Re: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:27 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia uses a lot of poor, dated references in Cold Fusion and the editor this could be forgiven, but given more recent reference to mainstream article (like il corriere della serra, or justice) they refuse to

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-09 Thread Terry Blanton
@Orion's Belt Jones cynical? Nahhh. Well, maybe a little. At least he has some feelings left and is not jaded to the core like me. It's not easy being green

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-09 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Terry, Speaking of cynicism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiKBISeIySo It's not easy being green ... I thought you weren't green. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-07 Thread Axil Axil
I don;t think that it is possible to build a Ni62 micro particle that is 100 microns in size that has been sintered together from 5 micron particles and still retain the commercial COTS catalytic surface treatment as seen in commercial 5 micron powders. The devil is in the details. On Thu, Aug

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-07 Thread Alain Sepeda
Wikipedia uses a lot of poor, dated references in Cold Fusion and the editor this could be forgiven, but given more recent reference to mainstream article (like il corriere della serra, or justice) they refuse to update. this is what make the difference from error by incompetence, to

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Yes. I suspect that Brian deduced this as being “likely,” rather than heard it. He has a wide network of well-placed associates. As you know, he has been highly critical of Lugano, and rightly so. Yes, I have been critical of Lugano too, and so has Mike

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread Jones Beene
First off, ashfield - it is next to impossible to libel Rossi. The judicial system of Italy has guaranteed that. His Wiki entry, read by millions, begins this way: Andrea Rossi (born 3 June 1950) is an Italian convicted fraudster and claimed inventor.[1][2][3] My remarks were more generous -

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: Jones Beene, It is little wonder why concerned LENR scientists (like Brian Ahern) now believe that IH has finally seen through Rossi’s BS and are on the verge of dumping him. Do you have a reference for this? I was going to ask the same thing. Where

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: First off, ashfield - it is next to impossible to libel Rossi. The judicial system of Italy has guaranteed that. His Wiki entry, read by millions, begins this way: Andrea Rossi (born 3 June 1950) is an Italian convicted fraudster and claimed

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread a.ashfield
Jones beene, I asked for a reference to back up your claim. You failed to give it. Secondhand hearsay is hardly convincing. As for the Wikipedia piece, they seem as biased as you are.

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread a.ashfield
Jones Beene, You are prepared to libel Rossi because you haven't seen proof of what he claims. Should we assume the same for you without proof? What you wrote, that Rossi is a liar and a fraud, is more suited to the muck in shutrossidown.com than Vortex.

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell It is little wonder why concerned LENR scientists (like Brian Ahern) now believe that IH has finally seen through Rossi’s BS and are on the verge of dumping him. * I was going to ask the same thing. Where did you hear that? From Brian Ahern I suppose. I wonder where

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread Lennart Thornros
Jones, it is not a trial. I understand that you have a negative opinion about Rossi. Right or wrong. The semi-connection between what you call him a scam artist and a conviction for tax eviction is stretching the argument way beyond reasons. Why so critical - ( really judgmental)? Why not let him

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread a.ashfield
Jones Beene, Rossi was convicted for tax evasion, not tax fraud, decades ago. It has nothing to do with you libeling him about the E-Cat. This discussion is pointless. Adrian

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell I believe tax evasion is the national pastime in Italy…. And that makes it ok? Heck, just blame the prosecutor… somebody had it in for him, right? The point is that Rossi cheated when a lot of money was at stake. Not once, but many times. Would he do it again with

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread a.ashfield
Jed, My understanding was that after some 60 indictments were thrown out Rossi was convicted of tax evasion. This most popular sport in Italy is not the same was fraud. Wikipedia uses a lot of poor, dated references in Cold Fusion and the editor Andythegrump spends his life preventing others

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
One thing I've learned about Jones over the years is that when someone is gullible enough to attack his personal assessments on LENR subjects I can pretty much expect that instead of defending his positions he will immediately launch a strong offense. Doing so, Jones is more than capable of

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Five of the Italian prosecutions for tax evasion ended with convictions (custody imprisonments) and those were not reversed, and Rossi never claimed they were. Is that so? I admit I have not followed the story closely, so I'll take your word for it. I

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell Ø He was convicted, but the conviction was thrown out. Therefore he is not guilty. You cannot site a conviction in court as proof of guilt when that same conviction is later voided by the courts. Wait a minute. You act like there was only the one Petrodragon

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread Lennart Thornros
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: reticence ​Jones you might be right but why make a judgment before fact is in? His reports are positive and if he fabricate all his anecdotes, as you call his reports. then we can agree he is good at that. However, LENR

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread a.ashfield
Steven, Would components from the Vort Collective continuum care to comment? Unfortunately I can't read Frank Acland's reply, who knows all about it. I'm again getting a message saying there is a coding error and the page won't display. From where I sit, the news is that the plant is really

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread Jones Beene
From: Frank Acland Ø Ø From what we have been told, what is being tested now IS a commercial product, providing heat to a factory and saving the factory owner a significant amount of money in heating costs. “Been told” is the operative phrase. The plant owner is silent and is

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread a.ashfield
Jones Beene, It is little wonder why concerned LENR scientists (like Brian Ahern) now believe that IH has finally seen through Rossi’s BS and are on the verge of dumping him. Do you have a reference for this? Your comment then tails off into gobbledegook so there still seems to be a coding

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread Frank Acland
From what we have been told, what is being tested now IS a commercial product, providing heat to a factory and saving the factory owner a significant amount of money in heating costs. On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From

[Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Ashfield, ... The good news is that Aftenposten, Norway's largest newspaper , has reported they have expert third party confirmation that Rossi's 1 MW thermal LENR plant is working well. It is now at about 168 days of the 350 day trial. If, as now looks likely, LENR works,

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-06 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Thanks Frank, Due to numerous personal distractions that are constantly invading my life I sort of got out of the habit of keeping tabs of e-Cat world. Perhaps I should try to remedy that. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks