Re: Data use.

[Daniel Kerr]

Ayes,…that’s another one too.
iCloud Photo Library (and or My Photo Stream). and iCloud Drive - Desktop and 
Documents.

On computer it’s System Preferences - iCloud. Look under options for Photos and 
options for iCloud Drive. Check the above things aren’t ticked (especially 
iCloud Photo Library and Desktop and Documents in the Cloud).
And on iPhone it’s Settings - iCloud. Check in Photos and check in iCloud Drive 
for items as well.

The other one can also be Dropbox or similar programs that “sync” to the 
internet. Basically, anything that a) tries to update itself or b) syncs with 
an online service.

Kind regards
Daniel

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> On 18 Apr 2018, at 9:33 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> Or. 
> Do you use iCloud for storing your photos? It may be uploading or downloading 
> to obey your settings. 
> 
> Tim
> 
> Sent from Tim's iPhone
> 
>> On 18 Apr 2018, at 8:28 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello fellow members. 
>> I am having serious problems with Data use on my Computer( Telstra)I am 
>> using 1GB of Data approx’ every 10 15 minutes. It’s Telstra’s top up system 
>> when the normal data has run out. But it can cost up to $110. in 2 Hours, 
>> with only the Computer on, I have tried talking to Telstra ( India) and last 
>> night the Phillipines, not to bad, but no idea on what’s burning our data, 
>> it’s like we’re supplying the street with our wireless. Any ideas if it’s 
>> something we may have open on the Computer? We are doing nothing different 
>> than at any other time. 
>> Thanks Guy’s just thought I’d ask the question. Next stop the Ombudsman. 
>> Telstra Shops only handle Customer Plans and Sales, not Billing or Data 
>> problems. 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> Tony
>> Boddington.
>> 
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Re: Data use.

[Tim Law]

Or. 
Do you use iCloud for storing your photos? It may be uploading or downloading 
to obey your settings. 

Tim

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> On 18 Apr 2018, at 8:28 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  wrote:
> 
> Hello fellow members. 
> I am having serious problems with Data use on my Computer( Telstra)I am using 
> 1GB of Data approx’ every 10 15 minutes. It’s Telstra’s top up system when 
> the normal data has run out. But it can cost up to $110. in 2 Hours, with 
> only the Computer on, I have tried talking to Telstra ( India) and last night 
> the Phillipines, not to bad, but no idea on what’s burning our data, it’s 
> like we’re supplying the street with our wireless. Any ideas if it’s 
> something we may have open on the Computer? We are doing nothing different 
> than at any other time. 
> Thanks Guy’s just thought I’d ask the question. Next stop the Ombudsman. 
> Telstra Shops only handle Customer Plans and Sales, not Billing or Data 
> problems. 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Tony
> Boddington.
> 
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Re: Data use.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis]

Thanks Tim, I’ll check everything with the advice from Daniel and yourself, 
many thanks.
Tony

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> On 18 Apr 2018, at 21:16, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tony
> 
> Do you have any other devices/computers using the internet?
> Try turning all the computers and devices off, then see if in that same time 
> period (e.g. 30mins) if any usage is still being used. This will help narrow 
> it down a little bit. If there is no usage when nothing is on, then one would 
> assume it has to be being used by your devices.
> Then just have one computer or device on, and see if the usage still 
> increases. This helps narrow down where it may be used from.
> 
> One thing to check is System Preferences - App Store. Having it 
> “Automatically check for updates” is OK. But I tend to untick “Download newly 
> available updates in the background” or anything that says it’s going to auto 
> download and auto install. I do all those manually.
> 
> The iPhone will also do the same thing.
> Settings - iTunes and App Store. Automatic Updates etc. (You can also check 
> “Use Mobile Data” isn’t ticked at the same time as well - won’t affect this 
> issue, but just incase).
> Some Apps on devices can also use data. You can see these in Settings - 
> General - Backup App Refresh. You can turn the whole thing off, ,or turn it 
> off per App.
> 
> They’re a few places to start, and turn off to help narrow it down.
> 
> On the Mac, you can also see if you’re using Network usage from Applications 
> - Utilities. Open Activity Monitor. Click on Network, and you’ll see how much 
> data is being sent and received. If it’s hugely spiking, then you can see 
> it’s all coming from the computer.
> So it’s a matter of just going through everything and truely to narrow it 
> down / rule out what it may be, or which device is using it.
> 
> Hope that start helps.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7
> 
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> 
>> On 18 Apr 2018, at 8:28 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello fellow members. 
>> I am having serious problems with Data use on my Computer( Telstra)I am 
>> using 1GB of Data approx’ every 10 15 minutes. It’s Telstra’s top up system 
>> when the normal data has run out. But it can cost up to $110. in 2 Hours, 
>> with only the Computer on, I have tried talking to Telstra ( India) and last 
>> night the Phillipines, not to bad, but no idea on what’s burning our data, 
>> it’s like we’re supplying the street with our wireless. Any ideas if it’s 
>> something we may have open on the Computer? We are doing nothing different 
>> than at any other time. 
>> Thanks Guy’s just thought I’d ask the question. Next stop the Ombudsman. 
>> Telstra Shops only handle Customer Plans and Sales, not Billing or Data 
>> problems. 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> Tony
>> Boddington.
>> 
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Re: Data use.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis]

Thank you Daniel, I tried turning off everything, all good, as soon as I turned 
on the Computer to check e-mails the loss of data started, so I’ll follow your 
advice Daniel and see if that helps, many thanks.

Tony

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> On 18 Apr 2018, at 21:16, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tony
> 
> Do you have any other devices/computers using the internet?
> Try turning all the computers and devices off, then see if in that same time 
> period (e.g. 30mins) if any usage is still being used. This will help narrow 
> it down a little bit. If there is no usage when nothing is on, then one would 
> assume it has to be being used by your devices.
> Then just have one computer or device on, and see if the usage still 
> increases. This helps narrow down where it may be used from.
> 
> One thing to check is System Preferences - App Store. Having it 
> “Automatically check for updates” is OK. But I tend to untick “Download newly 
> available updates in the background” or anything that says it’s going to auto 
> download and auto install. I do all those manually.
> 
> The iPhone will also do the same thing.
> Settings - iTunes and App Store. Automatic Updates etc. (You can also check 
> “Use Mobile Data” isn’t ticked at the same time as well - won’t affect this 
> issue, but just incase).
> Some Apps on devices can also use data. You can see these in Settings - 
> General - Backup App Refresh. You can turn the whole thing off, ,or turn it 
> off per App.
> 
> They’re a few places to start, and turn off to help narrow it down.
> 
> On the Mac, you can also see if you’re using Network usage from Applications 
> - Utilities. Open Activity Monitor. Click on Network, and you’ll see how much 
> data is being sent and received. If it’s hugely spiking, then you can see 
> it’s all coming from the computer.
> So it’s a matter of just going through everything and truely to narrow it 
> down / rule out what it may be, or which device is using it.
> 
> Hope that start helps.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7
> 
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> 
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> 
>> On 18 Apr 2018, at 8:28 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello fellow members. 
>> I am having serious problems with Data use on my Computer( Telstra)I am 
>> using 1GB of Data approx’ every 10 15 minutes. It’s Telstra’s top up system 
>> when the normal data has run out. But it can cost up to $110. in 2 Hours, 
>> with only the Computer on, I have tried talking to Telstra ( India) and last 
>> night the Phillipines, not to bad, but no idea on what’s burning our data, 
>> it’s like we’re supplying the street with our wireless. Any ideas if it’s 
>> something we may have open on the Computer? We are doing nothing different 
>> than at any other time. 
>> Thanks Guy’s just thought I’d ask the question. Next stop the Ombudsman. 
>> Telstra Shops only handle Customer Plans and Sales, not Billing or Data 
>> problems. 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> Tony
>> Boddington.
>> 
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Re: Data use.

