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Hi Jewels Neil, My goodness Neil, I had forgotten I had posted that ;-) The Link in the message for 1. Check your Computer can install run Snow Leopard now takes you to Lion Specifications (as Snow Leopard is not the current OS X). The Specifications for Snow Leopard are: Mac computer with an Intel processor 1GB of memory (but the more RAM you have, the better your Mac’s performance) 5GB of available disk space DVD drive for installation I have just finished a Pages PDF ‘Prepare For And Installation of Snow Leopard’ and have not had time to upload it to my website yet. But I will let the List know when I have, if anyone is interested to download it. Cheers, Ronni On 16/02/2012, at 1:09 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: Jewels, I can only endorse what Ronni says - how would you feel if your hard drive just died (and they do!) Snow Leopard is a great operating system and offers real improvements on Leopard without the learning curve of more radical upgrades. As Ronni says, it is a pain free, very smooth upgrade - just follow the detailed instructions that Ronni gave to the mailing list in Prepare for and Installation of Snow Leopard on 04/04/11: http://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/msg63491.html Backup now! Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 16/2/12 5:40 AM, Ronda Brown at ro...@mac.com wrote: On 15/02/2012, at 11:19 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: I actually have a copy of Snow Leopard, but have never gotten around to upgrading as I find it such a mission to back up etc Oh Jewels, I hope your comment above doesn't mean you are not backing up your Macs? You are only as good as your last backup... The time you don't backup is the time something will go wrong. Upgrading to Snow Leopard is a pain free, very smooth upgrade and well worth it. Snow Leopard was/is a very stable operating system. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Daniel Thanks for the link of Spark, am downloading now and see how I go. Cheers Jewels On 15/02/2012, at 1:25 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Jewels Yes, saw that come in after my forward of the other one. Wasn't sure if you'd seen it, so just in case,.. All good. After flicking over a few more forum posts, I would think yes it has to do with 10.5.8 and the mapping of the keyboard versus the new keyboard layout. From some of the posts here, it seems to suggest similar things. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3233475?start=0tstart=0 http://www.motherboardpoint.com/re-aluminum-keyboard-screwy-mapping-t233096.html https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3365609?start=0tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3440453?start=0tstart=0 They do seem to suggest that on some machines with Leopard (10.5.8) the key mapping doesn't always match and gives differing results. One solution was to download a free program called Spark and remap the keys http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/14352/spark (Amongst other programs, plus that one does more as well) Apparently when the machine was upgraded to 10.6.8 the keyboard did what it was meant to do in relation to the keys. So, not sure if that really helps or solves the problem as such, but gives a bit more idea. I would have read more, but the eyes are tiring after a long day and I'll start seeing double soon...lol. Better finish the other work, before I fall asleep at the desk,...lol. Then Ronni will tell me off :) LOL. Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 15/02/2012, at 1:11 AM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Daniel, I was just answering all the help emails I had received, you should have received my reply by now? CHeers Jewels On 15/02/2012, at 1:00 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote: hi Jewels You may not have seen my post in regards to this as well, so have reposted it again, below. Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** Begin forwarded message: From: Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au Subject: Re: Shift Key Problems Date: 9 February 2012 12:34:02 AM AWST To: wamug@wamug.org.au Reply-To: wamug@wamug.org.au Hi Jewels I'd try the keyboard on another machine and see if it does the same thing (either running 10.5.8 or later OS). If it does, then yes could be something with the keyboard. If it doesn't then it means it's something more software related. What machine is it running on? Do you have any other System Preferences loaded (eg something like USB Overdrive, Logitech Controller or Microsoft Mouse or something like that). (Would normally appear under Others in System Preferences. The old F12 to eject from the Keyboard came from the days when the keyboard didn't have eject, so it would override with the F12 key to do that. So just wondering if something is holding that setting. What was the keyboard for the new one? Was it one of the small little ones, sort of like the current Wireless ones? (well size wise I mean) :o) There were a couple of other things to try, but I don't have it in front me at the moment so will look up later. But see how you go with the above first. Oh, in System Preferences - Keyboard then Keyboard Shortcuts you could click Restore Defaults (incase something in there is holding it over). If you've set your own Keyboard settings, they'll need to be redone as well). (I booted off a laptop I'm working on at the moment from a USB 10.5.8) and plugged in a Keyboard and the keys worked as they should (F10 muted the sound, F11 turned the Sound down, F12 turned the sound up) I'd say PRAM reset, but from memory that doesn't do much for the keyboard,...lol I also had a feeling that some certain hardware with 10.5.8 didn't know how to read the new keyboards correctly. Just trying to find where I had read that, or came across it with a machine I'd once worked on.many moons again,...lol Also have a look in Users/yourname/LibraryKeyboard Layouts. Do you have anything files or anything in there? Let us know how you go, and I'll keep racking my brain while fixing a laptop for a client... ;) Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 08/02/2012, at 10:18 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni Its definitely an apple keyboard, with the figures extension on the side. Using OS 10.5.8 - is it possible for the keyboard to be questionable ? Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 7:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, I have just assumed you are using an Apple Keyboard? The behaviour you are experiencing is making me think you
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Hi Ronni, Thanks for your confirmation. I guess we've learnt something, if nothing else. Yes, over the bug. Cheers Jewels On 15/02/2012, at 5:52 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, It is as I suspected, on your keyboard F12 is capable of 2 functions... a short tap on F12 will open Dashboard and a longer tap on F12 will open the DVD tray. You also have an eject key that also opens the DVD tray. I suspect it only works this way in Leopard and may not on a Snow Leopard machine. Hope you are over the 'Bug'. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 15/02/2012, at 1:08 AM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes the keyboard has an eject key (stubby upward pointing arrow) and acts as an eject key - the same as the F12. However, as you made mention, when I just softly touch the F12 key, dashboard appears. When I hit the F12 key firmly, the eject tray works. Have tried the keyboard on my laptop which has the same OS Leopard - and appears to work the same as on my tower. Thanks Ronni Cheers Jewels On 09/02/2012, at 5:49 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Daniel has replied with more information so I won't repeat what he has mentioned. If you have an Apple Keyboard, it should have a dedicated eject key to open the DVD tray. F12 opens the Dashboard not the DVD tray. Does the keyboard you are using have the 'eject key'? It has a stubby, upward-pointing arrow? I seem to remember an Old G4 with a keyboard that did not have the dedicated 'eject key' and a longer press of f12 key opened the disk drive, and a short press opened dashboard. Try what Daniel has suggested, returning the keyboard settings to default. Also try the keyboard on another Mac. If the function key f12 still doesn't open dashboard and you don't have any software that might be conflicting with keyboard functions, then the keyboard perhaps could be faulty. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 08/02/2012, at 10:18 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Its definitely an apple keyboard, with the figures extension on the side. Using OS 10.5.8 - is it possible for the keyboard to be questionable ? Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 7:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, I have just assumed you are using an Apple Keyboard? The behaviour you are experiencing is making me think you are NOT using an Apple Keyboard. Many third-party Non-Apple keyboards assign the eject function to the F12 key. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 08/02/2012, at 6:46 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Neil I've ticked all all boxes under Keyboard Shortcuts, with the Keyboard - Use All F1, F2 etc ticked, then tried the same with the Use All F1, F2 unticked - still no luck Also have followed Neil's instructions - still no luck. Tried with the fn and F12 keys and the dvd ejects, tried again just F12 and the dvd draw ejects again. Cheers Jewels Hi Jewels, You are in Leopard, so check also in System Preferences Exposé Spaces Exposé … Show Desktop F11 Dashboard … Hide Show F12 Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:26 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, In System Preferences Keyboard select (✔) Use all F1, F2, etc keys as standard functions keys The in System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts select (✔) all the keys. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:19 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni I'm really grateful you give up your time to assist us all - so thank you. Tried F11 F12 together with the FN key, still the same. so went into the Keyboard Shortcuts and unticked F11 F12 and now they do nothing. Sorry I've probably completely misunderstood you ? Don't worry if you are busy right now, I'm sure I can survive Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Sorry Jewels, I’m rushing doing too many things at once today haven’t given you the full details :-( System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts You will notice the key you have been pressing on the keyboard is probably set to ‘Show Desktop’ or ‘Hide Open Windows’ which pushes all open windows to the side and just shows your desktop. Just press it again for all your windows to come back. To use that key to change your sound you need to press the fn key and F12 key. There is nothing wrong with your new Keyboard. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was
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Hi Neil, Yes, my Mac is Intel. Have downloaded Spark and will have a look at it. I actually have a copy of Snow Leopard, but have never gotten around to upgrading as I find it such a mission to back up etc and was hanging off hoping that a new Mac model would become available, but I'm not sure how long I can wait as it has been a few years now since Apple has issued a new Mac Pro model. I am wondering if they've decided not to do so and just concentrate of the iMacs etc. Thanks for your help. Cheers Jewels On 15/02/2012, at 11:05 AM, Neil Houghton wrote: Hi Jewels, So Daniel's research has highlighted the issue which seems to be causing the problem. Is your computer PPC or Intel. If it is PPC then you are stuck at Leopard and would probably have to look at one of the third party solutions Daniel mentions, eg Spark. If it is Intel then you can upgrade to Snow Leopard - Apple still sells Snow Leopard for $39 (free shipping) http://store.apple.com/au/product/MC573Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDAzOA Note that, as I found out when I tried to buy at the Perth AppleStore, you can only buy this from the online store! If you can run Snow Leopard I would definitely recommend it - you won't see big changes (like the SL to Lion transition) but it just works better. However some of the posts seem to suggest this problem was mainly with PPC macs running Leopard - so maybe you are PPC also. You can always try Spark (it is free) several people seem to report it curing the problem. Good luck. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 15/2/12 1:25 AM, Daniel Kerr at wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote: Hi Jewels Yes, saw that come in after my forward of the other one. Wasn't sure if you'd seen it, so just in case,.. All good. After flicking over a few more forum posts, I would think yes it has to do with 10.5.8 and the mapping of the keyboard versus the new keyboard layout. From some of the posts here, it seems to suggest similar things. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3233475?start=0tstart=0 http: //www.motherboardpoint.com/re-aluminum-keyboard-screwy-mapping-t233096.html https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3365609?start=0tstart=0 https://discus sions.apple.com/thread/3440453?start=0tstart=0 They do seem to suggest that on some machines with Leopard (10.5.8) the key mapping doesn't always match and gives differing results. One solution was to download a free program called Spark and remap the keys http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/14352/spark (Amongst other programs, plus that one does more as well) Apparently when the machine was upgraded to 10.6.8 the keyboard did what it was meant to do in relation to the keys. So, not sure if that really helps or solves the problem as such, but gives a bit more idea. I would have read more, but the eyes are tiring after a long day and I'll start seeing double soon...lol. Better finish the other work, before I fall asleep at the desk,...lol. Then Ronni will tell me off :) LOL. Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Shift Key Problems
