Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread Nigel Dyer
What I think would be a good wake up call would be for someone (the BBC) to do a six part drama that is as historically accurate as it can be that covers the experience of a family on Easter Island as they went through the period when they ran out of natural resources. I think that would be a

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
Few ideas to add... Some cogniticians have noticed the importance of the capacity of curiosity and boredom in learning. Game is important too. the kindergarten teacher gave us a pamphlet about kids education , and it is clearly said the the job of kids is to play. (same for scientists IMHO).

Re: [Vo]:Progress from the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project (Celani replication)

2012-10-09 Thread Teslaalset
Citation from a Dutch patent that could also be applicable to Constantaan: The oxide of the more noble metal may be, in general, by treatment with hydrogen at elevated temperature to some extent be reduced. The oxide of the less noble metal reacts not with hydrogen, even at highly elevated

Re: [Vo]:Progress from the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project (Celani replication)

2012-10-09 Thread Teslaalset
legering = alloy (sorry for the bad machine translation) On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote: Citation from a Dutch patent that could also be applicable to Constantaan: The oxide of the more noble metal may be, in general, by treatment with hydrogen

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: My prediction is that first reusable spacecraft will reach orbit in early 2020's. The first reusable spacecraft achieved orbit on April 12, 1981.

RE: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From: Jouni ... Also the difference between humans and most of the other smart animals, such as elephants, dogs and dolphins is that they lack motivation to develop themselves although here it is only a matter of degree, not qualitative difference such as between animals and

RE: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
I forgot the mention the fact that personalpen.orionworks.com is still under construction. Many of the links don’t work. ...Too little time... too much to do. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
fznidar...@aol.com wrote: The Easter Island society ran out of wood and could not fish. The society died out. They did not die out. They were still there a century or two later when Europeans showed up. Granted, they were in dire straits. They destroyed their own environment, apparently for

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: There will be two options. First is a prefabrication that will come in massive scale that everyone in the face of the Earth will notice it in November 2012. Because Chinese are going to prefabricate and assemble the world's tallest building that

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread Nigel Dyer
I had thought that they destroyed their own environment through overharvesting and overhunting, ie the population was to large to live sustainably. This is not a particualrly religious reason. I had also gathered that the statues etc were an attempt to appease their gods in the hope that the

[Vo]:Evidence V1 Has Left the Sol System

2012-10-09 Thread Terry Blanton
http://blog.chron.com/sciguy/2012/10/more-evidence-that-voyager-has-exited-the-solar-system/ To cross this boundary scientists say they would need to observe three things: 1. An increase in high-energy cosmic rays originating from outside our solar system 2. A drop in charged particles

RE: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread Jarold McWilliams
This economic system has already been developed. It is called socialism, or what some people would call communism. When there is no more need for human labor, it is obvious that governments are going to have to allocate resources. Capitalism obviously won't work. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
I've heard that the story of overcutting trees causing and ecologic is a legend. it seems that too small civilisation collapsed because of a series of dry years,while demography was too high. This is a small isolated island, and a climate bad sequence caused a black swan that swept the

Re: [Vo]:Evidence V1 Has Left the Sol System

2012-10-09 Thread Harry Veeder
...but has Elvis has left the solar system? ;-) harry On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: http://blog.chron.com/sciguy/2012/10/more-evidence-that-voyager-has-exited-the-solar-system/ To cross this boundary scientists say they would need to observe three

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread James Bowery
Socialism has always failed because it merely replaces private sector rent-seeking with public sector rent-seeking. You have to disintermediate the public sector bureaucracy with a citizen's dividend. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.comwrote: This economic

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years - Easter Island

2012-10-09 Thread David L Babcock
On 10/9/2012 11:53 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote: I had thought that they destroyed their own environment through overharvesting and overhunting, ie the population was to large to live sustainably. This is not a particualrly religious reason. I had also gathered that the statues etc were an attempt to

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard that the story of overcutting trees causing and ecologic is a legend. Not according to J. Diamond and other recent books. They cut all the trees to erect the statues. When a wooden British sailing ship arrived decades later, they came