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Tony

Do you have any other devices/computers using the internet?
Try turning all the computers and devices off, then see if in that same time 
period (e.g. 30mins) if any usage is still being used. This will help narrow it 
down a little bit. If there is no usage when nothing is on, then one would 
assume it has to be being used by your devices.
Then just have one computer or device on, and see if the usage still increases. 
This helps narrow down where it may be used from.

One thing to check is System Preferences - App Store. Having it “Automatically 
check for updates” is OK. But I tend to untick “Download newly available 
updates in the background” or anything that says it’s going to auto download 
and auto install. I do all those manually.

The iPhone will also do the same thing.
Settings - iTunes and App Store. Automatic Updates etc. (You can also check 
“Use Mobile Data” isn’t ticked at the same time as well - won’t affect this 
issue, but just incase).
Some Apps on devices can also use data. You can see these in Settings - General 
- Backup App Refresh. You can turn the whole thing off, ,or turn it off per App.

They’re a few places to start, and turn off to help narrow it down.

On the Mac, you can also see if you’re using Network usage from Applications - 
Utilities. Open Activity Monitor. Click on Network, and you’ll see how much 
data is being sent and received. If it’s hugely spiking, then you can see it’s 
all coming from the computer.
So it’s a matter of just going through everything and truely to narrow it down 
/ rule out what it may be, or which device is using it.

Hope that start helps.

Kind regards
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone 7

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> On 18 Apr 2018, at 8:28 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  wrote:
> 
> Hello fellow members. 
> I am having serious problems with Data use on my Computer( Telstra)I am using 
> 1GB of Data approx’ every 10 15 minutes. It’s Telstra’s top up system when 
> the normal data has run out. But it can cost up to $110. in 2 Hours, with 
> only the Computer on, I have tried talking to Telstra ( India) and last night 
> the Phillipines, not to bad, but no idea on what’s burning our data, it’s 
> like we’re supplying the street with our wireless. Any ideas if it’s 
> something we may have open on the Computer? We are doing nothing different 
> than at any other time. 
> Thanks Guy’s just thought I’d ask the question. Next stop the Ombudsman. 
> Telstra Shops only handle Customer Plans and Sales, not Billing or Data 
> problems. 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Tony
> Boddington.
> 
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Re: Data use.

[Tim Law]

Your computer might be downloading an update before telling you it’s ready to 
install. 

Sent from Tim's iPhone

> On 18 Apr 2018, at 8:28 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  wrote:
> 
> Hello fellow members. 
> I am having serious problems with Data use on my Computer( Telstra)I am using 
> 1GB of Data approx’ every 10 15 minutes. It’s Telstra’s top up system when 
> the normal data has run out. But it can cost up to $110. in 2 Hours, with 
> only the Computer on, I have tried talking to Telstra ( India) and last night 
> the Phillipines, not to bad, but no idea on what’s burning our data, it’s 
> like we’re supplying the street with our wireless. Any ideas if it’s 
> something we may have open on the Computer? We are doing nothing different 
> than at any other time. 
> Thanks Guy’s just thought I’d ask the question. Next stop the Ombudsman. 
> Telstra Shops only handle Customer Plans and Sales, not Billing or Data 
> problems. 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Tony
> Boddington.
> 
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Re: Data use.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis]

Hello fellow members. 
I am having serious problems with Data use on my Computer( Telstra)I am using 
1GB of Data approx’ every 10 15 minutes. It’s Telstra’s top up system when the 
normal data has run out. But it can cost up to $110. in 2 Hours, with only the 
Computer on, I have tried talking to Telstra ( India) and last night the 
Phillipines, not to bad, but no idea on what’s burning our data, it’s like 
we’re supplying the street with our wireless. Any ideas if it’s something we 
may have open on the Computer? We are doing nothing different than at any other 
time. 
Thanks Guy’s just thought I’d ask the question. Next stop the Ombudsman. 
Telstra Shops only handle Customer Plans and Sales, not Billing or Data 
problems. 
Kind Regards

Tony
Boddington.

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Re: Tool to measure data use on home network to individual connections

[Tim Law]

Thanks very much for your excellent expose James. 

I have resolved my query to the group and appreciate the time people have put 
into it. I hope others have learnt from this too.  

My solution is a fundamental parenting technique.  I.e.  Tell them that unless 
they cut back they will have to pay me upfront for the extra data plan I will 
purchase to resolve the problem they created. Given they won't part with any 
cash, they will cut back or I will cut them off the network and they will have 
to get by on wireless Internet; which will still cost them heaps and their 
speed will drop off. This reality check has been received with begrudging 
acceptance. 

I call it Tim's command line interface :-)

Ta
Tim


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On 30/12/2010, at 1:52 PM, James Devenish  wrote:

> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> There are some practical reasons why there's no "obvious" solution to
> this problem for everyone. The saving grace is that you might be able
> to short-circuit the problem by focussing only on the "excessive use"
> aspect. Let me step through the possibilities so you can see the pros
> and cons. But be warned: I have no solution for you, only ideas that
> might help you along the way.
> 
> The first hitch is the "rules"...Everyone's broadband contract has
> different rules. So you'll need to know about any "inclusions" and
> "exclusions" that apply to your account. For example, do you know if
> you being are billed for "uploads" as well as "downloads"? Do you have
> any "free zone" downloads? Are you billed for "TCP/IP overheads"? Most
> people will  get "free uploads" or "free zone downloads", but not
> necessarily either or both. Multiplayer gaming involves both uploading
> and downloading. Most people who do broadband gaming will require some
> kind of free zone for it to be fast enough and cheap enough.
> 
> The second hitch is that there's no device in your house that records
> all the information that you need. The only way to generally
> understand your bill is to combine information from multiple sources.
> And that's the problem. You've told us that your network consists of 5
> Macs, two PCs, an Xbox, a cable modem, and maybe a printer and maybe a
> Time Capsule backup too. So that's a combination of products from 4-6
> different corporations, in a mixture of Ethernet and wireless. For
> simplicity of discussion, I'm going to refer to these as "a dozen"
> devices.
> 
> Although every individual device can count the "bytes" it's
> transferred to and from the network, you need the data analyzed at a
> much more sophisticated level. Consider that a Mac could transfer
> bytes to a printer, from a Time Machine, to/from the freezone, etc.
> All of this interferes with the results you want, and must be filtered
> out! And that involves some heavy duty monitoring. And somehow you
> need to monitor every connection of every PC, every Mac, and the Xbox.
> So as Rob alluded to, the final solution will need to involve data
> from your Telstra cable modem/router. It is the only device that can
> track the Internet usage of all dozen devices.
> 
> Unless your cable modem contract is very straightforward, the solution
> will be quite specific to Telstra cable. So you should enquire with
> Telstra as your first option. To get a meaningful report on your
> household Internet usage, you'll need to solve the following problems:
> * Monitoring every connection made by every one of the dozen devices
> on your network, and identifying their usage in a useful way ("Tom's
> iMac", "Jane's MacBook", "Billy's PC", etc).
> * Correctly taking in to account the inclusions and exclusions of your
> Telstra cable modem contract by subtracting any eligible "free zone"
> or "uploads" from the report.
> * Removing "internal network usage" from the report (i.e., you don't
> want internal throughput like printing, household file sharing, or
> Time Capsule to be counted as network usage for the purpose of your
> Internet usage report).
> 
> By now you might be convinced there's no direct solution, and that's
> why no one's been able to give you a silver bullet. Sophisticated
> users would install a custom gateway router with its own Ethernet and
> wireless in  between the cable modem and the rest of the network, and
> then install and configure their own monitoring software, and divert
> their dozen devices off their modem and onto their custom gateway
> router. (The institutional approach.) But most people are simply stuck
> with the modem that came with their contract, and it simply doesn't
> provide the information you need.
> 
> And here's the other rub: only Telstra knows that is free and what is
> billed, but the only thing Telstra can see from its own end is your
> household's aggregate usage. It simply cannot see your Macs, PCs,
> Xbox, etc. So Telstra simply can't tell you which devices have been
> using the most data. You'd have to piece together most of the
> information yourself and then craftily subtract your freezone usage
> 

