Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov

[mixent]

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:25:43 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>http://newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf
>
>This experiment by Klimov is a wonderful proof that all the LENR theories
>based on hydrogen are invalid. 


Quote:-

"2 - water steam injector"

Water = H2O.


>In this experiment, the LENR reaction
>involves only argon and aluminum. The high voltage Tesla electric arc
>produces a temperature of 7000K that vaporizes a minute fraction of the
>aluminum electrode. These aluminum ions rapidly condense into nanoparticles
>immediately after they leave the high temperature of the arc, whereupon
>Surface Plasmon Polaritons(SPP) form on the surfaces of these nano and
>micro aluminum particles. The light from the arc driven argon gas produces
>XUV light. These photons of light entangles with electrons in the plasma to
>form SPPs on the aluminum dust in a vortex based soliton.
>
>The transmutation of heavy elements such as nickel shows that multiple
>atoms of aluminum and/or argon come together in a multi-atom cluster fusion
>reaction.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov

[Lennart Thornros]

I understood this video much better than your other explanation:
"velocity derived Lorentzian properties of dilation and contraction that
accumulate so slowly at our near stationary end of the spectrum wrt C while
a Lorentzian effect produced by suppression might side step this
inefficient Pythagorean relationship entirely – It still has to subtract
from the square law/isotropy that dominates gravity in the surrounding
macro world but as the geometry gets more and more radical it may trump the
isotropy to the point where it becomes negligible and positive/negative
vacuum energy segregation varies the relativistic factor":)

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)


On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 3:51 AM, ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com> wrote:

> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tkplPbd2f60
>
>
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015, Roarty, Francis X <
> francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote:
>
>> Axil, welcome to my limb, great company but hope we don’t fall :_) When
>> you said [snip] This experiment can provide a time comparison profile of
>> how the flow of time is increased by positive vacuum energy as a function
>> of distance traveled by the LENR reaction products from the zero point of
>> the reaction.[/snip] IMHO your “function” is of Lorentzian type and the
>> fabric of space itself becomes transforming medium that changes the
>> radiations into a safe thermal energy source [traveling distance we can’t
>> see from our perspective and encountering time dilation along the way
>> “back” to our inertial frame in the “unsuppressed” macro world. In replying
>> to your email I start to wonder if I too am attributing too much to the
>> standard velocity derived Lorentzian properties of dilation and contraction
>> that accumulate so slowly at our near stationary end of the spectrum wrt C
>> while a Lorentzian effect produced by suppression might side step this
>> inefficient Pythagorean relationship entirely – It still has to subtract
>> from the square law/isotropy that dominates gravity in the surrounding
>> macro world but as the geometry gets more and more radical it may trump the
>> isotropy to the point where it becomes negligible and positive/negative
>> vacuum energy segregation varies the relativistic factor within these
>> regions wildly with even the slightest motion of gas atoms in any direction
>> wrt surrounding geometry – I have said this before but if these regions are
>> really relativistic then the possibility of nested regions becomes possible
>> and recent threads on single ions being catalysts could be the things Mills
>> spoke of WRT self catalyzing hydrinos. All the pcs fit if Casimir effect
>> and catalytic action are interpreted as relativistic artifacts due to
>> suppression including patents / claims of anomalous decay rates.
>>
>> Fran
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 2:56 PM
>> *To:* vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
>> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov
>>
>>
>>
>> newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf
>>
>> Regarding:
>>
>>
>> Heterogeneous plasmoid behind PVR nozzle is γ-radioactive. Soft
>> X-radiation 100 ÷ 1 eV from this plasmoid. X-radiation decrement is
>> very small (radiation intensity decrease is about 20% at L = 100 cm).
>>
>>
>>
>> This experiment shows that the thermalization of gamma radiation from
>> nuclear activity from this LENR system is not instantaneous but still very
>> fact.
>>
>> This experiment can provide a time comparison profile of how the flow of
>> time is increased by positive vacuum energy as a function of distance
>> traveled by the LENR reaction products from the zero point of the reaction.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:16 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> You mention that gamma radiation is thermalized in some common manner.  I
>> still find it difficult to believe that any high energy gammas are
>> generated during these reactions.   How would all of these be captured?
>>
>>
>>
>> For this reason it seems unlikely that gammas ever form in the first
>> place.  Instead one might suspect their formation is efficiently
>> short-circuited by another, faster channel, that is available only in a
>> closed-in environment, in contrast to the open environment of a plasma.  My
>> own favorite possibility: the energy that would normally be emitted as a
>> gamma photon is instead dumped into one or more nearby electrons, which are
>> stopped in the material or gas, causing low-energy atomic transitions which
>> gradually radiate away the energy imparted by the electrons as they come to
>> a stop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov

[Axil Axil]

I was mistaken here. This experiment does use water. An injector pushes
water into the arc along with the argon gas. Therefore, the theories that
depend on hydrogen are all still in play as far as this experiment is
concerned.

On another note, I doubt that a plasmoid can be setup just by using a
simple rotational motion of gas. The Focus Fusion project sets up a
plasmoid by using a special type of electrode.

[image: Thumbnail]


I doubt that any plasmoid based effect is happening in this experiment. I
want to see evidence that a plasmoid has formed in this experiment.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 4:38 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:25:43 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >http://newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf
> >
> >This experiment by Klimov is a wonderful proof that all the LENR theories
> >based on hydrogen are invalid.
>
>
> Quote:-
>
> "2 - water steam injector"
>
> Water = H2O.
>
>
> >In this experiment, the LENR reaction
> >involves only argon and aluminum. The high voltage Tesla electric arc
> >produces a temperature of 7000K that vaporizes a minute fraction of the
> >aluminum electrode. These aluminum ions rapidly condense into
> nanoparticles
> >immediately after they leave the high temperature of the arc, whereupon
> >Surface Plasmon Polaritons(SPP) form on the surfaces of these nano and
> >micro aluminum particles. The light from the arc driven argon gas produces
> >XUV light. These photons of light entangles with electrons in the plasma
> to
> >form SPPs on the aluminum dust in a vortex based soliton.
> >
> >The transmutation of heavy elements such as nickel shows that multiple
> >atoms of aluminum and/or argon come together in a multi-atom cluster
> fusion
> >reaction.
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil, welcome to my limb, great company but hope we don’t fall :_) When you 
said [snip] This experiment can provide a time comparison profile of how the 
flow of time is increased by positive vacuum energy as a function of distance 
traveled by the LENR reaction products from the zero point of the 
reaction.[/snip] IMHO your “function” is of Lorentzian type and the fabric of 
space itself becomes transforming medium that changes the radiations into a 
safe thermal energy source [traveling distance we can’t see from our 
perspective and encountering time dilation along the way “back” to our inertial 
frame in the “unsuppressed” macro world. In replying to your email I start to 
wonder if I too am attributing too much to the standard velocity derived 
Lorentzian properties of dilation and contraction that accumulate so slowly at 
our near stationary end of the spectrum wrt C while a Lorentzian effect 
produced by suppression might side step this inefficient Pythagorean 
relationship entirely – It still has to subtract from the square law/isotropy 
that dominates gravity in the surrounding macro world but as the geometry gets 
more and more radical it may trump the isotropy to the point where it becomes 
negligible and positive/negative vacuum energy segregation varies the 
relativistic factor within these regions wildly with even the slightest motion 
of gas atoms in any direction wrt surrounding geometry – I have said this 
before but if these regions are really relativistic then the possibility of 
nested regions becomes possible and recent threads on single ions being 
catalysts could be the things Mills spoke of WRT self catalyzing hydrinos. All 
the pcs fit if Casimir effect and catalytic action are interpreted as 
relativistic artifacts due to suppression including patents / claims of 
anomalous decay rates.
Fran


From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:56 PM
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov

newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf<http://newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf>

Regarding:


Heterogeneous plasmoid behind PVR nozzle is γ-radioactive. Soft X-radiation 100 
÷ 1 eV from this plasmoid. X-radiation decrement is very small (radiation 
intensity decrease is about 20% at L = 100 cm).


