Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-24 Thread fznidarsic
Did not happen. http://20121221.tv/nasa-admits-cold-fusion-lenr-energy-revolution-2012-reupload-fast-do-not-let-this-be-covered-up/

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-23 Thread Alan Fletcher
Andrea Rossi January 23rd, 2013 at 5:14 PM Dear Steven N. Karels: I am so glad of your comment! I was afraid you could be offended, but, as you well understood, I just joked with you, not against you. It was just a homouristic way to tell you I can’t explain what happens inside the reactor.

[Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread Edmund Storms
Of course Peter, this kind of reaction is expected. Patterson objected to the F-P patent for the same reason - GREED. These fights will become more common as the phenomenon gets closer to making money. Greed is a two edge sword. It gives incentive but it will also cause the eventual

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread Peter Gluck
Thanks! This is an especially nasty case. Remember please what I have told about the Holy Grail in my former writing. Peter On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Of course Peter, this kind of reaction is expected. Patterson objected to the F-P patent for

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 22-1-2013 20:16, Edmund Storms wrote: Of course Peter, this kind of reaction is expected. Patterson objected to the F-P patent for the same reason - GREED. These fights will become more common as the phenomenon gets closer to making money. Greed is a two edge sword. It gives

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread Edmund Storms
I agree Rob. No patent is defendable at this stage. I believe that Piantelli, Rossi et al. are wasting their time and money fighting over patents. The real value will come later after the process is understood and can be applied in the most efficient way. We are too far from this goal to

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: This exactly why this and associated patent(s) should be placed in the Open source domain, so each and everyone can benefit from this knowledge. All patents are open-source, by definition. They are made public. They have been since they were invented

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread Rob Dingemans
Dear Jed et al, On 22-1-2013 20:47, Jed Rothwell wrote: Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com mailto:manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: This exactly why this and associated patent(s) should be placed in the Open source domain, so each and everyone can benefit from this knowledge. All

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread Peter Gluck
I ma sorry to disappoint you but in the real industrial practice around, beyond, and above the patent description there exist critical elements of Know What, Know How, Know Why and in some cases Know Who. If you buy a licence you pay for the patent but also for the other technical issues. Peter

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: What I mean, is that no-one can claim whatever ownership and therefore obtain money for the knowledge disclosed in the patent, as this knowledge is way to important for humanity to be prevented from to be applied in general use. I do not see how

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread a.ashfield
Rob Dingemans Of course an inventor is to be linked to the patent(s), so this person can be seen as someone that has brought a (great) contribution for the field.' Hard to live on your great contribution, particularly if you have spent all your money and hocked your house to develop it.

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread Alain Sepeda
2013/1/22 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com All patents are open-source, by definition. They are made public. They have been since they were invented in the 1600s. That is the whole point of a patent. great remark. without/before patent there is only NDA and trade secret. only place

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread Edmund Storms
My understanding is that a patent is only valuable if it actually follows the rules. If the patent can be shown to have been granted based on false claims, it can be ruled to be unenforceable by the courts. In which case the inventor gets nothing. Meanwhile the inventor has spent a lot of

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread David Roberson
Message- From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Tue, Jan 22, 2013 2:31 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR I agree Rob. No patent is defendable at this stage. I believe that Piantelli

RE: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
: Edmund Storms; c...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR My understanding is that a patent is only valuable if it actually follows the rules. If the patent can be shown to have been granted based on false claims, it can be ruled to be unenforceable by the courts

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 23-1-2013 0:16, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: Perhaps the motivation for the LENR researchers is more $ to continue the research... there is no $ coming from govt which is typically where academia gets research $. Thus, the researchers have to go to the private sector and private investors are

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread a.ashfield
From ecatreport Andrea Rossi writes: I receive many requests of opinion about the last patents granted in matter of LENR: this comment answers to all. None of those patents explains how the E-Cat can work. I read very shaky theories in them that never produced anything really

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

2013-01-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: after the decision, the patent examiners are more likely to cite the wireless networking as prior art and arguing that adapting it to other areas is obvious to one skilled in the art. Why are the patent examiners