>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Axil Axil
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2014 12:08 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
>
> To account for the appearance of superconductivity and cluster fusion in
> the NiH reactor, I predict
: Friday, February 28, 2014 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
To account for the appearance of superconductivity and cluster fusion in the
NiH reactor, I predict that a magnetic field of 10^16 tesla emanating from the
NAE will be announced as an experimental finding from NiH
To account for the appearance of superconductivity and cluster fusion in
the NiH reactor, I predict that a magnetic field of 10^16 tesla emanating
from the NAE will be announced as an experimental finding from NiH reactor
research.
Such an experimental finding will be selective and conclusive in
2014-02-28 19:07 GMT+01:00 Edmund Storms :
> approach
thanks for the advice.
I asked you that, not only for my personal curiosity (anyway I took my
distance with theories), but because businessmen I know ask me opinion on
researchers and their theories...
My main message it to be very careful,
gt; Axil--
>
> Are the polaritons found in the crack with its high magnetic field?
>
> Bob
>
> --
> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 13:57:03 -0500
>
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
> From: janap...@gmail.com
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>
Axil--
Are the polaritons found in the crack with its high magnetic field?
Bob
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 13:57:03 -0500
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
From: janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
The polariton is how the electrons become bosons. Polaritons are not subject to
the
ons…. The challenge is proving that quantum effects can actually provide
useful energy and arguing over how they do it can wait. Ed is saying show me
the money..I mean energy.Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 12:17 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: EXTERNAL
idering they are free electrons and not in a QM system where PEP acts?
> I am thinking of a plasma like group of electrons.
>
> Bob
>
> --
> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 13:30:51 -0500
>
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
> From: janap
the random motion of gas
>> atoms but am quite willing to accept your interpretation based on
>> interaction with photons and electrons…. The challenge is proving that
>> quantum effects can actually provide useful energy and arguing over how
>> they do it can wait. Ed i
Axil--
Can the electrons pair up to form a Bose particle to avoid the PEP considering
they are free electrons and not in a QM system where PEP acts? I am thinking
of a plasma like group of electrons.
Bob
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 13:30:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
From
: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 18:15:16 +
Axil, again well said [snip] The energy necessary for fusion does not come from
chemical sources, it is derived from a quantum mechanical "squeezing&quo
on with photons and electrons….
> The challenge is proving that quantum effects can actually provide useful
> energy and arguing over how they do it can wait. Ed is saying show me the
> money..I mean energy.
>
> Fran
>
>
>
> From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com
gt; interaction with photons and electrons The challenge is proving that
>> quantum effects can actually provide useful energy and arguing over how
>> they do it can wait. Ed is saying show me the money..I mean energy.
>>
>> Fran
>>
>>
>>
>> *F
xil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2014 12:17 PM
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
>
>
>
> The energy necessary for fusion does not come from chemical sources, it is
> derived from a quantum mechanica
is saying show me the money..I
mean energy.
Fran
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 12:17 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
The energy necessary for fusion does not come from chemical sources, it is
derived from
I just wrote some other comments regarding this item.
>> They basically say the same thing about HUP and PEP.
>>
>> Bob
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Axil Axil
>> To: vortex-l
>> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:06 PM
>> Subject: Re:
On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Bob Cook wrote:
>
> Ed--
>
> I agree with Axil. * I just wrote some other comments regarding this
> item. They basically say the same thing about HUP and PEP.*
>
> *Bob*
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Axil Axil
> *To:* vortex-l
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:
> If this huge energy is available, why does it only affect a nuclear
> process taking place in a chemical environment. Why does the energy not
> affect chemical reactions that can also occur in the material and require
> far less energy to in
y
>>> tries to understand what actually occurs and physics focuses on what MIGHT
>>> happen.
>>>
>>> Do you understand and agree that the laws of thermodynamics apply to a
>>> lattice? Do you agree that they place a limit on how energy can operat
ate at the atomic
>>> level? Do you agree these limits apply to a nuclear process?