One solution was to download a free program called Spark and remap the keys http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/14352/spark (Amongst other programs, plus that one does more as well) Try Ukelele, great for remapping keys/creating custom keyboard layouts. http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/14495/ukelele HTH JC -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Thanks JC I see Ukelele has a manual which appears to be detailed. I cannot find a manual for Spark though, so I am lost on that one. I'll try Ukelele over the weekend when I have some free time available. Thanks for your suggestion Jewels On 15/02/2012, at 11:41 PM, Javier Castagnetto wrote: One solution was to download a free program called Spark and remap the keys http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/14352/spark (Amongst other programs, plus that one does more as well) Try Ukelele, great for remapping keys/creating custom keyboard layouts. http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/14495/ukelele HTH JC -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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On 15/02/2012, at 11:19 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: I actually have a copy of Snow Leopard, but have never gotten around to upgrading as I find it such a mission to back up etc Oh Jewels, I hope your comment above doesn't mean you are not backing up your Macs? You are only as good as your last backup... The time you don't backup is the time something will go wrong. Upgrading to Snow Leopard is a pain free, very smooth upgrade and well worth it. Snow Leopard was/is a very stable operating system. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Jewels, I can only endorse what Ronni says - how would you feel if your hard drive just died (and they do!) Snow Leopard is a great operating system and offers real improvements on Leopard without the learning curve of more radical upgrades. As Ronni says, it is a pain free, very smooth upgrade - just follow the detailed instructions that Ronni gave to the mailing list in Prepare for and Installation of Snow Leopard on 04/04/11: http://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/msg63491.html Backup now! Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 16/2/12 5:40 AM, Ronda Brown at ro...@mac.com wrote: On 15/02/2012, at 11:19 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: I actually have a copy of Snow Leopard, but have never gotten around to upgrading as I find it such a mission to back up etc Oh Jewels, I hope your comment above doesn't mean you are not backing up your Macs? You are only as good as your last backup... The time you don't backup is the time something will go wrong. Upgrading to Snow Leopard is a pain free, very smooth upgrade and well worth it. Snow Leopard was/is a very stable operating system. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Neil Ronni, Sorry for my silence, I came down with a nasty bug just before the weekend and the shift key was the last of my worries ! It may be easier if I paste your instructions in some instances, Neil If I understand you, the F12 key is acting as DVD eject under all 4 scenarios ie with/without the box labelled Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys checked and in each case with/without the fn modifier. Yes, that's correct Yes, the eject key (between F12 F13) does also eject DVD The F11 key in all aspects (ie Use All F1, F2 etc) shifts windows to the side F12 - eject F14 - decrease brightness F15 - increase brightness F9 - Expose all windows F10 - Application Window F11 - Desktop As Ronni mentioned I think, if I just tap the F12, it shows the dashboard, but a firm press ejects the DVD. It appears F12 is the only one that reacts this way. Then with box Use all F1, F2 etc unchecked, I get: Nothing for F1, F2, F3, F4, F7, F8, F9 Expose F10 Expose windows F11 Moves to the side (I guess expose desktop) F12 Dashboard. I've also tried these keys with the fn key, but get nothing different. I tried the keyboard on my laptop - only tried the F11 and F12 and get the same. The laptop is also OS Leopard In System preferences/keyboard: - keyboard shortcuts tab - uncheck the dashboard F12 box - keyboard tab - check the box labelledUse all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys - make sure the box labelled Show Keyboard Character Viewer in menu bar is checked At this point the F12 key should do nothing - but in your case is still acting as an eject key. Followed your two points above and Yes F12 is ejecting (and it's Australian) Press the escape key - see how the corresponding key on the keyboard viewer lights up in darker grey. Now press the F12 key - when I do this, the F12 key on the keyboard viewer lights up - it also, depending what program I am in, MAY make the not applicable note (if I am in Finder it does, though if I am in Entourage it doesn't) When YOU do this what happens - do you see the F12 key on the character viewer light up? The Escape key greys out, but the F12 key does nothing. Tried it in Mail and tried in Finder - in both cases, does nothing. If nothing else, I've learnt something here. So, what is the verdict ? Neil Ronni, thanks so much for taking time out for this problem. Cheers Jewels On 13/02/2012, at 10:55 AM, Neil Houghton wrote: Hi Jewels, Did you ever sort out your keyboard problem? If so, what was the actual problem/solution? Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 9/2/12 11:59 AM, Neil Houghton at n...@possumology.com wrote: Hi Jewels, Daniel Ronni have given you lots to work on. I sometimes find it is helpful to really define the extent of the problem so: You are using an Apple Extended Keyboard with the numeric keypad on the right-hand side - so it is wired and not wireless - (this is exactly the same keyboard as I am using). If I understand you, the F12 key is acting as DVD eject under all 4 scenarios ie with/without the box labelled Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys checked and in each case with/without the fn modifier. Does the actual Eject key (between the F12 F13 keys) eject as it should? Is it just the F12 key that is behaving strangely - how are the other F-keys behaving. Assuming all the relevant boxes are ticked in the keyboard shortcuts tab, then standard behaviour is: (A) With box labelled Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys checked then as per the keyboard shortcuts tab, ie: Dashboard - F12 Decrease brightness - F14 Increase Brightness - F15 Expose - All Windows - F9 Expose - Application Windows - F10 Expose - Desktop - F11 (B) With box labelled Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys un-checked then as per the keyboard icons, ie: F1 is decrease brightness F2 is increase brightness F3 is Expose F4 is dashboard F7, F8 F9 are the iTunes controls previous track, play/pause next track F10 is sound mute F11 F12 are volume up/down Other than the F12 key, are all the other keys operating as outlined above? As Daniel says, the best way to rule out a hardware problem is to try another keyboard - however if a similar one is not available then one other thing to try - just as a temporary test - to check the working of the F12 key to try and rule out a hardware problem: In System preferences/keyboard: - keyboard shortcuts tab - uncheck the dashboard F12 box - keyboard tab - check the box labelledUse all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys - make sure the box labelled Show Keyboard Character Viewer in menu bar is checked At this point the F12 key should do nothing - but in your case is still acting as an eject
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Hi Daniel, Yes, did try the keyboard on my laptop, running same software - Leopard. Worked exactly the same. Under Others in Systems Prefs - have Application Enhancer, CNET Tech Tracker, Default Folder X, DIVX, Earthdesk, FlashPlayer, FLip4Mac WMV, Growl, IPliz, MacFuse NetUpdate, NTFS for Mac OSX, Perian, Printopia. The new keyboard is an Apple, wired, with the number pad to the righthand side - exactly the same visually as my old one. Yes, I have restored defaults, I thought the same as yourself. No files in the Keyboard Layouts. I wonder if you may have something though when you mentioned about some hardware with 10.5.8 not recognising the new keyboard. Thanks Daniel Cheers Jewels On 09/02/2012, at 12:34 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Jewels I'd try the keyboard on another machine and see if it does the same thing (either running 10.5.8 or later OS). If it does, then yes could be something with the keyboard. If it doesn't then it means it's something more software related. What machine is it running on? Do you have any other System Preferences loaded (eg something like USB Overdrive, Logitech Controller or Microsoft Mouse or something like that). (Would normally appear under Others in System Preferences. The old F12 to eject from the Keyboard came from the days when the keyboard didn't have eject, so it would override with the F12 key to do that. So just wondering if something is holding that setting. What was the keyboard for the new one? Was it one of the small little ones, sort of like the current Wireless ones? (well size wise I mean) :o) There were a couple of other things to try, but I don't have it in front me at the moment so will look up later. But see how you go with the above first. Oh, in System Preferences - Keyboard then Keyboard Shortcuts you could click Restore Defaults (incase something in there is holding it over). If you've set your own Keyboard settings, they'll need to be redone as well). (I booted off a laptop I'm working on at the moment from a USB 10.5.8) and plugged in a Keyboard and the keys worked as they should (F10 muted the sound, F11 turned the Sound down, F12 turned the sound up) I'd say PRAM reset, but from memory that doesn't do much for the keyboard,...lol I also had a feeling that some certain hardware with 10.5.8 didn't know how to read the new keyboards correctly. Just trying to find where I had read that, or came across it with a machine I'd once worked on.many moons again,...lol Also have a look in Users/yourname/LibraryKeyboard Layouts. Do you have anything files or anything in there? Let us know how you go, and I'll keep racking my brain while fixing a laptop for a client... ;) Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 08/02/2012, at 10:18 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni Its definitely an apple keyboard, with the figures extension on the side. Using OS 10.5.8 - is it possible for the keyboard to be questionable ? Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 7:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, I have just assumed you are using an Apple Keyboard? The behaviour you are experiencing is making me think you are NOT using an Apple Keyboard. Many third-party Non-Apple keyboards assign the eject function to the F12 key. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 08/02/2012, at 6:46 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Neil I've ticked all all boxes under Keyboard Shortcuts, with the Keyboard - Use All F1, F2 etc ticked, then tried the same with the Use All F1, F2 unticked - still no luck Also have followed Neil's instructions - still no luck. Tried with the fn and F12 keys and the dvd ejects, tried again just F12 and the dvd draw ejects again. Cheers Jewels Hi Jewels, You are in Leopard, so check also in System Preferences Exposé Spaces Exposé … Show Desktop F11 Dashboard … Hide Show F12 Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:26 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, In System Preferences Keyboard select (✔) Use all F1, F2, etc keys as standard functions keys The in System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts select (✔) all the keys. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:19 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni I'm really grateful you give up your time to assist us all - so thank you. Tried F11 F12 together with the FN key, still the same. so went into the Keyboard Shortcuts and unticked F11 F12 and now they do nothing. Sorry I've probably completely misunderstood you ? Don't worry if you are busy right now, I'm sure I can survive Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Sorry Jewels, I’m rushing doing too many things at once today haven’t given you the full details :-( System
