Re: [Vo]:Fission of heavy nuclei under assymetric electron screening?
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:44:39 -0500: Hi Eric, [snip] >Hi, > >On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 3:12 PM, wrote: > >I don't think there is a lot to be gained from finding an additional means >> of >> bringing about fission. We already have a quite effective way of doing >> that. >> > >The things I like about the idea: > >- The process would not involve neutrons. Fission of the actinides always produces some neutrons anyway. >- There might be the potential for fission in stable (in contrast to >radioactive) heavy isotopes, and so more fuel. There is probably enough U & Th in the oceans to keep us going for millions (billions?) of years. The Japanese have already developed an (expensive) method of extracting the U, but not so expensive as to make it unfeasible. >- Without knowing much about the feasibility of the process at this time, >if it proved to be really effective, you might be able to fission medium >mass isotopes, in contrast to heavy isotopes. The daughters would lie >closer to the line of stability and hence be less radioactive or not >radioactive. If it works, then you may not have to worry about radioactive daughters anyway. > >Eric Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Fission of heavy nuclei under assymetric electron screening?
Hi, On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 3:12 PM, wrote: I don't think there is a lot to be gained from finding an additional means > of > bringing about fission. We already have a quite effective way of doing > that. > The things I like about the idea: - The process would not involve neutrons. - There might be the potential for fission in stable (in contrast to radioactive) heavy isotopes, and so more fuel. - Without knowing much about the feasibility of the process at this time, if it proved to be really effective, you might be able to fission medium mass isotopes, in contrast to heavy isotopes. The daughters would lie closer to the line of stability and hence be less radioactive or not radioactive. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Fission of heavy nuclei under assymetric electron screening?
In reply to bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:42:00 +: Hi, 1) Maybe get the electrons to help instead of considering them a hindrance, as Eric suggested? 2) If that isn't workable, then create a high temperature plasma, where some of the electrons are stripped off making the job easier? >IMHO strong magnetic fields varying at a given resonant frequency (like in >a laser or gaser) have a good chance of causing a metastable isomer that >fissionsgives up potential energy to kinetic energy of two or more new >particles which may be unstable themselves. > >This method of radioactive waste management is one of 7 or8 options listed in >the DOEs EIS for high level waste management at Hanford, issued in the late >1970s. It was considered impractical since there was no open (not dark) >laser/gaser technology available to produce the resonant magnetic/electric >fields of sufficient intensity to penetrate the atomic electronic structure. > >Bob Cook > > >From: Eric Walker<mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com> >Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 6:35 AM >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fission of heavy nuclei under assymetric electron screening? > >Hi Robin, > >On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:34 AM, >mailto:mix...@bigpond.com>> wrote: > >In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sun, 17 Sep 2017 19:10:22 -0500: >Hi Eric, > >While the concept is interesting, consider that it won't deliver excess energy >unless the original isotope is already radioactive. If it is, then you may have >a way of shortening the half life. How are you contemplating going about it? >(Plenty of radioactive substances around that many people would be only to >happy >to pay you to take away. ;) > >The hope was that if the idea had merit in the case of heavy nuclei that decay >by spontaneous fission, it might also be applicable to heavy nuclei that are >normally stable. One thought about how to trigger the process: a strong >magnetic field will shift the electron orbitals in a preferred direction; >perhaps this will in turn set up a gradient of electron density along the >preferred direction. > >Eric > Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Fission of heavy nuclei under assymetric electron screening?
