Re:[wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-17 Thread Furry, Tim
Dave P wrote:
WDVL is one of internet.com's brands, and we don't have permission to use it.

After all they've done hosting this excellent community over the years, I'm not 
going to stab them in the back by using their brand without their permission to 
do so.

Tim sez:
Agreed...they were incredibly kind.  How about wdevlist or something like 
that? wdev being web developer, which is a little more identifying than 
dev, but still keeping away from internet.com's idea of a library-related 
discussion list...

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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-16 Thread David Precious


Hi Linda,

Just wondered if you had any news for us on the future of the WDVL list?

My offer to provide hosting for the list still stands, naturally.

Not trying to rush you, just curious whether any decision has been made; 
we're half-way through the month, so I'm wondering whether I need to set 
up a new list or not :)


Cheers

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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-16 Thread Linda Cole

Hi David,

I'm afraid the best I can come up with is a password protected area on a 
forum. You can set the forum preferences to notify you by email when 
there is a post to your subscribed threads, but you cannot reply by 
email; you would have to visit the forum to post to it.


Talk it over and let me know what you decide to do. If you should decide 
to set up a new list, please post back here so everyone knows where to 
find you.


Thanks!
Linda



David Precious wrote:


Hi Linda,

Just wondered if you had any news for us on the future of the WDVL list?

My offer to provide hosting for the list still stands, naturally.

Not trying to rush you, just curious whether any decision has been 
made; we're half-way through the month, so I'm wondering whether I 
need to set up a new list or not :)


Cheers

Dave P




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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-16 Thread David Precious

Hi Linda,

Thanks for the reply.

Linda Cole wrote:
I'm afraid the best I can come up with is a password protected area on a 
forum. You can set the forum preferences to notify you by email when 
there is a post to your subscribed threads, but you cannot reply by 
email; you would have to visit the forum to post to it.


Talk it over and let me know what you decide to do. If you should decide 
to set up a new list, please post back here so everyone knows where to 
find you.


We did discuss the forum idea, and the general consensus was 
overwhelmingly against, so I don't think the community would survive if 
we take that route.


I think setting up a new list is the way to go, so I'll do that soon; we 
just need a name.


You said using the wdvltalk name is out of the question, so that's fine; 
I'm thinking of something like devtalk?


That would make the list devt...@lists.preshweb.co.uk, unless we decide 
we'd rather register a domain for it.


Thoughts, people?  Does devtalk work as a name for you?  If so, I'll 
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so we can all join it in good time.


Cheers

Dave P


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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-16 Thread joseph harris

From: David Precious

Hi Linda,

Thanks for the reply.

Linda Cole wrote:
I'm afraid the best I can come up with is a password 
protected area on a forum. You can set the forum 
preferences to notify you by email when there is a post 
to your subscribed threads, but you cannot reply by 
email; you would have to visit the forum to post to it.


Talk it over and let me know what you decide to do. If 
you should decide to set up a new list, please post back 
here so everyone knows where to find you.


We did discuss the forum idea, and the general consensus 
was overwhelmingly against, so I don't think the community 
would survive if we take that route.


I think setting up a new list is the way to go, so I'll do 
that soon; we just need a name.


You said using the wdvltalk name is out of the question, 
so that's fine; I'm thinking of something like devtalk?


That would make the list devt...@lists.preshweb.co.uk, 
unless we decide we'd rather register a domain for it.


Thoughts, people?  Does devtalk work as a name for you? 
If so, I'll create it, and send a mail to the list with 
the subscribe page / address so we can all join it in good 
time.


Cheers

Dave P


Works for me fine, Dave. I'll go with any concensus, so long 
as it's a list.


Joseph Harris 



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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-16 Thread K.F. Wu
Hi Dave,

Count me in for whatever 'List' name everybody 
comes to agree. Thanks for your take-over service.

KoaFar

At 11:31 AM 3/16/2009, you wrote:
Hi Linda,

Thanks for the reply.

Linda Cole wrote:
I'm afraid the best I can come up with is a 
password protected area on a forum. You can set 
the forum preferences to notify you by email 
when there is a post to your subscribed 
threads, but you cannot reply by email; you 
would have to visit the forum to post to it.
Talk it over and let me know what you decide to 
do. If you should decide to set up a new list, 
please post back here so everyone knows where to find you.

We did discuss the forum idea, and the general 
consensus was overwhelmingly against, so I don't 
think the community would survive if we take that route.