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Hi Ronni, Yes the keyboard has an eject key (stubby upward pointing arrow) and acts as an eject key - the same as the F12. However, as you made mention, when I just softly touch the F12 key, dashboard appears. When I hit the F12 key firmly, the eject tray works. Have tried the keyboard on my laptop which has the same OS Leopard - and appears to work the same as on my tower. Thanks Ronni Cheers Jewels On 09/02/2012, at 5:49 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Daniel has replied with more information so I won't repeat what he has mentioned. If you have an Apple Keyboard, it should have a dedicated eject key to open the DVD tray. F12 opens the Dashboard not the DVD tray. Does the keyboard you are using have the 'eject key'? It has a stubby, upward-pointing arrow? I seem to remember an Old G4 with a keyboard that did not have the dedicated 'eject key' and a longer press of f12 key opened the disk drive, and a short press opened dashboard. Try what Daniel has suggested, returning the keyboard settings to default. Also try the keyboard on another Mac. If the function key f12 still doesn't open dashboard and you don't have any software that might be conflicting with keyboard functions, then the keyboard perhaps could be faulty. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 08/02/2012, at 10:18 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Its definitely an apple keyboard, with the figures extension on the side. Using OS 10.5.8 - is it possible for the keyboard to be questionable ? Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 7:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, I have just assumed you are using an Apple Keyboard? The behaviour you are experiencing is making me think you are NOT using an Apple Keyboard. Many third-party Non-Apple keyboards assign the eject function to the F12 key. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 08/02/2012, at 6:46 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Neil I've ticked all all boxes under Keyboard Shortcuts, with the Keyboard - Use All F1, F2 etc ticked, then tried the same with the Use All F1, F2 unticked - still no luck Also have followed Neil's instructions - still no luck. Tried with the fn and F12 keys and the dvd ejects, tried again just F12 and the dvd draw ejects again. Cheers Jewels Hi Jewels, You are in Leopard, so check also in System Preferences Exposé Spaces Exposé … Show Desktop F11 Dashboard … Hide Show F12 Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:26 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, In System Preferences Keyboard select (✔) Use all F1, F2, etc keys as standard functions keys The in System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts select (✔) all the keys. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:19 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni I'm really grateful you give up your time to assist us all - so thank you. Tried F11 F12 together with the FN key, still the same. so went into the Keyboard Shortcuts and unticked F11 F12 and now they do nothing. Sorry I've probably completely misunderstood you ? Don't worry if you are busy right now, I'm sure I can survive Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Sorry Jewels, I’m rushing doing too many things at once today haven’t given you the full details :-( System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts You will notice the key you have been pressing on the keyboard is probably set to ‘Show Desktop’ or ‘Hide Open Windows’ which pushes all open windows to the side and just shows your desktop. Just press it again for all your windows to come back. To use that key to change your sound you need to press the fn key and F12 key. There is nothing wrong with your new Keyboard. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Daniel, I was just answering all the help emails I had received, you should have received my reply by now? CHeers Jewels On 15/02/2012, at 1:00 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote: hi Jewels You may not have seen my post in regards to this as well, so have reposted it again, below. Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** Begin forwarded message: From: Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au Subject: Re: Shift Key Problems Date: 9 February 2012 12:34:02 AM AWST To: wamug@wamug.org.au Reply-To: wamug@wamug.org.au Hi Jewels I'd try the keyboard on another machine and see if it does the same thing (either running 10.5.8 or later OS). If it does, then yes could be something with the keyboard. If it doesn't then it means it's something more software related. What machine is it running on? Do you have any other System Preferences loaded (eg something like USB Overdrive, Logitech Controller or Microsoft Mouse or something like that). (Would normally appear under Others in System Preferences. The old F12 to eject from the Keyboard came from the days when the keyboard didn't have eject, so it would override with the F12 key to do that. So just wondering if something is holding that setting. What was the keyboard for the new one? Was it one of the small little ones, sort of like the current Wireless ones? (well size wise I mean) :o) There were a couple of other things to try, but I don't have it in front me at the moment so will look up later. But see how you go with the above first. Oh, in System Preferences - Keyboard then Keyboard Shortcuts you could click Restore Defaults (incase something in there is holding it over). If you've set your own Keyboard settings, they'll need to be redone as well). (I booted off a laptop I'm working on at the moment from a USB 10.5.8) and plugged in a Keyboard and the keys worked as they should (F10 muted the sound, F11 turned the Sound down, F12 turned the sound up) I'd say PRAM reset, but from memory that doesn't do much for the keyboard,...lol I also had a feeling that some certain hardware with 10.5.8 didn't know how to read the new keyboards correctly. Just trying to find where I had read that, or came across it with a machine I'd once worked on.many moons again,...lol Also have a look in Users/yourname/LibraryKeyboard Layouts. Do you have anything files or anything in there? Let us know how you go, and I'll keep racking my brain while fixing a laptop for a client... ;) Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 08/02/2012, at 10:18 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni Its definitely an apple keyboard, with the figures extension on the side. Using OS 10.5.8 - is it possible for the keyboard to be questionable ? Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 7:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, I have just assumed you are using an Apple Keyboard? The behaviour you are experiencing is making me think you are NOT using an Apple Keyboard. Many third-party Non-Apple keyboards assign the eject function to the F12 key. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 08/02/2012, at 6:46 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Neil I've ticked all all boxes under Keyboard Shortcuts, with the Keyboard - Use All F1, F2 etc ticked, then tried the same with the Use All F1, F2 unticked - still no luck Also have followed Neil's instructions - still no luck. Tried with the fn and F12 keys and the dvd ejects, tried again just F12 and the dvd draw ejects again. Cheers Jewels Hi Jewels, You are in Leopard, so check also in System Preferences Exposé Spaces Exposé … Show Desktop F11 Dashboard … Hide Show F12 Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:26 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, In System Preferences Keyboard select (✔) Use all F1, F2, etc keys as standard functions keys The in System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts select (✔) all the keys. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:19 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni I'm really grateful you give up your time to assist us all - so thank you. Tried F11 F12 together with the FN key, still the same. so went into the Keyboard Shortcuts and unticked F11 F12 and now they do nothing. Sorry I've probably completely misunderstood you ? Don't worry if you are busy right now, I'm sure I can survive Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Sorry Jewels, I’m rushing doing too many things at once today haven’t given you the full details :-( System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts You will notice the key you have been pressing
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Hi Jewels Yes, saw that come in after my forward of the other one. Wasn't sure if you'd seen it, so just in case,.. All good. After flicking over a few more forum posts, I would think yes it has to do with 10.5.8 and the mapping of the keyboard versus the new keyboard layout. From some of the posts here, it seems to suggest similar things. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3233475?start=0tstart=0 http://www.motherboardpoint.com/re-aluminum-keyboard-screwy-mapping-t233096.html https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3365609?start=0tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3440453?start=0tstart=0 They do seem to suggest that on some machines with Leopard (10.5.8) the key mapping doesn't always match and gives differing results. One solution was to download a free program called Spark and remap the keys http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/14352/spark (Amongst other programs, plus that one does more as well) Apparently when the machine was upgraded to 10.6.8 the keyboard did what it was meant to do in relation to the keys. So, not sure if that really helps or solves the problem as such, but gives a bit more idea. I would have read more, but the eyes are tiring after a long day and I'll start seeing double soon...lol. Better finish the other work, before I fall asleep at the desk,...lol. Then Ronni will tell me off :) LOL. Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 15/02/2012, at 1:11 AM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Daniel, I was just answering all the help emails I had received, you should have received my reply by now? CHeers Jewels On 15/02/2012, at 1:00 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote: hi Jewels You may not have seen my post in regards to this as well, so have reposted it again, below. Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** Begin forwarded message: From: Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au Subject: Re: Shift Key Problems Date: 9 February 2012 12:34:02 AM AWST To: wamug@wamug.org.au Reply-To: wamug@wamug.org.au Hi Jewels I'd try the keyboard on another machine and see if it does the same thing (either running 10.5.8 or later OS). If it does, then yes could be something with the keyboard. If it doesn't then it means it's something more software related. What machine is it running on? Do you have any other System Preferences loaded (eg something like USB Overdrive, Logitech Controller or Microsoft Mouse or something like that). (Would normally appear under Others in System Preferences. The old F12 to eject from the Keyboard came from the days when the keyboard didn't have eject, so it would override with the F12 key to do that. So just wondering if something is holding that setting. What was the keyboard for the new one? Was it one of the small little ones, sort of like the current Wireless ones? (well size wise I mean) :o) There were a couple of other things to try, but I don't have it in front me at the moment so will look up later. But see how you go with the above first. Oh, in System Preferences - Keyboard then Keyboard Shortcuts you could click Restore Defaults (incase something in there is holding it over). If you've set your own Keyboard settings, they'll need to be redone as well). (I booted off a laptop I'm working on at the moment from a USB 10.5.8) and plugged in a Keyboard and the keys worked as they should (F10 muted the sound, F11 turned the Sound down, F12 turned the sound up) I'd say PRAM reset, but from memory that doesn't do much for the keyboard,...lol I also had a feeling that some certain hardware with 10.5.8 didn't know how to read the new keyboards correctly. Just trying to find where I had read that, or came across it with a machine I'd once worked on.many moons again,...lol Also have a look in Users/yourname/LibraryKeyboard Layouts. Do you have anything files or anything in there? Let us know how you go, and I'll keep racking my brain while fixing a laptop for a client... ;) Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 08/02/2012, at 10:18 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni Its definitely an apple keyboard, with the figures extension on the side. Using OS 10.5.8 - is it possible for the keyboard to be questionable ? Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 7:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, I have just assumed you are using an Apple Keyboard? The behaviour you are experiencing is making me think you are NOT using an Apple Keyboard. Many third-party Non-Apple keyboards assign the eject function
