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I've tossed a few posters into my filter, generally for an excess of unamusing puns, but I never understood the theory of compounding the annoyance with long announcements of same. On Nov 21, 2011, at 0:56, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, Mary is less pathological case than Cude, but problem is that she is a perpetual motion machine that goes endlessly onwards and onwards without need for input energy (food). Like she has moral oblication to protect poor and consideration inable investors from getting cheated. It would be nice if we could introduce her and other hyperactive posters a special rule that there is a two post per day limit for messages that contain quoted material and after the quota is exceeded there should be required 24 hour delay before reply can be sent. This would effectively prevent inboxes to overflow without limiting too much discussion. Actually, it should enhance the quality of discussion, because people would think more carefully what is relavant to say. For filtering people, usually it is plausible to filter not just messages that come from the address jounivalko...@gmail.com, but also messages where the body contain a phrase Jouni Valkonen or email address. This way also replies will get filtered. Also with filtering with Gmail, instead of diverting them into thrash bin, it would be better to mark them as read automatically. This way it is easy to ignore them in threads, but if there are new topics posted they still appear in the inbox and will get noted, although not necessarily read. —Jouni Ps. After Mary came here I have in my inbox more than 70 threads that contain unread messages. I would say that there is definitely a problem with posting frequency. On Nov 21, 2011 1:33 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, that is NOT possible. He would still see people answering the same things over and over again. What makes MY annoying is not the arguments, but the repetition. But the repetition is not only hers, it is also from whoever answer. So, it won't work just blocking. 2011/11/20 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: you guys had a real nice list going. then mary yugo joined. im out of here. Why don't you just block out Mary Yugo's message? Problem solved. I'll do that in a week or so, and stop responding. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Sorry if anyone is upset. I might have been a bit prolific at posting but it was mostly in response to responses. What shall I do? Avoid responding to responses? Anyway, I will post less -- very little happening currently except Rossi is contradicting himself again. This time it's about his backlog. It's not worth discussing.
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Sorry if anyone is upset. I might have been a bit prolific at posting but it was mostly in response to responses. What shall I do? Avoid responding to responses? Keep posting. The hothouse flowers around here who are bruised by what you say can use their killfiles.
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On 11-11-20 04:52 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: From Jed From Esa you guys had a real nice list going. then mary yugo joined. im out of here. Why don't you just block out Mary Yugo's message? Problem solved. I'll do that in a week or so, and stop responding. Esa, you sound petulant. Ms. Yugo has a right to express her opinions on the matter, as does Mr. Cude. However, after listening to the same stalwart opinions being expressed over and over... opinions that long ago stopped revealing anything useful Actually I've found Joshua's comments to be occasionally quite insightful. Furthermore, in his more recent posts he's generally dropped, suppressed, or anyway mostly not mentioned his global anti-LENR stance, and stuck pretty closely to the topic of Rossi, which makes his comments a lot more palatable, IMHO. (Of course, Jed and others will no doubt claim Joshua simply doesn't get the point with regard to the recent tests, but that's something else again...) Mary, OTOH, does the broken-record bit far, far too much of the time, with far, far too many posts, and if she's contributed any actual new insights on the matter I somehow managed to overlook them. (And now I'll go back to doing something useful and get out of here.)
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From Stephen: ... Actually I've found Joshua's comments to be occasionally quite insightful. Furthermore, in his more recent posts he's generally dropped, suppressed, or anyway mostly not mentioned his global anti-LENR stance, and stuck pretty closely to the topic of Rossi, which makes his comments a lot more palatable, IMHO. (Of course, Jed and others will no doubt claim Joshua simply doesn't get the point with regard to the recent tests, but that's something else again...) I agree. I realized right after I sent the message that I should have been more specific. It is obvious that Mr. Cude has a decent educational background on certain matters pertaining to the laws of physics. I think my only major disagreement with Mr. Cude is that he has given me the impression that he believes the entire CF community is either wrong, deluded, or up to something no good. Mr. Cude can certainly correct me if I have misinterpreted him, but the impression he has given me is that all the scientific data pertaining to CF for which he has personally reviewed over the past 20 years is far too inclusive for him to take seriously. To proclaim that the entire CF community has been wrong, over and over, strikes me as a perceptual issue. Life is too short for me to try to figure out why Mr. Cude might think that is so. It ceased to be a point of interest to me. I am far more interested in finding out WHO's in possession of Rossi's eCats, what Defkalion is planning to do next, and what the rest of the major players are planning on doing with Rossi's controversial technology. As blasphemous as this might sound for me to say, right now, all the arguments both pro and con pertaining to Rossi science can go to hell, for all I care. I'm far more interested in FOLLOIWNG THE MONEY Mary, OTOH, does the broken-record bit far, far too much of the time, with far, far too many posts, and if she's contributed any actual new insights on the matter I somehow managed to overlook them. That was what my previous post was actually meant for. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Low energy nuclear reactions cause cognitive dissonance among many skeptics. It is similar to the primal fear of the unknown. T
[Vo]:its been great
you guys had a real nice list going. then mary yugo joined. im out of here.