Re: Tool to measure data use on home network to individual connections

[Rob Davies]

Hi Kyle,

Bandwidth allocation has many different names pending on whom scripted it. 

ClearOS or Ebox/Zentyal being  full bodied network Firewall/Gateway covers many 
other areas as well is simply bandwidth manager with an ACL time control for 
users.
IPcop being the most simplistic Firewall/Gateway to install and maintain is 
Traffic Shaping.
PFSense has a selection of programs.

All the above can utilise Ntop which is the one program that will easily fulfil 
the requirements of original thread.
But, as mentioned previously network has to pass through one Gateway device 
enabling Ntop or IPtraf to record information.
Then as mentioned by James there are various connotations to take into 
consideration, but Ntop does break traffic down into IP local and remote as 
best as possible considering DNS also port numbers so various games, software, 
or daemons can be identified.

Further to this discussion I would install IPcop from very old PC based 
machinery about 1 GB of memory sufficient just burn cd then boot from and it 
will install then all other aspects are self explanatory very safe and easily 
maintained. It monitors network, controls throughput and other wonderful things.

DansGuardian being a Web Proxy, DNS management tool to supposedly stop exposure 
to unwanted websites and spam has management.
This as OpenDNS forces traffic through an exit then scans traffic utilising 
list being Black and White editable via client or manufacturer allowing or 
disallowing accordingly.

OpenDNS and Dans Guardian with other variants are very dangerous tools to trust 
as it works of various Black and White lists, this also removes you from local 
DNS provided by ISP which could possibly add to significant charges for 
downloads you thought are free? Besides offering owners of DNS servers an easy 
way to phish your network...

Cheers!
`RobD...

On 30Dec2010, at 11:09 am, Kyle Kreusch wrote:

> Hi, Tim and Rob
> 
> Rob: Thank you for the backup
> 
> As I mentioned earlier:
> 
> As I looked into this several years ago on Whirlpool and other places. most 
> software packages were ineffective. Most people that are doing this on their 
> home networks are using a Linux Box that they have built themselves as most 
> of the software can only detect data that is going through that machine. The 
> Linux Box would go between their modem/router and ethernet switch OR wireless 
> access point.
> 
> AND
> 
> I can tell you I don't think there's any consumer modem/router or switches 
> that can do this. I believe in a high-end network they would do something 
> similar as mentioned above it would either be a dedicated server OR a Switche 
> that had this capability built-in (is that even possible) OR some kind of a 
> Soft Appliance. (I think that's the correct term)
> 
> 
> Anyway to get back on track, There is plenty of software packages for Mac and 
> Windows that you can install on each machine to monitor that machines network 
> traffic. But there is no physical way to monitor all the traffic on the 
> physical network unless it goes through one Central computer
> 
> Ronda, has posted one of the best suggestions so far (it would be great if I 
> also wasn't having download problems) 
> 
> I haven't been able to confirm it yet but it looks like they have two 
> applications one that you install on each computer (Mac) that looks like it 
> can report usage to a centralised location but this application does not have 
> a Windows version so there would be no way to get the windows computers 
> current usage you will need to find a program that can do this on Windows 
> most likely not one and then you have to merge both datapoints together.
> 
> 
> Before getting into one of the ways I have done this in the past:
> 
> I thought I should mention OpenDNS is a great service and has lots of 
> features including stats on what websites you have visited it will tell you 
> how many times the website has been visited unfortunately it will not tell 
> you how much physical data was transferred but could be useful to track what 
> websites are being looked at to give you a better view of things.
> 
> What I have done previously at another clients place is to rout all the 
> network traffic through one of the mac's temporarily to get an idea of 
> network usage this is not a great solution but works good enough as a 
> temporary one.
> (let me know if you want to give this a go)
> 
> 
> 
> Rob: buy any chance you don't know the name of the software that you can use 
> to set custom bandwidth limits and allocate a certain amount of usage to each 
> machine is called.
> 
> Apologies for the bad punctuation cannot be bothered fixing it
> 
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Re: Tool to measure data use on home network to individual connections

[James Devenish]

Hi Tom,

There are some practical reasons why there's no "obvious" solution to
this problem for everyone. The saving grace is that you might be able
to short-circuit the problem by focussing only on the "excessive use"
aspect. Let me step through the possibilities so you can see the pros
and cons. But be warned: I have no solution for you, only ideas that
might help you along the way.

The first hitch is the "rules"...Everyone's broadband contract has
different rules. So you'll need to know about any "inclusions" and
"exclusions" that apply to your account. For example, do you know if
you being are billed for "uploads" as well as "downloads"? Do you have
any "free zone" downloads? Are you billed for "TCP/IP overheads"? Most
people will  get "free uploads" or "free zone downloads", but not
necessarily either or both. Multiplayer gaming involves both uploading
and downloading. Most people who do broadband gaming will require some
kind of free zone for it to be fast enough and cheap enough.

The second hitch is that there's no device in your house that records
all the information that you need. The only way to generally
understand your bill is to combine information from multiple sources.
And that's the problem. You've told us that your network consists of 5
Macs, two PCs, an Xbox, a cable modem, and maybe a printer and maybe a
Time Capsule backup too. So that's a combination of products from 4-6
different corporations, in a mixture of Ethernet and wireless. For
simplicity of discussion, I'm going to refer to these as "a dozen"
devices.

Although every individual device can count the "bytes" it's
transferred to and from the network, you need the data analyzed at a
much more sophisticated level. Consider that a Mac could transfer
bytes to a printer, from a Time Machine, to/from the freezone, etc.
All of this interferes with the results you want, and must be filtered
out! And that involves some heavy duty monitoring. And somehow you
need to monitor every connection of every PC, every Mac, and the Xbox.
So as Rob alluded to, the final solution will need to involve data
from your Telstra cable modem/router. It is the only device that can
track the Internet usage of all dozen devices.

