Re: [Vo]:A wiki for compiling Rossi's hints
On 19-4-2011 2:47, Jed Rothwell wrote: Regarding the choice of Wikis, I have no opinion. I will be happy to help anyone's Wiki . . . except one connected to Wikipedia. - Jed Hi, I've to agree with Jed, as it seems that unfortunately Wikipedia is growing towards like the other hyped stuff such as Twitter, Facebook etc. focused to much on dealing with presenting egos and their views. I've noticed this already in wikipedias in several languages (e.g. English, German, Dutch)! On the other hand Wikipedia contradicts itself in differing languages about simple facts as composition of for instance composition of food-sources (e.g. grains) or details about elements in the periodic system, which you would think is everywhere the same on Earth, but the data in the tables sometimes tell a total different story, as if you were looking into data related to two totally different planets! I.s.o. of the Ego-over-moderation that now takes place Wikipedia should focus a lot more on consistency and correctness of actual verifiable data presented. This is usually called Quality Assurance and Configuration Management; which is a professional expertise that many Wikipedia-moderators completely seem to lack. Kind regards, MoB
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http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_A._Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Generator:Rossi's_Hints
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http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_A._Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Generator:Rossi's_Hints To everyone who worked on creating this Wiki Rossi Hints directory. THANKS A BUNCH! I would think it should be fairly easy to update it. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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sorry charles, didn't mean to offend you... but yes flash is required for that system. my apologies to your iPhone ;) On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 00:12, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: Flash is required?! Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 17, 2011, at 17:36, .:.gotjosh ene...@begreen.nu wrote: I have begun to author a webspace at ahead.com: http://ahead.com/begreencc/ecatrossi it is a bit more visual and zoomable than a wiki... although not as searchable for the purely textual components... please contact me if you would like to collaborate / contribute... On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 23:21, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: I'll look into setting up a wiki, which will be more convenient than passing around a word document.
Re: [Vo]:A wiki for compiling Rossi's hints
Ok that's the sort of possible issue I was referring to in terms of their policies being acceptable. I have a domain already and can have a mediawiki set up there probably this weekend, if others share your concerns. If you would prefer to do it, or can get it up faster, feel free. Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 18, 2011, at 17:20, Angela Kemmler angela.kemm...@gmx.de wrote: citation: BTW, is this not a good place to set one up at? http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_Rossi's_Cold_Fusion_Energy_Catalyzer_(E-Cat):_Frequently_Asked_Questions No. I remember very well that the company Pure Energy Systems Network Incorporated (PESN) was involved in the Perendev-scandal. PESN-owner Allan even was the owner of the swindle company Perendev internet domain (perendev.com). He worked together with Maserati-owner Mike Brady who sold not existing self-running electromagnetic generators he never delivered. But he got money (1.4 million US Dollars) in advance from around 60 customers and was sentenced here in Germany to five years and nine month in prison (fraud). I remember the case very well. PESN has clearly commercial interests, and our discussions of the Rossi-principle have nothing to do with business. Further, they (PESN) talk on their webpages about so called scalar waves, consipracy theories and other pseudoscience: ...We seek to bring knowledge of suppressed technologies into more conventional arenas ... Nobody supresses Rossi, even the italian television RAI3 talked about him, there are three Wikipedia articles about the Ecat and the university of Uppsala will perhaps test his device later this week. *** I installed sucessfully three times the Wikimedia software, that wikipedia uses. It takes about one or two hours to install it and it is free. And a domain costs here in Germany about 50 ct / month, in the USA perhaps even less. So, it seems for me to be the better choice than a ads-encircled environment like a PESN - page. There is enough ads in the internet ! Angela -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:A wiki for compiling Rossi's hints
I understand your need to refer to every single thing that Sterling Allan has done over the years. Yes, pushing Mylow was a mistake. Yes, I'd be happy if he never mentioned biblecodes, MIB or conspiracy theories. He sometimes does that, so I switch to the next article. I only really follow PESN/PESWiki when it's related to something I'm interested in. Just like some of you completely zone out when some people post on Vortex-List. However, PESWiki is not edited only by Sterling Allan, and in the case of Rossi's Answers to PESWiki, and the worthwhileness of it, should instead be judged by the content on Andrea Rossi that is already available on PESWiki. In this case I'd refer to the E-CAT FAQ, which has been compiled by Hank Mills. http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_Rossi's_Cold_Fusion_Energy_Catalyzer_(E-Cat):_Frequently_Asked_Questions So the question I pose is this: Is this woo-woo and completely nutty, unreasonable and laughable? We can all sit around pointing fingers at everyone, until the FE community is a bunch of couchpotatoes who would all like to start their own stuff, because Jerry Decker did this and John Bedini said that and I don't like Tom Bearden's moustache and Sterling Allan goes off about earthchanges and so on, but that's just a handy way of paralyzing ourselves. If nothing else, by merit of having the E-CAT FAQ, it'd be decent for PESWiki to at least have a mirror of the Rossi Answers, as it's useful data. Let's see how long it takes for anyone else to set up a wiki accessible by non-flash communication devices. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:20 AM, Angela Kemmler angela.kemm...