I should have zoomed in on voltage, current and R/R0 by turning off the
temperature traces in the graph, but the comment below is pretty close.
Between 4PM and (almost) midnight PST,
Hot wire current varied by less than 10 milliamps (1.712 - 1.722 amps)
Hot wire voltage varied by less than 20
Note thate ENEA with PdD proved the strong importance of crystalographic
structure.
One kind cause no heat, the other succed at 60%, and mix of two give mixed
results...
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=54t=674
It seems that DGT discuss of that, increasing the number of surface sites
with
The frequency of T° ambient and P_Xs are the same (Around 50 minutes). Is ir
a coincidence?
Arnaud
On 2012-12-13 03:29, Craig wrote:
This is so strange. I set the data in View Test Celani Cell #2, found
here:
http://data.hugnetlab.com/
to view back 4 hours. Then I selected only P_Xs
I think that there is a strong correlation between the ambient and the assumed
power output.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:41 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Direct heating of Celani's wire at EU
Here's a 33 minute period from this morning. To me they look kind of
inverted - one goes up when the other goes down. At least in this sample.
The 50-minute cycles may be there but have to be confirmed by the math ...
the mind is sometimes too good at finding patterns.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012
At 12:55 AM 12/13/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Craig
mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.comcchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
to view back 4 hours. Then I selected only P_Xs Low. Notice that the
excess power is oscillating between 4 watts and 8 watts, in a very
precise
At 01:00 AM 12/13/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
I wrote:
Re almost hourly fluctuations in T_Ambient -- the HVAC system
kicking in periodically, maybe?
Also, do any of the electronics folks here know what the effect
might be on the instrumentation providing us with a measure for P_in
if the
At 01:50 AM 12/13/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
I looked at the voltage, current, and R/R0 values over various
periods and they all look completely flat to me.
At what frequencies? How did you look? If you are looking at a
low-bandwidth display, you might miss high-frequency transients.
At 02:04 AM 12/13/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
Got from another LENR researcher:
There are several reported values for the enthalpy of formation
of nickel hydride with -8.8 kJ/mol being the lowest and -16.3
kJ/mol being the highest at standard temperature and pressure.
He went on to show
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Generally, cold fusion researchers attempt to measure and monitor
loading. It is typically a critical variable.
I think that would be very difficult with this system. Probably
impossible. The mass of the wire is small and it does not absorb much gas.
It is a good
At 03:07 AM 12/13/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
I am looking at 1 minute averages. This is very solid.
Okay. This would not detect invisible excess input power due to
power supply high-frequency variations. At all.
This is what SRI did. They used a constant-current power supply, with
No argument. All we can say right now is neither factor (HF supply noise /
enthalpy) appears to be significant based on the available data for the
supplies and reasonable analysis on the chemical side. Neither the data nor
the analysis is everything one could ask for.
Jeff
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012
At 03:40 PM 12/13/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
No argument. All we can say right now is neither factor (HF supply
noise / enthalpy) appears to be significant based on the available
data for the supplies and reasonable analysis on the chemical side.
Neither the data nor the analysis is
At 02:55 PM 12/13/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Generally, cold fusion researchers attempt to measure and monitor
loading. It is typically a critical variable.
I think that would be very difficult with this system. Probably
impossible. The mass of the wire is small
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/176-eu-cell-2-active-wire-run
Promising results are shown from EU cell of MFMP !
Arnaud
On 2012-12-12 22:08, Arnaud Kodeck wrote:
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/176-eu-cell-2-active-wire-run
Promising results are shown from EU cell of MFMP !
It seems that even taking into account the most conservative baseline to
determine output power by curve fitting (to the
Akira said :
I think it's safe to say that the MFMP finally successfully replicated
Celani's anomalous thermal effect from his treated Constantan wires. The
next step is now to determine whether that is a real effect or it's all
due to a really unexpected artifact lurking somewhere.
I would
On 2012-12-12 22:57, Arnaud Kodeck wrote:
I would be a little more conservative. The excess power must be kept for
more than an hour or two, to at least remove any chemical reaction that may
occur.
As shown now, the excess power has decreased just above 4W. That excess heat
might not stay long.
A self sustained system will insure that the excess heat effect is real.
That means put 12m of Celani's wire inside the cell (4W *12 = 48 equal to
input power). But the system will become very unstable. The 4W is an average
calculated so far from results today. As Rossi claims to do, a buffer of
On 2012-12-12 22:57, Arnaud Kodeck wrote:
As shown now, the excess power has decreased just above 4W. That excess heat
might not stay long. Cross finger that it will happen.
It looks like it increased again. Now it's at almost 8W. No apparent
change in input power or external conditions.
I suspect a correlation with ambient temperature with a delay of around 6~8
min. The ambient temperature went down at 23:20 and the calculated excess
power decreased a few minutes later, now at 6W
On 2012-12-12 22:57, Arnaud Kodeck wrote:
As shown now, the excess power has decreased just
The results from the latest test run of the MFMP Celani replication are
definitely interesting, but there appear to be some strange things happening.