>>>
>>>
>>> For example I would say as a proton enters the Pd lattice it becomes
>>> part of the QM lattice system, effecting a change in the potential energy,
>>> the
s respective particles in the system changing and sharing the energy
>>> and momentum based on their respective characteristics of mass, charge,
>>> spin etc.
>>
>> That is a correct description. However, this does not case a nuclear process
>> to happ
om,
>>>
>>> Exactly right John. The site of the nuclear process MUST occur outside
>>> of the chemical structure. Once the correct location is identified, QM can
>>> be applied in ways that are consistent with this environment. Trying to fit
>>> QM
nd momentum based on their respective characteristics of mass, charge,
>> spin etc.
>>
>>
>> That is a correct description. However, this does not case a nuclear
>> process to happen. You need a mechanism that lowers the barrier and then
>> dissipates MeV level
ption does not show
> how this can be done.
>
>>
>> Even considering our conceptual differences, I will read your book regarding
>> LENR science when it comes out and probably have comments.
>>
>
> I welcome your comments, Bob, because they reveal the c
>
> Even considering our conceptual differences, I will read your book
> regarding LENR science when it comes out and probably have comments.
>
>
>
> I welcome your comments, Bob, because they reveal the conceptual
> differences I need to address to make the arguments effective i
PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
Ed:
Trying to fit QM to the lattice is a waste of time.
Axil:
No Ed, this is a critical mistake. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and the
Pauli Exclusion Principle are critical in understanding what the electrons and
Ed--
>
> I agree with Axil. I just wrote some other comments regarding this item.
> They basically say the same thing about HUP and PEP.
>
> Bob
> - Original Message -
> From: Axil Axil
> To: vortex-l
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:06 PM
> Subj
riginal Message -
> From: Edmund Storms
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Cc: Edmund Storms
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 2:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
>
> Exactly right John. The site of the nuclear process MUST occur outside of the
> chemic
Ed--
I agree with Axil. I just wrote some other comments regarding this item. They
basically say the same thing about HUP and PEP.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room
ience when it comes out and probably have comments.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Edmund Storms
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
Exactly right John. The site of the nuclear
Ed:
Trying to fit QM to the lattice is a waste of time.
Axil:
No Ed, this is a critical mistake. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and
the Pauli Exclusion Principle are critical in understanding what the
electrons and photons are doing and where they get their great power from.
t;
>> ----- Original Message -
>> *From:* Edmund Storms
>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> *Cc:* Edmund Storms
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:07 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
>>
>> Axil, after considerable thought
Ed:
While what Axil describes are not unconventional theories in physics, they
have no relationship to LENR. That is the problem in physics these days,
any idea can be applied to LENR no matter how unrelated to reality it might
be. The justification being that QM is a world unrelated to common logi
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Edmund Storms
wrote:
Axil, after considerable thought and examination of the literature, I can
say with certain that the various theories are flawed because they do not
acknowledge the chemical conditions in which LENR occurs.
Axil:
I acknowledge chemical conditi
If the limitations imposed by chemistry are applied to what is actually
> >observed, the explanation becomes much clearer.
>
> What limitations do you have in mind?
>
> Bob Cook
> - Original Message -
> From: Edmund Storms
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Cc: Ed
uch clearer.
>
> What limitations do you have in mind?
>
> Bob Cook
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Edmund Storms
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Cc:* Edmund Storms
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:07 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
&g
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Edmund Storms
> Date: February 27, 2014 2:15:33 PM MST
> To: Bob Cook
> Cc: Edmund Storms
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
>
> Bob,
>
> While what Axil describes are not unconventional theories in physics, they
>
Storms
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
Axil, after considerable thought and examination of the literature, I can say
with certain that the various theories are flawed because they do not
acknowledge the chemical conditions in which LENR
Axil, after considerable thought and examination of the literature, I can say
with certain that the various theories are flawed because they do not
acknowledge the chemical conditions in which LENR occurs. Too often various
esoteric quantum processes are applied that are in basic conflict with t
The primary issue that the LENR theorist faces is to judge "how much is
enough" or "how far do we need to zoom in".
The reason why there are so many cold fusion theories is that most
theorists have not approached the essence of the LENR issue.
To illustrate the situation that LENR faces as a huge
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