Re: {W&P} (almost) on behalf of militarism
--- Support our Sponsor OrderBox - Shop anywhere for books (and everything else) Pay your price or less. Guaranteed! Get a $100.00 CREDIT! http://click.topica.com/Qpb1dhdKb1tdRUa/OrderMarket Tamar, I so much appreciate your different point of view. This form of communication and the people using it, gives me hope for humanity. I grew up in Los Angeles, California, when violence was beginning to become a problem. Witnessing the problem of violence of increasing, was the first days of cold weather in fall and wondering if the transition to winter had begun. That is to say there were increasing incidences of behavior problems with increasing police type efforts to counteract the problem and this just increased the problem. There was a rather sudden loss of good manners and respect for others, and it was my experience, law and police efforts can not make things right when society becomes less civil. I think mental detectors in high schools is just awful. I think we can note this has developed since we stopped using public education to transmit a culture and focused education on technology for military and industrial purpose. I do not understand why so few people understand the importance of culture, but this problem goes all the way to our presidents who are also quite ignorant in this matter. Please, note since the beginning of the United States, citizens have been armed. It was an important ritual of manhood for a young man to be given a rifle, used for hunting and protecting the family. Often it was his grandfather's rifle. What went with this was a strong value system that put God first, then country, then family. This was maintained by cultural expectations, and cultural expectations are more powerful than laws and police in controlling social behavior. We have changed our cultural expectations and our society. My concern is we did this without awareness of what we were doing, why and how. While it is tempting to agree with the idea that citizens shouldn't be armed, I think there is good reason for them to be armed. But this thinking goes with past culture. I am concerned if we give up our guns, we will loose our past culture, and I would rather we revitalize that past culture, at least until the world agrees to disarm, which I also think is a possibility that can be manifest from changed consciousness- THE PROCESS OF WHAT WE ARE DOING. I hold this concern not just because our nations may go to war. I think this is less likely than what we will happen if we continue down the path of militarism. I think the biggest threat to citizens is our own army and government. I think our forefathers understood this possibility when they wrote the Declaration of Independence. But remember, this distrust of authority is what began our country. Our Declaration of Independence could also be called a Declaration of Responsibility. We aren't educating for that any more. We began using education to produce products for industry. Our heritage and present education is, a BIG PROBLEM! --- Support our Sponsor Imagine a credit card with a 0% introductory APR on purchases (for complete pricing information and important terms and conditions, please click on the link below). Apply now for an Aria Visa! http://click.topica.com/Ijb1dhdKb1tdRUc/Aria ___ To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=126357 referrer name = john_tCheck it out! It works! ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
RE: {W&P} (almost) on behalf of militarism
--- Sponsor's Message -- Take the guesswork out of genealogy. Go to Ancestry.com today and sign up for your free 14-day trial. Use the site risk free and enjoy the No. 1 Source for Family History Online. Begin your trial today! http://click.topica.com/Sgb1dhdKb1tdRUa/MyFamily_com Carol wrote: - > I have spoken so much against militarisms, that it > may surprise some, I > am in favor of an armed public. I don't the > forefathers' of the United > States were ignorant of the future when they assured > citizens the right > to own arms. Our Declaration of Independence leaves > open the possibility > that our own government may stop serving the people > and need to be > replaced. Let's agree to disagree. Most countries don't have such free gun laws as the 2nd amendment allows in the United States, and are yet free and democratic. Every time I bring up this subject, people tell to look at the UK and the high crime statistics in a country that is "ungunned". Well, first of all, the UK is still far less violent than the United States, and criminals will always have guns. The question is accesibility. I didn't hear of many other countries with metal detectors in high schools the way you have in the United States. Second, I don't believe that the right to bear arms will solve the problem of ctizens to protect themselves, for two reasons - mistakes/accidents (I remember a case where a Japanese exchange student wanted to ask for directions and was shot by a man because he entered his property); and thefact that not every citizen wants to be a militia man. I had a gun (and gas) when I was in the military. I'm afraid to say that I'm glad no rapist or terrorist came in my way because I would have surely shot myself or some innocent by stander. Tamar = Visit http://www.political-tips.com - sign up for the FREE newsletter, where you can find information and links in politics and activism Visit our sponsor http://www.goingplatinum.com/member/tamrurand join to make money while surfing!!! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --- Support our Sponsor Imagine a credit card with a 0% introductory APR on purchases (for complete pricing information and important terms and conditions, please click on the link below). Apply now for an Aria Visa! http://click.topica.com/Ijb1dhdKb1tdRUc/Aria ___ To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=126357 referrer name = john_tCheck it out! It works! ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
Re: {W&P} (almost) on behalf of militarism
--- Support our Sponsor $100 Free shopping; join our ISP & also get 50% off on purchases *Bonus-join now & have your name included in a drawing for $7500 Savings package: http://click.topica.com/VLb1dhdKb1tdRUa/ConnectandCollect Tamar, Your response to the question of the military does good, is excellent! Yes, how do we control the use of military force? How do assure it is citizens who have control and not a dictator or industrial interest? I have spoken so much against militarisms, that it may surprise some, I am in favor of an armed public. I don't the forefathers' of the United States were ignorant of the future when they assured citizens the right to own arms. Our Declaration of Independence leaves open the possibility that our own government may stop serving the people and need to be replaced. I think when kings or an elite power circle controls military force and not the citizens, this military power can be abused. Industrialization and modern military technology have shifted control of all forms of power from the citizens, to elite power circles. It is my hope when citizens around the world, are communication with each other as we are doing here, it will return power and control to citizens. We might able to use each others governments and military forces to keep each other in check? The people who protested the School of the Americas, are not anarchist or rebelling citizens. They are good citizens opposed to a military solution that we can not control and assure is not a terrorist force being used by dictator type people, against good people in South America who need protection from what we are promoting. What this school is doing is as bad as entering an inner slum and passing out guns to teenagers, because there is no control over how the military force is used. I maybe wrong, but I think the purpose of the school is to provide jobs for people who like military might and don't care who the students are. It does not seem equal to Buddhist monks who learn much more than marshal arts. Before we arm people, we need to civilize them. ___ To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Make A Buck Or Two @ TheMail.com - Free Internet Email Sign-up today at http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=126357 referrer name = john_tCheck it out! It works! ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