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Mon, 18 Sep 2017 08:35:12 -0500: Hi Eric, I don't think there is a lot to be gained from finding an additional means of bringing about fission. We already have a quite effective way of doing that. However it could be very useful as a means of remediating nuclear waste. Perhaps it could be combined with NMR/MRI technology to distend the nucleus with centrifugal force by spinning it, and an additional external electric field gradient? >Hi Robin, > >On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:34 AM, wrote: > >In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sun, 17 Sep 2017 19:10:22 -0500: >> Hi Eric, >> >> While the concept is interesting, consider that it won't deliver excess >> energy >> unless the original isotope is already radioactive. If it is, then you may >> have >> a way of shortening the half life. How are you contemplating going about >> it? >> (Plenty of radioactive substances around that many people would be only to >> happy >> to pay you to take away. ;) >> > >The hope was that if the idea had merit in the case of heavy nuclei that >decay by spontaneous fission, it might also be applicable to heavy nuclei >that are normally stable. One thought about how to trigger the process: a >strong magnetic field will shift the electron orbitals in a preferred >direction; perhaps this will in turn set up a gradient of electron density >along the preferred direction. > >Eric Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Fission of heavy nuclei under assymetric electron screening?
Fission in LENR is caused by muons. If Ed Storms would invest in a muon detector, then he would see that this assertion is true. The Chernobyl disaster was caused in part by an electric explosion in water as the source of added fission induced by muon emissions from the electric exposition. See: On the possible physical mechanism of Chernobyl catastrophe and the unsoundness of official conclusion A.A. Rukhadze,* L.I. Urutskojev,** D.V. Filippov** https://arxiv.org/ftp/nucl-ex/papers/0304/0304024.pdf "Apart from the neutron mechanism, other mechanisms of uranium fission are also known to exist, for example, fission induced by slow muons [24]. . The mechanism of uranium fission under the action of magnetic monopoles has been considered theoretically [25]. It was suggested [25] that the monopole-nuclear interaction is so strong that a monopole that comes close to a nucleus can induce 238U fission." L.I. Urutskojev and D.V. Filippov latter verified this assertion in exploding titanium foil experiments that produced fission in uranium at a distance from the electric arc explosion. As we now know through the work of Ken Shoulders and G. Egely, dusty plasma produces LENR activated nanoparticles and polaritons. The polaritons generate the monopole magnetic field lines that induce muon production. On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 11:42 AM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com < bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote: > IMHO strong magnetic fields varying at a given resonant frequency (like > in a laser or gaser) have a good chance of causing a metastable isomer that > fissions—gives up potential energy to kinetic energy of two or more new > particles which may be unstable themselves. > > > > This method of radioactive waste management is one of 7 or8 options listed > in the DOE’s EIS for high level waste management at Hanford, issued in the > late 1970’s. It was considered impractical since there was no open (not > dark) laser/gaser technology available to produce the resonant > magnetic/electric fields of *sufficient intensity* to penetrate the > atomic electronic structure. > > > > Bob Cook > > > > > > *From: *Eric Walker > *Sent: *Monday, September 18, 2017 6:35 AM > *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Fission of heavy nuclei under assymetric electron > screening? > > > > Hi Robin, > > > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:34 AM, wrote: > > > > In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sun, 17 Sep 2017 19:10:22 -0500: > Hi Eric, > > While the concept is interesting, consider that it won't deliver excess > energy > unless the original isotope is already radioactive. If it is, then you may > have > a way of shortening the half life. How are you contemplating going about > it? > (Plenty of radioactive substances around that many people would be only to > happy > to pay you to take away. ;) > > > > The hope was that if the idea had merit in the case of heavy nuclei that > decay by spontaneous fission, it might also be applicable to heavy nuclei > that are normally stable. One thought about how to trigger the process: a > strong magnetic field will shift the electron orbitals in a preferred > direction; perhaps this will in turn set up a gradient of electron density > along the preferred direction. > > > > Eric > > > > >
RE: [Vo]:Fission of heavy nuclei under assymetric electron screening?