I think setting up a new list is the way to go, 
so I'll do that soon; we just need a name.

You said using the wdvltalk name is out of the 
question, so that's fine; I'm thinking of something like devtalk?

That would make the list 
devt...@lists.preshweb.co.uk, unless we decide 
we'd rather register a domain for it.

Thoughts, people?  Does devtalk work as a name 
for you?  If so, I'll create it, and send a mail 
to the list with the subscribe page / address so 
we can all join it in good time.

Cheers

Dave P


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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-16 Thread Riva Portman

Yes, me too. I appreciate all the efforts to keep this list going.

Riva

On 3/16/2009 3:07 PM, K.F. Wu wrote:

Hi Dave,

Count me in for whatever 'List' name everybody 
comes to agree. Thanks for your take-over service.


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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-16 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/03/16 18:31 (GMT) David Precious composed:

 You said using the wdvltalk name is out of the question, so that's fine; 
 I'm thinking of something like devtalk?

 That would make the list devt...@lists.preshweb.co.uk, unless we decide 
 we'd rather register a domain for it.

 Thoughts, people?  Does devtalk work as a name for you?  If so, I'll 
 create it, and send a mail to the list with the subscribe page / address 
 so we can all join it in good time.

I missed the answer to why wdvltalk would be out of the question. How about
wdvlcomm? dev* is way generic, not a mnemonic many would recognize.
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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-16 Thread David Precious

Felix Miata wrote:

I missed the answer to why wdvltalk would be out of the question. How about
wdvlcomm? dev* is way generic, not a mnemonic many would recognize.


WDVL is one of internet.com's brands, and we don't have permission to 
use it.


After all they've done hosting this excellent community over the years, 
I'm not going to stab them in the back by using their brand without 
their permission to do so.


devtalk may be a bit generic, but I don't think it's too hard to 
remember; and after all, that's what address books are for :)


Cheers

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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-16 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/03/16 22:58 (GMT) David Precious composed:

 Felix Miata wrote:

 I missed the answer to why wdvltalk would be out of the question. How about
 wdvlcomm? dev* is way generic, not a mnemonic many would recognize.

 WDVL is one of internet.com's brands, and we don't have permission to 
 use it.

 After all they've done hosting this excellent community over the years, 
 I'm not going to stab them in the back by using their brand without 
 their permission to do so.

 devtalk may be a bit generic, but I don't think it's too hard to 
 remember; and after all, that's what address books are for :)

Generic isn't about existing members remembering. It's about new people
discovering. I don't put it in an address book. I right click a saved post's
address and select compose mail to, for all mailing lists I'm on except three.
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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-06 Thread Peter MacGregor



David Precious wrote:
Well, like I said, if I can be of assistance give me a shout; I'm 
happy to host it under the WDVL name for you if desired (and of course 
give you moderator access, if you still want to moderate this unruly 
mob ;))
Not sure I like that idea - it's the unruliness that's makes you lot so 
appealing! LOL


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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing - Personal note

2009-03-05 Thread Drew Trusz
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 I'm going to miss you.  Best of luck in all of your endeavors.

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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-05 Thread David Precious


Hi Linda,

Linda Cole wrote:
Since WDVLTalk has been such a tight community for such a long time, 
we're going to move the list to the Webdeveloper.com forums rather than 
close the list. http://www.webdeveloper.com/forum/index.php Tentative 
plans are to give you your own forum, and not just dump you in the 
already existing forum.   We hope to be able to move the Lyris list 
archives to WDVL.com where you will be able to access them.  I'll keep 
you updated as I learn more.


Does this mean keeping a mailing list, or replacing it with a web-based 
forum?


To be totally honest, I'm not sure that a forum will really work out for 
a community which often has long periods of silence; people won't keep 
checking a forum in the hope that there might have been a post. 
Operating as a mailing list rather than a forum seems a better fit for 
the community, in my opinion at least.


If it's solely an issue of cost, I'd be happy to host the list for you 
on my mailman install; you could point lists.wdvl.com there if you 
wanted to, and I'd be happy to help with moderation too if it would help?


