http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090108171638.htm
http://tinyurl.com/9pcw7r
... what yeast is to the process used to create ethanol,
Clostridium beijerinckii is to the process that results in butanol.
You can use distiller's grains, biomass, pretty much anything that
can
Horace and Robin,
The dipole magnetic force is a 1/r^4 force, so can exceed the 1/r^2 Coulomb
force at a small
enough radius ...
I think that an inverse fifth power will apply here, but backtracking to the
original post- wasn't the whole point premised on the Mills' hypothesis of
On Nov 16, 2008, at 7:13 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
Horace and Robin,
The dipole magnetic force is a 1/r^4 force, so can exceed the 1/
r^2 Coulomb force at a small
enough radius ...
I think that an inverse fifth power will apply here,
Why? The dipole force is a 1/r^4 force.
but
From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JB: I think that an inverse fifth power will apply here
Why? The dipole force is a 1/r^4 force.
Yes - It is at macro dimensions.
... but at nanoscale and below there are, first of all- numerous online
references to a jump to the fifth power at the
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:55:26 -0900:
Hi,
[snip]
On Nov 16, 2008, at 7:13 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
Horace and Robin,
The dipole magnetic force is a 1/r^4 force, so can exceed the 1/
r^2 Coulomb force at a small
enough radius ...
I think that an inverse
Hi Robin,
How then is the electron bound to the proton at all?
..consider: given that a circular orbit, in QM terms, is an illusion,
the lack of an apparent binding electrostatic attraction (even if one did
not agree with Mills) does not necessarily prelude magnetic (or other)
attraction.
The
On Nov 15, 2008, at 8:14 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
Hi Robin,
How then is the electron bound to the proton at all?
..consider: given that a circular orbit, in QM terms, is an
illusion,
the lack of an apparent binding electrostatic attraction (even if
one did
not agree with Mills) does not
On Nov 15, 2008, at 8:14 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
Hi Robin,
How then is the electron bound to the proton at all?
..consider: given that a circular orbit, in QM terms, is an
illusion,
the lack of an apparent binding electrostatic attraction (even if
one did
not agree with Mills) does not
Let me try this again.
On Nov 15, 2008, at 8:14 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
Hi Robin,
How then is the electron bound to the proton at all?
..consider: given that a circular orbit, in QM terms, is an
illusion,
the lack of an apparent binding electrostatic attraction (even if
one did
not
One downside to butanol is it is both toxic and water soluble, a very
bad combination. This is the problem with another gasoline additive,
MTBE. Gasoline spills not having MTBE are much easier to clean up,
and less likely to actually get to well intakes in large quantity
because gasoline
of magnitude ? maybe, then the downside of
butanol is less objectionable - in a risk vs rewards way. It could still be
pumped at a station, but the pump would need to be modified. If spilled there
would be a window of time when most of it could be sopped up.
Most of us who have camped
- Original Message
From: Remi Cornwall
Yes it a Maxwell Demon but it can be done if you know your way around the
Maxwell Demon arguments.
This is not to detract from you argument, which I like --
... but would want to see more detail (like are you using the penduli in the
same
Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One downside to butanol is it is both toxic and water
soluble, a very bad combination. This is the problem with
another gasoline additive, MTBE. Gasoline spills not having
MTBE are much easier to clean up, and less likely to
actually get to well
Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 October 2008 18:14
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tata, Butanol, Biofuels
- Original Message
From: Remi Cornwall
Yes it a Maxwell Demon but it can be done if you know your way around the
Maxwell Demon arguments
Vo,
All these things are just the energy vector.
At the moment we are constrained to the wheel running on road. (It's been
like for millennia until someone comes up with non-aerofoil levitation).
The most graceful solution to mobility of apelike-bipeds is the electric
motor 80% efficient.
The
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Sent: 30 October 2008 18:14
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tata, Butanol, Biofuels
- Original Message
From: Remi Cornwall
Yes it a Maxwell Demon but it can be done if you know your way around the
Maxwell Demon arguments.
