Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 8 Feb 2013 10:47:10 -0500: Hi, [snip] Here is a ring island proposal for pumped hydro in the North Sea. This is basically a large hole in the ocean: http://www.hydroworld.com/articles/2013/january/belgium-considers-ring-island-energy-storage-scheme.html

RE: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Jones Beene
Speaking of synergy with hydroelectric (gravity) which can be added to wind/solar farms in close proximity, there is what I think is an even greater potential synergy - since it is not as dependent on proper location. This goes back to Peter Graneau's proposal presented in Infinite Energy a

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a ring island proposal for pumped hydro in the North Sea. This is basically a large hole in the ocean: http://www.hydroworld.com/articles/2013/january/belgium-considers-ring-island-energy-storage-scheme.html - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Speaking of synergy with hydroelectric (gravity) which can be added to wind/solar farms in close proximity . . . In many places. But not, for example, in Texas, where the landscape is flat. Not a lot of uphill to go to. They put some wind farms on

RE: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell In many places. But not, for example, in Texas, where the landscape is flat. Not a lot of uphill to go to. They put some wind farms on gigantic mesas in Texas, which are up in the air but still pretty flat. Not a lot of water out there, either. I expect the

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Alexander Hollins
I take it none of you have played the game Myst? There is a tall water tower that can be connected to a windmill that then pumps water from the ocean into the tower, and the water can then be redirected to machines that run directly off the pressure, air compressor style. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread David Roberson
One big problem with this concept is that there are not many locations available to place new facilities. And the few that remain are not likely to be near the generation equipment. Another major problem is that new dams destroy wild streams that are not too well protected. Dave

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Terry Blanton
Pumped storage destabilized the spin of the earth. As you raise the mass from the surface, the rotation of the planet slows. This could easily cause the moon to be flung from orbit. (T.I.C.)

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: One big problem with this concept is that there are not many locations available to place new facilities. These can be new, man-made facilities, such as a hole in the ocean. They have a lot of them in Switzerland where they make alpine lakes. It is

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Eric Walker
On Feb 8, 2013, at 9:01, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: One big problem with this concept is that there are not many locations available to place new facilities. I think this has been mentioned here before, but what about diverting the unneeded power to drive electrolysis and

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I think this has been mentioned here before, but what about diverting the unneeded power to drive electrolysis and capture the hydrogen for later use in a generator that makes use of an internal combustion engine or is sold on the consumer market? A

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy - electrolysis

2013-02-08 Thread David L Babcock
On 2/8/2013 5:04 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I think this has been mentioned here before, but what about diverting the unneeded power to drive electrolysis and capture the hydrogen for later use in a generator that