At 07:41 AM 11/8/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I understand why he does not trust people. He has had a painful life
and he has often been betrayed and unjustly persecuted. For example,
one of the charges they sent him to jail for was defrauding the
stockholders. He himself was the only
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
For example, one of the charges they sent him to jail for was defrauding
the stockholders. He himself was the only stockholder, so this was
Kafkaesque. Someone in the Italian justice system had it in for him.
Does anyone have a link for that?
No,
Lack of a patent is one side of the vulnerability.
The other, even more important the stealability, guessability of his
solution (catalyst). Is it something so awfully difficult as that shown
in the nice old (1966( movie- How to steal a million with Audrey Hepburn
and poeter OToole or is it
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
For example, one of the charges they sent him to jail for was defrauding
the stockholders. He himself was the only stockholder, so this was
Kafkaesque. Someone in the Italian
Am 25.11.2011 20:20, schrieb Peter Gluck:
Lack of a patent is one side of the vulnerability.
The other, even more important the stealability, guessability of his
solution (catalyst).
I think they intentionally made their scientific publication and their
patent in such a way that it will be
The degree of correlation of Rossi's problems with the law and the
efficiency of the E-cats is an open question.
The definition from this writing can be applied here:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/01/first-seed.html
However this idea of intelligence can be used but also abused.
I have a
Am 25.11.2011 21:01, schrieb Peter Gluck:
The degree of correlation of Rossi's problems with the law and the
efficiency of the E-cats is an open question.
The definition from this writing can be applied
here:http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/01/first-seed.html
However this idea of
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
There are others that replicated the experiments and got no certainty.
Citations, please?
The cleansing of Ni of resident gases is arduous and necessary. Do
these replications follow that protocol?
T
At 11:38 AM 11/25/2011, Mary Yugo wrote:
Indeed. And I am sure you saw the large catalog of charges and
convictions Rossi has amassed -- I forget where the cite is for that
at the moment but it was quite impressive.
You can read Rossi's version on the Krivit site. And you can read in
I have the certainty because I and some other friends have seen
the cells working and giving excess heat.
I have certainty because what Piantelli says and does has a logical
consistency and I have followed the development for long years
and it was development, was progress.
This does not mean that
Am 25.11.2011 21:37, schrieb Peter Gluck:
I have the certainty because I and some other friends have seen
the cells working and giving excess heat.
I have certainty because what Piantelli says and does has a logical
consistency and I have followed the development for long years
and it was
Have you read Piantelli's publications see my Taxonomy on the blog Ego Out
and on lenr-canr, there are many.papers. What do you think about the
Pontignano Poster I have sent today?
If you read these you will not ask why the hydrides do not give
this effect. The poker play analogy has absolute no
Predictions are very dicey, especially about the future -- evidence
very fallible, especially unsubmitted, especially nonexistent --
conclusions rather premature, especially imagined... while the
feverish delirium of racing on hobby horses suggests dreaming -- the
joint production evolving as a
The important thing with the e-Cat is that there don't seem to be any good faith
classical models left around to explain the effect.
In other words, all the various demonstrations disprove the notion that this is
just misunderstood classical physics.
It is either an elaborate hoax, or this is
The problem is that it is easy to come up with fraudulent methods that
could have delivered the observed demo results. Add to which Rossi has had
no end of opportunities to remove all doubt, at no extra cost in effort or
materials, and without danger of loss of IP, but has chosen not to for
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Robert Lynn
robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem is that it is easy to come up with fraudulent methods
that could have delivered the observed demo results.
This is true and that's one of the points.
Add to which Rossi has had no end of
From Robert Lynn
The problem is that it is easy to come up with fraudulent methods
that could have delivered the observed demo results. Add to
which Rossi has had no end of opportunities to remove all doubt,
at no extra cost in effort or materials, and without danger of
loss of IP, but has
Suggesting that it is due to his inability to get a patent points again to
why he should have done a proper black box demo in January - then he could
have quickly signed up a large expert technology development partner that
could have quickly resolved all of his IP ownership problems. The system
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Suggesting that it is due to his inability to get a patent points again to
why he should have done a proper black box demo in January - then he could
have quickly signed up a large expert technology development partner that
could have quickly
My sympathys. Also thanks for your Miley report, heartening to see the
reverse engineering is progressing so fast. I'm sure others won't be far
behind, and once Chinese govt et al awakens there'll be several hundred
thousand (ex-petroleum?) engineers and scientists working on understanding,
I wrote earlier that Rossi is in a bind because he has no viable patent.
Then just now I wrote that I have urged him to do a proper test, get
funding, and then hire experts, the way, Robert Lynn recommends.
The problem is, Rossi does not trust outsiders. He cannot even bring
himself to give a
Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote:
Designing and setting up an iron-clad demonstration for public consumption
is a major task, and is never good enough if there is disinformation by the
mainstream media.
Designing and setting up a demonstration would take a week or two. However,
Rossi
I wrote:
It would not be appropriate for Rossi to assist or kibbutz
I meant kibitz. Voice input does not handle Yiddish well.
This means, To look on and offer unwanted, usually meddlesome advice to
others.
I expect that people in a Kibbutz often kibitz.
- Jed
On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I wrote earlier that Rossi is in a bind because he has no viable
patent. Then just now I wrote that I have urged him to do a proper
test, get funding, and then hire experts, the way, Robert Lynn
recommends.
The problem is, Rossi does not
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
Rossi's behavior is absurd, unless he doesn't believe in the technology
himself. Then it makes complete sense.
His behavior is irrational and absurd. However, such behavior is common
among inventors and discoverers, and it has been throughout
On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
Rossi's behavior is absurd, unless he doesn't believe in the
technology himself. Then it makes complete sense.
His behavior is irrational and absurd. However, such behavior is
common among
I wrote: This is a different statement from the one I made. I
implied Rossi's behavior makes complete sense if he does not believe
in the technology himself. I did not say it makes complete sense
that Rossi does not believe in the technology. There is a
difference. The question though
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
The question though should be which premise is more consistent with
Rossi's behavior, he believes his own claims, or not?
The premise that best fits his behavior is the same one that fits Harrison,
Patterson, William Shockley, and many other
of luck. It
is amazing how closely related modern LENR research is to the early days of the
transistor.
Dave
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From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
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Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cat / philosophical remarks
On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
The question though should be which premise is more consistent with
Rossi's behavior, he believes his own claims, or not?
The premise that best fits his behavior is the same one that fits
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
It is difficult to believe that Harrison, Patterson, or Shockley would put
on about a dozen demonstrations of their technology, repeatedly botch the
scientific aspects of the demonstrations, and refuse to acknowledge or fix
the problems.
How hard?
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