Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-29 Thread Bob Higgins
When you say that "Cold Fusion at 300C would be fine for automobiles ...", you have to take into account the fact that the 300C is the loaded temperature of the system. In RF technology, it is commonly known that to get maximum transfer of power from a real source having a real source impedance (i

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-28 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: Piantelli's measurement of the Ni-H reaction shows prompt charged high > energy protons. > Indeed. As well as "heavy particles" (my vote: alphas) [1]. In saying that little in the way of prompt charged particles has been observed I am close t

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-28 Thread Bob Higgins
Piantelli's measurement of the Ni-H reaction shows prompt charged high energy protons. On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > > It is true that little in the way of prompt charged particles have been > observed in LENR. But that says little about what Rossi may be seeing. > > Eric

RE: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-28 Thread Chris Zell
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/why-is-tax-evasion-so-bad-in-italy/2011/11/25/gIQA4NJ3vN_blog.html Tax evasion is Italy’s favorite sport. Everything has a context. Amazing how often these ‘scientific’ discussions end up going ad hominem.

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield wrote: > Jones, > > You are wrong and libelous in saying Rossi was convicted of fraud. He was > convicted of tax evasion. Well, that seems like a minor error by Jones, not libel. Fraud is not much worse than tax evasion. Now, if Jones had said "murder" that would be libelous. Howev

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-28 Thread Eric Walker
Re the jet engine claim, if Rossi is seeing prompt charged particles, this could have led him to speculate about the possibility of a jet engine. If the Papp engine was real, it is not difficult to imagine that it was powered by having prompt charged particles (e.g., alpha particles) momentarily i

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-28 Thread Roarty, Francis X
real tidal effects where the waterway narrows and whitewater provides a tapestry of different accelerations. Fran From: Frank Znidarsic [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:59 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week The whole thing makes

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-28 Thread a.ashfield
Jones, You are wrong and libelous in saying Rossi was convicted of fraud. He was convicted of tax evasion. Considering how his feedstock was retroactively classified as hazardous, of course he was in financial distress. Will you admit you were TOTALLY wrong and apologize to those you have

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda wrote: > I take Rossi's statement as an indication that they can see openings to >> create a propulsion unit for airplanes. >> > ... > > As I understood, the term "Jet Reactor" seems more to mean a "Brayton > turbine", probably closed cycle like the old nuclear reactor planes. > Al

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-28 Thread Alain Sepeda
2015-12-27 23:45 GMT+01:00 Lennart Thornros : > I take Rossi's statement as an indication that they can see openings to > create a propulsion unit for airplanes. > ... As I understood, the term "Jet Reactor" seems more to mean a "Brayton turbine", probably closed cycle like the old nuclear reacto

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Definition of “whopper” > > 1. something unusually large or otherwise extreme of its kind > > 2. an extravagant or monstrous lie. > > > > Which one applies here? > For most of the things you listed, neither applies. I do not see any reason to doubt that they are wo

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > > Not that high. It is roughly at the level of a fission reactor core, which > is actually a lot cooler and less dense than, say, inside an internal > combustion engine cylinder, or a gas turbine. The temperature of a fission > reactor pellet is around 300 deg C. > Cold fusion at 300 d

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lennart Thornros wrote: > I might have missed something but I thought LENR has high energy density. > Not that high. It is roughly at the level of a fission reactor core, which is actually a lot cooler and less dense than, say, inside an internal combustion engine cylinder, or a gas turbine. Th

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-27 Thread a.ashfield
Bob Cook, There is no doubt about the meaning when the title of the post is Whopper of the Week. I wish Vortex didn't shuffle the order of the posts. My post about the third one originally.

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-27 Thread Lennart Thornros
Jones, I agree about your statement about supporting LENR. I do think that just now Rossi is the best shoot we have. Worship is not involved. Neither does an opinion (or lack thereof) imply anything about the quality of others in this group or outside. I do disagree that LENR will will be regarded

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-27 Thread Lennart Thornros
-Jed, You said ; ​'​ It is implausible at this stage because jet engines require extremely high temperatures and power density ​' ​ I might have missed something but I thought LENR has high energy density. How to get high pressure is an engineering issue if I understand right. I take Rossi's state

RE: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-27 Thread Jones Beene
Definition of “whopper” 1. something unusually large or otherwise extreme of its kind 2. an extravagant or monstrous lie. Which one applies here? Let me make one thing clear. LENR (the field of inquiry) is … or should be what we seek to support – not a controversial inventor

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lennart Thornros wrote: > If he can produce electricity why is a jet engine implausible? > It is implausible at this stage because jet engines require extremely high temperatures and power density -- much more than any other application. It take 10 or 20 years to develop a new jet engine, comp

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-27 Thread Bob Cook
of the Week Whopper of the Week 1) 140 patents in progress 2) Direct electricity or heat – either one or both 3) Jet engine application 4) Fully Robotic factory to make fuel wafers 5) Reactor hotter on outside than inside 6) No fuel module replaced in last 300 days

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-27 Thread a.ashfield
Jones, See my post below yours Direct power from E-Cat X for a hint of how electricity might be gathered. Rossi is careful not to claim too much as it is obviously early days. I don't know why you are quite so scathing in what

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-27 Thread Lennart Thornros
I think those claims are what we have been waiting for. (some of you guys actively for 25 years). It cannot be right to say it is not serious. I agree that there is no proof before it is in the market or scientifically explained / tested. However, you must not disbelieve a final and good outcome. I

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
I gather this is with regard to Rossi's claims. I do not take his claims seriously. I think they are more stream-of-consciousness than lies. Jones Beene wrote: > Whopper of the Week > > 1) 140 patents in progress > How do you know this is not true? There is a lot of money behind Rossi. "In

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-27 Thread Frank Znidarsic
The whole thing makes sense if you take black hole physics, Casimir cavities, and shrunken atoms into account. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Dec 27, 2015 12:54 pm Subject: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week Whopper of the Week 1) 140 patents in progress 2

[Vo]:Whopper of the Week

2015-12-27 Thread Jones Beene
Whopper of the Week 1) 140 patents in progress 2) Direct electricity or heat - either one or both 3) Jet engine application 4) Fully Robotic factory to make fuel wafers 5) Reactor hotter on outside than inside 6) No fuel module replaced in last 300 days Please add yo