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Thanks Daniel, You really are a night owl - I'll have a look at your suggestions tomorrow, as my eyes too are shrinking. Don't work too late Cheers Jewels On 15/02/2012, at 1:25 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Jewels Yes, saw that come in after my forward of the other one. Wasn't sure if you'd seen it, so just in case,.. All good. After flicking over a few more forum posts, I would think yes it has to do with 10.5.8 and the mapping of the keyboard versus the new keyboard layout. From some of the posts here, it seems to suggest similar things. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3233475?start=0tstart=0 http://www.motherboardpoint.com/re-aluminum-keyboard-screwy-mapping-t233096.html https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3365609?start=0tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3440453?start=0tstart=0 They do seem to suggest that on some machines with Leopard (10.5.8) the key mapping doesn't always match and gives differing results. One solution was to download a free program called Spark and remap the keys http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/14352/spark (Amongst other programs, plus that one does more as well) Apparently when the machine was upgraded to 10.6.8 the keyboard did what it was meant to do in relation to the keys. So, not sure if that really helps or solves the problem as such, but gives a bit more idea. I would have read more, but the eyes are tiring after a long day and I'll start seeing double soon...lol. Better finish the other work, before I fall asleep at the desk,...lol. Then Ronni will tell me off :) LOL. Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 15/02/2012, at 1:11 AM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Daniel, I was just answering all the help emails I had received, you should have received my reply by now? CHeers Jewels On 15/02/2012, at 1:00 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote: hi Jewels You may not have seen my post in regards to this as well, so have reposted it again, below. Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** Begin forwarded message: From: Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au Subject: Re: Shift Key Problems Date: 9 February 2012 12:34:02 AM AWST To: wamug@wamug.org.au Reply-To: wamug@wamug.org.au Hi Jewels I'd try the keyboard on another machine and see if it does the same thing (either running 10.5.8 or later OS). If it does, then yes could be something with the keyboard. If it doesn't then it means it's something more software related. What machine is it running on? Do you have any other System Preferences loaded (eg something like USB Overdrive, Logitech Controller or Microsoft Mouse or something like that). (Would normally appear under Others in System Preferences. The old F12 to eject from the Keyboard came from the days when the keyboard didn't have eject, so it would override with the F12 key to do that. So just wondering if something is holding that setting. What was the keyboard for the new one? Was it one of the small little ones, sort of like the current Wireless ones? (well size wise I mean) :o) There were a couple of other things to try, but I don't have it in front me at the moment so will look up later. But see how you go with the above first. Oh, in System Preferences - Keyboard then Keyboard Shortcuts you could click Restore Defaults (incase something in there is holding it over). If you've set your own Keyboard settings, they'll need to be redone as well). (I booted off a laptop I'm working on at the moment from a USB 10.5.8) and plugged in a Keyboard and the keys worked as they should (F10 muted the sound, F11 turned the Sound down, F12 turned the sound up) I'd say PRAM reset, but from memory that doesn't do much for the keyboard,...lol I also had a feeling that some certain hardware with 10.5.8 didn't know how to read the new keyboards correctly. Just trying to find where I had read that, or came across it with a machine I'd once worked on.many moons again,...lol Also have a look in Users/yourname/LibraryKeyboard Layouts. Do you have anything files or anything in there? Let us know how you go, and I'll keep racking my brain while fixing a laptop for a client... ;) Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 08/02/2012, at 10:18 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni Its definitely an apple keyboard, with the figures extension on the side. Using OS 10.5.8 - is it possible for the keyboard to be questionable ? Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 7:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, I have just assumed you are using an Apple
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lol yes,...20+ hour days are starting to be the norm now,..lol. I think my body is just used to it, that it tends to think that's normal,..so it keeps on going. But yes, thanks. Will try not work too late,..lol And hopefully something in there may shed some light. Will post back if I turn up something else in my travels. Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 15/02/2012, at 1:31 AM, Julie Bedford wrote: Thanks Daniel, You really are a night owl - I'll have a look at your suggestions tomorrow, as my eyes too are shrinking. Don't work too late Cheers Jewels On 15/02/2012, at 1:25 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Jewels Yes, saw that come in after my forward of the other one. Wasn't sure if you'd seen it, so just in case,.. All good. After flicking over a few more forum posts, I would think yes it has to do with 10.5.8 and the mapping of the keyboard versus the new keyboard layout. From some of the posts here, it seems to suggest similar things. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3233475?start=0tstart=0 http://www.motherboardpoint.com/re-aluminum-keyboard-screwy-mapping-t233096.html https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3365609?start=0tstart=0 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3440453?start=0tstart=0 They do seem to suggest that on some machines with Leopard (10.5.8) the key mapping doesn't always match and gives differing results. One solution was to download a free program called Spark and remap the keys http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/14352/spark (Amongst other programs, plus that one does more as well) Apparently when the machine was upgraded to 10.6.8 the keyboard did what it was meant to do in relation to the keys. So, not sure if that really helps or solves the problem as such, but gives a bit more idea. I would have read more, but the eyes are tiring after a long day and I'll start seeing double soon...lol. Better finish the other work, before I fall asleep at the desk,...lol. Then Ronni will tell me off :) LOL. Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 15/02/2012, at 1:11 AM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Daniel, I was just answering all the help emails I had received, you should have received my reply by now? CHeers Jewels On 15/02/2012, at 1:00 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote: hi Jewels You may not have seen my post in regards to this as well, so have reposted it again, below. Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** Begin forwarded message: From: Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au Subject: Re: Shift Key Problems Date: 9 February 2012 12:34:02 AM AWST To: wamug@wamug.org.au Reply-To: wamug@wamug.org.au Hi Jewels I'd try the keyboard on another machine and see if it does the same thing (either running 10.5.8 or later OS). If it does, then yes could be something with the keyboard. If it doesn't then it means it's something more software related. What machine is it running on? Do you have any other System Preferences loaded (eg something like USB Overdrive, Logitech Controller or Microsoft Mouse or something like that). (Would normally appear under Others in System Preferences. The old F12 to eject from the Keyboard came from the days when the keyboard didn't have eject, so it would override with the F12 key to do that. So just wondering if something is holding that setting. What was the keyboard for the new one? Was it one of the small little ones, sort of like the current Wireless ones? (well size wise I mean) :o) There were a couple of other things to try, but I don't have it in front me at the moment so will look up later. But see how you go with the above first. Oh, in System Preferences - Keyboard then Keyboard Shortcuts you could click Restore Defaults (incase something in there is holding it over). If you've set your own Keyboard settings, they'll need to be redone as well). (I booted off a laptop I'm working on at the moment from a USB 10.5.8) and plugged in a Keyboard and the keys worked as they should (F10 muted the sound, F11 turned the Sound down, F12 turned the sound up) I'd say PRAM reset, but from memory that doesn't do much for the keyboard,...lol I also had a feeling that some certain hardware with 10.5.8 didn't know how to read the new keyboards correctly. Just trying to find where I had read that, or came across it with a machine I'd once worked on.many moons again,...lol Also have a look in Users/yourname/LibraryKeyboard Layouts. Do you have anything files or anything in there? Let us know how you
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Hi Jewels, It is as I suspected, on your keyboard F12 is capable of 2 functions... a short tap on F12 will open Dashboard and a longer tap on F12 will open the DVD tray. You also have an eject key that also opens the DVD tray. I suspect it only works this way in Leopard and may not on a Snow Leopard machine. Hope you are over the 'Bug'. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 15/02/2012, at 1:08 AM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes the keyboard has an eject key (stubby upward pointing arrow) and acts as an eject key - the same as the F12. However, as you made mention, when I just softly touch the F12 key, dashboard appears. When I hit the F12 key firmly, the eject tray works. Have tried the keyboard on my laptop which has the same OS Leopard - and appears to work the same as on my tower. Thanks Ronni Cheers Jewels On 09/02/2012, at 5:49 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Daniel has replied with more information so I won't repeat what he has mentioned. If you have an Apple Keyboard, it should have a dedicated eject key to open the DVD tray. F12 opens the Dashboard not the DVD tray. Does the keyboard you are using have the 'eject key'? It has a stubby, upward-pointing arrow? I seem to remember an Old G4 with a keyboard that did not have the dedicated 'eject key' and a longer press of f12 key opened the disk drive, and a short press opened dashboard. Try what Daniel has suggested, returning the keyboard settings to default. Also try the keyboard on another Mac. If the function key f12 still doesn't open dashboard and you don't have any software that might be conflicting with keyboard functions, then the keyboard perhaps could be faulty. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 08/02/2012, at 10:18 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Its definitely an apple keyboard, with the figures extension on the side. Using OS 10.5.8 - is it possible for the keyboard to be questionable ? Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 7:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, I have just assumed you are using an Apple Keyboard? The behaviour you are experiencing is making me think you are NOT using an Apple Keyboard. Many third-party Non-Apple keyboards assign the eject function to the F12 key. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 08/02/2012, at 6:46 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Neil I've ticked all all boxes under Keyboard Shortcuts, with the Keyboard - Use All F1, F2 etc ticked, then tried the same with the Use All F1, F2 unticked - still no luck Also have followed Neil's instructions - still no luck. Tried with the fn and F12 keys and the dvd ejects, tried again just F12 and the dvd draw ejects again. Cheers Jewels Hi Jewels, You are in Leopard, so check also in System Preferences Exposé Spaces Exposé … Show Desktop F11 Dashboard … Hide Show F12 Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:26 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, In System Preferences Keyboard select (✔) Use all F1, F2, etc keys as standard functions keys The in System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts select (✔) all the keys. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:19 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni I'm really grateful you give up your time to assist us all - so thank you. Tried F11 F12 together with the FN key, still the same. so went into the Keyboard Shortcuts and unticked F11 F12 and now they do nothing. Sorry I've probably completely misunderstood you ? Don't worry if you are busy right now, I'm sure I can survive Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Sorry Jewels, I’m rushing doing too many things at once today haven’t given you the full details :-( System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts You will notice the key you have been pressing on the keyboard is probably set to ‘Show Desktop’ or ‘Hide Open Windows’ which pushes all open windows to the side and just shows your desktop. Just press it again for all your windows to come back. To use that key to change your sound you need to press the fn key and F12 key. There is nothing wrong with your new Keyboard. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels
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Hi Jewels, So Daniel's research has highlighted the issue which seems to be causing the problem. Is your computer PPC or Intel. If it is PPC then you are stuck at Leopard and would probably have to look at one of the third party solutions Daniel mentions, eg Spark. If it is Intel then you can upgrade to Snow Leopard - Apple still sells Snow Leopard for $39 (free shipping) http://store.apple.com/au/product/MC573Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDAzOA Note that, as I found out when I tried to buy at the Perth AppleStore, you can only buy this from the online store! If you can run Snow Leopard I would definitely recommend it - you won't see big changes (like the SL to Lion transition) but it just works better. However some of the posts seem to suggest this problem was mainly with PPC macs running Leopard - so maybe you are PPC also. You can always try Spark (it is free) several people seem to report it curing the problem. Good luck. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 15/2/12 1:25 AM, Daniel Kerr at wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote: Hi Jewels Yes, saw that come in after my forward of the other one. Wasn't sure if you'd seen it, so just in case,.. All good. After flicking over a few more forum posts, I would think yes it has to do with 10.5.8 and the mapping of the keyboard versus the new keyboard layout. From some of the posts here, it seems to suggest similar things. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3233475?start=0tstart=0 http: //www.motherboardpoint.com/re-aluminum-keyboard-screwy-mapping-t233096.html https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3365609?start=0tstart=0 https://discus sions.apple.com/thread/3440453?start=0tstart=0 They do seem to suggest that on some machines with Leopard (10.5.8) the key mapping doesn't always match and gives differing results. One solution was to download a free program called Spark and remap the keys http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/14352/spark (Amongst other programs, plus that one does more as well) Apparently when the machine was upgraded to 10.6.8 the keyboard did what it was meant to do in relation to the keys. So, not sure if that really helps or solves the problem as such, but gives a bit more idea. I would have read more, but the eyes are tiring after a long day and I'll start seeing double soon...lol. Better finish the other work, before I fall asleep at the desk,...lol. Then Ronni will tell me off :) LOL. Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Jewels, Did you ever sort out your keyboard problem? If so, what was the actual problem/solution? Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 9/2/12 11:59 AM, Neil Houghton at n...@possumology.com wrote: Hi Jewels, Daniel Ronni have given you lots to work on. I sometimes find it is helpful to really define the extent of the problem so: You are using an Apple Extended Keyboard with the numeric keypad on the right-hand side - so it is wired and not wireless - (this is exactly the same keyboard as I am using). If I understand you, the F12 key is acting as DVD eject under all 4 scenarios ie with/without the box labelled Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys checked and in each case with/without the fn modifier. Does the actual Eject key (between the F12 F13 keys) eject as it should? Is it just the F12 key that is behaving strangely - how are the other F-keys behaving. Assuming all the relevant boxes are ticked in the keyboard shortcuts tab, then standard behaviour is: (A) With box labelled Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys checked then as per the keyboard shortcuts tab, ie: Dashboard - F12 Decrease brightness - F14 Increase Brightness - F15 Expose - All Windows - F9 Expose - Application Windows - F10 Expose - Desktop - F11 (B) With box labelled Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys un-checked then as per the keyboard icons, ie: F1 is decrease brightness F2 is increase brightness F3 is Expose F4 is dashboard F7, F8 F9 are the iTunes controls previous track, play/pause next track F10 is sound mute F11 F12 are volume up/down Other than the F12 key, are all the other keys operating as outlined above? As Daniel says, the best way to rule out a hardware problem is to try another keyboard - however if a similar one is not available then one other thing to try - just as a temporary test - to check the working of the F12 key to try and rule out a hardware problem: In System preferences/keyboard: - keyboard shortcuts tab - uncheck the dashboard F12 box - keyboard tab - check the box labelledUse all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys - make sure the box labelled Show Keyboard Character Viewer in menu bar is checked At this point the F12 key should do nothing - but in your case is still acting as an eject key. From the menu bar Keyboard Character Viewer select Show Keyboard Viewer which opens the keyboard viewer. You should now see a representation of your keyboard which should say Australian at the top (assuming you have chosen the Australian keyboard layout). Now: Press the escape key - see how the corresponding key on the keyboard viewer lights up in darker grey. Now press the F12 key - when I do this, the F12 key on the keyboard viewer lights up - it also, depending what program I am in, MAY make the not applicable note (if I am in Finder it does, though if I am in Entourage it doesn't) When YOU do this what happens - do you see the F12 key on the character viewer light up? After this test put your keyboard settings back - ie re-check the F12 box and set the box labelled Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys to your preferred behaviour. A better understanding of all the above behaviours may help to narrow down the problem. Cheers Neil -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Bill, You're welcome, I'm always happy to help you if I can. Bad luck on the power outage, did you have your Mac connected to a Belkin Surge Board? It should have protected your Mac? Good thing you had a backup! Did you get everything back from TM ... All your mail documents etc? It did sound like you had some corruption on your drive, I would have expected Disk Warrior to have been able to fix it though. Thanks for letting us know the outcome. Kind Regards, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 09/02/2012, at 3:48 PM, William Chesnutt chesn...@it.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Thank you for all your helpful suggestions. After playing around, unsuccessfully, with various possible fixes I finally decided that the problem may lie in some disk corruption, as I had a power outage last week while the computer was running. After trying all the usual fixes (Disk Utility, Disk Warrior, Onyx, and even the zapping the Pram) with no success; I resorted to using Time Machine to restore the system as it was last week and then copied over my documents folder. As at the time of writing, everything seems to be back to normal. Thanks again for your assistance. Regards, Bill Chesnutt. On 09/02/2012, at 9:59 am, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, I truly haven’t forgotten about you ;-) You might have missed my reply below with us helping Jewels under the same subject heading. I haven’t stopped trying to help you as well ;-) Make sure you still have Substitutions activated in TextEdit and Smart Quotes turned ON. Go to Edit Substitutions, and turn on Smart Quotes. This works in Mail, TextEdit, Safari, and some other core apps. To type a curly quote on the Mac, it’s Option + [ for the opening double quote, and Option + Shift + [ for the closing double quote . eg: “ this is a double-quote” Replace with ] for a single curly quote. eg: ‘this is a single curly quote’ Let us know how you are getting on. We can’t help if you don’t get back to us ;-) Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 3:14 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, I haven’t forgotten about you, I’m busy with Clients work today and only jump back to WAMUG when I’m able to. This is weird… has it only happened after you installed something, or an update? Have you tried in another User Account to see if it is only related to your User Account? Is it happening only in TextEdit or is it happening in other word processing applications? If it is happening only in TextEdit, try deleting its Preference file. Quit TextEdit Go to ~Library Preferences - com.apple.TextEdit.plist (~ is your User Library) Drag the preference file to the trash Open TextEdit You will need to set any preferences you had that were not default. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:57 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi Ronni, Thanks for your quick reply. Unfortunately, that's not the answer - sticky keys is definitely switched off. Since my last post, I have also noticed that “shift-double quote also appears to cause a problem, it wants to open up a locked AppleWorks document. This is all very puzzling, but I appreciate your assistance. Regards, Bill Chesnutt. On 08/02/2012, at 12:47 pm, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, You don’t happen to have ‘Sticky Keys’ ON in System Preferences Universal Access - Keyboard? Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:16 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi List, I am running 10.6.8 on a Mac Pro. My system has started behaving oddly. When I am typing in a word processing document and use the shift key with either an “i or an “r I get unexpected (and unwanted) behaviour. In the case of “i the machine brings the finder up as the frontmost application. In the case of “r it opens a folder on my desktop for Accounts Receivable. I do not recollect that either of these things occurred in the past. I haven't modified any settings or done anything else that I know of to cause this. I have looked at all the Preference settings, especially Keyboard Shortcuts, but can't find a way to turn this behaviour off. Can anybody shed any light on this for me? Thanks. Regards, Bill Chesnutt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe -
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Sorry Jewels, I’m rushing doing too many things at once today haven’t given you the full details :-( System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts You will notice the key you have been pressing on the keyboard is probably set to ‘Show Desktop’ or ‘Hide Open Windows’ which pushes all open windows to the side and just shows your desktop. Just press it again for all your windows to come back. To use that key to change your sound you need to press the fn key and F12 key. There is nothing wrong with your new Keyboard. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Ronni, I am ashamed to say I am using Leopard (10.5.8). Just had a look at the Keyboard in Systems Preferences (never realised this existed !) Turned off F12 which is the dashboard. Any ideas on how I can change F11 and F12 to be volume up and volume down (as the little pictures on the key indicates). I haven't upgraded my OS yet as waiting for the new Mac tower to become available, but it appears they may not bring out a new model as it's been years since the last model. Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 12:57 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi Ronni, Thanks for your quick reply. Unfortunately, that's not the answer - sticky keys is definitely switched off. Since my last post, I have also noticed that “shift-double quote also appears to cause a problem, it wants to open up a locked AppleWorks document. This is all very puzzling, but I appreciate your assistance. Regards, Bill Chesnutt. On 08/02/2012, at 12:47 pm, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, You don’t happen to have ‘Sticky Keys’ ON in System Preferences Universal Access - Keyboard? Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:16 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi List, I am running 10.6.8 on a Mac Pro. My system has started behaving oddly. When I am typing in a word processing document and use the shift key with either an “i or an “r I get unexpected (and unwanted) behaviour. In the case of “i the machine brings the finder up as the frontmost application. In the case of “r it opens a folder on my desktop for Accounts Receivable. I do not recollect that either of these things occurred in the past. I haven't modified any settings or done anything else that I know of to cause this. I have looked at all the Preference settings, especially Keyboard Shortcuts, but can't find a way to turn this behaviour off. Can anybody shed any light on this for me? Thanks. Regards, Bill Chesnutt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hey Jewels, Our emails crossed in cyberspace :-) Turn F12 back on and then to use that key to turn up your sound just press the fn key and F12 key. Then when you just press F12 you will get dashboard When you press fn F12 keys you will turn up your sound. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni, I am ashamed to say I am using Leopard (10.5.8). Just had a look at the Keyboard in Systems Preferences (never realised this existed !) Turned off F12 which is the dashboard. Any ideas on how I can change F11 and F12 to be volume up and volume down (as the little pictures on the key indicates). I haven't upgraded my OS yet as waiting for the new Mac tower to become available, but it appears they may not bring out a new model as it's been years since the last model. Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 12:57 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi Ronni, Thanks for your quick reply. Unfortunately, that's not the answer - sticky keys is definitely switched off. Since my last post, I have also noticed that “shift-double quote also appears to cause a problem, it wants to open up a locked AppleWorks document. This is all very puzzling, but I appreciate your assistance. Regards, Bill Chesnutt. On 08/02/2012, at 12:47 pm, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, You don’t happen to have ‘Sticky Keys’ ON in System Preferences Universal Access - Keyboard? Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:16 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi List, I am running 10.6.8 on a Mac Pro. My system has started behaving oddly. When I am typing in a word processing document and use the shift key with either an “i or an “r I get unexpected (and unwanted) behaviour. In the case of “i the machine brings the finder up as the frontmost application. In the case of “r it opens a folder on my desktop for Accounts Receivable. I do not recollect that either of these things occurred in the past. I haven't modified any settings or done anything else that I know of to cause this. I have looked at all the Preference settings, especially Keyboard Shortcuts, but can't find a way to turn this behaviour off. Can anybody shed any light on this for me? Thanks. Regards, Bill Chesnutt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Ronni I'm really grateful you give up your time to assist us all - so thank you. Tried F11 F12 together with the FN key, still the same. so went into the Keyboard Shortcuts and unticked F11 F12 and now they do nothing. Sorry I've probably completely misunderstood you ? Don't worry if you are busy right now, I'm sure I can survive Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Sorry Jewels, I’m rushing doing too many things at once today haven’t given you the full details :-( System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts You will notice the key you have been pressing on the keyboard is probably set to ‘Show Desktop’ or ‘Hide Open Windows’ which pushes all open windows to the side and just shows your desktop. Just press it again for all your windows to come back. To use that key to change your sound you need to press the fn key and F12 key. There is nothing wrong with your new Keyboard. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Ronni, Followed your instructions, put the keyboard (in Systems Prefs) back to where it was. Pressed fn and f12 together and the dvd drawer comes out. Sorry if this is confusing. Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 4:07 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hey Jewels, Our emails crossed in cyberspace :-) Turn F12 back on and then to use that key to turn up your sound just press the fn key and F12 key. Then when you just press F12 you will get dashboard When you press fn F12 keys you will turn up your sound. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni, I am ashamed to say I am using Leopard (10.5.8). Just had a look at the Keyboard in Systems Preferences (never realised this existed !) Turned off F12 which is the dashboard. Any ideas on how I can change F11 and F12 to be volume up and volume down (as the little pictures on the key indicates). I haven't upgraded my OS yet as waiting for the new Mac tower to become available, but it appears they may not bring out a new model as it's been years since the last model. Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 12:57 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi Ronni, Thanks for your quick reply. Unfortunately, that's not the answer - sticky keys is definitely switched off. Since my last post, I have also noticed that “shift-double quote also appears to cause a problem, it wants to open up a locked AppleWorks document. This is all very puzzling, but I appreciate your assistance. Regards, Bill Chesnutt. On 08/02/2012, at 12:47 pm, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, You don’t happen to have ‘Sticky Keys’ ON in System Preferences Universal Access - Keyboard? Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:16 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi List, I am running 10.6.8 on a Mac Pro. My system has started behaving oddly. When I am typing in a word processing document and use the shift key with either an “i or an “r I get unexpected (and unwanted) behaviour. In the case of “i the machine brings the finder up as the frontmost application. In the case of “r it opens a folder on my desktop for Accounts Receivable. I do not recollect that either of these things occurred in the past. I haven't modified any settings or done anything else that I know of to cause this. I have looked at all the Preference settings, especially Keyboard Shortcuts, but can't find a way to turn this behaviour off. Can anybody shed any light on this for me? Thanks. Regards, Bill Chesnutt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Jewels, In System Preferences Keyboard select (✔) Use all F1, F2, etc keys as standard functions keys The in System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts select (✔) all the keys. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:19 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni I'm really grateful you give up your time to assist us all - so thank you. Tried F11 F12 together with the FN key, still the same. so went into the Keyboard Shortcuts and unticked F11 F12 and now they do nothing. Sorry I've probably completely misunderstood you ? Don't worry if you are busy right now, I'm sure I can survive Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Sorry Jewels, I’m rushing doing too many things at once today haven’t given you the full details :-( System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts You will notice the key you have been pressing on the keyboard is probably set to ‘Show Desktop’ or ‘Hide Open Windows’ which pushes all open windows to the side and just shows your desktop. Just press it again for all your windows to come back. To use that key to change your sound you need to press the fn key and F12 key. There is nothing wrong with your new Keyboard. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Jewels, You are in Leopard, so check also in System Preferences Exposé Spaces Exposé … Show Desktop F11 Dashboard … Hide Show F12 Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:26 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, In System Preferences Keyboard select (✔) Use all F1, F2, etc keys as standard functions keys The in System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts select (✔) all the keys. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:19 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni I'm really grateful you give up your time to assist us all - so thank you. Tried F11 F12 together with the FN key, still the same. so went into the Keyboard Shortcuts and unticked F11 F12 and now they do nothing. Sorry I've probably completely misunderstood you ? Don't worry if you are busy right now, I'm sure I can survive Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Sorry Jewels, I’m rushing doing too many things at once today haven’t given you the full details :-( System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts You will notice the key you have been pressing on the keyboard is probably set to ‘Show Desktop’ or ‘Hide Open Windows’ which pushes all open windows to the side and just shows your desktop. Just press it again for all your windows to come back. To use that key to change your sound you need to press the fn key and F12 key. There is nothing wrong with your new Keyboard. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Jewels, If I understand you correctly, you are running 10.5.8 and would like the keys on your (older) keyboard to perform the functions as indicated on the keys - rather than the newer function allocations. It should be possible - I am running Snow Leopard 10.6.8 and my keyboard works as it has always done, eg: F1 is decrease brightness F2 is increase brightness F3 is Expose F4 is dashboard F5 f6 currently unallocated F7, F8 F9 are the iTunes controls previous track, play/pause next track F10 is sound mute F11 F12 are volume up/down F13 to F19 are currently unallocated. However, this is not as set by the System Preferences/ Keyboard Shortcuts as when I check there it shows the settings as (I think) you are seeing/finding (and as Ronni refers to) ie: Dashboard - F12 Decrease brightness - F14 Increase Brightness - F15 Expose - All Windows - F9 Expose - Application Windows - F10 Expose - Desktop - F11 Note all these boxes are ticked. I think the setting you are looking for is in System preferences under the main Keyboard tab - where you see a box labelled Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys I have this box unticked - I suspect you have this box ticked. If you untick it, you should get your old behaviour back and, in this case, the fn key takes you to the other function - eg My settings (with the box unticked) F12 - increase sound Fn F12 - Dashboard Your current settings (with the box ticked) F12 - Dashboard Fn F12 - increase sound I hope the above makes sense ;o) Different people obviously prefer the function keys to operate differently - but at least Apple gives you the option to choose! I'm with you on this - I like the function keys to perform as per the printed icons and I am happy to press the fn key to get the other function set (though I very rarely actually do this). To summarise, in System Preference/Keyboard, try the following: Under the keyboard shortcuts tab - make sure you have all the relevant F key boxes checked Under the keyboard tab - uncheck the box labelled Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys I believe this will return you to the behaviour you desire. HTH Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 8/2/12 4:07 PM, Ronda Brown at ro...@mac.com wrote: Hey Jewels, Our emails crossed in cyberspace :-) Turn F12 back on and then to use that key to turn up your sound just press the fn key and F12 key. Then when you just press F12 you will get dashboard When you press fn F12 keys you will turn up your sound. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni, I am ashamed to say I am using Leopard (10.5.8). Just had a look at the Keyboard in Systems Preferences (never realised this existed !) Turned off F12 which is the dashboard. Any ideas on how I can change F11 and F12 to be volume up and volume down (as the little pictures on the key indicates). I haven't upgraded my OS yet as waiting for the new Mac tower to become available, but it appears they may not bring out a new model as it's been years since the last model. Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 12:57 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi Ronni, Thanks for your quick reply. Unfortunately, that's not the answer - sticky keys is definitely switched off. Since my last post, I have also noticed that ³shift-double quote also appears to cause a problem, it wants to open up a locked AppleWorks document. This is all very puzzling, but I appreciate your assistance. Regards, Bill Chesnutt. On 08/02/2012, at 12:47 pm, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, You don¹t happen to have Sticky Keys¹ ON in System Preferences Universal Access - Keyboard? Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:16 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi List, I am running 10.6.8 on a Mac Pro. My system has started behaving oddly. When I am typing in a word processing document and use the shift key with either an ³i or an ³r I get unexpected (and unwanted) behaviour. In the case of ³i the machine brings the finder up as the frontmost application. In the case of ³r it opens a folder on my desktop for Accounts Receivable. I do not recollect that either of these things occurred in the past. I haven't modified any
Re: Shift Key Problems
Hi Ronni Neil I've ticked all all boxes under Keyboard Shortcuts, with the Keyboard - Use All F1, F2 etc ticked, then tried the same with the Use All F1, F2 unticked - still no luck Also have followed Neil's instructions - still no luck. Tried with the fn and F12 keys and the dvd ejects, tried again just F12 and the dvd draw ejects again. Cheers Jewels Hi Jewels, You are in Leopard, so check also in System Preferences Exposé Spaces Exposé … Show Desktop F11 Dashboard … Hide Show F12 Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:26 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, In System Preferences Keyboard select (✔) Use all F1, F2, etc keys as standard functions keys The in System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts select (✔) all the keys. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:19 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni I'm really grateful you give up your time to assist us all - so thank you. Tried F11 F12 together with the FN key, still the same. so went into the Keyboard Shortcuts and unticked F11 F12 and now they do nothing. Sorry I've probably completely misunderstood you ? Don't worry if you are busy right now, I'm sure I can survive Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Sorry Jewels, I’m rushing doing too many things at once today haven’t given you the full details :-( System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts You will notice the key you have been pressing on the keyboard is probably set to ‘Show Desktop’ or ‘Hide Open Windows’ which pushes all open windows to the side and just shows your desktop. Just press it again for all your windows to come back. To use that key to change your sound you need to press the fn key and F12 key. There is nothing wrong with your new Keyboard. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Jewels, I have just assumed you are using an Apple Keyboard? The behaviour you are experiencing is making me think you are NOT using an Apple Keyboard. Many third-party Non-Apple keyboards assign the eject function to the F12 key. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 08/02/2012, at 6:46 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Neil I've ticked all all boxes under Keyboard Shortcuts, with the Keyboard - Use All F1, F2 etc ticked, then tried the same with the Use All F1, F2 unticked - still no luck Also have followed Neil's instructions - still no luck. Tried with the fn and F12 keys and the dvd ejects, tried again just F12 and the dvd draw ejects again. Cheers Jewels Hi Jewels, You are in Leopard, so check also in System Preferences Exposé Spaces Exposé … Show Desktop F11 Dashboard … Hide Show F12 Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:26 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, In System Preferences Keyboard select (✔) Use all F1, F2, etc keys as standard functions keys The in System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts select (✔) all the keys. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:19 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni I'm really grateful you give up your time to assist us all - so thank you. Tried F11 F12 together with the FN key, still the same. so went into the Keyboard Shortcuts and unticked F11 F12 and now they do nothing. Sorry I've probably completely misunderstood you ? Don't worry if you are busy right now, I'm sure I can survive Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Sorry Jewels, I’m rushing doing too many things at once today haven’t given you the full details :-( System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts You will notice the key you have been pressing on the keyboard is probably set to ‘Show Desktop’ or ‘Hide Open Windows’ which pushes all open windows to the side and just shows your desktop. Just press it again for all your windows to come back. To use that key to change your sound you need to press the fn key and F12 key. There is nothing wrong with your new Keyboard. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Ronni Its definitely an apple keyboard, with the figures extension on the side. Using OS 10.5.8 - is it possible for the keyboard to be questionable ? Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 7:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, I have just assumed you are using an Apple Keyboard? The behaviour you are experiencing is making me think you are NOT using an Apple Keyboard. Many third-party Non-Apple keyboards assign the eject function to the F12 key. