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Getting pad for the EVR test was still possible at that juncture and Rossi might not have wanted to say anything that would discourage that payment, On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 12:32 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > A few days seem like an eternity. Anyone remember this statement

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A few days seem like an eternity. Anyone remember this statement from Rossi in early March? Velda Funderburke March 11, 2016 at 6:17 AM Dr Andrea Rossi: After the press release of Tom Darden the usual imbeciles are talking of divorce between IH and Leonardo Corporation: can you comment on this

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Steven Kirvit reports. Steven was in this early and went to see Rossi in Europe. http://news.newenergytimes.net/2016/04/08/industrial-heat-says-goodbye-to-rossi/#more-43319 Frank

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So, according to Rossi, IH has everything. All the know-how necessary to build a reactor. I hope this is true and the Chinese use the invention in the most pervasive way! 2016-04-08 23:23 GMT-03:00 Axil Axil : > Rossi is pissed because his IP was given to competitors. > >

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Rossi is pissed because his IP was given to competitors. Andrea Rossi April 7, 2016 at 8:32 PM Hank Mills: They prepared everything, the charges, the body of the reactor EVERYTHING !!!. I just teached to them what to do. They

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The Lugano reactor was IH tech. This marginal system is what IH is concerned about. They need Rossi's new systems. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 9:47 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bob Higgins > wrote: > > As I have

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Nothing to disagree with there. I think there is something fishy going on, like the MW reactor supplying heat 24/7, but Rossi is choosing to pick the best 8 hours of the day to calculate his reactor's performance. With that kind of thinking (and I am just speculating), a set of rechargeable

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On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: As I have previously pointed out, Clarke's analysis is flawed in terms of > COP analysis - perhaps as badly as the analysis by the Lugano researchers. > Failure to recognize and account for the transmitted radiation

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From: Bob Higgins Don't get me wrong, Tom Clarke did good forensic research and wrote a good paper. In Clarke's comment about the translucency, he states: "This error is impossible to quantify because it depends on the heater wire emissivity, temperature, and surface coverage, all of which

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I do not accept this analysis as definitive. Please note the very rapid change in measured temperature of the Lugano reactor that occurs with a small change in input drive power. How would you explain that as a function of the material? Do you believe that the material changes properties

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The Lugano test was a demonstration of IH technology that was in place as of a few months ago. Rossi supported the test but had nothing to do with it or had any stake in that test succeeding. The state of IH LENR tech as show by Lugano was poor even if Rossi told IH how to produce the fuel. The

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Don't get me wrong, Tom Clarke did good forensic research and wrote a good paper. In Clarke's comment about the translucency, he states: "This error is impossible to quantify because it depends on the heater wire emissivity, temperature, and surface coverage, all of which are unknown." I agree,

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Bob, Your point about the transmitted radiation is answered by Clarke’s final quoted observation, which I included. Since transmitted radiation would be greater with greater input power -- if it were to be relevant -- we can judge its relevance by looking at differential COP. Since the

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A large blob of melted nickel that was pealed out of the Lugano reactor speaks louder than any thermocouple. The core of the Lugano reactor got beyond 1455C no matter what the external temperature reading showed or how those measurements were made. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Jones Beene

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Jones, As I have previously pointed out, Clarke's analysis is flawed in terms of COP analysis - perhaps as badly as the analysis by the Lugano researchers. Failure to recognize and account for the transmitted radiation through the outer envelope is a BIG error. Insufficient data was taken and/or

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Jones Beene wrote: > If anyone is still operating under the illusion that there was valid > thermal > gain at Lugano, please re-educate yourself via the authoritative work of > Thomas Clarke. > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1c8DgA3A7ovRVhQcHBweTVNbjg/view?pref=2 >

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If anyone is still operating under the illusion that there was valid thermal gain at Lugano, please re-educate yourself via the authoritative work of Thomas Clarke. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1c8DgA3A7ovRVhQcHBweTVNbjg/view?pref=2 =1 The conclusion: The analysis here shows that the

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From: Robert Dorr I stand corrected. Rossi said, just today, that I.H built the E-Cat for the Lugano test and that they even signed it. But the Lugano reactor did not produce significant excess heat, after the measurement errors were accounted for, so the Lugano fiasco reaffirms the

