- Original Nachricht
Von: Rich Murray
An: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Datum: 29.09.2011 03:04
Betreff: [Vo]:H2 and O2 bubbles <.15 micrometer burn, damaging electrodes in AC
electrolysis -- could complicate cold fusion devices: Rich Murray 2011.09.28
> H2 and O2 bubbles <.15 mic
On 2011-09-27 12:12, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
What this exactly means, it's still unknown to me.
This is why:
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=262
Defkalion GT group decited to re-open the forum due to expected announcements
within the next weeks. Till then, we appre
On 2011-09-28 20:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello Group,
Have a read at Krivit's latest blog post here:
This is Rossi's rebuttal:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510&cpage=9#comment-83748
WARNING:
THE SNAKE HAS WRITTEN IN HIS BLOG THAT NASA MADE A NOT POSITIVE TEST WITH US.
TH
All bets are off. The catalyst that ignites Rossi's powerful hot reactions
is now well known and proven: KrIvIt.
mic
2011/9/29 Akira Shirakawa
> On 2011-09-28 20:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
>
>> Hello Group,
>>
>> Have a read at Krivit's latest blog post here:
>>
>
> This is Rossi's rebuttal:
>
Hi,
On 29-9-2011 8:27, Horace Heffner wrote:
Looking at the other side of the coin, the probability of catastrophic
failure, suppose there is a 0.1% chance per hour one of the E-cats can
blow up spreading steam throughout the container. There is thus a
0.999 probability of success, i.e. no ex
From: Michele Comitini
> All bets are off. The catalyst that ignites Rossi's powerful
> hot reactions is now well known and proven: KrIvIt.
Really? Good heavens! I missed that little tidbit.
Can you cite references or links that describe Rossi's secret sauce?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Rega
>From MoB:
...
> Looking even a bit more closer again this would mean that if the chance
> of explosion is 0.1% per hour then the chance of explosion is 2,77e-7
> per second at any given moment for a single Ecat, which would result
> for
> 52 Ecats into 1-((2,77e-7)^52) = 0,134 or 0,0014
I found who is the secret customer: Men In Black.
Guys, the dream is over. It’s time to wake up.
From: Michele Comitini
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:21 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
All bets are off. The catalyst that ign
Hi,
Oeps, the commas must be periods so this should of course be red as:
Me thinks you are wrong. Your statistical probability calculation is
based upon the fact that the chance of a single Ecat exploding is
influenced by it's behaviour earlier, which of course is not true.
Statistically each
Rizzi sez:
> Guys, the dream is over. It’s time to wake up.
It's been my experience that the harder I try to convince others as to the
correctness of my opinion, the more obvious it becomes to others as to whom I'm
really trying to convince.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
Rossi wrote:
WE WILL MEASURE THE ENERGY TAKING THE DELTA T OF THE WATER, THE
WATER, THE WATER, NOT OF THE STEAM NOT OF THE STEAM, NOT OF THE
STEAM, THEREFORE THE ISSUE OF THE QUALITY OF THE STEAM HAS ABSOLUTELY
NOT IMPORTANCE, BECAURE WE DO NOT MEASURE THE ENERGY FROM THE STEAM
!!! WE COU
Nevertheless, Rossi continuing to describe Krivit as a "snake" is not
doing himself any favors. IMO, to constantly reveal such an incredibly
raw emotional side of himself to the general public, particularly in
the midst of trying to convince others as to the accuracy of his
controversial scientific
Man on Bridges wrote:
> Statistically each Ecat has it's own independent chance of explosion at any
> given moment which does not change over time.
>
I believe that is incorrect. Boiler explosions are caused by the overall
temperatures and pressures of the machine. When a machine made up of sev
- Original Nachricht
Von: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 29.09.2011 16:21
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)
> Nevertheless, Rossi continuing to describe Krivit as a "snake" is not
> doing himself any favors. IM
On 2011-09-28 20:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello Group,
More from Rossi on NASA:
1) How is it going with the 1MW plant? is it completed?
2) Did you invited people from NASA to the October 6th test?
3) Is NASA the big customer of your first 1MW plant?
Dear Alessandro Casali:
1- It will be
>From Peter:
...
> There seems to (hostile) competition between Piantelli
> group and Rossi. Krivit in his website gives the
> impression to be independent, but his "sponsor" is
> unknown and he seems to prefer the piantelli group
> over others.
You seem to be speculating, and therefore insinuat
There is NO evidence that Rossi's newer generation E-Cats have ever or will
ever explode. Rossi has maintained that in the event that they melt down
that they simply stop producing heat.
If you happen to be on Rossi's invitation to see his 1MW plant, by all means
take whatever precautions you like
>From ecat builder:
> There is NO evidence that Rossi's newer generation
> E-Cats have ever or will ever explode.
