RE: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-24 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination Orion, Hopefully my comment is not understood as trolling but as polite criticism. It is nice to have imagination and to think about things that are considered by main stream science as impossible. I

RE: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-24 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
: Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination There is no dark side of the moon, really. Matter of fact it's all dark.

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-24 Thread Rich Murray
Thanks for clarification re Moon -- has a two-week night, while one of its poles is always dark -- so surface temperatures get low anyplace it's dark for over a day -- that's how it can hold plenty of H2O as ice within the highly insulating dusk on the surface. I saw a reference to a paper by an

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-24 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Rick, Thanks for your commentary. BTW, you recently stated: ... I have been repeatedly denigrated as a pathological skeptic -- despite a proven track record of submitting detailed, evidence and reason based, critiques of CF claims since December, 1996, when I evolved from being a naive

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-24 Thread Harry Veeder
Analysis of the design using established physics predicts that it will not exhibit pertual motion when it is built. It also goes without saying that you can't expect to design a perpertuum mobile using established physics. If the built device did exhibit perpertual motion, then it would be by luck

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-24 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Well, sure any celestial body in the solar system has one side that is hit by sun light and the other that is not. But usually people talk about the 'dark side of the moon' as the side that is not visible of the moon and my point was that is a misnomer. But yes there are regions of the moon that

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-24 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Harry, I agree with you. In the end one has to rely on experimentation. If one builds a machine that works at over unity and this is verified all over the world, on a regular basis, by many independent experimenter than no matter what the theory says, this phenomenon should be accepted. What I

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: I bet most scientists would beĀ ecstatic if one day somebody can produce reliable LENR supporting results (or any other anomalous over unity energy experiment). Excluding those whose livelihood depends on fusion

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-24 Thread Alain Sepeda
you are right scientist would love to search on LENR. Some did it officially and got black listed by their administration and the community afraid of the press reactions, thus of politicians and citizen (furious of fund waste) Some did is officiously and keep the results in drawaer Some did it in

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-23 Thread Rich Murray
Hello Steven V. Johnson, Wow ! I ended my post this morning at 10:58 AM with the phrase Woo Woo Big Time, not knowing you would be using the phrase woo woo in your fine effort to tactfully and playfully expand and deepen the range of discourse here, and not knowing that 4 skeptics had been

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-23 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Orion, Hopefully my comment is not understood as trolling but as polite criticism. It is nice to have imagination and to think about things that are considered by main stream science as impossible. I wish more professional scientists could do that (some do and they wait until they come close

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-23 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
I found this on peswiki: By the way, speaking of timing and synchronicity, as I was workinghttp://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Hidro_--_Water_Pressures_Energy_Conversion_(WAPEC)# on this page, about to get on a plane coming back from the Next Gen Expohttp://next-gen-expo.com/ in Florida, Glen

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-23 Thread Peter Gluck
Steven, what's the difference between those 'viruses' and the MEMES postulated by Richard Dawkins- see Memetics? Peter On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.comwrote: Orion, Hopefully my comment is not understood as trolling but as polite criticism. It

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-23 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
The Hydro machine has masses moving in a closed path in a gravitational field so the total energy balance is zero. When you consider the motion of the gas in and out of the chambers, that unavoidably will have some friction and losses, then the system is going to have a negative energy balance.

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-23 Thread Rich Murray
Hi Giovanni Santostasi, buoyant perpetual motion -- the ever effervescing fluctuations of the quantum space-time foam -- our universe bubble as an expanding geometic instability from a minute quantum fluctuation -- floating? in something? so the biggest thing we see is the smallest thing we

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-23 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Rick, There is not a dark side of the moon it is misnomer. It should be called the non visible (from earth) side of the moon. The sun shines on that side as it shines on any other part of the moon. In fact it is the only lighted side when the moon is between the sun and the earth for example.

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-23 Thread Kyle Mcallister
There is no dark side of the moon, really. Matter of fact it's all dark.

Re: [Vo]:The Garbage Collection of a Fool's Imagination

2012-01-23 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Yes, it is a misnomer, it is the side that is away from the earth and it is never seen from the earth, but it receive exactly the same amount of light than the other side does (over a full orbit of the moon around the earth). The moon is locked tidally with the earth in such way that one orbit