This experiment shows that the thermalization of gamma radiation from nuclear 
activity from this LENR system is not instantaneous but still very fact.

This experiment can provide a time comparison profile of how the flow of time 
is increased by positive vacuum energy as a function of distance traveled by 
the LENR reaction products from the zero point of the reaction.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Eric Walker 
<eric.wal...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:16 PM, David Roberson 
<dlrober...@aol.com<mailto:dlrober...@aol.com>> wrote:

You mention that gamma radiation is thermalized in some common manner.  I still 
find it difficult to believe that any high energy gammas are generated during 
these reactions.   How would all of these be captured?

For this reason it seems unlikely that gammas ever form in the first place.  
Instead one might suspect their formation is efficiently short-circuited by 
another, faster channel, that is available only in a closed-in environment, in 
contrast to the open environment of a plasma.  My own favorite possibility: the 
energy that would normally be emitted as a gamma photon is instead dumped into 
one or more nearby electrons, which are stopped in the material or gas, causing 
low-energy atomic transitions which gradually radiate away the energy imparted 
by the electrons as they come to a stop.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov

[ChemE Stewart]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tkplPbd2f60

On Saturday, November 21, 2015, Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>
wrote:

> Axil, welcome to my limb, great company but hope we don’t fall :_) When
> you said [snip] This experiment can provide a time comparison profile of
> how the flow of time is increased by positive vacuum energy as a function
> of distance traveled by the LENR reaction products from the zero point of
> the reaction.[/snip] IMHO your “function” is of Lorentzian type and the
> fabric of space itself becomes transforming medium that changes the
> radiations into a safe thermal energy source [traveling distance we can’t
> see from our perspective and encountering time dilation along the way
> “back” to our inertial frame in the “unsuppressed” macro world. In replying
> to your email I start to wonder if I too am attributing too much to the
> standard velocity derived Lorentzian properties of dilation and contraction
> that accumulate so slowly at our near stationary end of the spectrum wrt C
> while a Lorentzian effect produced by suppression might side step this
> inefficient Pythagorean relationship entirely – It still has to subtract
> from the square law/isotropy that dominates gravity in the surrounding
> macro world but as the geometry gets more and more radical it may trump the
> isotropy to the point where it becomes negligible and positive/negative
> vacuum energy segregation varies the relativistic factor within these
> regions wildly with even the slightest motion of gas atoms in any direction
> wrt surrounding geometry – I have said this before but if these regions are
> really relativistic then the possibility of nested regions becomes possible
> and recent threads on single ions being catalysts could be the things Mills
> spoke of WRT self catalyzing hydrinos. All the pcs fit if Casimir effect
> and catalytic action are interpreted as relativistic artifacts due to
> suppression including patents / claims of anomalous decay rates.
>
> Fran
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','janap...@gmail.com');>]
> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 2:56 PM
> *To:* vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com');>>
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov
>
>
>
> newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf
>
> Regarding:
>
>
> Heterogeneous plasmoid behind PVR nozzle is γ-radioactive. Soft
> X-radiation 100 ÷ 1 eV from this plasmoid. X-radiation decrement is
> very small (radiation intensity decrease is about 20% at L = 100 cm).
>
>
>
> This experiment shows that the thermalization of gamma radiation from
> nuclear activity from this LENR system is not instantaneous but still very
> fact.
>
> This experiment can provide a time comparison profile of how the flow of
> time is increased by positive vacuum energy as a function of distance
> traveled by the LENR reaction products from the zero point of the reaction.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','eric.wal...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:16 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dlrober...@aol.com');>> wrote:
>
>
>
> You mention that gamma radiation is thermalized in some common manner.  I
> still find it difficult to believe that any high energy gammas are
> generated during these reactions.   How would all of these be captured?
>
>
>
> For this reason it seems unlikely that gammas ever form in the first
> place.  Instead one might suspect their formation is efficiently
> short-circuited by another, faster channel, that is available only in a
> closed-in environment, in contrast to the open environment of a plasma.  My
> own favorite possibility: the energy that would normally be emitted as a
> gamma photon is instead dumped into one or more nearby electrons, which are
> stopped in the material or gas, causing low-energy atomic transitions which
> gradually radiate away the energy imparted by the electrons as they come to
> a stop.
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov

