[wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using
Brett, Github would be my choice of repository to open source it. I've not heard of rWebUnit before - as I've said my knowledge of Ruby is low compared to you guys. I like the idea of getting other people involved with this, I have the beginnings of a backlog in my head of stuff I want to implement, many hands would be way cool! Wadud -Original Message- From: watir-general@googlegroups.com [mailto:watir-gene...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bret Pettichord Sent: 13 April 2009 20:11 To: watir-general@googlegroups.com Subject: [wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using There are a lot of interesting ideas here. I also suggest putting this on github. I think different people may be attracted to different aspects of your framework. For example, i found your extension of watir-simple to be interesting. You may know (or not) that rwebunit does something similar. It might be good if a couple people joined forces on creating this kind of simplified api to watir. Bret Ruf, Wadud wrote: > Thanks Brett, > > Looking at the video again it is quite dated, I need to get some up to > date material on there. The main principle is simplicity over power. > Once I have better material to upload I will post a link. > > Wadud > > *From:* watir-general@googlegroups.com on behalf of Bret Pettichord > *Sent:* Thu 09/04/2009 16:49 > *To:* watir-general@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using > > > Thanks for sharing your work. I found it to be very interesting. > > Bret > > > Ruf, Wadud wrote: > > Hi > > > > Over the last few months I have been using WATiR to test a web > > application we have been developing. As a noob to both Ruby and WATiR > > (myself and the rest of the project team), I have to say we have found > > WATiR to have a very shallow learning curve. > > > > To aide non-developers, and to increase our productivity I created an > > internal domain specific language on top of WATiR, I call it WSL > > (WATiR Scripting Language). This has proved to be a very positive step > > increasing our productivity and lowering the barrier to using it. > > > > I have a short screencast of an internal demo I gave on how I arrived > > at WSL, and how to use it. This is from the perpective of a complete > > novice to Ruby/WATiR available here - http://xqoob.com > <http://xqoob.com/>. The demo is a > > few months old and WSL has evolved a bit more since then. > > > > I would like the WATiR community's feedback on this, as I would like > > to open-source this, and would make the move sooner rather than later > > if there is sufficient interest! > > > > Thanks > > > > Wadud > > > > PS. The video may take a few seconds/minutes to start playing > > depending on your connection speed. > > > -- > Bret Pettichord > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, www.watircraft.com > Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com > Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > > Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April 16-17 > www.watircraft.com/training > > > > > > Capgemini is a trading name used by the Capgemini Group of companies > which includes Capgemini UK plc, a company registered in England and > Wales (number 943935) whose registered office is at No. 1 Forge End, > Woking, Surrey, GU21 6DB > > This message contains information that may be privileged or > confidential and is the property of the Capgemini Group. It is > intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not > the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, > copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part > thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the > sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. > > -- Bret Pettichord CTO, WatirCraft LLC, www.watircraft.com Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April 16-17 www.watircraft.com/training This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of the Capgemini Group. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using
There is no audio to the screencast (I should put up a message saying so!). I need to speak to a few people regarding how I go about progressing this, but the general view is that we us it further on a few more internal projects and also open source it. I'm glad you mentioned cucumber, as that is something I want to use with WSL; I think the two will go together well. I wouldn't class WSL as a framework, nor is it in anyway meant to conflict with Cucumber. The aim of WSL is to make WATiR accessible to the non-dev masses (ie. Testers who always comment they are not coders!). Therefore I am very much in the view of forsaking power for ease of use and simplicity. A typical scenario would be defining user stories with cucumber; non-devs should be able to do this with a shallow learning curve. The actual step definition would then be written in WSL. I do think a lot of responsibility is placed upon developers to ensure they have created repeatable QA tests, the more of this that could be distributed through the team the better. Note: I've not had the opportunity to use Cucumber yet in anger. I like the idea of getting other people involved and collaborating; my experience of Ruby is very low I'm sure compared to others here, for example I was not aware of rWebUnit as mentioned by Brett previously. Thanks for your comments Chuck. Wadud -Original Message- From: watir-general@googlegroups.com [mailto:watir-gene...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck van der Linden Sent: 10 April 2009 17:51 To: Watir General Subject: [wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using This was interesting to watch.. was there audio? I didn't hear any. I think it would be more informative to see a presentation of what you currently have. Also since there are other existing frameworks such as Cucumber that allow you to use DSL to define the tests, I think before taking the step to release this to opensource (presuming of course that the people who paid you to do the work in the first place are OK with that) you might want to consider asking yourself a few questions. 