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Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: you guys had a real nice list going. then mary yugo joined. im out of here. Why don't you just block out Mary Yugo's message? Problem solved. I'll do that in a week or so, and stop responding. - Jed
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How to create a gmail filter: https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6579 T
RE: [Vo]:its been great
From Jed From Esa you guys had a real nice list going. then mary yugo joined. im out of here. Why don't you just block out Mary Yugo's message? Problem solved. I'll do that in a week or so, and stop responding. Esa, you sound petulant. Ms. Yugo has a right to express her opinions on the matter, as does Mr. Cude. However, after listening to the same stalwart opinions being expressed over and over... opinions that long ago stopped revealing anything useful, at least to me pertaining to the mystery of what might be behind Rossi's eCats, I did exactly what Mr. Rothwell suggested. It's possible Ms Yugo and Mr. Cude will shake their heads in my general direction and assume I am sticking my head in the ground as I reveal so clearly to them my desire to remain ignorant of the reality of the situation... All I can say is, I think I'll keep an eye out for better informed skeptics. IOW, not on my dime. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Jed, that is NOT possible. He would still see people answering the same things over and over again. What makes MY annoying is not the arguments, but the repetition. But the repetition is not only hers, it is also from whoever answer. So, it won't work just blocking. 2011/11/20 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: you guys had a real nice list going. then mary yugo joined. im out of here. Why don't you just block out Mary Yugo's message? Problem solved. I'll do that in a week or so, and stop responding. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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On 2011-11-21 00:33, Daniel Rocha wrote: Jed, that is NOT possible. He would still see people answering the same things over and over again. What makes MY annoying is not the arguments, but the repetition. But the repetition is not only hers, it is also from whoever answer. So, it won't work just blocking. With Mozilla Thunderbird (an external email client) it's possible. It can kill completely threads and thread *branches* created by filtered users, if desired. You would however still see messages from the many users on vortex-l who appear to reply in a non-standard manner, splitting threads in multiple pieces. (that's very annoying in my opinion, together with HTML emails. The use of properly configured email clients should be among group rules) Cheers, S.A.
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On Nov 20, 2011, at 18:45, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-11-21 00:33, Daniel Rocha wrote: Jed, that is NOT possible. He would still see people answering the same things over and over again. What makes MY annoying is not the arguments, but the repetition. But the repetition is not only hers, it is also from whoever answer. So, it won't work just blocking. With Mozilla Thunderbird (an external email client) it's possible. It can kill completely threads and thread *branches* created by filtered users, if desired. You would however still see messages from the many users on vortex-l who appear to reply in a non-standard manner, splitting threads in multiple pieces. (that's very annoying in my opinion, together with HTML emails. The use of properly configured email clients should be among group rules) Agreed. Also, new threads should not be renamed replies to other threads, because some smart email clients are not fooled by subject changes, and the new thread is hidden in the original. Incidentally, I find the list much more valuable with the contrasting contributions from Yugo, Cude, and Lomax, than when it becomes an echo chamber of agreement.
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The problem is the same, there is a lot of echo. But, unlike the chamber of agreement, which tends to low the activity, this time it fills the clutters the mail with too much messages. 2011/11/20 Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com On Nov 20, 2011, at 18:45, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Incidentally, I find the list much more valuable with the contrasting contributions from Yugo, Cude, and Lomax, than when it becomes an echo chamber of agreement. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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On 2011-11-21 00:56, Charles Hope wrote: Agreed. Also, new threads should not be renamed replies to other threads, because some smart email clients are not fooled by subject changes, and the new thread is hidden in the original. I often do this when there's a more or less slight change of topic within the same thread. That, of course, doesn't create a new thread (and that isn't even my intention in those cases), but email clients that make it look otherwise are probably too old or not sophisticated enough for use with mailing lists. Incidentally, I find the list much more valuable with the contrasting contributions from Yugo, Cude, and Lomax, than when it becomes an echo chamber of agreement. I'd agree, but the volume of posting especially from Mary Yugo of the same arguments over and over again is unsustainable. It makes the group hard to follow (especially when those long threads get split multiple times by users with faulty email clients). Cheers, S.A.
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If we ALL stop responding to MY, MY will get bored and go away. AG On 11/21/2011 7:29 AM, Esa Ruoho wrote: you guys had a real nice list going. then mary yugo joined. im out of here.
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Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: If we ALL stop responding to MY, MY will get bored and go away. Okay, I'll stop. I've had enough. - Jed
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Apparently, Mary is less pathological case than Cude, but problem is that she is a perpetual motion machine that goes endlessly onwards and onwards without need for input energy (food). Like she has moral oblication to protect poor and consideration inable investors from getting cheated. It would be nice if we could introduce her and other hyperactive posters a special rule that there is a two post per day limit for messages that contain quoted material and after the quota is exceeded there should be required 24 hour delay before reply can be sent. This would effectively prevent inboxes to overflow without limiting too much discussion. Actually, it should enhance the quality of discussion, because people would think more carefully what is relavant to say. For filtering people, usually it is plausible to filter not just messages that come from the address jounivalko...@gmail.com, but also messages where the body contain a phrase Jouni Valkonen or email address. This way also replies will get filtered. Also with filtering with Gmail, instead of diverting them into thrash bin, it would be better to mark them as read automatically. This way it is easy to ignore them in threads, but if there are new topics posted they still appear in the inbox and will get noted, although not necessarily read. —Jouni Ps. After Mary came here I have in my inbox more than 70 threads that contain unread messages. I would say that there is definitely a problem with posting frequency. On Nov 21, 2011 1:33 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, that is NOT possible. He would still see people answering the same things over and over again. What makes MY annoying is not the arguments, but the repetition. But the repetition is not only hers, it is also from whoever answer. So, it won't work just blocking. 2011/11/20 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: you guys had a real nice list going. then mary yugo joined. im out of here. Why don't you just block out Mary Yugo's message? Problem solved. I'll do that in a week or so, and stop responding. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