Unless your cable modem contract is very straightforward, the solution
will be quite specific to Telstra cable. So you should enquire with
Telstra as your first option. To get a meaningful report on your
household Internet usage, you'll need to solve the following problems:
* Monitoring every connection made by every one of the dozen devices
on your network, and identifying their usage in a useful way ("Tom's
iMac", "Jane's MacBook", "Billy's PC", etc).
* Correctly taking in to account the inclusions and exclusions of your
Telstra cable modem contract by subtracting any eligible "free zone"
or "uploads" from the report.
* Removing "internal network usage" from the report (i.e., you don't
want internal throughput like printing, household file sharing, or
Time Capsule to be counted as network usage for the purpose of your
Internet usage report).

By now you might be convinced there's no direct solution, and that's
why no one's been able to give you a silver bullet. Sophisticated
users would install a custom gateway router with its own Ethernet and
wireless in  between the cable modem and the rest of the network, and
then install and configure their own monitoring software, and divert
their dozen devices off their modem and onto their custom gateway
router. (The institutional approach.) But most people are simply stuck
with the modem that came with their contract, and it simply doesn't
provide the information you need.

And here's the other rub: only Telstra knows that is free and what is
billed, but the only thing Telstra can see from its own end is your
household's aggregate usage. It simply cannot see your Macs, PCs,
Xbox, etc. So Telstra simply can't tell you which devices have been
using the most data. You'd have to piece together most of the
information yourself and then craftily subtract your freezone usage
(if applicable).

Here are things that probably won't work naively:
* Installing monitor software on all your Macs and PCs. Why it won't
work: internal network usage such as printing and Time Capsule will be
erroneously included in your "usage", as will any Telstra free zone.
Plus, how are you going to monitor the Xbox?
* Installing a traffic monitor on your Cable modem. Why it won't work:
you probably can't install software on your cable modem. Instead,
you'll need to extract reports from the Cable modem and filter them to
remove free zone, and to map the usage back to your individual
devices. But each device can change its network address daily, so how
are you going to keep track of which network address matches which
device? And does your cable modem even give you this information?

If you are billed for all uploads and all downloads (no freezone),
then the network traffic bytes counted by your cable modem will within
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Re: Tool to measure data use on home network to individual connections

[Kyle Kreusch]

Hi, Tim and Rob

Rob: Thank you for the backup

As I mentioned earlier:

As I looked into this several years ago on Whirlpool and other places. most
> software packages were ineffective. Most people that are doing this on their
> home networks are using a Linux Box that they have built themselves as most
> of the software can only detect data that is going through that
> machine. The Linux Box would go between their modem/router and ethernet
> switch OR wireless access point.


AND

I can tell you I don't think there's any consumer modem/router or switches
> that can do this. I believe in a high-end network they would do something
> similar as mentioned above it would either be a dedicated server OR a
> Switche that had this capability built-in (is that even possible) OR some
> kind of a Soft Appliance. (I think that's the correct term)



Anyway to get back on track, There is plenty of software packages for Mac
and Windows that you can install on each machine to monitor that machines
network traffic. But there is no physical way to monitor all the traffic on
the physical network unless it goes through one Central computer

Ronda, has posted one of the best suggestions so far (it would be great if I
also wasn't having download problems)

I haven't been able to confirm it yet but it looks like they have two
applications one that you install on each computer (Mac) that looks like it
can report usage to a centralised location but this application does not
have a Windows version so there would be no way to get the windows computers
current usage you will need to find a program that can do this on Windows
most likely not one and then you have to merge both datapoints together.


Before getting into one of the ways I have done this in the past:

I thought I should mention OpenDNS is a great service and has lots of
features including stats on what websites you have visited it will tell you
how many times the website has been visited unfortunately it will not tell
you how much physical data was transferred but could be useful to track what
websites are being looked at to give you a better view of things.

What I have done previously at another clients place is to rout all the
network traffic through one of the mac's temporarily to get an idea of
network usage this is not a great solution but works good enough as a
temporary one.
(let me know if you want to give this a go)



Rob: buy any chance you don't know the name of the software that you can use
to set custom bandwidth limits and allocate a certain amount of usage to
each machine is called.

Apologies for the bad punctuation cannot be bothered fixing it

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Re: Tool to measure data use on home network to individual connections

[Rob Davies]

Morning Apologies for not responding sooner.

IPTraf and Ntop I should have explained are tools available within servers, but 
OS X being a FreeBSD environment means it can utilise with a little effort.

Your problem will be that not one machine is the gateway except modem, so data 
collected being log-files is not definable as reliable output for said results.

Ntop does provide information in a GUI HTML produced document via local 
address, and IPTraf gets deep within tracking usage, maybe not as pretty but a 
lot more intensive.

But as previously stated, there is not one computer being the Gateway.

Network Analyser and OpenDNS are forces you are opening your system for others 
to take advantage off, treat with due care. 
Net Monitor requires product to be installed on machines logging in and out 
including separate licenses, similar  issues again and no gateway.

I would suggest in your situation to investigate the probability of a Gateway 
server on a dedicated machine, then control of your network is possible without 
opening up doors that do not need to be opened.

I have many solutions, most free. But do take a little planning and effort to 
maintain and initially put in place.
IPcop:- Best choice very simple to install and maintain, great support via 
mailing list. Utilises antiquated PC's a bonus.. Addons like IPTraf and Ntop 
available.
ClearOS: Current choice of the pack for modern offices whom require a SAMBA 
solution. Requires more modern components.
PFsense: Current Firewall I use very strong and definable to situation with 
addons to enhance distro a little horsepower if using addons.


But to answer initial question you have to monitor each individual devices 
log-files then produce an output. Nothing simple comes to mind especially 
across platforms as most whom require this run dedicated servers, which utilise 
above mentioned sniffer style programs and then some.

Cheers!
`RobD...

On 29Dec2010, at 6:56 pm, Tim Law wrote:

> 
> Thanks Rob,
> 
>> How is your home network setup i.e., server software or distribution?
> 
> 
> The best answer I can give was in my original posting:
>>> I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are 
>>> connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet 
>>> through Bigpond Cable. 
> 
> The Cable router is a Netgear Wireless Cable Modem Gateway CG814WG
> 
> Following your suggestion, I've looked at Ntop and IPTraf, both of which seem 
> to be more suited to command line geeks, which I am not. 
> http://iptraf.seul.org/  info page was last updated in 2005 and appears to be 
> a Linux app with no reference to OSX
> 
> http://www.ntop.org/overview.html
> I've downloaded this, but I cannot figure out how to instal it. There are 
> Unix command lines that are beyond my level of knowledge. I've given up on 
> this app. 
> 
> I'm quite surprised there isn't an easy to use programme that allows us to 
> view where the internet quota is being used. If these processes can be read 
> by command line Unix tools, then how come someone ingenious soul hasn't put a 
> GUI on top of it and marketed it?
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> On 29/12/2010, at 8:27 AM, Rob Davies wrote:
> 
>> 
>> How is your home network setup i.e., server software or distribution?
>> 
>> Many options available as all machines record usage Mac for instance has 
>> many logs as do Win$. Activity Monitor, is one way of checking individual 
>> machines if on same network one can log into machine whilst on to view.
>> 
>> Other solutions are Ntop, IPTraf both can be run from OS X, but it depends 
>> on which machine is the server allowing access to internet as this is point 
>> of contact or Router/Modem which also can be used for monitoring... 
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> `RobD
>> 
>> 
>> On 23Dec2010, at 9:45 am, Tim Law wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are 
>>> connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet 
>>> through Bigpond Cable. 
>>> 
>>> I am trying to determine where the main data munchers are, or as least to 
>>> confirm my suspicions that it is the PC laptops with attached 17 and 21yo 
>>> sons playing Starcraft etc. !!
>>> 
>>> I've not been able to find any software that is effective at monitoring 
>>> data traffic to individual machines.
>>> 
>>> WebSpy SOHO looks like it might do the job, but is still in development and 
>>> doesn't work on OSX properly yet. 
>>> 
>>> I would have thought routers would have logged this data, and an app could 
>>> be made to compile this, but apparently it's not that simple
>>> 
>>> Any tips welcome. 
>>> 
>>> Ta
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> BTW, my neighbour solved this issue with a password change on the router, 
>>> and gifting his three children wireless sticks with one month of data on 
>>> it. After that, they paid for their own!
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Tool to measure data use on home network to individual connections