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Assuming in the near future advances in robotics automation will eventually manufacture all of our basic needs; we will be forced to redefine what gives us value and purpose as we go about the business of managing our daily lives. Regardless of whether we consciously realize it or not most of us

Re: [Vo]:OT: Mars Rover Spots Small Bright- Metallic Object

2012-10-09 Thread Patrick Ellul
newer closup image at: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/proj/msl/redops/ods/surface/sol/00062/opgs/edr/ccam/CR0_403005421EDR_F0050104CCAM01062M_.JPG On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Vortex-l, A small nail-like object was spotted near

Re: [Vo]:Evidence V1 Has Left the Sol System

2012-10-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Harry sez: ...but has Elvis has left the solar system? ;-) Well... i dunno about Elvis, but I know where Buddy Holly resides these days: http://www.aliveandwellmovie.com/ Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread Jarold McWilliams
It's a lot better than trying to reform capitalism. Also, you can have robots running the government and allocating resources, so there would be no bureaucracy. Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:18:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years From:

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread MJ
Sorry, would need to wait at least a thousand years for that. On 09-Oct-12 19:44, Jarold McWilliams wrote: It's a lot better than trying to reform capitalism. Also, you can have robots running the government and allocating resources, so there would be no bureaucracy.

[Vo]:Is Mo a typo?

2012-10-09 Thread Jones Beene
http://infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/CelaniDemos.pdf This article indicates molybdenum is in the alloy, instead of manganese. Normally constantan has 1-2% Mn. Is it a typo? The reason this detail could be important relates to Mill's theory but it looks like a typo. attachment: winmail.dat

Re: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment

2012-10-09 Thread Jack Cole
Thanks for all of the ideas Chuck. I will be out of town for a few days, but will give this method a try when I get back. I just got to thinking if I clean the nickels using a torch, it might seal up the tiny cracks in the metal through melting. I can try it both ways. I have set up a

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Jed, I think that Diamond's idea is old, although I do not know what else recent book you did refer. However, Alain refers to Hunt Lipo rat theory, where rats ate the seeds of the native forests. The theory was explained in their 2011 book, The Statues that Walked:

Re: [Vo]:CR39

2012-10-09 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: That may be true according to conventional wisdom, however consider the following possibility. Severely shrunken Hydrino molecules could easily migrate through the interstitial spaces in solid matter, and then undergo fusion reactions

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Jarold, no, it is not called socialism. See my first post in this threat. Socialism is based on public ownership of means of production AND the price regulation. If income is just redistribute via basic income, it does not have an effect of the ownership of means of production and definitely it

Re: [Vo]:CR39

2012-10-09 Thread ChemE Stewart
That's the behavior I believe can happen if this collapsed state of matter, call it what you want, can tunnel through collapse/decay other matter. Best some type of magnetic and/or inertial confinement like Miley has contracted with NASA to do. Maybe suspend it in a reactor, feed it hydrogen

Re: [Vo]:CR39

2012-10-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 9 Oct 2012 20:10:30 -0700: Hi, [snip] On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: That may be true according to conventional wisdom, however consider the following possibility. Severely shrunken Hydrino molecules could easily migrate

Re: [Vo]:CR39

2012-10-09 Thread mixent
In reply to ChemE Stewart's message of Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:18:58 -0400: Hi, [snip] That's the behavior I believe can happen if this collapsed state of matter, call it what you want, can tunnel through collapse/decay other matter. The Hydrino molecule is extremely stable, to the point of being

[Vo]:Compressed air?

2012-10-09 Thread MJ
Copied from another list: Guys not sure if its vortex steam reforming or what, may be fake dont know , its patented, please take a look Patent http://www.google.com/patents/US20110048008?printsec=drawingdq=Gabriel+Ohiochoya+Obadanei=-hJxUKieGIj3igKmnoFo#v=onepageqf=false Device

Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years

2012-10-09 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote: Perhaps if we force agriculture to skyscrapers and deserts, then there is enough room for humans to live comfortably in bungalows. So we turn the idea of city and country side upside down. That in the future humans