legering = alloy (sorry for the bad machine translation)
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Teslaalset <[email protected]> wrote: > Citation from a Dutch patent that could also be applicable to Constantaan: > > "The oxide of the more noble metal may be, in general, by > treatment with hydrogen at elevated temperature to some extent be > reduced. The oxide of the less noble metal reacts > not with hydrogen, even at highly elevated temperatureno > Hydrogen is ais hydrogen atoms contained in the alloy. > As a result, dissociation of gaseous molecular hydrogen requires > for absorption in the Iegering. Now it is possible that during thermal > treating the oxide of the less noble components of the alloy > itself as a three-dimensional oxide of the alloy on the opperviak > whey is separated off and in such a way that the surface of the alloy does not > completely through the oxide is covered. In this case, dissociation of > hydrogen for those parts of the surface where the more noble metal > is present may occur. Migration through the surface layer to the on- > 30 underlying Iegering then leads record (large amounts) > hydrogen. The removal or neutralization of oxides is > to 'activate' indicated." > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:10 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: >> That is certainly an unusual effect if it is active in Celani's device. We >> know that traveling wave tubes work with electrons and electromagnetic waves >> and ocean waves interact with the wind. >> >> The concept of a shock wave allowing some form of energy reinforcement with >> the wire has interesting possibilities. I wonder if the shape of the wave >> front impacting the potential outer tube microphones would reveal if >> something of this nature is occurring? Your concept reminds me of the cone >> shaped pattern of a sonic boom. >> >> I have been thinking that surface features from which the heat impulses >> originate are quite small in dimension and randomly distributed around the >> circumference of the wire. Another concept would be to consider some form >> of mechanical resonant structure that depended upon the cross section area >> of the cylinder for ultrasonic reinforcement. If we allow these ultrasonic >> resonances a whole new family of possibilities emerge. >> >> Dave >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jones Beene <[email protected]> >> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> >> Sent: Mon, Oct 8, 2012 4:11 pm >> Subject: RE: [Vo]:Progress from the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project >> (Celani replication) >> >> One further thought/speculation on this. >> >> I was reading the other day that the “Light Gas Gun” which is a hypersonic >> gun developed by the military, allows compressed hydrogen to produce >> acceleration of about 5-6 km/sec. This is similar to the speed of sound in >> nickel and about 4 times faster than the speed of sound in unpressurized >> hydrogen. >> >> If one has a heated nickel wire in a pressurized H2 gas, and both have the >> same (effective) speed of sound, but the gas in cooled at 90 degrees with a >> radial vector to the outer wall, does this set the stage for some kind of >> coherent wave effect, perhaps a travelling wave providing shock wave pulses >> along the wire? >> >> Given the size of Celani’s reactor, and compared to a resonance wavelength >> of hydrogen, (mentioned below) … hmmm… looks pretty close to 2x wave, no? >> >> IOW there could be a lot going on here, that even Celani did not realize… >> >> ______________________________ >> _______________ >> >> FWIW: The Energetics Paper, recently discussed, shows the >> “burst effect” from ultrasound in much greater emphasis. But we expect it >> there. It is not impossible that ultrasound, or something akin to it, is >> also involved in Celani, even though his experiment is gas phase. >> >> There could be a surface effect on the charged wire - which >> is similar to ultrasound. >> >> Since there was no audible signature from the start >> (apparently) there has been no reason for Celani to look for “inadvertent >> ultrasound”, but … hey… it could be worth a look. >> >> According to Wiki: “Ultrasound devices operate with >> frequencies from 20 kHz up to several gigahertz.” Kinda muddles the >> distinction between RF and ultrasound, no?. >> >> Don’t forget the famous 21 cm line of hydrogen … It would be >> within an ultrasound range, if Wiki is correct. >> >> >> From: David Roberson . >> >> I find it intriguing that Celani's LENR >> output seems to occur in the form of many individual bursts while most of my >> earlier thoughts had been that the material behaved according to some larger >> scaled system. >> >>