@gmx.dewrote: citation: BTW, is this not a good place to set one up at? http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_Rossi's_Cold_Fusion_Energy_Catalyzer_(E-Cat):_Frequently_Asked_Questions PESN has clearly commercial interests, and our discussions of the Rossi-principle have nothing to do with business. Further, they (PESN) talk on their webpages about so called scalar waves, consipracy theories and other pseudoscience: ...We seek to bring knowledge of suppressed technologies into more conventional arenas ... Nobody supresses Rossi, even the italian television RAI3 talked about him, there are three Wikipedia articles about the Ecat and the university of Uppsala will perhaps test his device later this week. *** I installed sucessfully three times the Wikimedia software, that wikipedia uses. It takes about one or two hours to install it and it is free. And a domain costs here in Germany about 50 ct / month, in the USA perhaps even less. So, it seems for me to be the better choice than a ads-encircled environment like a PESN - page. There is enough ads in the internet ! Angela -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
Re: [Vo]:A wiki for compiling Rossi's hints
Angela Kemmler angela.kemm...@gmx.de wrote: Nobody supresses Rossi, even the italian television RAI3 talked about him, there are three Wikipedia articles about the Ecat and the university of Uppsala will perhaps test his device later this week. Later this week? That soon? That's great! Where was that reported? Rossi knows how to move quickly. I like that about him. Regarding the choice of Wikis, I have no opinion. I will be happy to help anyone's Wiki . . . except one connected to Wikipedia. - Jed
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Let's just put it everywhere. If someone on VO-list sets up a wiki, it could be there, in addition to elsewhere. The more mirrors, the better. I'm sure http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/ would jump at a chance to post that compilation of Rossi's answers all over the place. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Angela Kemmler angela.kemm...@gmx.de wrote: Nobody supresses Rossi, even the italian television RAI3 talked about him, there are three Wikipedia articles about the Ecat and the university of Uppsala will perhaps test his device later this week. Later this week? That soon? That's great! Where was that reported? Rossi knows how to move quickly. I like that about him. Regarding the choice of Wikis, I have no opinion. I will be happy to help anyone's Wiki . . . except one connected to Wikipedia. - Jed
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Jed sez: Nobody supresses Rossi, even the italian television RAI3 talked about him, there are three Wikipedia articles about the Ecat and the university of Uppsala will perhaps test his device later this week. Later this week? That soon? That's great! Where was that reported? University of Uppsala, Sweden Http://www.uu.se/en/ Dept. of Physics and Astronomy: http://katalog.uu.se/orgInfo/?orgId=X208 Rossi knows how to move quickly. I like that about him. Regarding the choice of Wikis, I have no opinion. I will be happy to help anyone's Wiki . . . except one connected to Wikipedia. Bad blood there, eh, Jed? ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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what happened to the alternapedia project? Harry [Vo]:ALTERNAPEDIA, alt-science friendly 'pedia service William Beaty Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:58:33 -0700 (see also preceding message) From: Pierre Carbonnelle Together with Bill Beaty, I'm pleased to introduce Alternapedia to the Vortex community. It can be reached at http://en.alternapedia.org/ What is Alternapedia ? Alternapedia is the collaborative project that brings all points of view together. Unlike Wikipedia, it provides valuable information on all sides of controversies, with equal weight, so that its readers can form their own opinions. Alternapedia's policies and guidelines can be summarized as follows: 1. Anyone can contribute to Alternapedia. The user interface is kept as simple as possible. Editing an article does not require the knowledge of special formatting codes. 2. Alternapedia welcomes all points of view. You can contribute new points of view in personal, authored articles, and present published points of view in collaborative articles.3. Alternapedia is an archive of authored articles, written by one or more authors to present new research or opinion. They must relate to a controversy, and meet certain quality requirements. They are subject to a peer-review process by named administrators. Authors can protect their articles from other editors, and submit their work while retaining the copyright.4. Collaborative articles are written collaboratively to include all points of view in a controversy, based on the best sources available. Complex controversies are divided up in two-sided sub-controversies, so that each opposite view can be presented side by side, with equal weight. Collaborative articles are available under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL).5. Alternapedia has a code of conduct. Respect your fellow editors even when you may not agree with them. Be civil, open and welcoming. Find consensus, avoid edit wars. Disruptive editors will be restricted to editing only one side of the controversy, or blocked from any editing. The policies will be refined over time to help us reach our stated goal efficiently. How to use it --- The Vortex community is welcome to use it to communicate internally and to the wider public. In particular, feel free to use it to: - publish personal ideas, and solicit comments from peers - clarify issues by presenting both sides of controversies in collaborative articles. For example, Alternapedia could be used to clarify the He4 issue that has divided the cold fusion community recently. Click here to see how to get started: http://en.alternapedia.org/wiki/Help:Getting_started Next Steps - After Alternapedia's introduction to the Cold fusion and Vortex community, we plan to further promote the site via announcements in online magazines such as The Register. Your help is welcome in making it known ! We would be delighted if you could link to Alternapedia from your website (if you have one). We welcome your comments, and remain at your disposal for any questions regarding this project. - Pierre Carbonnelle, Steve Krivit, Martinphi, Ron Marshall, Mark Iverson, Bill Beaty
Re: [Vo]:A wiki for compiling Rossi's hints
Hear hear! On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: I'll look into setting up a wiki, which will be more convenient than passing around a word document. Sent from my iPhone.
Re: [Vo]:A wiki for compiling Rossi's hints
BTW, is this not a good place to set one up at? http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_Rossi's_Cold_Fusion_Energy_Catalyzer_(E-Cat):_Frequently_Asked_Questions On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: Hear hear! On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: I'll look into setting up a wiki, which will be more convenient than passing around a word document. Sent from my iPhone.
Re: [Vo]:A wiki for compiling Rossi's hints
I have begun to author a webspace at ahead.com: http://ahead.com/begreencc/ecatrossi it is a bit more visual and zoomable than a wiki... although not as searchable for the purely textual components... please contact me if you would like to collaborate / contribute... On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 23:21, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: I'll look into setting up a wiki, which will be more convenient than passing around a word document.
Re: [Vo]:A wiki for compiling Rossi's hints
Flash is required?! Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 17, 2011, at 17:36, .:.gotjosh ene...@begreen.nu wrote: I have begun to author a webspace at ahead.com: http://ahead.com/begreencc/ecatrossi it is a bit more visual and zoomable than a wiki... although not as searchable for the purely textual components... please contact me if you would like to collaborate / contribute... On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 23:21, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: I'll look into setting up a wiki, which will be more convenient than passing around a word document.
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If everyone wants to start keeping our list there, on a new page, that would be great. If there is no concern about their policies, I suggest it. Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 17, 2011, at 17:35, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, is this not a good place to set one up at? http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_Rossi's_Cold_Fusion_Energy_Catalyzer_(E-Cat):_Frequently_Asked_Questions On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: Hear hear! On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: I'll look into setting up a wiki, which will be more convenient than passing around a word document. Sent from my iPhone.
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http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_A._Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Generator:Rossi%27s_Hints If anyone wants to send me the current state of the current article via email, I'll just post it there and let's get a move on. It surely is at least a good idea to have it related to the already-existing FAQ on PESWiki. On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:18 AM, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.comwrote: If everyone wants to start keeping our list there, on a new page, that would be great. If there is no concern about their policies, I suggest it. Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 17, 2011, at 17:35, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, is this not a good place to set one up at? http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_Rossi%27s_Cold_Fusion_Energy_Catalyzer_%28E-Cat%29:_Frequently_Asked_Questions http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_Rossi's_Cold_Fusion_Energy_Catalyzer_(E-Cat):_Frequently_Asked_Questions On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com esaru...@gmail.com wrote: Hear hear! On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: I'll look into setting up a wiki, which will be more convenient than passing around a word document. Sent from my iPhone.
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I think the wiki needs a REALLY BIG BANNER at the top explaining that nickel powder is toxic and hydrogen gas is highly combustible... -Mark _ From: Esa Ruoho [mailto:esaru...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 3:35 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A wiki for compiling Rossi's hints http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_A._Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Generator:Rossi%27s_Hints If anyone wants to send me the current state of the current article via email, I'll just post it there and let's get a move on. It surely is at least a good idea to have it related to the already-existing FAQ on PESWiki. On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:18 AM, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: If everyone wants to start keeping our list there, on a new page, that would be great. If there is no concern about their policies, I suggest it. Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 17, 2011, at 17:35, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, is this not a good place to set one up at? http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_Rossi%27s_Cold_Fusion_Energy_Catalyzer_%28E-Cat%2 9:_Frequently_Asked_Questions http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_Rossi's_Cold_Fusion_Energy_Catalyzer_(E-Cat):_Freq uently_Asked_Questions http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_Rossi%27s_Cold_Fusion_Energy_Catalyzer_%28E-Cat%2 9:_Frequently_Asked_Questions On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Esa Ruoho mailto:esaru...@gmail.com esaru...@gmail.com wrote: Hear hear! On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Charles Hope mailto:lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: I'll look into setting up a wiki, which will be more convenient than passing around a word document. Sent from my iPhone.