Many thanks

David P


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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-05 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting Linda Cole lc...@internet.com:

 List,

 Since WDVLTalk has been such a tight community for such a long time,
 we're going to move the list to the Webdeveloper.com forums rather than
 close the list. http://www.webdeveloper.com/forum/index.php Tentative
 plans are to give you your own forum, and not just dump you in the
 already existing forum.   We hope to be able to move the Lyris list
 archives to WDVL.com where you will be able to access them.  I'll keep
 you updated as I learn more.

Hi Linda,

Whilst the fact that WDVLTalk may continue is excellent, the thought  
of this list moving to forums fills me with dread.

One of the main reasons I stay subscribed to WDVLTalk is because the  
messages come into my inbox, I don't have to fire up my browser and  
visit a particular site in order to search for a thread that I once  
posted on, everything is in my email client and fully searchable.

Everyone checks their email every day, if the list moved to a forum, I  
think that the list would die out as we don't all have time to check  
the forums.

I don't know if I'm on my own here, however if the list is to be moved  
to a forum, could internet.com at least consider a setup such as  
Nabble or mail2phpbb so that those of us who have a dislike of forums  
can still interact using email?

Thanks,

Matt.


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2009-03-05 Thread r937

... I don't have to fire up my browser and visit a particular
site in order to search for a thread that I once posted on


with a forum, you get an email every time someone replies in a thread that 
you're subscribed to


you are automatically subscribed to every thread in which you have posted, 
and you can subscribe to other threads as well


so this is ~much~ better than a mailing list, because

1. you get emails for every thread you're interested in, and

2. you ~don't~ get emails for ~everything~ that's posted on the forum

some people might view this second point as a drawback (i don't get to see 
everything that's going on any more) but it's really a feature -- you can 
easily see the everything list of posts by visiting the get new posts 
page in the forum


i've been on multiple forums for between 7 and 9 years, and forums are more 
member-friendly than mailing lists


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2009-03-05 Thread David Precious

r937 wrote:

... I don't have to fire up my browser and visit a particular
site in order to search for a thread that I once posted on


with a forum, you get an email every time someone replies in a thread 
that you're subscribed to


you are automatically subscribed to every thread in which you have 
posted, and you can subscribe to other threads as well


so this is ~much~ better than a mailing list, because

1. you get emails for every thread you're interested in, and

2. you ~don't~ get emails for ~everything~ that's posted on the forum

some people might view this second point as a drawback (i don't get to 
see everything that's going on any more) but it's really a feature -- 
you can easily see the everything list of posts by visiting the get 
new posts page in the forum


i've been on multiple forums for between 7 and 9 years, and forums are 
more member-friendly than mailing lists


I respectfully disagree.

This is a quiet community; I'm not going to be checking a forum every 
day or two to see if there's any new messages; if and when there are, I 
want them delivered to me.  I suspect many other members will likely 
feel the same way.


If we moved to a forum, lots of questions that would have been answered 
quite promptly on the list would never be answered (or would be answered 
so late as to make the answers unlikely to help any more) simply because 
people won't see the question.


I've been on (and am still a member of) various forums, and also an a 
member of various mailing lists) - I find mailing lists infinitely more 
useful.


Forums have their uses, but I really don't think one would be suited to 
this community.


This isn't a high-volume list, it's not like you get flooded with mail, 
and any half-decent email client can filter mail however you want.


Cheers

Dave P




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2009-03-05 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/03/05 10:02 (GMT-0500) r937 composed:

 i've been on multiple forums for between 7 and 9 years, and forums are more 
 member-friendly than mailing lists

I frequent only one web forum, and that only because there is no alternative
in existence.

The many web forums I have visited are among the most unfriendly web sites in
existence. Almost without exception they size text in px or pt, and in tiny
or smaller sizes, in columns that produce much too long line lengths. The few
that don't use px or pt text sizing invariably size content text at .76em or
smaller, usually much smaller. Usually all input and textarea boxes are too
short and/or too narrow for comfortable composition, if not normally at least
after zooming the requisite 3-4 times to get big enough text.

Both Usenet and mailing lists are far superior to all forums I've visited.

Setting up a mailing list on Google  Yahoo Groups is free. Both forum and
mailing list could be set up, and the mods could compare to see which is
actually more popular for this membership.
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2009-03-05 Thread Peter MacGregor
Well, I guess I may as well add my tuppence worth - before the banks 
lose all my money!!


I'm with those that want to maintain a mailing list. I've found this 
list extremely useful - I've been able to follow threads about things I 
haven't been involved in but they have been useful to my learning process.


