Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-17 Thread Harry Veeder
Harry: The raison d'être of GR is to explain gravity. Stephen: That's right. But you don't need it to resolve the twins problem, which takes place in flat space. I am confused. In your first response to me you started off by saying the opposite: Harry: That works in SR, but the

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-17 Thread John Berry
On 2/17/07, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An accelerometer is a purely local instrument (which, of course, can't tell the difference between gravity and acceleration). Actually there is a way, or technically 2 ways at least. (besides the fact that experiments have shown that

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-17 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox ...Talking about centrifugal force, you do know that by running around a bucket of water you incurve the water

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-17 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Harry Veeder wrote: Harry: The raison d'être of GR is to explain gravity. Stephen: That's right. But you don't need it to resolve the twins problem, which takes place in flat space. I am confused. In your first response to me you started off by saying the opposite: Harry: That

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-16 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox ... This is not a paradox, and the paradoxical nature of the problem was in fact resolved something

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-16 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Michel Jullian wrote: - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox ... This is not a paradox, and the paradoxical nature of the problem was in fact

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-16 Thread Michel Jullian
a bucket of water you incurve the water as if it was centrifuged don't you? :) Michel - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox Michel Jullian wrote

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Harry Veeder wrote: Gotta love those probabilities. With them you can save relativity from obscurity. Harry Professor Resolves Einstein's Twin Paradox Science Daily http://www.sciencedaily.com/ — Subhash Kak, Delaune Distinguished Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-15 Thread Harry Veeder
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: This is not a paradox, and the paradoxical nature of the problem was in fact resolved something on the order of a century ago. The traveling twin accelerates; the stay-at-home twin does not; thus, the symmetry is broken. That works in SR, but the solution is

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Harry Veeder wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: This is not a paradox, and the paradoxical nature of the problem was in fact resolved something on the order of a century ago. The traveling twin accelerates; the stay-at-home twin does not; thus, the symmetry is broken. That works in SR, but

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-15 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox ... This is not a paradox, and the paradoxical nature of the problem was in fact resolved something

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-15 Thread Kyle R. Mcallister
- Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:43:03 -0500: Hi, [snip] I solved the paradox

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-15 Thread Michel Jullian
. Mcallister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox - Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: FW

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-15 Thread Kyle R. Mcallister
- Original Message - From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox Distant stars are not out of sight fortunately :) Depends on how close to the rather light pollutive city

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Michel Jullian wrote: - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox ... This is not a paradox, and the paradoxical nature of the problem was in fact

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-15 Thread Harry Veeder
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: This is not a paradox, and the paradoxical nature of the problem was in fact resolved something on the order of a century ago. The traveling twin accelerates; the stay-at-home twin does not; thus, the symmetry

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-15 Thread Harry Veeder
Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: I'm going to go shovel the snow off my ~100 ft long driveway. I wonder if it will have important future implications for quantum computers? --Kyle No way. You need to be shovelling sh*t to have that affect. ;-) Harry

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-15 Thread John Berry
Twin paradox solved by a universal static aether adjustment to SR ;) SR is totally broken. And no inertial acceleration doesn't solve it, the twin at home is undergoing plenty of acceleration around the earth, around the sun, thermal and sound vibrations. Also the acceleration to light speed

Re: [Vo]: FW: Einstein's Twin Paradox

2007-02-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Harry Veeder wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: This is not a paradox, and the paradoxical nature of the problem was in fact resolved something on the order of a century ago. The traveling twin accelerates; the stay-at-home twin does not;