IMHO strong magnetic fields varying at a given resonant frequency (like in a laser or gaser) have a good chance of causing a metastable isomer that fissions—gives up potential energy to kinetic energy of two or more new particles which may be unstable themselves. This method of radioactive waste management is one of 7 or8 options listed in the DOE’s EIS for high level waste management at Hanford, issued in the late 1970’s. It was considered impractical since there was no open (not dark) laser/gaser technology available to produce the resonant magnetic/electric fields of sufficient intensity to penetrate the atomic electronic structure. Bob Cook From: Eric Walker<mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 6:35 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fission of heavy nuclei under assymetric electron screening? Hi Robin, On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:34 AM, mailto:mix...@bigpond.com>> wrote: In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sun, 17 Sep 2017 19:10:22 -0500: Hi Eric, While the concept is interesting, consider that it won't deliver excess energy unless the original isotope is already radioactive. If it is, then you may have a way of shortening the half life. How are you contemplating going about it? (Plenty of radioactive substances around that many people would be only to happy to pay you to take away. ;) The hope was that if the idea had merit in the case of heavy nuclei that decay by spontaneous fission, it might also be applicable to heavy nuclei that are normally stable. One thought about how to trigger the process: a strong magnetic field will shift the electron orbitals in a preferred direction; perhaps this will in turn set up a gradient of electron density along the preferred direction. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Fission of heavy nuclei under assymetric electron screening?
Hi Robin, On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:34 AM, wrote: In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sun, 17 Sep 2017 19:10:22 -0500: > Hi Eric, > > While the concept is interesting, consider that it won't deliver excess > energy > unless the original isotope is already radioactive. If it is, then you may > have > a way of shortening the half life. How are you contemplating going about > it? > (Plenty of radioactive substances around that many people would be only to > happy > to pay you to take away. ;) > The hope was that if the idea had merit in the case of heavy nuclei that decay by spontaneous fission, it might also be applicable to heavy nuclei that are normally stable. One thought about how to trigger the process: a strong magnetic field will shift the electron orbitals in a preferred direction; perhaps this will in turn set up a gradient of electron density along the preferred direction. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Fission of heavy nuclei under assymetric electron screening?
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sun, 17 Sep 2017 19:10:22 -0500: Hi Eric, While the concept is interesting, consider that it won't deliver excess energy unless the original isotope is already radioactive. If it is, then you may have a way of shortening the half life. How are you contemplating going about it? (Plenty of radioactive substances around that many people would be only to happy to pay you to take away. ;) >Hi, > >There are a few people (e.g., Robin) who may be able to comment on this >possibility: > >I have wondered about the following possibility for fission under >asymmetric electron screening: Consider a moderate to heavy nucleus. In >heavy nuclei, the balance between the Coulomb force and the residual >nuclear force is a very delicate one. The sensitivity of this balance can >be seen in the case of alpha emission in oblong deformed nuclei, where >alpha particles are more likely to be emitted at the poles of the nucleus, >where the Coulomb barrier is thinner, than at the waste. I propose that if >you could get nontrivial asymmetric electron screening for any amount of >time, e.g., a gradient of electron density in which the nucleus momentarily >resides, the tidal forces caused by the differential balance of nuclear and >Coulomb forces on either side of the nucleus would cause the it to become >unstable and liable to fission. > >Not sure how plausible this idea is, but it's an interesting one to think >about. > >Eric Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:Fission of heavy nuclei under assymetric electron screening?
Hi, There are a few people (e.g., Robin) who may be able to comment on this possibility: I have wondered about the following possibility for fission under asymmetric electron screening: Consider a moderate to heavy nucleus. In heavy nuclei, the balance between the Coulomb force and the residual nuclear force is a very delicate one. The sensitivity of this balance can be seen in the case of alpha emission in oblong deformed nuclei, where alpha particles are more likely to be emitted at the poles of the nucleus, where the Coulomb barrier is thinner, than at the waste. I propose that if you could get nontrivial asymmetric electron screening for any amount of time, e.g., a gradient of electron density in which the nucleus momentarily resides, the tidal forces caused by the differential balance of nuclear and Coulomb forces on either side of the nucleus would cause the it to become unstable and liable to fission. Not sure how plausible this idea is, but it's an interesting one to think about. Eric