I agree the list would probably die if it became a forum. Seems we're 
voting for the name of the new list that David has said he'll host. WDAG 
seemed OK until it was pointed out two other groups use it! We could get 
all sorts of irrelevant postings turning up!


Given we produce Web Sites, how about Site Technical Advice Group? 
(STAG) Web information Group? (WIG) There's always WAG (Web Advice 
Group) but the footballers wives might stamp their Jimmy Choos at that 
one! LOL.


I echo the thanks to Linda for her help - Not sure how many years I've 
been on here - must be approaching seven or eight I guess - but 
throughout she's been a great moderator. Are you safe at Jupiter Linda - 
or does the end of this list indicate worse things are happening?


Good Luck to all and keep me on any new list please - though I will 
alter the e-mail name a little when that starts up.


Peter MacGregor


Linda Cole wrote:

List,

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RE: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-05 Thread Cheryl D Wise
Mail list, I hate visiting forums so I rarely do, even active ones.

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Linda Cole wrote:
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 plans are to give you your own forum, and not just dump you in the 
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RE: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-05 Thread Cheryl D Wise
Problem with email notification is that you can't reply by email. You have
to visit the forum to post and that's where the system you describe fails
for me. I've been doing a lot more traveling the last couple of years. So I
read and reply to email frequently on my mobile. Can't do that easily on
forums because few are mobile friendly. Even for better devices using Safari
or Skyfire or Opera.

Forums have their uses and I even participate in some but not my preference
for how I work.

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-Original Message-
From: r937 

 ... I don't have to fire up my browser and visit a particular
 site in order to search for a thread that I once posted on

with a forum, you get an email every time someone replies in a thread that 
you're subscribed to

you are automatically subscribed to every thread in which you have posted, 
and you can subscribe to other threads as well

so this is ~much~ better than a mailing list, because

1. you get emails for every thread you're interested in, and

2. you ~don't~ get emails for ~everything~ that's posted on the forum

some people might view this second point as a drawback (i don't get to see 
everything that's going on any more) but it's really a feature -- you can 
easily see the everything list of posts by visiting the get new posts 
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i've been on multiple forums for between 7 and 9 years, and forums are more 
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2009-03-05 Thread Cheryl Hewitt
FYI: With Yahoo Groups you can set it up so that all posts are sent to your 
email and you can reply from your personal email without opening up the forum. 

-Cheryl

 Cheryl D Wise cdw...@wiserways.com wrote: 

=
Problem with email notification is that you can't reply by email. You have
to visit the forum to post and that's where the system you describe fails
for me. I've been doing a lot more traveling the last couple of years. So I
read and reply to email frequently on my mobile. Can't do that easily on
forums because few are mobile friendly. Even for better devices using Safari
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Forums have their uses and I even participate in some but not my preference
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-Original Message-
From: r937 

 ... I don't have to fire up my browser and visit a particular
 site in order to search for a thread that I once posted on

with a forum, you get an email every time someone replies in a thread that 
you're subscribed to

you are automatically subscribed to every thread in which you have posted, 
and you can subscribe to other threads as well

so this is ~much~ better than a mailing list, because

1. you get emails for every thread you're interested in, and

2. you ~don't~ get emails for ~everything~ that's posted on the forum

some people might view this second point as a drawback (i don't get to see 
everything that's going on any more) but it's really a feature -- you can 
easily see the everything list of posts by visiting the get new posts 
page in the forum

i've been on multiple forums for between 7 and 9 years, and forums are more 
member-friendly than mailing lists




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Cheryl Hewitt wrote:

FYI: With Yahoo Groups you can set it up so that all posts are sent
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ISTR that they insert adverts into at least some of the mails, and you 
don't get that much control over it?



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2009-03-05 Thread Cheryl D Wise
Cheryl,

Yahoo groups is a mail list with a web interface that people can choose to 
access if they want. It is not a forum in the same sense we are discussing. I 
own/moderate several Yahoo and Google Groups. That is why they are called 
groups not forums.

What Ruby was talking about are forums with email notification of posts in 
thread/topics you subscribe to. Most of which also have RSS feeds that act in a 
similar one way manner. Not ones you post to via email.