1) what unique benefits or capabilities does my framework offer that the others do not? and vice versa (you'll get a lot of questiosn about that, might as well figure out the answers now) 2) In terms of future improvements, do many of the things I'd like to add to my framework exist in other frameworks already? (e.g. would you be spending a lot of time developing your own version of stuff that already exists elsewhere?) 3) Would I be better off to join with an existing effort and help enhance it (perhaps using some of my existing code) to provide the capabilities I need within that tool? >From the perspective of an outside user, having more choices of framworks is good, until I have to choose between two frameworks where each one has 'some' of the things I want, and none of them have 'all' of the things I want. That's when I find myself wishing that the developers of those things had worked together instead of apart. On Apr 9, 10:44 am, "Ruf, Wadud" wrote: > Thanks Brett, > > Looking at the video again it is quite dated, I need to get some up to date > material on there. The main principle is simplicity over power. Once I have > better material to upload I will post a link. > > Wadud > > > > From: watir-general@googlegroups.com on behalf of Bret Pettichord > Sent: Thu 09/04/2009 16:49 > To: watir-general@googlegroups.com > Subject: [wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using > > Thanks for sharing your work. I found it to be very interesting. > > Bret > > > > > > > > Ruf, Wadud wrote: > > Hi > > > Over the last few months I have been using WATiR to test a web > > application we have been developing. As a noob to both Ruby and WATiR > > (myself and the rest of the project team), I have to say we have found > > WATiR to have a very shallow learning curve. > > > To aide non-developers, and to increase our productivity I created an > > internal domain specific language on top of WATiR, I call it WSL > > (WATiR Scripting Language). This has proved to be a very positive step > > increasing our productivity and lowering the barrier to using it. > > > I have a short screencast of an internal demo I gave on how I arrived > > at WSL, and how to use it. This is from the perpective of a complete > > novice to Ruby/WATiR available here -http://xqoob.com<http://xqoob.com/> > . The demo is a > > few months old and WSL has evolved a bit more since then. > > > I would like the WATiR community's feedback on this, as I would like > > to open-source this, and would make the move sooner rather than later > > if there is sufficient interest! > > > Than
[wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using
Very nice presentation! The concept of manual intervention interests me particularly. Good to know some syntax you used are similar to rWebUnit. On Apr 14, 5:10 am, Bret Pettichord wrote: > It might be good if a couple people joined forces on creating this kind of > simplified api to watir. I likes Bret's idea. -- Zhimin Zhan rWebUnit, github.com/zhimin/rwebunit/tree/master iTest2 IDE, www.itest2.com iTest2/Watir Recorder, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9760 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using
There are a lot of interesting ideas here. I also suggest putting this on github. I think different people may be attracted to different aspects of your framework. For example, i found your extension of watir-simple to be interesting. You may know (or not) that rwebunit does something similar. It might be good if a couple people joined forces on creating this kind of simplified api to watir. Bret Ruf, Wadud wrote: > Thanks Brett, > > Looking at the video again it is quite dated, I need to get some up to > date material on there. The main principle is simplicity over power. > Once I have better material to upload I will post a link. > > Wadud > > *From:* watir-general@googlegroups.com on behalf of Bret Pettichord > *Sent:* Thu 09/04/2009 16:49 > *To:* watir-general@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using > > > Thanks for sharing your work. I found it to be very interesting. > > Bret > > > Ruf, Wadud wrote: > > Hi > > > > Over the last few months I have been using WATiR to test a web > > application we have been developing. As a noob to both Ruby and WATiR > > (myself and the rest of the project team), I have to say we have found > > WATiR to have a very shallow learning curve. > > > > To aide non-developers, and to increase our productivity I created an > > internal domain specific language on top of WATiR, I call it WSL > > (WATiR Scripting Language). This has proved to be a very positive step > > increasing our productivity and lowering the barrier to using it. > > > > I have a short screencast of an internal demo I gave on how I arrived > > at WSL, and how to use it. This is from the perpective of a complete > > novice to Ruby/WATiR available here - http://xqoob.com > <http://xqoob.com/>. The demo is a > > few months old and WSL has evolved a bit more since then. > > > > I would like the WATiR community's feedback on this, as I would like > > to open-source this, and would make the move sooner rather than later > > if there is sufficient interest! > > > > Thanks > > > > Wadud > > > > PS. The video may take a few seconds/minutes to start playing > > depending on your connection speed. > > > -- > Bret Pettichord > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, www.watircraft.com > Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com > Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > > Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April 16-17 > www.watircraft.com/training > > > > > > Capgemini is a trading name used by the Capgemini Group of companies > which includes Capgemini UK plc, a company registered in England and > Wales (number 943935) whose registered office is at No. 1 Forge End, > Woking, Surrey, GU21 6DB > > This message contains information that may be privileged or > confidential and is the property of the Capgemini Group. It is > intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not > the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, > copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part > thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the > sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. > > -- Bret Pettichord CTO, WatirCraft LLC, www.watircraft.com Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April 16-17 www.watircraft.com/training --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using