[Tim Law]

Thanks for the tip Ronni

Net Monitor seems to be having problems with their downloads at the moment. 
I've sent them a message and will let the group know how I go with the app once 
installed. 

Ta

Tim


Sent from my iPad

On 29/12/2010, at 7:21 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> 
> As I have been on a break from support for WAMUG I have not been able to 
> follow your thread.
> Has someone mentioned or Have you looked at Net Monitor
> Net Monitor
> 
> For network monitoring
> 
> Visualize your network traffic, log your network activity, create history 
> reports and calculate traffic over time.
> 
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 29/12/2010, at 6:56 PM, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Thanks Rob,
>> 
>>> How is your home network setup i.e., server software or distribution?
>> 
>> 
>> The best answer I can give was in my original posting:
 I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are 
 connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet 
 through Bigpond Cable. 
>> 
>> The Cable router is a Netgear Wireless Cable Modem Gateway CG814WG
>> 
>> Following your suggestion, I've looked at Ntop and IPTraf, both of which 
>> seem to be more suited to command line geeks, which I am not. 
>> http://iptraf.seul.org/  info page was last updated in 2005 and appears to 
>> be a Linux app with no reference to OSX
>> 
>> http://www.ntop.org/overview.html
>> I've downloaded this, but I cannot figure out how to instal it. There are 
>> Unix command lines that are beyond my level of knowledge. I've given up on 
>> this app. 
>> 
>> I'm quite surprised there isn't an easy to use programme that allows us to 
>> view where the internet quota is being used. If these processes can be read 
>> by command line Unix tools, then how come someone ingenious soul hasn't put 
>> a GUI on top of it and marketed it?
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29/12/2010, at 8:27 AM, Rob Davies wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> How is your home network setup i.e., server software or distribution?
>>> 
>>> Many options available as all machines record usage Mac for instance has 
>>> many logs as do Win$. Activity Monitor, is one way of checking individual 
>>> machines if on same network one can log into machine whilst on to view.
>>> 
>>> Other solutions are Ntop, IPTraf both can be run from OS X, but it depends 
>>> on which machine is the server allowing access to internet as this is point 
>>> of contact or Router/Modem which also can be used for monitoring... 
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> `RobD
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23Dec2010, at 9:45 am, Tim Law wrote:
>>> 
 
 Hello,
 
 I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are 
 connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet 
 through Bigpond Cable. 
 
 I am trying to determine where the main data munchers are, or as least to 
 confirm my suspicions that it is the PC laptops with attached 17 and 21yo 
 sons playing Starcraft etc. !!
 
 I've not been able to find any software that is effective at monitoring 
 data traffic to individual machines.
 
 WebSpy SOHO looks like it might do the job, but is still in development 
 and doesn't work on OSX properly yet. 
 
 I would have thought routers would have logged this data, and an app could 
 be made to compile this, but apparently it's not that simple
 
 Any tips welcome. 
 
 Ta
 
 Tim
 
 
 BTW, my neighbour solved this issue with a password change on the router, 
 and gifting his three children wireless sticks with one month of data on 
 it. After that, they paid for their own!
 
 
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Re: Tool to measure data use on home network to individual connections

[Mike Murray]

Hi Ronni

The only way you're really going to be on a break is 
a) not follow the threads and
b) not respond to the plaintive cries from the tribe.

We all love the fact that you are so thorough and helpful but we would love you 
to feel that it's OK to knock off for a week or a month.

We look forward to your continuing contributions starting about February. 
Others will step in to the breach, (as they have) although somewhat haltingly. 

We'll all be here when you're back.

Have a great holiday, Ronni

Mike

On 29/12/2010, at 7:21 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> 
> As I have been on a break from support for WAMUG I have not been able to 
> follow your thread.
> Has someone mentioned or Have you looked at Net Monitor
> Net Monitor
> 
> For network monitoring
> 
> Visualize your network traffic, log your network activity, create history 
> reports and calculate traffic over time.
> 
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 29/12/2010, at 6:56 PM, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Thanks Rob,
>> 
>>> How is your home network setup i.e., server software or distribution?
>> 
>> 
>> The best answer I can give was in my original posting:
 I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are 
 connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet 
 through Bigpond Cable. 
>> 
>> The Cable router is a Netgear Wireless Cable Modem Gateway CG814WG
>> 
>> Following your suggestion, I've looked at Ntop and IPTraf, both of which 
>> seem to be more suited to command line geeks, which I am not. 
>> http://iptraf.seul.org/  info page was last updated in 2005 and appears to 
>> be a Linux app with no reference to OSX
>> 
>> http://www.ntop.org/overview.html
>> I've downloaded this, but I cannot figure out how to instal it. There are 
>> Unix command lines that are beyond my level of knowledge. I've given up on 
>> this app. 
>> 
>> I'm quite surprised there isn't an easy to use programme that allows us to 
>> view where the internet quota is being used. If these processes can be read 
>> by command line Unix tools, then how come someone ingenious soul hasn't put 
>> a GUI on top of it and marketed it?
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29/12/2010, at 8:27 AM, Rob Davies wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> How is your home network setup i.e., server software or distribution?
>>> 
>>> Many options available as all machines record usage Mac for instance has 
>>> many logs as do Win$. Activity Monitor, is one way of checking individual 
>>> machines if on same network one can log into machine whilst on to view.
>>> 
>>> Other solutions are Ntop, IPTraf both can be run from OS X, but it depends 
>>> on which machine is the server allowing access to internet as this is point 
>>> of contact or Router/Modem which also can be used for monitoring... 
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> `RobD
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23Dec2010, at 9:45 am, Tim Law wrote:
>>> 
 
 Hello,
 
 I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are 
 connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet 
 through Bigpond Cable. 
 
 I am trying to determine where the main data munchers are, or as least to 
 confirm my suspicions that it is the PC laptops with attached 17 and 21yo 
 sons playing Starcraft etc. !!
 
 I've not been able to find any software that is effective at monitoring 
 data traffic to individual machines.
 
 WebSpy SOHO looks like it might do the job, but is still in development 
 and doesn't work on OSX properly yet. 
 
 I would have thought routers would have logged this data, and an app could 
 be made to compile this, but apparently it's not that simple
 
 Any tips welcome. 
 