[Axil Axil]

The assumption that underpins this claim is that there is only one
fundamental cause that produces the LENR reaction. This assumption is based
upon the existence of a set of globe properties that accompany any and all
LENR reactions. For example, the thermalization of gamma radiation is one
such global characteristic of all LENR reactions no matter what the LENR
system may be. There are a few other global characteristics including the
stabilization of all nuclear byproducts that come out of a LENR reaction.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:17 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote:

> It is a bit premature to assume that all the LENR theories based upon
> hydrogen are invalid!  Until someone actually proves how every system
> operates this is an open ended claim with very little supporting evidence.
> Perhaps you are joking and I am taking you seriously Axil? :-) Or, could it
> be speculation which we are all guilty of engaging in?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 12:26 pm
> Subject: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov
>
> http://newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf
>
> This experiment by Klimov is a wonderful proof that all the LENR theories
> based on hydrogen are invalid. In this experiment, the LENR reaction
> involves only argon and aluminum. The high voltage Tesla electric arc
> produces a temperature of 7000K that vaporizes a minute fraction of the
> aluminum electrode. These aluminum ions rapidly condense into nanoparticles
> immediately after they leave the high temperature of the arc, whereupon
> Surface Plasmon Polaritons(SPP) form on the surfaces of these nano and
> micro aluminum particles. The light from the arc driven argon gas produces
> XUV light. These photons of light entangles with electrons in the plasma to
> form SPPs on the aluminum dust in a vortex based soliton.
>
> The transmutation of heavy elements such as nickel shows that multiple
> atoms of aluminum and/or argon come together in a multi-atom cluster fusion
> reaction.
>

Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov

[David Roberson]

It is a bit premature to assume that all the LENR theories based upon hydrogen 
are invalid!  Until someone actually proves how every system operates this is 
an open ended claim with very little supporting evidence.  Perhaps you are 
joking and I am taking you seriously Axil? :-) Or, could it be speculation 
which we are all guilty of engaging in?

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 12:26 pm
Subject: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov



http://newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf


This experiment by Klimov is a wonderful proof that all the LENR theories based 
on hydrogen are invalid. In this experiment, the LENR reaction involves only 
argon and aluminum. The high voltage Tesla electric arc produces a temperature 
of 7000K that vaporizes a minute fraction of the aluminum electrode. These 
aluminum ions rapidly condense into nanoparticles immediately after they leave 
the high temperature of the arc, whereupon Surface Plasmon Polaritons(SPP) form 
on the surfaces of these nano and micro aluminum particles. The light from the 
arc driven argon gas produces XUV light. These photons of light entangles with 
electrons in the plasma to form SPPs on the aluminum dust in a vortex based 
soliton.


The transmutation of heavy elements such as nickel shows that multiple atoms of 
aluminum and/or argon come together in a multi-atom cluster fusion reaction.
  

[Vo]:An experiment by Klimov

[Axil Axil]

http://newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf

This experiment by Klimov is a wonderful proof that all the LENR theories
based on hydrogen are invalid. In this experiment, the LENR reaction
involves only argon and aluminum. The high voltage Tesla electric arc
produces a temperature of 7000K that vaporizes a minute fraction of the
aluminum electrode. These aluminum ions rapidly condense into nanoparticles
immediately after they leave the high temperature of the arc, whereupon
Surface Plasmon Polaritons(SPP) form on the surfaces of these nano and
micro aluminum particles. The light from the arc driven argon gas produces
XUV light. These photons of light entangles with electrons in the plasma to
form SPPs on the aluminum dust in a vortex based soliton.

The transmutation of heavy elements such as nickel shows that multiple
atoms of aluminum and/or argon come together in a multi-atom cluster fusion
reaction.

Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov

[Eric Walker]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:16 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

You mention that gamma radiation is thermalized in some common manner.  I
> still find it difficult to believe that any high energy gammas are
> generated during these reactions.   How would all of these be captured?