The concerns I've seen raised do not necessarily have anything to do
with Rossi's reactor cores - whether they work or don't, or are likely
to "explode". The concerns I've seen raised
Novelity can sometimes appear freakish.
Meet Frank and Louie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zvxZF0dQLs&feature=related
Harry
as well as my spelling.
Harry
From: Harry Veeder
>To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com"
>Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:11:53 PM
>Subject: OT: Novel Cats
>
>
>Novelity can sometimes appear freakish.
>
>Meet Frank and Louie:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zvxZF0dQLs&feature=related
>
>Harry
>
>
>
Am 29.09.2011 17:29, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson:
From Peter:
...
There seems to (hostile) competition between Piantelli
group and Rossi. Krivit in his website gives the
impression to be independent, but his "sponsor" is
unknown and he seems to prefer the piantelli group
over others
ecat builder wrote:
There is NO evidence that Rossi's newer generation E-Cats have ever or will
> ever explode.
Anything that produces steam can explode. Wet coal, for example, is very
dangerous.
> If you happen to be on Rossi's invitation to see his 1MW plant, by all
> means take whatever p
snafu -- from WWII, "Situation normal -- all *ucked up"
>From Peter Heckert & S. V. Johnson
>> When I was still a BoD member for Krivit's NET
>> organization his "sponser(s)", at least during the
>> time when I was still a BoD, seemed pretty independently-
>> minded to me. I could be wrong, but I doubt Krivit's
>> sponsorship [I meant sponser(s)] would
Hi,
On 29-9-2011 16:28, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Man on Bridges mailto:manonbrid...@aim.com>> wrote:
Statistically each Ecat has it's own independent chance of
explosion at any given moment which does not change over time.
I believe that is incorrect. Boiler explosions are caused by the
o
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
The concerns I've seen raised have far more to do with
the delicate management of a whole lot of highly pressurized steam - a
megawatt's worth of steam.
Ladies and gentlemen, please don't try this at home!
Exactly. That is what experts have been telling me
Rich sez:
> snafu -- from WWII, "Situation normal -- all *ucked up"
I should say something snarky like "Thank you so much for expressing
your opinion, Mr. Murray." but the truth of the matter is that I have
endeavored to express my own opinions as well. Therefore I should let
live.
And of course
>
>
>
>
>From: Harry Veeder
>>To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com"
>>Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:14:24 PM
>>Subject: [Vo]:Re: OT: Novel Cats
>>
>>
>>as well as my spelling.
>>Harry
>>
>>
>>From: Harry Veeder
>>>To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com"
>>>Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:11:53 PM
>>>S
Am 29.09.2011 19:12, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson:
From Peter Heckert& S. V. Johnson
When I was still a BoD member for Krivit's NET
organization his "sponser(s)", at least during the
time when I was still a BoD, seemed pretty independently-
minded to me. I could be wrong, but I doubt
Hi,
On 29-9-2011 16:21, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Nevertheless, Rossi continuing to describe Krivit as a "snake" is not
doing himself any favors. IMO, to constantly reveal such an incredibly
raw emotional side of himself to the general public, particularly in
the midst of trying to co
Man on Bridges wrote:
> In 1906, the Wrights knew *far* more about aerodynamics and the physics of
> flight than anyone else in the world. They should have concentrated on what
> they knew best, leaving other details to other experts. It was a waste of
> time for them to work on engines at that
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:32 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
wrote:
> From: Michele Comitini
>
>> All bets are off. The catalyst that ignites Rossi's powerful
>> hot reactions is now well known and proven: KrIvIt.
>
> Really? Good heavens! I missed that little tidbit.
>
> Can you cite refe
Terry seZ:
...
> Krivit is certainly causing a reaction within Rossi. AAMOF, it
> appears to me that AR is on the verge of a meltdown.
>
> Do you notice a hint of desperation in AR's writings of late?
LOL. I completely missed the original joke. ...er the joke is on me.
Regards
Steven Vincent J
Hi,
On 29-9-2011 20:40, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Mr. Krivt also claims he no longer participates in discussion
groups like the Vort Collective. However, I suspect Mr. Krivit has his
helpers who will report anything of interest to him, such as what
occasionally comes out of the Vort C
>From MoB:
...
> This appears to me definitely as a one-sided "news report", which in my
> opinion discredits Krivit as an unbiased objective reporter regarding the
> Rossi saga.
> Or as they say what goes around comes around.
You express one of my concerns.
I refer you to to my previous unsoli
On Sep 29, 2011, at 4:02 AM, Man on Bridges wrote:
Hi,
On 29-9-2011 8:27, Horace Heffner wrote:
Looking at the other side of the coin, the probability of
catastrophic failure, suppose there is a 0.1% chance per hour one
of the E-cats can blow up spreading steam throughout the
container.