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I stand corrected. Rossi said, just today, that I.H built the E-Cat for the Lugano test and that they even signed it. Robert Dorr WA7ZQR On 4/7/2016 7:11 PM, Robert Dorr wrote: You will notice it says that Rossi and I.H. provided an E-Cat for "a" test measurement (I read as a singular

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Rossi: " I have to comment the press release of IH, being a press release and not a forensic act. They made the Lugano reactor ( they also signed it ) they made many replications of which we have due record and witnesses, they made multiple patent applications ( without my authotization )

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On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Craig Haynie wrote: Isn't it also true that one of their observers has been making positive > remarks during the past year, as well? > Fulvio Fabiani was one of the two people engaged by IH to keep tabs on the test. But he's basically a

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You will notice it says that Rossi and I.H. provided an E-Cat for "a" test measurement (I read as a singular measurment) not necessarily for the Lugano Test. Possibly to verify any ionizing radiation. So many possible ways to read all of this rapidly developing information. Robert Dorr

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. From: Craig Haynie [mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 6:50 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor SuesIndustrial Heat, LLC. On 04/07/2016 09:36 PM, Jones Beene wrote: From: Craig Haynie

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Robert Dorr wrote: > I keep seeing that supposedly I.H. was the one that built the e-cat used > in the Lugano test. As far as I can see that is completely untrue. > I.H. is mentioned in the Lugano paper three times: In the course of the year following the previous tests,

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On 04/07/2016 09:36 PM, Jones Beene wrote: *From:*Craig Haynie ØThey also paid Rossi $10 million dollars, after validating that the device was working… Not exactly. The logical error is cause and effect. Yes, they paid the installment, but elsewhere they clearly state that "Industrial

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From: Craig Haynie Ø They also paid Rossi $10 million dollars, after validating that the device was working… Not exactly. The logical error is cause and effect. Yes, they paid the installment, but elsewhere they clearly state that "Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to

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On 04/07/2016 08:19 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: But now that IH said they could not get Rossi to prove anything, Rossi shouldn't have got anything. And note that the claim that the experiment prove anything came from Rossi's side. So, we are concluding that he got 10 million based on what "Rossi

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But now that IH said they could not get Rossi to prove anything, Rossi shouldn't have got anything. And note that the claim that the experiment prove anything came from Rossi's side. So, we are concluding that he got 10 million based on what "Rossi said". 2016-04-07 21:03 GMT-03:00 Craig Haynie

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On 04/07/2016 08:00 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Isnt the 10 million on an escrow account? As far as I understood, IH even bought a unit before completing the reactor. The $10 million was on escrow at the beginning, until IH validated that the machine was working, and producing at least 6 COP.

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Isnt the 10 million on an escrow account? As far as I understood, IH even bought a unit before completing the reactor. 2016-04-07 20:57 GMT-03:00 Craig Haynie : > You're right. I have made two mistakes in two days. Something's wrong. I'm > just not concentrating on what

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You're right. I have made two mistakes in two days. Something's wrong. I'm just not concentrating on what I'm writing. :) Craig On 04/07/2016 07:54 PM, Robert Dorr wrote: It wasn't a month long test, it was a 24 hour test performed in Ferrara Italy. I keep seeing that supposedly I.H. was

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It wasn't a month long test, it was a 24 hour test performed in Ferrara Italy. I keep seeing that supposedly I.H. was the one that built the e-cat used in the Lugano test. As far as I can see that is completely untrue. Robert Dorr WA7ZQR At 03:55 PM 4/7/2016, you wrote: They also paid

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They also paid Rossi $10 million dollars after validating that the device was working for a month. Craig On 04/07/2016 06:54 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: "Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the results claimed by Mr. Rossi from the E-Cat technology – all without

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This is the link: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/industrial-heat-statement-on-meritless-litigation-from-leonardo-corporation-and-andrea-rossi-300248066.html 2016-04-07 19:54 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha : > "Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to

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"Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the results claimed by Mr. Rossi from the E-Cat technology – all without success". It seems imply that Rossi did not generate any extra heat. I don't think they they'd say "without success" if any COP>1 was found, since the claim