Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-25 Thread Alain Sepeda
Thanks Abd for that clear explanation, As usual you are very strict with the required level of proof. I have gathered some data that I think valid, but please all here correct me if I'm wrong. As far as i know, NiH heat anomaly was known sine 89 with some ignored experience by Piantelli. in 93

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Well, Mr. Gibbs, while I appreciate your reporting on Defkalion, you continue to confuse and conflate two separate issues. 1. The reality of cold fusion as a physical phenomenon. 2. The existence of practical applications. Exactly. Reliably

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: As far as i know, NiH heat anomaly was known sine 89 with some ignored experience by Piantelli. in 93 I have been reading among the thousands of abstracts on CF, few results about NiH , yet like everybody of that time I took them as minors... It

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-25 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-10-25 17:05, Jed Rothwell wrote: 1. It is lot harder to accomplish than it sounds. I can summarize it in a single sentence, apply the Arata technique to nickel but that describes years of effort. This might sound like a naive question, but isn't the Arata technique documented? And if

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: This might sound like a naive question, but isn't the Arata technique documented? And if it isn't, why it isn't? First, Arata's technique is documented, but not well according to some people. He tends to keep secrets. Second, when I said

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-24 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Well, Mr. Gibbs, while I appreciate your reporting on Defkalion, you continue to confuse and conflate two separate issues. 1. The reality of cold fusion as a physical phenomenon. 2. The existence of practical applications. The kind of information you request below is entirely focused, in

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-24 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Abd, Some people are focused on Truth, some on Value. Mark is interested in Value- he wants CF/LENR to be useful, to do something good- give energy to the people. Your premises being different there is difficult to arrive at compatible views. However if CF generates Value, than it is

[Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, After contacting Michael A. Nelson directly and receiving confirmation that he attended as an independent witness to Defkalion GT testings, it looks like Mark Gibbs changed his tune a bit. Full article here:

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread Eric Walker
Le Oct 21, 2012 à 12:44 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com a écrit : After contacting Michael A. Nelson directly and receiving confirmation that he attended as an independent witness to Defkalion GT testings, it looks like Mark Gibbs changed his tune a bit. Full article here:

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: Storms, McKubre and Miles by implying that they are somehow not serious scientists. I have given away my Anglo-American ethnocentrism. I should add that these three are are just several in a long list of capable researchers from all over the world. Eric

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread Terry Blanton
Gibbs: I know that there will be a handful of people (the “believers” I wrote about some time ago) who read that statement and cry “lies” but the fact is that no one has yet demonstrated, definitively, that cold fusion or LENR exists in a form that is actually useful. Now the argument is being

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread David Roberson
of the story. He does not yet realize that there is only one real side to this amazing story! Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Oct 21, 2012 11:21 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread James Bowery
positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs Gibbs: I know that there will be a handful of people (the “believers” I wrote about some time ago) who read that statement and cry “lies” but the fact is that no one has yet demonstrated, definitively, that cold fusion or LENR exists in a form

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Sigh . . . Another ignorant article by Gibbs. Here is what I just wrote in the Forbes article comment section: The author wrote: Even so, the Defkalion tests were, as far as any cold fusion experiment performed to date has gone, the best so far and they were witnessed by someone who is, for

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Good question Peter. I've been wondering something similar, just slightly more specific. Ni-H has gotten a lot of attention lately. But what sequence of Pd-D experiments over the years was most significant to the ...slow erosion of the psuedoskeptic position... that Abd described in email to the

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread Mark Gibbs
If you go back and re-read my previous columns on cold fusion you'll see that my interest has *always* been in useful cold fusion ... The cold fusion phenomena, while scientifically intriguing, amounts to to nothing of practical interest if you can't do something useful with it ... rather like

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread ChemE Stewart
Best we figure out a way to contain the neutrinos, fission and fusion products. I don't believe voids in a lattice is the answer, just creates more fission and fusion products and corresponding low levels of radiation. I still like the Papp idea if it can be contained safetly. Just my take on

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread Mark Gibbs
I don't have the time to review the huge amount of literature you people have already looked at ... if any of you, Rothwell included, would like to help build a list of successful experiments I'd be happy to build it into an article with full attribution to all contributors. I'd like to see a list

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
For the technical reader, this has already been done, here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEstatusofcoa.pdf I would be interested in cooperating to put something aimed at non-technical readers together. Jeff On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: I don't have

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I should add that I don't have the training or experience to take the lead on such an effort. I am just a basically competent writer with an interest in the subject matter. Jeff On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: For the technical reader, this has already

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: The cold fusion phenomena, while scientifically intriguing, amounts to to nothing of practical interest if you can't do something useful with it ... rather like muon catalyzed fusion ... Interesting but not practically useful. Oy veh. Where to begin?!?

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Mark, First- thanks for the article. And may I invite you for a friendly visit to my blog http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com, papers labelled NEW ENERGY? A good candidate for the best Pd-D LENR peak performer is described here:

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: So, there has never been the *slightest doubt* that cold fusion is capable of producing useful levels of energy if it can be controlled. There is not one reason to think that! Per a suggestion by Jeff Berkowitz, I should clarify what I meant by that: It was established that cold

Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs

2012-10-21 Thread hellokevin
...@gibbs.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A little more positive article on Cold Fusion from Gibbs To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, October 21, 2012, 10:37 AM If you go back and re-read my previous columns on cold fusion you'll see that my interest has always been in useful cold fusion