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FYI: With Yahoo Groups you can set it up so that all posts are sent to your 
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2009-03-05 Thread Cheryl D Wise
You have limited control, on our lists it is text based ads at the bottom of
each email but not images, not html. By setting the list to classic format
and no html you get unobtrusive stuff most ignore. g

Our Dreamweaver group has something like 5600-5800 members so it works for
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Cheryl Hewitt wrote:
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ISTR that they insert adverts into at least some of the mails, and you 
don't get that much control over it?





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From: Peter MacGregor

Well, I guess I may as well add my tuppence worth - before 
the banks lose all my money!!

.


Peter MacGregor



Have no fear,they're nationalised. Now all you have to do is 
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the Unready out he'll attend to the pile.


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2009-03-05 Thread Linda Cole

List,

I looks like the majority of you have an aversion to forums. Therefore, 
we're going to look into resurrecting the old listserv. I'm not sure we 
can do this, I'm not sure we can get it approved, I'm not even sure we 
have what we need on the server. (Can you tell I'm not sure?) :) It's 
just an idea we've tossed up and now we're going to look into it. I'll 
keep you posted.



Thanks,
Linda



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List,

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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT

2009-03-05 Thread David Precious

Linda Cole wrote:
I looks like the majority of you have an aversion to forums. Therefore, 
we're going to look into resurrecting the old listserv. I'm not sure we 
can do this, I'm not sure we can get it approved, I'm not even sure we 
have what we need on the server. (Can you tell I'm not sure?) :) It's 
just an idea we've tossed up and now we're going to look into it. I'll 
keep you posted.


Well, like I said, if I can be of assistance give me a shout; I'm happy 
to host it under the WDVL name for you if desired (and of course give 
you moderator access, if you still want to moderate this unruly mob ;))


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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-04 Thread r937

On 03/03/2009 05:45 PM, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote:

Quoting Cheryl D Wise cdw...@wiserways.com:


xWDVL list


linux is the best hosting platform ever and then some...

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whaaa

i must've missed some emails here (mail from wdvltalk sometimes ends up in 
my spam folder)


what's this about the list closing?

can somebody give me a quick recap?


rudy


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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-04 Thread David Precious

r937 wrote:
i must've missed some emails here (mail from wdvltalk sometimes ends up 
in my spam folder)


what's this about the list closing?

can somebody give me a quick recap?


Basically, the wdvltalk list will be closing at the end of the month; 
take a look at the archives to catch up on all the messages :)


It won't be the end of the wdvltalk community though; I'll set up a 
replacement list soon, and invite everyone to come join it.


Linda said that using the WDVL name for it would be frowned upon (which 
is fair enough) so we'll need a different name, but it'll be the same 
community.  My current favourite is wdag (web developers assistance 
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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-04 Thread r937
Is this also a chance to update the rouges gallery (is that still  

hosted these days?) :oP


http://www.laughing-buddha.net/wdvl/

;o)

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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-04 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace

Quoting r937 rudy...@rogers.com:


Is this also a chance to update the rouges gallery (is that still

hosted these days?) :oP


http://www.laughing-buddha.net/wdvl/

;o)


LOL, that's an l picture...

Let's decide the name of the new list and then setup a new gallery (or  
even go web 2.0 and start a facebook page?)


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RE: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-04 Thread Conyers, Dwayne
 http://www.laughing-buddha.net/wdvl/


That picture is old but I actually don't look much different.  Dunno if that is 
good or bad?

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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-04 Thread David Precious

Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote:
Let's decide the name of the new list and then setup a new gallery (or 
even go web 2.0 and start a facebook page?)


Agreed, sounds good!

I'm thinking WDAG for Web Developers Advice Group sounds reasonable; 
it's short and memorable :)


Votes for/against, people?


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RE: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-04 Thread Cheryl D Wise
Well according to Google there seems to be two group already using it: 

WDAG 

Web Design Advisory Group, a Google Group
and 
Workshop on Distributed Algorithms that holds regular conferences.

Cheryl D Wise 


-Original Message-
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I'm thinking WDAG for Web Developers Advice Group sounds reasonable; 
it's short and memorable :)

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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-04 Thread K.F. Wu
I vote for WDAG.

KoaFar

At 02:32 PM 3/4/2009, you wrote:
Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote:
Let's decide the name of the new list and then 
setup a new gallery (or even go web 2.0 and start a facebook page?)

Agreed, sounds good!

I'm thinking WDAG for Web Developers Advice 
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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-03 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting David Precious dav...@preshweb.co.uk:

 Linda Cole wrote:
 It has been our pleasure to provide a forum for this vital   
 community over the years that we've operated the WDVLTalk   
 discussion list. We regret to announce that as part of necessary   
 cost cutting measures, the list will shut down at the end of March.