 Ta
 
 Tim
 
 
 BTW, my neighbour solved this issue with a password change on the router, 
 and gifting his three children wireless sticks with one month of data on 
 it. After that, they paid for their own!
 
 
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Re: Tool to measure data use on home network to individual connections

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Tim,

As I have been on a break from support for WAMUG I have not been able to follow 
your thread.
Has someone mentioned or Have you looked at Net Monitor
Net Monitor

For network monitoring

Visualize your network traffic, log your network activity, create history 
reports and calculate traffic over time.


Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 29/12/2010, at 6:56 PM, Tim Law  wrote:

> 
> Thanks Rob,
> 
>> How is your home network setup i.e., server software or distribution?
> 
> 
> The best answer I can give was in my original posting:
>>> I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are 
>>> connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet 
>>> through Bigpond Cable. 
> 
> The Cable router is a Netgear Wireless Cable Modem Gateway CG814WG
> 
> Following your suggestion, I've looked at Ntop and IPTraf, both of which seem 
> to be more suited to command line geeks, which I am not. 
> http://iptraf.seul.org/  info page was last updated in 2005 and appears to be 
> a Linux app with no reference to OSX
> 
> http://www.ntop.org/overview.html
> I've downloaded this, but I cannot figure out how to instal it. There are 
> Unix command lines that are beyond my level of knowledge. I've given up on 
> this app. 
> 
> I'm quite surprised there isn't an easy to use programme that allows us to 
> view where the internet quota is being used. If these processes can be read 
> by command line Unix tools, then how come someone ingenious soul hasn't put a 
> GUI on top of it and marketed it?
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> On 29/12/2010, at 8:27 AM, Rob Davies wrote:
> 
>> 
>> How is your home network setup i.e., server software or distribution?
>> 
>> Many options available as all machines record usage Mac for instance has 
>> many logs as do Win$. Activity Monitor, is one way of checking individual 
>> machines if on same network one can log into machine whilst on to view.
>> 
>> Other solutions are Ntop, IPTraf both can be run from OS X, but it depends 
>> on which machine is the server allowing access to internet as this is point 
>> of contact or Router/Modem which also can be used for monitoring... 
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> `RobD
>> 
>> 
>> On 23Dec2010, at 9:45 am, Tim Law wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are 
>>> connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet 
>>> through Bigpond Cable. 
>>> 
>>> I am trying to determine where the main data munchers are, or as least to 
>>> confirm my suspicions that it is the PC laptops with attached 17 and 21yo 
>>> sons playing Starcraft etc. !!
>>> 
>>> I've not been able to find any software that is effective at monitoring 
>>> data traffic to individual machines.
>>> 
>>> WebSpy SOHO looks like it might do the job, but is still in development and 
>>> doesn't work on OSX properly yet. 
>>> 
>>> I would have thought routers would have logged this data, and an app could 
>>> be made to compile this, but apparently it's not that simple
>>> 
>>> Any tips welcome. 
>>> 
>>> Ta
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> BTW, my neighbour solved this issue with a password change on the router, 
>>> and gifting his three children wireless sticks with one month of data on 
>>> it. After that, they paid for their own!
>>> 
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[Tim Law]

Thanks Rob,

> How is your home network setup i.e., server software or distribution?


The best answer I can give was in my original posting:
>> I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are 
>> connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet 
>> through Bigpond Cable. 

The Cable router is a Netgear Wireless Cable Modem Gateway CG814WG

Following your suggestion, I've looked at Ntop and IPTraf, both of which seem 
to be more suited to command line geeks, which I am not. 
http://iptraf.seul.org/  info page was last updated in 2005 and appears to be a 
Linux app with no reference to OSX

http://www.ntop.org/overview.html
I've downloaded this, but I cannot figure out how to instal it. There are Unix 
command lines that are beyond my level of knowledge. I've given up on this app. 

I'm quite surprised there isn't an easy to use programme that allows us to view 
where the internet quota is being used. If these processes can be read by 
command line Unix tools, then how come someone ingenious soul hasn't put a GUI 
on top of it and marketed it?

Tim



On 29/12/2010, at 8:27 AM, Rob Davies wrote:

> 
> How is your home network setup i.e., server software or distribution?
> 
> Many options available as all machines record usage Mac for instance has many 
> logs as do Win$. Activity Monitor, is one way of checking individual machines 
> if on same network one can log into machine whilst on to view.
> 
> Other solutions are Ntop, IPTraf both can be run from OS X, but it depends on 
> which machine is the server allowing access to internet as this is point of 
> contact or Router/Modem which also can be used for monitoring... 
> 
> Cheers!
> `RobD
> 
> 
> On 23Dec2010, at 9:45 am, Tim Law wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are 
>> connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet 
>> through Bigpond Cable. 
>> 
>> I am trying to determine where the main data munchers are, or as least to 
>> confirm my suspicions that it is the PC laptops with attached 17 and 21yo 
>> sons playing Starcraft etc. !!
>> 
>> I've not been able to find any software that is effective at monitoring data 
>> traffic to individual machines.
>> 
>> WebSpy SOHO looks like it might do the job, but is still in development and 
>> doesn't work on OSX properly yet. 
>> 
>> I would have thought routers would have logged this data, and an app could 
>> be made to compile this, but apparently it's not that simple
>> 
>> Any tips welcome. 
>> 
>> Ta
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> BTW, my neighbour solved this issue with a password change on the router, 
>> and gifting his three children wireless sticks with one month of data on it. 
>> After that, they paid for their own!
>> 
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Re: Tool to measure data use on home network to individual connections

[Rob Davies]

How is your home network setup i.e., server software or distribution?

Many options available as all machines record usage Mac for instance has many 
logs as do Win$. Activity Monitor, is one way of checking individual machines 
if on same network one can log into machine whilst on to view.

Other solutions are Ntop, IPTraf both can be run from OS X, but it depends on 
which machine is the server allowing access to internet as this is point of 
contact or Router/Modem which also can be used for monitoring... 

Cheers!
`RobD


On 23Dec2010, at 9:45 am, Tim Law wrote:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are 
> connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet through 
> Bigpond Cable. 
> 
> I am trying to determine where the main data munchers are, or as least to 
> confirm my suspicions that it is the PC laptops with attached 17 and 21yo 
> sons playing Starcraft etc. !!
> 
> I've not been able to find any software that is effective at monitoring data 
> traffic to individual machines.
> 
> WebSpy SOHO looks like it might do the job, but is still in development and 
> doesn't work on OSX properly yet. 
> 
> I would have thought routers would have logged this data, and an app could be 
> made to compile this, but apparently it's not that simple
> 
> Any tips welcome. 
> 
> Ta
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> BTW, my neighbour solved this issue with a password change on the router, and 
> gifting his three children wireless sticks with one month of data on it. 
> After that, they paid for their own!
> 
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[S Beach]

Hi TIm

A possible option is to use the  OpenDNS service (opendns.org). I have
posted on the security benefits of this previously but they also have a
logging service. It won't tell you which computer in the house is the
culprit but it will tell you where all the data is coming from (or going).
It is particularly useful for seeing the data usage sorted by volume (sites
with the highest data volume usage for your router IP address).

I'm pretty sure you can do all of that with a free account and more besides.

