnetic pollution from high frequency UVc
>>  down to low frequency radio noise. It is most likely the high
>>  frequency UV range doing the cellular damage over time nearby.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Fairly consistent research results showing
>>  increased rate of leukemias near high voltage transmission lines
>>  but little evidence low frequency EMR can cause it.  I expect it
>>  is the high frequency UV spectrum and it is dependent upon local
>>  weather and line conditions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.webmd.com/cancer/lymphoma/news/20050602/child-leukemia-again-linked-to-power-lines
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:A contrarian thought experiment

[Jonathan Berry]

Wow, this just showed up in my FB feed...
Wow, this seems like a bad joke, but Microsoft literally has a "mark of the
beast" human implanted chip for cryptocurrency which has a world patent
number of (2020) 060606. This is telling quite clearly that this is an
satanic system being put in place!

https://thewatchtowers.org/microsoft-owns-international-patent-060606-a-cryptocurrency-system-using-humans-who-have-been-chipped-as-the-miners/amp/

That's not a coincidence, that's a disclosure.

On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 21:36, Jonathan Berry 
wrote:

> Um, have you seen by any chance the evidence that the Pandemic was
> planned, orchestrated?
> From predictive programming at the previous Olympics ceremony (including
> Boris is a hospital bed), to a ton of weird "coincidences" all over the
> place, Fauci predicting it, funding a Wuhan lab...
>
> There is a LOT of weirdness around this.
>
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 12:34, Lennart Thornros 
> wrote:
>
>> I like it.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 19:40 Jones Beene  wrote:
>>
>>> Robin,
>>>
>>> Yes. However if an AI which is accurately modeling outcomes behind the
>>> scenes was developed, programmed and funded by a secretive group to which
>>> we can attach that name, then it makes little difference what label gets
>>> the blame ... why not "satan"?
>>>
>>> One could also label an expected massive kill-off (with an imagined
>>> purpose) as "the apocalypse" or even as "god's will", no?
>>>
>>> IOW the complexity of the dynamics at play seem to make human
>>> capabilities (to understand sufficiently or predict outcomes accurately)
>>> impossible. Thus our rationality wants us to find a "real" causative
>>> sources, especially elsewhere than our beloved "nature"..
>>>
>>> We hate to confront the fact that evil, randomness and ignorance are
>>> synonymous...  even natural.
>>>
>>>
>>> mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
>>>
>>> > I like it.
>>> >Now imagine all that future you envision having been precision
>>> orchestrated in the year 2020 by an AI which few humans knew about...
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think it was an AI. More like the Illuminati. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [Vo]:A contrarian thought experiment

[Jonathan Berry]

Um, have you seen by any chance the evidence that the Pandemic was planned,
orchestrated?
>From predictive programming at the previous Olympics ceremony (including
Boris is a hospital bed), to a ton of weird "coincidences" all over the
place, Fauci predicting it, funding a Wuhan lab...

There is a LOT of weirdness around this.

On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 12:34, Lennart Thornros  wrote:

> I like it.
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 19:40 Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> Robin,
>>
>> Yes. However if an AI which is accurately modeling outcomes behind the
>> scenes was developed, programmed and funded by a secretive group to which
>> we can attach that name, then it makes little difference what label gets
>> the blame ... why not "satan"?
>>
>> One could also label an expected massive kill-off (with an imagined
>> purpose) as "the apocalypse" or even as "god's will", no?
>>
>> IOW the complexity of the dynamics at play seem to make human
>> capabilities (to understand sufficiently or predict outcomes accurately)
>> impossible. Thus our rationality wants us to find a "real" causative
>> sources, especially elsewhere than our beloved "nature"..
>>
>> We hate to confront the fact that evil, randomness and ignorance are
>> synonymous...  even natural.
>>
>>
>> mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
>>
>> > I like it.
>> >Now imagine all that future you envision having been precision
>> orchestrated in the year 2020 by an AI which few humans knew about...
>>
>>
>> I don't think it was an AI. More like the Illuminati. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>