 I'm very sorry to hear that, but can understand the reasoning behind it.

 Thanks a lot for all you've done for us; you've been an excellent
 moderator. We'll miss you Linda!

 This is the one mailing list I've happily stayed subscribed to for
 years, and really value the input and combined experience of all the
 subscribers, even if it is pretty quiet most of the time :)

Me too! I think I've been on here for the best part of 9 years now,  
possibly more...it's a shame to see it go.

 I think it would be excellent to keep the community alive; would you be
 happy for me to create a wdvltalk list on my mailman server, to keep
 the community going?

Good idea Dave, hope that Linda agrees.

 I don't suppose you'd be able to pass on the current subscribers list?
 I suspect not, as that would probably contravene data protection rules
 etc, but thought it would be worth asking :)

I reckon most people would be happy to subscribe to a new list if you  
sent out the link to this list.

Is this also a chance to update the rouges gallery (is that still  
hosted these days?) :oP

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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-03 Thread Jure Špik, Carpe diem, d.o.o.

It was nice to talk to you and lurk. Fare well, colleagues.

jure

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RE: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-03 Thread Ann Dietz

Thanks to Linda and the crew at Jupitermedia for supporting the wdvltalk
list.  I know that I mostly lurk but it has been of value.  

I'll join the new list though under a new name, Violet Bliss Dietz, rather
than Ann Dietz.   (It's a long story.)  

And I didn't know there was a social offshoot of wdvltalk. Tell us more. 

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Re:[wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing - Personal note

2009-03-03 Thread Furry, Tim
Linda,

I'd like to chime in with my thanks for your efforts over the years. I've been 
on and off list depending on job situations but WDVL was right there with me 
when I made the plunge into web development several years back.

I remember the shock when MOU revealed his true identity.  :-)

Dave, consider me a candidate if you start up a replacement...that would be 
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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-03 Thread Linda Cole




Yup, as long as it's OK with Linda and the WDVL crew to use the WDVL 
name for the offshoot list, I'll set it up and send out the 
subscription link :)


Since WDVL.com is a viable internet.com website, it would probably be 
best if you change the name of any offshoot list. 


Thanks,
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RE: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing - Personal note

2009-03-03 Thread Conyers, Dwayne
I'm so glad we had this time together...

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RE: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-03 Thread Cheryl D Wise
xWDVL list

Cheryl D Wise 

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-Original Message-
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Since WDVL.com is a viable internet.com website, it would probably be 
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RE: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-03 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace

Quoting Cheryl D Wise cdw...@wiserways.com:


xWDVL list


linux is the best hosting platform ever and then some...

Rudy's guide to SQL

Is there anyone here? It's been quiet for days...

MOU is not He-Man

or, more appropriately Web Developers Advice Guide

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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-03 Thread David Precious
On 03/03/2009 05:45 PM, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote:
 Quoting Cheryl D Wise cdw...@wiserways.com:
 
 xWDVL list
 
 linux is the best hosting platform ever and then some...
 
 Rudy's guide to SQL
 

:)

 Is there anyone here? It's been quiet for days...

Strangely appropriate :)

web-lurkers or something?


 or, more appropriately Web Developers Advice Guide

Hmm, now that could work, and abbrieviates nicely too - wdag could work!

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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-03 Thread Ross Clutterbuck

MOU is not He-Man

I'm touched and honoured that after all these years I've stayed in the 
group consciousness. It makes the closing of the list a little more 
personal.


Thank you. That's eased a very bad day.

MOU



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xWDVL list


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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing - Personal note

2009-03-02 Thread Riva Portman

Hi Linda,

Thank you for all that you have done. I will really miss this list and 
everyone on it. Best of luck everyone!


Riva

On 3/2/2009 3:54 PM, Linda Cole wrote:

Hi Gang,

I just wanted to say I've enjoyed working with you all over the years 
and I'm going to miss you.  Best of luck in all of your endeavors.


Thanks,
Linda




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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-02 Thread David Precious

Linda Cole wrote:
It has been our pleasure to provide a forum for this vital community 
over the years that we've operated the WDVLTalk discussion list. We 
regret to announce that as part of necessary cost cutting measures, the 
list will shut down at the end of March.