I assume that the power being inputted to the device has an equal effect upon
the outer glass temperature regardless of the drive wire. I am
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 7:47 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Why do we see a breathing type of effect?
This is exactly the term used by McKubre. It occurs in DPd reactions
as the metal is loaded to 90+% then allowed to unload. The gas moves
into the crystal structure and out
Something I haven't seen any discussion about is the amount of energy
required to load materials with hydrogen to be used in these various
LENR/CF devices. If that energy is taken into account, are the claims of
excess energy from the operation of the devices still valid?
[mg]
Yes, McKubre takes the endothermic loading and exothermic off loading
into his calculations in his work at SRI.
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Something I haven't seen any discussion about is the amount of energy
required to load materials with hydrogen to
I believe the initial endothermic event is the collapse of matter within
the void creating a ball of entropy, which then in turn begins to trigger
beta decay in its surroundings releasing some heat, this will be a
continual cycle as long as you can keep triggering the collapse.
Stewart
On Wed,
This is so strange. I set the data in View Test Celani Cell #2, found here:
http://data.hugnetlab.com/
to view back 4 hours. Then I selected only P_Xs Low. Notice that the
excess power is oscillating between 4 watts and 8 watts, in a very
precise rhythm, with each wave appearing to have the same
With NiH loading is not an issue. It seems we have two totally
different LENR reactions occuring. Are they based on the same
physics? Maybe yes, maybe no.
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, McKubre takes the endothermic loading and exothermic off
I should say percentage of loading does not appear to be an issue.
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
With NiH loading is not an issue. It seems we have two totally
different LENR reactions occuring. Are they based on the same
physics? Maybe yes, maybe
And what about in the MFM Project?
[m]
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, McKubre takes the endothermic loading and exothermic off loading
into his calculations in his work at SRI.
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Why is it not an issue?
[m]
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
With NiH loading is not an issue. It seems we have two totally
different LENR reactions occuring. Are they based on the same
physics? Maybe yes, maybe no.
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:26
It's the cracks per Storms. The reactions appear to occur at the
surfaces only. In solid Pd, you have to saturate the crystalline
structure. With high surface areas in Ni powder or Celani's treated
(cracked) wire, there is much more surface area so loading of the
total crystal is much less in
Defkalion actually alters the crystalline structure. Cracks do not
appear to be the issue in their reaction. They have found a secret in
altering the crystal structure to increase the reaction. I'll bet
that the reactions occur at the surface still.
Note that Defkalion uses nickel foam, not
You have to expose electrons in the Ni by altering the structure of
the crystal or creating cracks so that they can influence the excited
electrons in the nascent hydrogen and, using exclusion, the Ni
electrons influence the positions of the H electorns making the H
atoms momentarily appear to be
On 2012-12-13 03:29, Craig wrote:
This is so strange. I set the data in View Test Celani Cell #2, found here:
http://data.hugnetlab.com/
to view back 4 hours. Then I selected only P_Xs Low. Notice that the
excess power is oscillating between 4 watts and 8 watts, in a very
precise rhythm, with
I wonder if Rossi has observed a similar breathing effect. Recalling
the graph from his sept (?) 2011 demo reminds me of the first
oscillation of the graph below.
Rossi may have choosen to limit the length of his public
demonstrations to conceal the oscillations and perhaps his diffiiculty
in
Why not?
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
I should say percentage of loading does not appear to be an issue.
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
With NiH loading is not an issue. It seems we have two totally
The breathing correlates with T_Mica very well. Isn't this the
temperature of the wire? If so, then it's actually power that is
oscillating. I was thinking it might be something in the room environment.
Craig
On 12/12/2012 09:49 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On 2012-12-13 03:29, Craig wrote:
This
I once did some calculation with the volume of the wire, it seems that at
14Watts of output, you have an output equivalent of the same volume in
gasoline burned every 2 minutes. It's an amazing quantity of energy for
such small volume. And gasoline surely holds much more energy/volume than a
At 09:17 PM 12/12/2012, Mark Gibbs wrote:
Something I haven't seen any discussion about is the amount of
energy required to load materials with hydrogen to be used in these
various LENR/CF devices. If that energy is taken into account, are
the claims of excess energy from the operation of the
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
to view back 4 hours. Then I selected only P_Xs Low. Notice that the
excess power is oscillating between 4 watts and 8 watts, in a very precise
rhythm, with each wave appearing to have the same shape, and with each wave
I wrote:
Re almost hourly fluctuations in T_Ambient -- the HVAC system kicking in
periodically, maybe?
Also, do any of the electronics folks here know what the effect might be on
the instrumentation providing us with a measure for P_in if the external
power supply were erratic?
Eric
I looked at the voltage, current, and R/R0 values over various periods and
they all look completely flat to me. I don't see any evidence of erratic
power supply behavior. I'm not so sure about the correlation with T_ambient
either. If you zoom to the 14:00 - 14:50 period the ambient temp drops
Got from another LENR researcher:
There are several reported values for the enthalpy of formation of nickel
hydride with -8.8 kJ/mol being the lowest and -16.3 kJ/mol being the
highest at standard temperature and pressure.
He went on to show that given a wire containing 0.3g of Ni, enthalpy
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