Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-23 Thread Lennart Thornros
Hello Vincent, Good we agree that it is not a zero sum game. I am sure we agree tat because of all the inventions and better understanding of things and how the planet has shrunken, we can feed everybody, we have resources to handle a lot of illnesses and we realize that there is not possible to

RE: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-23 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Hi Lennart, I don't think I meant to imply that it's a zero sum game either. It is, however, a highly complex game that takes advantage of the fact that it has become so damned complicated, and deliberately so. Today few have the capacity to follow the money to its logical conclusion. IMHO,

RE: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-22 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
I find it interesting to view this entire process as an interesting game in how humans go about redistributing units of wealth across the planet. The entire process, the mechanisms currently installed to initiate “wealth distribution” has become so incredibly convoluted and obfuscated

Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-22 Thread James Bowery
The original libertarians in the US -- the 1800s frontier libertarians like Lysander Spooner, understood legitimate government as a mutual insurance company. An insurance company operating as government would charge an insurance premium for the protection of property rights. This is essentially

RE: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-22 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
...and as Robert A. Heinlein said: an insurance company is just a bookie-- let's call it what it is -- you make bets that something will go wrong. From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:19 AM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry

Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-22 Thread Lennart Thornros
A. Heinlein said: an insurance company is just a bookie-- let's call it what it is -- you make bets that something will go wrong. *From:* James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:19 AM *To:* vortex-l *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-22 Thread Ruby
We march backwards into the future. --Marshall McLuhan Ruby On 7/21/15 2:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: If we watch ourselves honestly we shall often find that we have begun to argue against a new idea even before it has been completely stated. - Wilfred Trotter

RE: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-22 Thread Chris Zell
The sheer zeal and thoroughness of GM’s effort to remove all traces of the EV1 from human consciousness tells us all we need to know about their feelings concerning profits and parts sales. They were forced – kicking and screaming – into improving car reliability by Japanese manufacturers –

Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-21 Thread Craig Haynie
Electric cars in the 90s were only built as a result of the California mandate. There was no demand for them back then. Now, with improved technology, and much higher gas prices, a lot of people are starting to like the idea and the market is becoming viable. Craig

Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I do not see Toyota in crisis because Prius spark plugs, brakes and mufflers last far longer than the ones in older cars did. (The brakes last for a long time because much of the stopping power is from regeneration.) I

Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: Electric cars will be a disaster for sales of parts: spark plugs, mufflers, and much more. We have already had that disaster. Modern automobiles and parts last longer than they did in the past. This is not put automobile companies out of business. Cars

RE: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-21 Thread Chris Zell
Electric cars will be a disaster for sales of parts: spark plugs, mufflers, and much more. The EV1 debacle was instructive in how far suppression can go as with people trying to fight GM and keep their cars, Jay Leno trying to get an EV1 for his collection and the eventual crushing of the cars

Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-20 Thread Terry Blanton
Things have changed: http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankbi/2015/05/22/watch-drone-flyover-gives-first-look-at-teslas-gigafactory/

Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-20 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, there does not seem to be any resistance to electric cars today. If it was real, when and why did it vanish? There were many billion more gallons of oil in the ground then compared to now. Indeed, we passed

Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, there does not seem to be any resistance to electric cars today. If it was real, when and why did it vanish? There were many billion more gallons of oil in the ground then compared to now. Indeed, we passed peak oil a few years ago. Yes,

Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-20 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but why would an automobile executive care about that? Unless he happened to be on board of an oil company as well as an auto company, why would he care whether his product enriched an oil company rather than an

RE: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-19 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Perhaps much of the opposition evaporated because many of those prior enemies may have figured out how to make a profit on the transition to electrics. Always try to land on your feet. Can't stay in business if ya can't. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com

RE: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-19 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed, Concerning documentaries, were you directly or indirectly referring to Who Killed the Electric Car? http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/ The film got a lot of press when it came out. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a sad, naive quote from the article: There is widespread bitterness about the country taking our coal for all these years when it needed us,” said Don Perdue, executive director of the Wayne County Economic Development Authority, “and then simply saying goodbye.” What did they expect

Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Concerning documentaries, were you directly or indirectly referring to Who Killed the Electric Car? http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/ Yup. I confess I did not see it, so I cannot judge it. I read articles making the

[Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline

2015-07-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/18/business/energy-environment/coal-miners-struggle-to-survive-in-an-industry-battered-by-layoffs-and-bankruptcy.html This is in response to cheap natural gas and the increase in wind and solar power. This will happen to all conventional and alternative energy