Regards

Shayne


On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 6:35 PM, David Choy  wrote:

>
> HI Tim
>
> I tried looking for this too for a client of mine. You're right, it's
> hard to find anything that really will test how much data they are
> using. In my search I didn't find anything really useful to monitor
> usage.
>
>  One other alternative would be to buy a prepaid wireless modem (eg
> Vivid wireless, or any of the major telcos have one these days) and
> they can all use this second network and you can see if it's the kids
> that are responsible.
> eg. http://www.vividwireless.com.au/get-it-now/devices/vivifi
>  Or you can do what your neighbour did and get them all wireless sticks.
>
> I disagree with Kyle on gaming not chewing up data. It really depends
> on the game, I was heavy into first-person shooters for a few months
> and found that my data usage went up at least 5gb, and dropped back
> once I stopped. With a few kids all doing the same thing I can imagine
> it would chew through your data allowance, and remember all the online
> games also need whopping big updates fairly regularly, otherwise they
> won't let you join online with other players.
>
> I also doubt it would be just two hours use, I would bet it would be a
> heck of alot more on the weekends.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Tim Law  wrote:
> > Thanks Kyle,
> > I appreciate your thoughts.
> > The difficulty is that none of us understand where the data is going. I
> > agree YouTube clips are potential culprits as they seem to watch the
> replays
> > of other players Starcraft games and they last half an hour or so each.
> But
> > without evidence of how much data one of these sessions consumes, none of
> us
> > can quantify the data used, and the user cannot understand how it could
> > possibly have been them. So it's hard to hold them to account.
> > My neighbours philosophy worked. He saw his kids more, then they got paid
> > jobs and they are much more discerning with their data use, nicer people
> and
> > less addicted to screens.
> > Thanks again for your thoughts about the technical solution, or lack of.
> It
> > mirrors my own searching and IMHO this is a gap in app design that would
> > fill a need in family networking environments.
> > A few months ago I upgraded from 12gb plan to 25Gb. I'm not going to the
> > next level without as you say, a cash contribution.
> > Ta
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23/12/2010, at 2:55 PM, Kyle Kreusch wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Tim
> >>
> >> I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are
> >> connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet
> >> through Bigpond Cable.
> >>
> >> I am trying to determine where the main data munchers are, or as least
> to
> >> confirm my suspicions that it is the PC laptops with attached 17 and
> 21yo
> >> sons playing Starcraft etc. !!
> >
> >
> > I'll be completely honest with you I don't think it's gaining that's
> causing
> > the problems as in the grand scheme of things gaming does not use that
> much
> > data.
> > My Experience, when I tested my brother on his Sony PlayStation 3 he was
> > using anywhere between 90 to 150 MB her two-hour gaming and eventually I
> > found out that the usage hole was YouTube.
> > Some things that can cause unexpected chunks of usage data are, automatic
> > software updates (Windows, Mac) I don't normally recommend turning these
> off
> > as most users forget to update their computers and I recommend you update
> > and patch your computer immediately especially in the case of Windows (I
> > believe security patches come out on the first week of every month).
> > So we have software updates from computers, gaming consoles. Streaming
> video
> > from all the major Australian TV networks and other sources like
> > http://live.twit.tv/
> > As I mentioned earlier YouTube (You watch three videos and on average you
> > have already downloaded 150 to 200 MB that's not even

Re: Tool to measure data use on home network to individual connections

[David Choy]

HI Tim

I tried looking for this too for a client of mine. You're right, it's
hard to find anything that really will test how much data they are
using. In my search I didn't find anything really useful to monitor
usage.

 One other alternative would be to buy a prepaid wireless modem (eg
Vivid wireless, or any of the major telcos have one these days) and
they can all use this second network and you can see if it's the kids
that are responsible.
eg. http://www.vividwireless.com.au/get-it-now/devices/vivifi
 Or you can do what your neighbour did and get them all wireless sticks.

I disagree with Kyle on gaming not chewing up data. It really depends
on the game, I was heavy into first-person shooters for a few months
and found that my data usage went up at least 5gb, and dropped back
once I stopped. With a few kids all doing the same thing I can imagine
it would chew through your data allowance, and remember all the online
games also need whopping big updates fairly regularly, otherwise they
won't let you join online with other players.

I also doubt it would be just two hours use, I would bet it would be a
heck of alot more on the weekends.


Dave


On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Tim Law  wrote:
> Thanks Kyle,
> I appreciate your thoughts.
> The difficulty is that none of us understand where the data is going. I
> agree YouTube clips are potential culprits as they seem to watch the replays
> of other players Starcraft games and they last half an hour or so each. But
> without evidence of how much data one of these sessions consumes, none of us
> can quantify the data used, and the user cannot understand how it could
> possibly have been them. So it's hard to hold them to account.
> My neighbours philosophy worked. He saw his kids more, then they got paid
> jobs and they are much more discerning with their data use, nicer people and
> less addicted to screens.
> Thanks again for your thoughts about the technical solution, or lack of. It
> mirrors my own searching and IMHO this is a gap in app design that would
> fill a need in family networking environments.
> A few months ago I upgraded from 12gb plan to 25Gb. I'm not going to the
> next level without as you say, a cash contribution.
> Ta
> Tim
>
>
>
> On 23/12/2010, at 2:55 PM, Kyle Kreusch wrote:
>
> Hi, Tim
>>
>> I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are
>> connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet
>> through Bigpond Cable.
>>
>> I am trying to determine where the main data munchers are, or as least to
>> confirm my suspicions that it is the PC laptops with attached 17 and 21yo
>> sons playing Starcraft etc. !!
>
>
> I'll be completely honest with you I don't think it's gaining that's causing
> the problems as in the grand scheme of things gaming does not use that much
> data.
> My Experience, when I tested my brother on his Sony PlayStation 3 he was
> using anywhere between 90 to 150 MB her two-hour gaming and eventually I
> found out that the usage hole was YouTube.
> Some things that can cause unexpected chunks of usage data are, automatic
> software updates (Windows, Mac) I don't normally recommend turning these off
> as most users forget to update their computers and I recommend you update
> and patch your computer immediately especially in the case of Windows (I
> believe security patches come out on the first week of every month).
> So we have software updates from computers, gaming consoles. Streaming video
> from all the major Australian TV networks and other sources like
> http://live.twit.tv/
> As I mentioned earlier YouTube (You watch three videos and on average you
> have already downloaded 150 to 200 MB that's not even taking account of
> higher quality videos that YouTube now have available so those 10 minute
> clips can eat into your data very quickly specially if they close the window
> and come back and watch the same video again later)
> Then you have the other suspects P2P and BitTorrent
>
>> I've not been able to find any software that is effective at monitoring
>> data traffic to individual machines. WebSpy SOHO looks like it might do the
>> job, but is still in development and doesn't work on OSX properly yet.
>
> As I looked into this several years ago on Whirlpool and other places. most
> software packages were ineffective. Most people that are doing this on their
> home networks are using a Linux Box that they have built themselves as most
> of the software can only detect data that is going through that
> machine. The Linux Box would go between their modem/router and ethernet
> switch OR wireless access point.
>
>> I would have thought routers would have lo

Re: Tool to measure data use on home network to individual connections

[Tim Law]

Thanks Kyle,

I appreciate your thoughts. 

