Re: [Vo]:Organic farming under threat...

2009-03-09 Thread leaking pen
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/sep/06/health/he-organic6?s=on=ord=www.consumerfreedom.comsessid=48b8477102f0851fe27cee152b2fcdd1f9c1f6d0pg=4pgtp=articleeagi=page_type=articleexci=2004_09_06_health_he-organic6

Re: [Vo]:Organic farming under threat...

2009-03-09 Thread Nick Palmer
You lot must realise that I usually put forward a strong environmentalist line on this forum. But I have to say I agree with the anti-organic methods posts in this thread but... but... but... firstly, organic farming will only use fungicides when necessary, whereas conventional agriculture has

[Vo]:Organic farming under threat...

2009-03-08 Thread John Berry
Organic and Small Farmers and Ranchers; Natural Food Products Farmers Under Attack... The Obama administration is pushing farm controls through Congress as fast as possible and has coordinated the bills so there will be no debate and the committee meetings

Re: [Vo]:Organic farming under threat...

2009-03-08 Thread leaking pen
This is becuase the organic old school sprays that most organic farms use are actually MORE toxic. Most modern bug and fungus sprays are designed to break down quickly and NOT poison groundwater. Where as the old organics One of the common fungicides is copper acetate or sulfate. Which

Re: [Vo]:Organic farming under threat...

2009-03-08 Thread John Berry
Um, I don't know for sure but I don't think that the certified organic produce used the sprays you are talking about, certainly I know that it has a far lower level of toxicity in the produce and beter levels of vitamins, phytonutrients and minerals. If certified organic in the US is so poorly

Re: [Vo]:Organic farming under threat...

2009-03-08 Thread leaking pen
Copper sulfate and other copper salts are pretty much the ONLY fungicides used by organic farming. The sprays used today by conventional farming are NOT the poisonous , groundwater polluting, wildlife killing soups they were 20 years ago. We figured out that certain things were bad, and then

Re: [Vo]:Organic farming under threat...

2009-03-08 Thread John Berry
You have some quite unbalanced points in there but I don't have the will or time to argue. What I can say is that the contamination issues you mention have much misinfo around them. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:54 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote: Copper sulfate and other copper salts are

Re: [Vo]:Organic farming under threat...

2009-03-08 Thread leaking pen
In other words you have a gut instinct that I'm wrong, I mean, organic HAS to be better, right? Just look at the name. But you have no clue in what way I'm wrong, and you'd rather not do the research and shatter your world view. Sigh. Just like all the anti alt sci types. This is a SCIENCE

Re: [Vo]:Organic farming under threat...

2009-03-08 Thread John Berry
No, I know that it is better, and know know that much of what you say is flawed but I don't see the point in arguing it with you. Organic food has higher levels of vitamins and phytonutrients, is lacks the chemical soup that is used by conventionally grown produce and various other advantages. I