The failure of one module of the Rossi 1 MW reactor will not cause the
entire 1 MW reactor to fail. Its performance will only degrade gracefully.
When the core of the module overheats or melts, the surface of the nickel
nanopowder will fail before the nanopowder enclosure will fail since the
enclo
2011/9/29 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson :
> Krivit strikes me as endeavoring to be a very good investigative
> reporter.
I think that problem with Krivit is that he has lost the perspective
to the story. Bubble fusion scandal was completely in different
proportions to that what Rossi is doing, bec
The sentence below: "This is totally consistent with the probability
of failure in one E-cat in one hour being 5%." should read: "This is
totally consistent with the probability of failure of at least one E-
cat (of 52) in one hour being 5%."
On Sep 29, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Horace Heffner wro
Jouni Valkonen wrote:
> And Krivit started vicious ad hominem attacking against Rossi and
> Levi. By for what reason?
>
> What is Krivit's "evidence"? Rossi purposefully showed him a dummy
> E-Cat that does fool no one.
If that is true it should certainly make Krivit upset! It would upset me o
Jouni sez:
...
> And it did not cross into Krivit's mind that perhaps,
> Rossi had some awkward motivation to present him a
> dummy demonstration?
Good grief! You actually wrote that as speculation about Krivit's motivations?
You're obviously not a cynic! ;-)
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www
2011/9/30 Jed Rothwell :
> As I said here before, I cannot think of any reason why Rossi would show a
> dummy eCat if he also has real ones.
> Why bother? What is the point?
I have so many theories about the Rossi's motivation that I have
stopped counting. But perhaps I know how Rossi is thinking
If you look at my text you will see I wrote "catastrophic failure"
not just failure. This means an E-cat blows up spreading steam
throughout the container, injuring anyone present, and preventing
access to the container, causing the test to fail. I think I was
clear on this point. I di
On Sep 28, 2011, at 11:03 PM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
- Original Nachricht
Von: Rich Murray
An: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Datum: 29.09.2011 03:04
Betreff: [Vo]:H2 and O2 bubbles <.15 micrometer burn, damaging
electrodes in AC electrolysis -- could complicate cold fusi
On Sep 29, 2011, at 4:37 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
From MoB:
...
Looking even a bit more closer again this would mean that if the
chance
of explosion is 0.1% per hour then the chance of explosion is 2,77e-7
per second at any given moment for a single Ecat, which would
On Sep 29, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
And Krivit started vicious ad hominem attacking against Rossi and
Levi. By for what reason?
Here the definition of ad hominem seems distorted. Criticizing a
paper or posting or experimental approach is not ad hominem. Calling
someone a
On Sep 29, 2011, at 5:40 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Rossi wrote:
WE WILL MEASURE THE ENERGY TAKING THE DELTA T OF THE WATER, THE
WATER, THE WATER, NOT OF THE STEAM NOT OF THE STEAM, NOT OF THE
STEAM, THEREFORE THE ISSUE OF THE QUALITY OF THE STEAM HAS
ABSOLUTELY NOT IMPORTANCE, BECAURE WE D
To keep Krivit in perspective, about 20 qualified experts contributed
carefully to his >200 page critical report -- so he was hardly the
only one to notice an error being erroneous...
Let's encourage Rossi to see the possibilities of constructively and
humorously sharing how he experienced this
Steven:
I share most of your thoughts on Krivit as well... I've had a fair amount of
interaction w/SK due to reviewing articles and general debates/discussions with
him, and he has always been open-minded about suggestions, and even made some
corrections or taken advice on difficult political/l
Lots of situations on V-L, I don't have or else don't share an opinion:
1 not worth my time
2 too much effort to gather and comprehend enough fractured details
3 can't bother to write up an adequate discussion
4 the issue is polarized, so each side listens to their own chorus
5 maybe a newbie woul
On Sep 29, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Rich Murray wrote:
Lots of situations on V-L, I don't have or else don't share an
opinion:
1 not worth my time
2 too much effort to gather and comprehend enough fractured details
3 can't bother to write up an adequate discussion
4 the issue is polarized, so each
This is beyond the pale.
On Sep 29, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Actually my memory was somewhat clouded by latter blog entries by
Krivit, that were more problematic, arrogant and insulting.
.
I don't know what this is about. I do not read Krivit's blog
regularly. I am sorry to
I wrote: "My intentions are not obviously not malicious. To what end
would that serve?"
That was a typo. It should have read: "My intentions are obviously
not malicious. To what end would that serve?"
Corollary to Murphy's law: "The probability of a typo is proportional
to its importance
These remarks provide an excellent pedagogical example!
Your argument below is an ad hominem attack. The statements:"you
that you are not able for normal social interaction" and "you do not
have ability to understand sarcasm or hostile intentions, if they are
hidden behind formally correct
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