The difficulty is that none of us understand where the data is going. I agree 
YouTube clips are potential culprits as they seem to watch the replays of other 
players Starcraft games and they last half an hour or so each. But without 
evidence of how much data one of these sessions consumes, none of us can 
quantify the data used, and the user cannot understand how it could possibly 
have been them. So it's hard to hold them to account. 

My neighbours philosophy worked. He saw his kids more, then they got paid jobs 
and they are much more discerning with their data use, nicer people and less 
addicted to screens. 

Thanks again for your thoughts about the technical solution, or lack of. It 
mirrors my own searching and IMHO this is a gap in app design that would fill a 
need in family networking environments. 

A few months ago I upgraded from 12gb plan to 25Gb. I'm not going to the next 
level without as you say, a cash contribution. 

Ta

Tim




On 23/12/2010, at 2:55 PM, Kyle Kreusch wrote:

> Hi, Tim
> 
> I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are 
> connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet through 
> Bigpond Cable.
> 
> I am trying to determine where the main data munchers are, or as least to 
> confirm my suspicions that it is the PC laptops with attached 17 and 21yo 
> sons playing Starcraft etc. !!
> 
> 
> I'll be completely honest with you I don't think it's gaining that's causing 
> the problems as in the grand scheme of things gaming does not use that much 
> data.
> 
> My Experience, when I tested my brother on his Sony PlayStation 3 he was 
> using anywhere between 90 to 150 MB her two-hour gaming and eventually I 
> found out that the usage hole was YouTube.
> 
> Some things that can cause unexpected chunks of usage data are, automatic 
> software updates (Windows, Mac) I don't normally recommend turning these off 
> as most users forget to update their computers and I recommend you update and 
> patch your computer immediately especially in the case of Windows (I believe 
> security patches come out on the first week of every month).
> 
> So we have software updates from computers, gaming consoles. Streaming video 
> from all the major Australian TV networks and other sources like 
> http://live.twit.tv/ 
> 
> As I mentioned earlier YouTube (You watch three videos and on average you 
> have already downloaded 150 to 200 MB that's not even taking account of 
> higher quality videos that YouTube now have available so those 10 minute 
> clips can eat into your data very quickly specially if they close the window 
> and come back and watch the same video again later) 
> 
> Then you have the other suspects P2P and BitTorrent
> 
> 
> I've not been able to find any software that is effective at monitoring data 
> traffic to individual machines. WebSpy SOHO looks like it might do the job, 
> but is still in development and doesn't work on OSX properly yet.
> 
> As I looked into this several years ago on Whirlpool and other places. most 
> software packages were ineffective. Most people that are doing this on their 
> home networks are using a Linux Box that they have built themselves as most 
> of the software can only detect data that is going through that machine. The 
> Linux Box would go between their modem/router and ethernet switch OR wireless 
> access point.
> 
> 
> I would have thought routers would have logged this data, and an app could be 
> made to compile this, but apparently it's not that simple.
> 
> I can tell you I don't think there's any consumer modem/router or switches 
> that can do this. I believe in a high-end network they would do something 
> similar as mentioned above it would either be a dedicated server OR a Switche 
> that had this capability built-in (is that even possible) OR some kind of a 
> Soft Appliance. (I think that's the correct term)
> 
> 
> BTW, my neighbour solved this issue with a password change on the router, and 
> gifting his three children wireless sticks with one month of data on it. 
> After that, they paid for their own!
> 
>  I would not go that far as it would be completely totally the most expensive 
> Internet that you can get here in Australia I would talk to your kids/young 
> adult's and explain to them you are hitting your monthly usage quota.
> 
> Either try to get them to lower their usage or offer them the option to pay 
> the difference and upgrade your usage allowance. As my younger brother 
> increased his usage I suggested to my dad that I would pay the difference to 
> get the upgrade to the monthly download allowance  as I was using more 

Re: Tool to measure data use on home network to individual connections

[Kyle Kreusch]

Hi, Tim

 I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are
> connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet
> through Bigpond Cable.
>
> I am trying to determine where the main data munchers are, or as least to
> confirm my suspicions that it is the PC laptops with attached 17 and 21yo
> sons playing Starcraft etc. !!
>


I'll be completely honest with you I don't think it's gaining that's causing
the problems as in the grand scheme of things gaming does not use that much
data.

My Experience, when I tested my brother on his Sony PlayStation 3 he was
using anywhere between 90 to 150 MB her two-hour gaming and eventually I
found out that the usage hole was YouTube.

Some things that can cause unexpected chunks of usage data are, automatic
software updates (Windows, Mac) I don't normally recommend turning these off
as most users forget to update their computers and I recommend you update
and patch your computer immediately especially in the case of Windows (I
believe security patches come out on the first week of every month).

So we have software updates from computers, gaming consoles. Streaming video
from all the major Australian TV networks and other sources like
http://live.twit.tv/

As I mentioned earlier YouTube (You watch three videos and on average you
have already downloaded 150 to 200 MB that's not even taking account of
higher quality videos that YouTube now have available so those 10 minute
clips can eat into your data very quickly specially if they close the window
and come back and watch the same video again later)

Then you have the other suspects P2P and BitTorrent


I've not been able to find any software that is effective at monitoring data
> traffic to individual machines. WebSpy SOHO looks like it might do the job,
> but is still in development and doesn't work on OSX properly yet.


As I looked into this several years ago on Whirlpool and other places. most
software packages were ineffective. Most people that are doing this on their
home networks are using a Linux Box that they have built themselves as most
of the software can only detect data that is going through that
machine. The Linux Box would go between their modem/router and ethernet
switch OR wireless access point.


I would have thought routers would have logged this data, and an app could
> be made to compile this, but apparently it's not that simple.


I can tell you I don't think there's any consumer modem/router or switches
that can do this. I believe in a high-end network they would do something
similar as mentioned above it would either be a dedicated server OR a
Switche that had this capability built-in (is that even possible) OR some
kind of a Soft Appliance. (I think that's the correct term)


BTW, my neighbour solved this issue with a password change on the router,
> and gifting his three children wireless sticks with one month of data on it.
> After that, they paid for their own!


 I would not go that far as it would be completely totally the most
expensive Internet that you can get here in Australia I would talk to your
kids/young adult's and explain to them you are hitting your monthly usage
quota.

Either try to get them to lower their usage or offer them the option to pay
the difference and upgrade your usage allowance. As my younger brother
increased his usage I suggested to my dad that I would pay the difference to
get the upgrade to the monthly download allowance  as I was using more than
half the allocated usage at the time. now we can't even come close to
reaching the limit some months

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[Tim Law]

Hello,

I have 5 Mac devices, two PC laptops and occasionally an Xbox, that are 
connected via ethernet or wifi to my home network and to the internet through 
Bigpond Cable. 

I am trying to determine where the main data munchers are, or as least to 
confirm my suspicions that it is the PC laptops with attached 17 and 21yo sons 
playing Starcraft etc. !!

I've not been able to find any software that is effective at monitoring data 
traffic to individual machines.

WebSpy SOHO looks like it might do the job, but is still in development and 
doesn't work on OSX properly yet. 

I would have thought routers would have logged this data, and an app could be 
made to compile this, but apparently it's not that simple

Any tips welcome. 

Ta

Tim


BTW, my neighbour solved this issue with a password change on the router, and 
gifting his three children wireless sticks with one month of data on it. After 
that, they paid for their own!


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