For this reason it seems unlikely that gammas ever form in the first
place.  Instead one might suspect their formation is efficiently
short-circuited by another, faster channel, that is available only in a
closed-in environment, in contrast to the open environment of a plasma.  My
own favorite possibility: the energy that would normally be emitted as a
gamma photon is instead dumped into one or more nearby electrons, which are
stopped in the material or gas, causing low-energy atomic transitions which
gradually radiate away the energy imparted by the electrons as they come to
a stop.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov

[Axil Axil]

newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf

Regarding:

Heterogeneous plasmoid behind PVR nozzle is γ-radioactive. Soft X-radiation
100 ÷ 1 eV from this plasmoid. X-radiation decrement is very small
(radiation intensity decrease is about 20% at L = 100 cm).



This experiment shows that the thermalization of gamma radiation from
nuclear activity from this LENR system is not instantaneous but still very
fact.

This experiment can provide a time comparison profile of how the flow of
time is increased by positive vacuum energy as a function of distance
traveled by the LENR reaction products from the zero point of the reaction.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:16 PM, David Roberson 
> wrote:
>
> You mention that gamma radiation is thermalized in some common manner.  I
>> still find it difficult to believe that any high energy gammas are
>> generated during these reactions.   How would all of these be captured?
>
>
> For this reason it seems unlikely that gammas ever form in the first
> place.  Instead one might suspect their formation is efficiently
> short-circuited by another, faster channel, that is available only in a
> closed-in environment, in contrast to the open environment of a plasma.  My
> own favorite possibility: the energy that would normally be emitted as a
> gamma photon is instead dumped into one or more nearby electrons, which are
> stopped in the material or gas, causing low-energy atomic transitions which
> gradually radiate away the energy imparted by the electrons as they come to
> a stop.
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov

[Axil Axil]

A valuable line of experimentation that Klimov can do is to go through the
list of metals the Piantelli gave us in his now revoked EuroPatent as
follows:

"The transition metal can be selected from the group comprised of: Sc, Ti,
V, Cr, Mn, Fe, Co, Ni, Zn, Y, Zr, Nb, Pd, Mo, Tc, Ru, Rh, Ag, Cd, Lu, Hf,
Ta, W, Re, Os, Ir, Pt, Au, lanthanoids, actinoids. Such metals belong to
one of the four transition groups”


He then can try the set of all gases including oxygen, nitrogen, helium...
and so on to see how LENR reacts with each metal/gas combination.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:16 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote:

> Now I understand.  Of course Dr. Storms and others would argue that
> hydrogen is a key component of the reaction.  On the other hand he also
> supports your assertion that only one process is likely to be occurring.
>
> I see conflicting evidence with respect to what underlies the reactions at
> this point.  Both of you may be correct about only one LENR process, but it
> is going to take a great deal of research to prove that assertion.  I hold
> out hope that Rossi is going to have success and publish data that proves
> his reaction works as well as he appears to claim (F9).  If this happens in
> the next few months we might finally have adequate proof of the reaction
> taking place.
>
> You mention that gamma radiation is thermalized in some common manner.  I
> still find it difficult to believe that any high energy gammas are
> generated during these reactions.   How would all of these be captured?
> If, instead you refer to low energy gammas then perhaps so.  My current
> belief is that some form of magnetic interaction is taking place which
> captures and distributes the energy that would have normally escaped in the
> form of a gamma.  In this case no gammas would be generated to penetrate
> the system.
>
> Dave
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 1:34 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov
>
> The assumption that underpins this claim is that there is only one
> fundamental cause that produces the LENR reaction. This assumption is based
> upon the existence of a set of globe properties that accompany any and all
> LENR reactions. For example, the thermalization of gamma radiation is one
> such global characteristic of all LENR reactions no matter what the LENR
> system may be. There are a few other global characteristics including the
> stabilization of all nuclear byproducts that come out of a LENR reaction.
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:17 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It is a bit premature to assume that all the LENR theories based upon
>> hydrogen are invalid!  Until someone actually proves how every system
>> operates this is an open ended claim with very little supporting evidence.
>> Perhaps you are joking and I am taking you seriously Axil? :-) Or, could it
>> be speculation which we are all guilty of engaging in?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
>> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 12:26 pm
>> Subject: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov
>>
>> http://newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf
>>
>> This experiment by Klimov is a wonderful proof that all the LENR theories
>> based on hydrogen are invalid. In this experiment, the LENR reaction
>> involves only argon and aluminum. The high voltage Tesla electric arc
>> produces a temperature of 7000K that vaporizes a minute fraction of the
>> aluminum electrode. These aluminum ions rapidly condense into nanoparticles
>> immediately after they leave the high temperature of the arc, whereupon
>> Surface Plasmon Polaritons(SPP) form on the surfaces of these nano and
>> micro aluminum particles. The light from the arc driven argon gas produces
>> XUV light. These photons of light entangles with electrons in the plasma to
>> form SPPs on the aluminum dust in a vortex based soliton.
>>
>> The transmutation of heavy elements such as nickel shows that multiple
>> atoms of aluminum and/or argon come together in a multi-atom cluster fusion
>> reaction.
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov

[Eric Walker]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

http://newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf
>
> This experiment by Klimov is a wonderful proof that all the LENR theories
> based on hydrogen are invalid.
>

In order for this to be true, we must assume that Klimov et al. are not
reporting something that goes back to error and that what he is seeing is
LENR (both assumptions seem reasonable to me).  I wonder if there are heavy
elements that they are not disclosing.

Hydrogen may not be required for LENR, but it (or, better, deuterium) might
catalyze it or even serve as a necessary prerequisite in some (but not all)
systems.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov

[David Roberson]

Now I understand.  Of course Dr. Storms and others would argue that hydrogen is 
a key component of the reaction.  On the other hand he also supports your 
assertion that only one process is likely to be occurring.

I see conflicting evidence with respect to what underlies the reactions at this 
point.  Both of you may be correct about only one LENR process, but it is going 
to take a great deal of research to prove that assertion.  I hold out hope that 
Rossi is going to have success and publish data that proves his reaction works 
as well as he appears to claim (F9).  If this happens in the next few months we 
might finally have adequate proof of the reaction taking place.

You mention that gamma radiation is thermalized in some common manner.  I still 
find it difficult to believe that any high energy gammas are generated during 
these reactions.   How would all of these be captured?   If, instead you refer 
to low energy gammas then perhaps so.  My current belief is that some form of 
magnetic interaction is taking place which captures and distributes the energy 
that would have normally escaped in the form of a gamma.  In this case no 
gammas would be generated to penetrate the system.

Dave

 

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 1:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov



The assumption that underpins this claim is that there is only one fundamental 
cause that produces the LENR reaction. This assumption is based upon the 
existence of a set of globe properties that accompany any and all LENR 
reactions. For example, the thermalization of gamma radiation is one such 
global characteristic of all LENR reactions no matter what the LENR system may 
be. There are a few other global characteristics including the stabilization of 
all nuclear byproducts that come out of a LENR reaction. 


On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:17 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote:

It is a bit premature to assume that all the LENR theories based upon hydrogen 
are invalid!  Until someone actually proves how every system operates this is 
an open ended claim with very little supporting evidence.  Perhaps you are 
joking and I am taking you seriously Axil? :-) Or, could it be speculation 
which we are all guilty of engaging in?

Dave


 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 12:26 pm
Subject: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov



http://newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf


This experiment by Klimov is a wonderful proof that all the LENR theories based 
on hydrogen are invalid. In this experiment, the LENR reaction involves only 
argon and aluminum. The high voltage Tesla electric arc produces a temperature 
of 7000K that vaporizes a minute fraction of the aluminum electrode. These 
aluminum ions rapidly condense into nanoparticles immediately after they leave 
the high temperature of the arc, whereupon Surface Plasmon Polaritons(SPP) form 
on the surfaces of these nano and micro aluminum particles. The light from the 
arc driven argon gas produces XUV light. These photons of light entangles with 
electrons in the plasma to form SPPs on the aluminum dust in a vortex based 
soliton.


The transmutation of heavy elements such as nickel shows that multiple atoms of 
aluminum and/or argon come together in a multi-atom cluster fusion reaction.