This was interesting to watch.. was there audio? I didn't hear any. I think it would be more informative to see a presentation of what you currently have. Also since there are other existing frameworks such as Cucumber that allow you to use DSL to define the tests, I think before taking the step to release this to opensource (presuming of course that the people who paid you to do the work in the first place are OK with that) you might want to consider asking yourself a few questions. 1) what unique benefits or capabilities does my framework offer that the others do not? and vice versa (you'll get a lot of questiosn about that, might as well figure out the answers now) 2) In terms of future improvements, do many of the things I'd like to add to my framework exist in other frameworks already? (e.g. would you be spending a lot of time developing your own version of stuff that already exists elsewhere?) 3) Would I be better off to join with an existing effort and help enhance it (perhaps using some of my existing code) to provide the capabilities I need within that tool? >From the perspective of an outside user, having more choices of framworks is good, until I have to choose between two frameworks where each one has 'some' of the things I want, and none of them have 'all' of the things I want. That's when I find myself wishing that the developers of those things had worked together instead of apart. On Apr 9, 10:44 am, "Ruf, Wadud" wrote: > Thanks Brett, > > Looking at the video again it is quite dated, I need to get some up to date > material on there. The main principle is simplicity over power. Once I have > better material to upload I will post a link. > > Wadud > > > > From: watir-general@googlegroups.com on behalf of Bret Pettichord > Sent: Thu 09/04/2009 16:49 > To: watir-general@googlegroups.com > Subject: [wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using > > Thanks for sharing your work. I found it to be very interesting. > > Bret > > > > > > > > Ruf, Wadud wrote: > > Hi > > > Over the last few months I have been using WATiR to test a web > > application we have been developing. As a noob to both Ruby and WATiR > > (myself and the rest of the project team), I have to say we have found > > WATiR to have a very shallow learning curve. > > > To aide non-developers, and to increase our productivity I created an > > internal domain specific language on top of WATiR, I call it WSL > > (WATiR Scripting Language). This has proved to be a very positive step > > increasing our productivity and lowering the barrier to using it. > > > I have a short screencast of an internal demo I gave on how I arrived > > at WSL, and how to use it. This is from the perpective of a complete > > novice to Ruby/WATiR available here -http://xqoob.com<http://xqoob.com/> > . The demo is a > > few months old and WSL has evolved a bit more since then. > > > I would like the WATiR community's feedback on this, as I would like > > to open-source this, and would make the move sooner rather than later > > if there is sufficient interest! > > > Thanks > > > Wadud > > > PS. The video may take a few seconds/minutes to start playing > > depending on your connection speed. > > -- > Bret Pettichord > CTO, WatirCraft LLC,www.watircraft.com > Lead Developer, Watir,www.watir.com > Blog,www.io.com/~wazmo/blog > Twitter,www.twitter.com/bpettichord > > Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April 16-17www.watircraft.com/training > > Capgemini is a trading name used by the Capgemini Group of > companies which includes Capgemini UK plc, a company registered in > England and Wales (number 943935) whose registered office is at No. > 1 Forge End, Woking, Surrey, GU21 6DB > This > message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is > the property of the Capgemini Group. It is intended only for the person to > whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not > authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this > message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please > notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this > message.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using
It does look really interesting, particularly the manual intervention, we have something similar, not intervention per se, but specifying manual tests with ruby, not Quality Center. There seems to be a proliferation of frameworks popping up around Watir lately which is a good thing. If you're interested in releasing your framework, I'd suggest putting it on github, and mailing the list when it's up. Charley Baker blog: http://blog.charleybaker.org/ Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org QA Architect, Gap Inc Direct On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Ruf, Wadud wrote: > Thanks Brett, > > Looking at the video again it is quite dated, I need to get some up to date > material on there. The main principle is simplicity over power. Once I have > better material to upload I will post a link. > > Wadud > > -- > *From:* watir-general@googlegroups.com on behalf of Bret Pettichord > *Sent:* Thu 09/04/2009 16:49 > *To:* watir-general@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using > > > Thanks for sharing your work. I found it to be very interesting. > > Bret > > > Ruf, Wadud wrote: > > Hi > > > > Over the last few months I have been using WATiR to test a web > > application we have been developing. As a noob to both Ruby and WATiR > > (myself and the rest of the project team), I have to say we have found > > WATiR to have a very shallow learning curve. > > > > To aide non-developers, and to increase our productivity I created an > > internal domain specific language on top of WATiR, I call it WSL > > (WATiR Scripting Language). This has proved to be a very positive step > > increasing our productivity and lowering the barrier to using it. > > > > I have a short screencast of an internal demo I gave on how I arrived > > at WSL, and how to use it. This is from the perpective of a complete > > novice to Ruby/WATiR available here - http://xqoob.com. The demo is a > > few months old and WSL has evolved a bit more since then. > > > > I would like the WATiR community's feedback on this, as I would like > > to open-source this, and would make the move sooner rather than later > > if there is sufficient interest! > > > > Thanks > > > > Wadud > > > > PS. The video may take a few seconds/minutes to start playing > > depending on your connection speed. > > > -- > Bret Pettichord > CTO, WatirCraft LLC, www.watircraft.com > Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com > Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog <http://www.io.com/%7Ewazmo/blog> > Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord > > Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April 16-17 > www.watircraft.com/training > > > > > > Capgemini is a trading name used by the Capgemini Group of companies which > includes Capgemini UK plc, a company registered in England and Wales (number > 943935) whose registered office is at No. 1 Forge End, Woking, Surrey, GU21 > 6DB > > This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential > and is the property of the Capgemini Group. It is intended only for the > person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you > are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or > use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, > please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using
Thanks Brett, Looking at the video again it is quite dated, I need to get some up to date material on there. The main principle is simplicity over power. Once I have better material to upload I will post a link. Wadud From: watir-general@googlegroups.com on behalf of Bret Pettichord Sent: Thu 09/04/2009 16:49 To: watir-general@googlegroups.com Subject: [wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using Thanks for sharing your work. I found it to be very interesting. Bret Ruf, Wadud wrote: > Hi > > Over the last few months I have been using WATiR to test a web > application we have been developing. As a noob to both Ruby and WATiR > (myself and the rest of the project team), I have to say we have found > WATiR to have a very shallow learning curve. > > To aide non-developers, and to increase our productivity I created an > internal domain specific language on top of WATiR, I call it WSL > (WATiR Scripting Language). This has proved to be a very positive step > increasing our productivity and lowering the barrier to using it. > > I have a short screencast of an internal demo I gave on how I arrived > at WSL, and how to use it. This is from the perpective of a complete > novice to Ruby/WATiR available here - http://xqoob.com <http://xqoob.com/> . The demo is a > few months old and WSL has evolved a bit more since then. > > I would like the WATiR community's feedback on this, as I would like > to open-source this, and would make the move sooner rather than later > if there is sufficient interest! > > Thanks > > Wadud > > PS. The video may take a few seconds/minutes to start playing > depending on your connection speed. -- Bret Pettichord CTO, WatirCraft LLC, www.watircraft.com Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April 16-17 www.watircraft.com/training Capgemini is a trading name used by the Capgemini Group of companies which includes Capgemini UK plc, a company registered in England and Wales (number 943935) whose registered office is at No. 1 Forge End, Woking, Surrey, GU21 6DB This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of the Capgemini Group. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: WATiR DSL I have been using
Thanks for sharing your work. I found it to be very interesting. Bret Ruf, Wadud wrote: > Hi > > Over the last few months I have been using WATiR to test a web > application we have been developing. As a noob to both Ruby and WATiR > (myself and the rest of the project team), I have to say we have found > WATiR to have a very shallow learning curve. > > To aide non-developers, and to increase our productivity I created an > internal domain specific language on top of WATiR, I call it WSL > (WATiR Scripting Language). This has proved to be a very positive step > increasing our productivity and lowering the barrier to using it. > > I have a short screencast of an internal demo I gave on how I arrived > at WSL, and how to use it. This is from the perpective of a complete > novice to Ruby/WATiR available here - http://xqoob.com. The demo is a > few months old and WSL has evolved a bit more since then. > > I would like the WATiR community's feedback on this, as I would like > to open-source this, and would make the move sooner rather than later > if there is sufficient interest! > > Thanks > > Wadud > > PS. The video may take a few seconds/minutes to start playing > depending on your connection speed. -- Bret Pettichord CTO, WatirCraft LLC, www.watircraft.com Lead Developer, Watir, www.watir.com Blog, www.io.com/~wazmo/blog Twitter, www.twitter.com/bpettichord Watir Training: Portland/Beaverton April 16-17 www.watircraft.com/training --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Watir General" group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