I'm very sorry to hear that, but can understand the reasoning behind it.

Thanks a lot for all you've done for us; you've been an excellent 
moderator. We'll miss you Linda!


This is the one mailing list I've happily stayed subscribed to for 
years, and really value the input and combined experience of all the 
subscribers, even if it is pretty quiet most of the time :)


I think it would be excellent to keep the community alive; would you be 
happy for me to create a wdvltalk list on my mailman server, to keep the 
community going?


I don't suppose you'd be able to pass on the current subscribers list? 
I suspect not, as that would probably contravene data protection rules 
etc, but thought it would be worth asking :)



Many thanks

David P


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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-02 Thread Ross Clutterbuck
She may not be able to pass over the subscription list David, but I'm 
sure anybody here who wants to continue can mail you off-list with their 
interest and you sign them up, unless of course your system has a 
subscription request so just give us the link.


Ross


David Precious wrote:

Linda Cole wrote:
It has been our pleasure to provide a forum for this vital community 
over the years that we've operated the WDVLTalk discussion list. We 
regret to announce that as part of necessary cost cutting measures, 
the list will shut down at the end of March.


I'm very sorry to hear that, but can understand the reasoning behind it.

Thanks a lot for all you've done for us; you've been an excellent 
moderator. We'll miss you Linda!


This is the one mailing list I've happily stayed subscribed to for 
years, and really value the input and combined experience of all the 
subscribers, even if it is pretty quiet most of the time :)


I think it would be excellent to keep the community alive; would you 
be happy for me to create a wdvltalk list on my mailman server, to 
keep the community going?


I don't suppose you'd be able to pass on the current subscribers list? 
I suspect not, as that would probably contravene data protection rules 
etc, but thought it would be worth asking :)



Many thanks

David P


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RE: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-02 Thread Robert Hoenig
Thanks to all who have helped in my many endeavors, I know I've been a
silent reader of the list but I feel I know each of you personally as I've
been on the list since I began web design and moved into more programming.
If the list does continue somewhere else please include my email or send out
the new subscription info, I'll be sure to get on it.  You guys have been
great and helped tremendously.

Thanks again
Robert 

-Original Message-
From: Ross Clutterbuck [mailto:ross.clutterb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 4:52 PM
To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com
Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

She may not be able to pass over the subscription list David, but I'm sure
anybody here who wants to continue can mail you off-list with their interest
and you sign them up, unless of course your system has a subscription
request so just give us the link.

Ross


David Precious wrote:
 Linda Cole wrote:
 It has been our pleasure to provide a forum for this vital community 
 over the years that we've operated the WDVLTalk discussion list. We 
 regret to announce that as part of necessary cost cutting measures, 
 the list will shut down at the end of March.

 I'm very sorry to hear that, but can understand the reasoning behind it.

 Thanks a lot for all you've done for us; you've been an excellent 
 moderator. We'll miss you Linda!

 This is the one mailing list I've happily stayed subscribed to for 
 years, and really value the input and combined experience of all the 
 subscribers, even if it is pretty quiet most of the time :)

 I think it would be excellent to keep the community alive; would you 
 be happy for me to create a wdvltalk list on my mailman server, to 
 keep the community going?

 I don't suppose you'd be able to pass on the current subscribers list? 
 I suspect not, as that would probably contravene data protection rules 
 etc, but thought it would be worth asking :)


 Many thanks

 David P


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Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-02 Thread David Precious

Hi Ross,

Ross Clutterbuck wrote:
She may not be able to pass over the subscription list David, but I'm 
sure anybody here who wants to continue can mail you off-list with their 
interest and you sign them up, unless of course your system has a 
subscription request so just give us the link.


Yup, as long as it's OK with Linda and the WDVL crew to use the WDVL 
name for the offshoot list, I'll set it up and send out the subscription 
link :)


Cheers

Dave P



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RE: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing

2009-03-02 Thread Cheryl D Wise
You might want 8 publish the sign-up info for the companion social list to
this one. Many of the long term members are already subscribed but I don't
think anything has been mentioned about it for a long time.

Note, I aged with the others that this has been a beneficial best. I'll miss
it.

Cheryl D Wise 

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-Original Message-
From: David Precious 

I'm very sorry to hear that, but can understand the reasoning behind it.

Thanks a lot for all you've done for us; you've been an excellent 
moderator. We'll miss you Linda!

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