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 08/02/2012, at 6:46 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Neil I've ticked all all boxes under Keyboard Shortcuts, with the Keyboard - Use All F1, F2 etc ticked, then tried the same with the Use All F1, F2 unticked - still no luck Also have followed Neil's instructions - still no luck. Tried with the fn and F12 keys and the dvd ejects, tried again just F12 and the dvd draw ejects again. Cheers Jewels Hi Jewels, You are in Leopard, so check also in System Preferences Exposé Spaces Exposé … Show Desktop F11 Dashboard … Hide Show F12 Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:26 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, In System Preferences Keyboard select (✔) Use all F1, F2, etc keys as standard functions keys The in System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts select (✔) all the keys. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:19 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni I'm really grateful you give up your time to assist us all - so thank you. Tried F11 F12 together with the FN key, still the same. so went into the Keyboard Shortcuts and unticked F11 F12 and now they do nothing. Sorry I've probably completely misunderstood you ? Don't worry if you are busy right now, I'm sure I can survive Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Sorry Jewels, I’m rushing doing too many things at once today haven’t given you the full details :-( System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts You will notice the key you have been pressing on the keyboard is probably set to ‘Show Desktop’ or ‘Hide Open Windows’ which pushes all open windows to the side and just shows your desktop. Just press it again for all your windows to come back. To use that key to change your sound you need to press the fn key and F12 key. There is nothing wrong with your new Keyboard. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Jewels I'd try the keyboard on another machine and see if it does the same thing (either running 10.5.8 or later OS). If it does, then yes could be something with the keyboard. If it doesn't then it means it's something more software related. What machine is it running on? Do you have any other System Preferences loaded (eg something like USB Overdrive, Logitech Controller or Microsoft Mouse or something like that). (Would normally appear under Others in System Preferences. The old F12 to eject from the Keyboard came from the days when the keyboard didn't have eject, so it would override with the F12 key to do that. So just wondering if something is holding that setting. What was the keyboard for the new one? Was it one of the small little ones, sort of like the current Wireless ones? (well size wise I mean) :o) There were a couple of other things to try, but I don't have it in front me at the moment so will look up later. But see how you go with the above first. Oh, in System Preferences - Keyboard then Keyboard Shortcuts you could click Restore Defaults (incase something in there is holding it over). If you've set your own Keyboard settings, they'll need to be redone as well). (I booted off a laptop I'm working on at the moment from a USB 10.5.8) and plugged in a Keyboard and the keys worked as they should (F10 muted the sound, F11 turned the Sound down, F12 turned the sound up) I'd say PRAM reset, but from memory that doesn't do much for the keyboard,...lol I also had a feeling that some certain hardware with 10.5.8 didn't know how to read the new keyboards correctly. Just trying to find where I had read that, or came across it with a machine I'd once worked on.many moons again,...lol Also have a look in Users/yourname/LibraryKeyboard Layouts. Do you have anything files or anything in there? Let us know how you go, and I'll keep racking my brain while fixing a laptop for a client... ;) Kind regards Daniel --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh** On 08/02/2012, at 10:18 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni Its definitely an apple keyboard, with the figures extension on the side. Using OS 10.5.8 - is it possible for the keyboard to be questionable ? Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 7:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, I have just assumed you are using an Apple Keyboard? The behaviour you are experiencing is making me think you are NOT using an Apple Keyboard. Many third-party Non-Apple keyboards assign the eject function to the F12 key. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 08/02/2012, at 6:46 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Neil I've ticked all all boxes under Keyboard Shortcuts, with the Keyboard - Use All F1, F2 etc ticked, then tried the same with the Use All F1, F2 unticked - still no luck Also have followed Neil's instructions - still no luck. Tried with the fn and F12 keys and the dvd ejects, tried again just F12 and the dvd draw ejects again. Cheers Jewels Hi Jewels, You are in Leopard, so check also in System Preferences Exposé Spaces Exposé … Show Desktop F11 Dashboard … Hide Show F12 Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:26 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, In System Preferences Keyboard select (✔) Use all F1, F2, etc keys as standard functions keys The in System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts select (✔) all the keys. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:19 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni I'm really grateful you give up your time to assist us all - so thank you. Tried F11 F12 together with the FN key, still the same. so went into the Keyboard Shortcuts and unticked F11 F12 and now they do nothing. Sorry I've probably completely misunderstood you ? Don't worry if you are busy right now, I'm sure I can survive Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Sorry Jewels, I’m rushing doing too many things at once today haven’t given you the full details :-( System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts You will notice the key you have been pressing on the keyboard is probably set to ‘Show Desktop’ or ‘Hide Open Windows’ which pushes all open windows to the side and just shows your desktop. Just press it again for all your windows to come back. To use that key to change your sound you need to press the fn key and F12 key. There is nothing wrong with your new Keyboard. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and
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Hi Jewels, Daniel has replied with more information so I won't repeat what he has mentioned. If you have an Apple Keyboard, it should have a dedicated eject key to open the DVD tray. F12 opens the Dashboard not the DVD tray. Does the keyboard you are using have the 'eject key'? It has a stubby, upward-pointing arrow? I seem to remember an Old G4 with a keyboard that did not have the dedicated 'eject key' and a longer press of f12 key opened the disk drive, and a short press opened dashboard. Try what Daniel has suggested, returning the keyboard settings to default. Also try the keyboard on another Mac. If the function key f12 still doesn't open dashboard and you don't have any software that might be conflicting with keyboard functions, then the keyboard perhaps could be faulty. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 08/02/2012, at 10:18 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Its definitely an apple keyboard, with the figures extension on the side. Using OS 10.5.8 - is it possible for the keyboard to be questionable ? Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 7:17 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, I have just assumed you are using an Apple Keyboard? The behaviour you are experiencing is making me think you are NOT using an Apple Keyboard. Many third-party Non-Apple keyboards assign the eject function to the F12 key. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 08/02/2012, at 6:46 PM, Julie Bedford jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Neil I've ticked all all boxes under Keyboard Shortcuts, with the Keyboard - Use All F1, F2 etc ticked, then tried the same with the Use All F1, F2 unticked - still no luck Also have followed Neil's instructions - still no luck. Tried with the fn and F12 keys and the dvd ejects, tried again just F12 and the dvd draw ejects again. Cheers Jewels Hi Jewels, You are in Leopard, so check also in System Preferences Exposé Spaces Exposé … Show Desktop F11 Dashboard … Hide Show F12 Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:26 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, In System Preferences Keyboard select (✔) Use all F1, F2, etc keys as standard functions keys The in System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts select (✔) all the keys. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 4:19 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi Ronni I'm really grateful you give up your time to assist us all - so thank you. Tried F11 F12 together with the FN key, still the same. so went into the Keyboard Shortcuts and unticked F11 F12 and now they do nothing. Sorry I've probably completely misunderstood you ? Don't worry if you are busy right now, I'm sure I can survive Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 4:00 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Sorry Jewels, I’m rushing doing too many things at once today haven’t given you the full details :-( System Preferences Keyboard - Keyboard Shortcuts You will notice the key you have been pressing on the keyboard is probably set to ‘Show Desktop’ or ‘Hide Open Windows’ which pushes all open windows to the side and just shows your desktop. Just press it again for all your windows to come back. To use that key to change your sound you need to press the fn key and F12 key. There is nothing wrong with your new Keyboard. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Bill, I truly haven’t forgotten about you ;-) You might have missed my reply below with us helping Jewels under the same subject heading. I haven’t stopped trying to help you as well ;-) Make sure you still have Substitutions activated in TextEdit and Smart Quotes turned ON. Go to Edit Substitutions, and turn on Smart Quotes. This works in Mail, TextEdit, Safari, and some other core apps. To type a curly quote on the Mac, it’s Option + [ for the opening double quote, and Option + Shift + [ for the closing double quote . eg: “ this is a double-quote” Replace with ] for a single curly quote. eg: ‘this is a single curly quote’ Let us know how you are getting on. We can’t help if you don’t get back to us ;-) Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 3:14 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, I haven’t forgotten about you, I’m busy with Clients work today and only jump back to WAMUG when I’m able to. This is weird… has it only happened after you installed something, or an update? Have you tried in another User Account to see if it is only related to your User Account? Is it happening only in TextEdit or is it happening in other word processing applications? If it is happening only in TextEdit, try deleting its Preference file. Quit TextEdit Go to ~Library Preferences - com.apple.TextEdit.plist (~ is your User Library) Drag the preference file to the trash Open TextEdit You will need to set any preferences you had that were not default. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:57 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi Ronni, Thanks for your quick reply. Unfortunately, that's not the answer - sticky keys is definitely switched off. Since my last post, I have also noticed that “shift-double quote also appears to cause a problem, it wants to open up a locked AppleWorks document. This is all very puzzling, but I appreciate your assistance. Regards, Bill Chesnutt. On 08/02/2012, at 12:47 pm, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, You don’t happen to have ‘Sticky Keys’ ON in System Preferences Universal Access - Keyboard? Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:16 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi List, I am running 10.6.8 on a Mac Pro. My system has started behaving oddly. When I am typing in a word processing document and use the shift key with either an “i or an “r I get unexpected (and unwanted) behaviour. In the case of “i the machine brings the finder up as the frontmost application. In the case of “r it opens a folder on my desktop for Accounts Receivable. I do not recollect that either of these things occurred in the past. I haven't modified any settings or done anything else that I know of to cause this. I have looked at all the Preference settings, especially Keyboard Shortcuts, but can't find a way to turn this behaviour off. Can anybody shed any light on this for me? Thanks. Regards, Bill Chesnutt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Jewels, Daniel Ronni have given you lots to work on. I sometimes find it is helpful to really define the extent of the problem so: You are using an Apple Extended Keyboard with the numeric keypad on the right-hand side - so it is wired and not wireless - (this is exactly the same keyboard as I am using). If I understand you, the F12 key is acting as DVD eject under all 4 scenarios ie with/without the box labelled Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys checked and in each case with/without the fn modifier. Does the actual Eject key (between the F12 F13 keys) eject as it should? Is it just the F12 key that is behaving strangely - how are the other F-keys behaving. Assuming all the relevant boxes are ticked in the keyboard shortcuts tab, then standard behaviour is: (A) With box labelled Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys checked then as per the keyboard shortcuts tab, ie: Dashboard - F12 Decrease brightness - F14 Increase Brightness - F15 Expose - All Windows - F9 Expose - Application Windows - F10 Expose - Desktop - F11 (B) With box labelled Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys un-checked then as per the keyboard icons, ie: F1 is decrease brightness F2 is increase brightness F3 is Expose F4 is dashboard F7, F8 F9 are the iTunes controls previous track, play/pause next track F10 is sound mute F11 F12 are volume up/down Other than the F12 key, are all the other keys operating as outlined above? As Daniel says, the best way to rule out a hardware problem is to try another keyboard - however if a similar one is not available then one other thing to try - just as a temporary test - to check the working of the F12 key to try and rule out a hardware problem: In System preferences/keyboard: - keyboard shortcuts tab - uncheck the dashboard F12 box - keyboard tab - check the box labelledUse all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys - make sure the box labelled Show Keyboard Character Viewer in menu bar is checked At this point the F12 key should do nothing - but in your case is still acting as an eject key. From the menu bar Keyboard Character Viewer select Show Keyboard Viewer which opens the keyboard viewer. You should now see a representation of your keyboard which should say Australian at the top (assuming you have chosen the Australian keyboard layout). Now: Press the escape key - see how the corresponding key on the keyboard viewer lights up in darker grey. Now press the F12 key - when I do this, the F12 key on the keyboard viewer lights up - it also, depending what program I am in, MAY make the not applicable note (if I am in Finder it does, though if I am in Entourage it doesn't) When YOU do this what happens - do you see the F12 key on the character viewer light up? After this test put your keyboard settings back - ie re-check the F12 box and set the box labelled Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys to your preferred behaviour. A better understanding of all the above behaviours may help to narrow down the problem. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 8/2/12 6:46 PM, Julie Bedford at jew...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Neil I've ticked all all boxes under Keyboard Shortcuts, with the Keyboard - Use All F1, F2 etc ticked, then tried the same with the Use All F1, F2 unticked - still no luck Also have followed Neil's instructions - still no luck. Tried with the fn and F12 keys and the dvd ejects, tried again just F12 and the dvd draw ejects again. Cheers Jewels -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Ronni, Thank you for all your helpful suggestions. After playing around, unsuccessfully, with various possible fixes I finally decided that the problem may lie in some disk corruption, as I had a power outage last week while the computer was running. After trying all the usual fixes (Disk Utility, Disk Warrior, Onyx, and even the zapping the Pram) with no success; I resorted to using Time Machine to restore the system as it was last week and then copied over my documents folder. As at the time of writing, everything seems to be back to normal. Thanks again for your assistance. Regards, Bill Chesnutt. On 09/02/2012, at 9:59 am, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, I truly haven’t forgotten about you ;-) You might have missed my reply below with us helping Jewels under the same subject heading. I haven’t stopped trying to help you as well ;-) Make sure you still have Substitutions activated in TextEdit and Smart Quotes turned ON. Go to Edit Substitutions, and turn on Smart Quotes. This works in Mail, TextEdit, Safari, and some other core apps. To type a curly quote on the Mac, it’s Option + [ for the opening double quote, and Option + Shift + [ for the closing double quote . eg: “ this is a double-quote” Replace with ] for a single curly quote. eg: ‘this is a single curly quote’ Let us know how you are getting on. We can’t help if you don’t get back to us ;-) Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 3:14 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, I haven’t forgotten about you, I’m busy with Clients work today and only jump back to WAMUG when I’m able to. This is weird… has it only happened after you installed something, or an update? Have you tried in another User Account to see if it is only related to your User Account? Is it happening only in TextEdit or is it happening in other word processing applications? If it is happening only in TextEdit, try deleting its Preference file. Quit TextEdit Go to ~Library Preferences - com.apple.TextEdit.plist (~ is your User Library) Drag the preference file to the trash Open TextEdit You will need to set any preferences you had that were not default. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:57 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi Ronni, Thanks for your quick reply. Unfortunately, that's not the answer - sticky keys is definitely switched off. Since my last post, I have also noticed that “shift-double quote also appears to cause a problem, it wants to open up a locked AppleWorks document. This is all very puzzling, but I appreciate your assistance. Regards, Bill Chesnutt. On 08/02/2012, at 12:47 pm, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, You don’t happen to have ‘Sticky Keys’ ON in System Preferences Universal Access - Keyboard? Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:16 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi List, I am running 10.6.8 on a Mac Pro. My system has started behaving oddly. When I am typing in a word processing document and use the shift key with either an “i or an “r I get unexpected (and unwanted) behaviour. In the case of “i the machine brings the finder up as the frontmost application. In the case of “r it opens a folder on my desktop for Accounts Receivable. I do not recollect that either of these things occurred in the past. I haven't modified any settings or done anything else that I know of to cause this. I have looked at all the Preference settings, especially Keyboard Shortcuts, but can't find a way to turn this behaviour off. Can anybody shed any light on this for me? Thanks. Regards, Bill Chesnutt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Bill, You don’t happen to have ‘Sticky Keys’ ON in System Preferences Universal Access - Keyboard? Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:16 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi List, I am running 10.6.8 on a Mac Pro. My system has started behaving oddly. When I am typing in a word processing document and use the shift key with either an “i or an “r I get unexpected (and unwanted) behaviour. In the case of “i the machine brings the finder up as the frontmost application. In the case of “r it opens a folder on my desktop for Accounts Receivable. I do not recollect that either of these things occurred in the past. I haven't modified any settings or done anything else that I know of to cause this. I have looked at all the Preference settings, especially Keyboard Shortcuts, but can't find a way to turn this behaviour off. Can anybody shed any light on this for me? Thanks. Regards, Bill Chesnutt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Ronni, Thanks for your quick reply. Unfortunately, that's not the answer - sticky keys is definitely switched off. Since my last post, I have also noticed that “shift-double quote also appears to cause a problem, it wants to open up a locked AppleWorks document. This is all very puzzling, but I appreciate your assistance. Regards, Bill Chesnutt. On 08/02/2012, at 12:47 pm, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, You don’t happen to have ‘Sticky Keys’ ON in System Preferences Universal Access - Keyboard? Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:16 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi List, I am running 10.6.8 on a Mac Pro. My system has started behaving oddly. When I am typing in a word processing document and use the shift key with either an “i or an “r I get unexpected (and unwanted) behaviour. In the case of “i the machine brings the finder up as the frontmost application. In the case of “r it opens a folder on my desktop for Accounts Receivable. I do not recollect that either of these things occurred in the past. I haven't modified any settings or done anything else that I know of to cause this. I have looked at all the Preference settings, especially Keyboard Shortcuts, but can't find a way to turn this behaviour off. Can anybody shed any light on this for me? Thanks. Regards, Bill Chesnutt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 12:57 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi Ronni, Thanks for your quick reply. Unfortunately, that's not the answer - sticky keys is definitely switched off. Since my last post, I have also noticed that “shift-double quote also appears to cause a problem, it wants to open up a locked AppleWorks document. This is all very puzzling, but I appreciate your assistance. Regards, Bill Chesnutt. On 08/02/2012, at 12:47 pm, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, You don’t happen to have ‘Sticky Keys’ ON in System Preferences Universal Access - Keyboard? Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:16 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi List, I am running 10.6.8 on a Mac Pro. My system has started behaving oddly. When I am typing in a word processing document and use the shift key with either an “i or an “r I get unexpected (and unwanted) behaviour. In the case of “i the machine brings the finder up as the frontmost application. In the case of “r it opens a folder on my desktop for Accounts Receivable. I do not recollect that either of these things occurred in the past. I haven't modified any settings or done anything else that I know of to cause this. I have looked at all the Preference settings, especially Keyboard Shortcuts, but can't find a way to turn this behaviour off. Can anybody shed any light on this for me? Thanks. Regards, Bill Chesnutt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Bill, I haven’t forgotten about you, I’m busy with Clients work today and only jump back to WAMUG when I’m able to. This is weird… has it only happened after you installed something, or an update? Have you tried in another User Account to see if it is only related to your User Account? Is it happening only in TextEdit or is it happening in other word processing applications? If it is happening only in TextEdit, try deleting its Preference file. Quit TextEdit Go to ~Library Preferences - com.apple.TextEdit.plist (~ is your User Library) Drag the preference file to the trash Open TextEdit You will need to set any preferences you had that were not default. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:57 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi Ronni, Thanks for your quick reply. Unfortunately, that's not the answer - sticky keys is definitely switched off. Since my last post, I have also noticed that “shift-double quote also appears to cause a problem, it wants to open up a locked AppleWorks document. This is all very puzzling, but I appreciate your assistance. Regards, Bill Chesnutt. On 08/02/2012, at 12:47 pm, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, You don’t happen to have ‘Sticky Keys’ ON in System Preferences Universal Access - Keyboard? Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:16 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi List, I am running 10.6.8 on a Mac Pro. My system has started behaving oddly. When I am typing in a word processing document and use the shift key with either an “i or an “r I get unexpected (and unwanted) behaviour. In the case of “i the machine brings the finder up as the frontmost application. In the case of “r it opens a folder on my desktop for Accounts Receivable. I do not recollect that either of these things occurred in the past. I haven't modified any settings or done anything else that I know of to cause this. I have looked at all the Preference settings, especially Keyboard Shortcuts, but can't find a way to turn this behaviour off. Can anybody shed any light on this for me? Thanks. Regards, Bill Chesnutt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Jewels, Are you in Lion or Snow Leopard? The volume keys ( all the top keys) are Function keys. Check in System Preferences Keyboard to see what F12 is set to do. Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 1:30 PM, Julie Bedford wrote: Hi, Not sure if this has any relation, but I purchased a new keyboard last week and now find that when I turn the sound volume up or down on the keyboard, all I get is shifting to the side of whatever is opened on my desktop. I was thinking about returning it, but possibly there may be a more obvious cause that I am unaware of. Cheers Jewels On 08/02/2012, at 12:57 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi Ronni, Thanks for your quick reply. Unfortunately, that's not the answer - sticky keys is definitely switched off. Since my last post, I have also noticed that “shift-double quote also appears to cause a problem, it wants to open up a locked AppleWorks document. This is all very puzzling, but I appreciate your assistance. Regards, Bill Chesnutt. On 08/02/2012, at 12:47 pm, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Bill, You don’t happen to have ‘Sticky Keys’ ON in System Preferences Universal Access - Keyboard? Cheers, Ronni On 08/02/2012, at 12:16 PM, William Chesnutt wrote: Hi List, I am running 10.6.8 on a Mac Pro. My system has started behaving oddly. When I am typing in a word processing document and use the shift key with either an “i or an “r I get unexpected (and unwanted) behaviour. In the case of “i the machine brings the finder up as the frontmost application. In the case of “r it opens a folder on my desktop for Accounts Receivable. I do not recollect that either of these things occurred in the past. I haven't modified any settings or done anything else that I know of to cause this. I have looked at all the Preference settings, especially Keyboard Shortcuts, but can't find a way to turn this behaviour off. Can anybody shed any light on this for me? Thanks. Regards, Bill Chesnutt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