This is not to detract from you argument
- Original Message
From: Remi Cornwall
RC: You know nothing. You aren't doing research at top universities, you don't
have supervisors/mentors at the highest level, have to be subject to
due-diligence, show real data, approach a problem from many directions and
get it to tie up, get
to it.
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 October 2008 18:14
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tata, Butanol, Biofuels
- Original Message
From: Remi Cornwall
Yes it a Maxwell Demon but it can be done if you know your way around the
Maxwell
Very easy to email and be snappy.
Sorry Jones, I just don't believe you can drop below ground state and not
see it in nature. Where is the spectrographic data?
Turn a 'scope at a hot nebula and Mills should get lines he predicts.
Preferentially hydrogen (and all the other stuff) should have
While it might be true that we need new engines for most of the
new fuels, butanol can be used in gasoline engines with little
or no modification, making Jones' idea doubly useful.
--- R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(snip)
In this admosphere and culture, don't expect results. Expect
Jones, far be it from me to knock any idea to expand the use of wind power
but wouldn't it be simpler to use a pyrolysing/gasification process to turn
the cellulose into syngas? This has the added benefit that part of the
biomass feedstock could be turned into bio-char which is being researched
In reply to R.C.Macaulay's message of Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:57:49 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
I suggested the design approach to a new engine would be by designing a
transmission with an engine inside rather than an engine with a
transmission inside.That ridiculus remark almost got me kicked outa the
--- Michael :
While it might be true that we need new engines for
most of the new fuels, butanol can be used in gasoline
engines with little or no modification, making Jones'
idea doubly useful.
Indeed. It even gives us slightly better mileage and
less toxic emissions in older gasoline engines
- Original Message -
From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
Sounds like an electric motor in each wheel. ;)
MC: A Japanese group has built an all electric car with stunning
performance, using eight in-wheel motors and lithium -ion-cost-no-object
batteries. There is a
--- Nick
but wouldn't it be simpler to use a
pyrolysing/gasification process to turn
the cellulose into syngas?
Simpler yes, and it would be a lower initial
investment... perhaps it is a good way to start-out,
but significant CO2 is produced; whereas with the
aqua-gen type of conversion,
Jones Beene wrote:
One further thought on a partial, practical and simple
but innovative solution - to the over-use of fossil
fuels in the USA: Putting wind to work on switchgrass
farms.
Indian Reservations, which need the jobs and
investment.
Too bad the geographical areas which would
Very interesting article.
http://www.forbes.com/business/2006/06/20/ethanol-fuel-biobutanol-cz_kad_0620ethanol.html
SAN FRANCISCO - DuPont and BP, riding the global wave of enthusiasm
for bio-based fuels, announced today that the two companies have
developed a new biofuel called biobutanol that
idium acetobutylicum, where it is converted into butanol. Ramey has claimed a 42% butanol yield from this process."
Cows make Butyric Acid in their rumens, but it's hard to pipe it out.
http://commtechlab.msu.edu/sites/dlc-me/zoo/zacmain.html
"The rumen stinks. This is because microbes in th
lcohol with ten carbon atoms and the molecular formula CH3(CH2)9OH. It is a colorless viscous liquid that is insoluble "
- Original Message -
From: Frederick Sparber
To: vortex-l
Sent: 5/18/2006 3:31:16 AM
Subject: Re: Butanol
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Butan
In reply to Zell, Chris's message of Wed, 17 May 2006 16:34:36
-0500:
Hi,
[snip]
I must confess I've never heard of this. It sounds somewhat
astonishing.
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Butanol
A gasoline substitute that's cheap and fully equal in BTU energy
However it may be too
I must confess I've never heard of this. It sounds somewhat
astonishing.
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Butanol
A gasoline substitute that's cheap and fully equal in BTU energy
At 04:34 pm 17/05/2006 -0500, you wrote:
I must confess I've never heard of this. It sounds somewhat
astonishing.
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Butanol
A gasoline substitute that's cheap and fully equal in BTU energy
Sounds good to me. One learns something everyday on Vortex.
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