Re: [Wonder-disc] log4j version update?

2007-07-02 Thread Cornelius Jaeger
Hi All I'm sorry, i rarely get personal on these lists but could we please not vent our frustrations about apple and eof on the wonder people, because that is exactly the wrong place to siphon off energy. They need constructive feedback and inspiration. If you doubt this, try ruby on

Re: [Wonder-disc] log4j version update?

2007-06-30 Thread Steven Mark McCraw
Which bits of it would you like them to open up ? and why ? I would like every bit of it opened up, and the reason is that Apple moves like a glacier in response to fixing glaring issues that WebObjects has had in the past. If you adopted Webobjects prior to 5.2, you know what I'm

Re: [Wonder-disc] log4j version update?

2007-06-30 Thread Simon McLean
I don't disagree with anything you are saying - and if it were open source it would no doubt attract many more people to the platform. But it's just not going to happen. Here's a thought: We spent some time several months back looking at alternative frameworks and one thing we did do was

webobjects not open source (was Re: [Wonder-disc] log4j version update?)

2007-06-30 Thread Q
On 30/06/2007, at 6:50 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Jun 29, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Steven Mark McCraw wrote: Their refusal to ever consider open sourcing it (in spite of how Steve Jobs rants about how he looves open source) makes me feel even more animosity about the platform. I think I

Re: [Wonder-disc] log4j version update?

2007-06-29 Thread Steven Mark McCraw
I am not sure what happening here is fair anyway. You guys at wonder are doing the job of an open source community, giving Apple the tools it works with, and what is Apple doing in counterpart? Nothing! Or very little. WO does not evolve, or so slowly. Apple does not even maintain the tools.

Re: [Wonder-disc] log4j version update?

2007-06-29 Thread Chuck Hill
On Jun 29, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Steven Mark McCraw wrote: Their refusal to ever consider open sourcing it (in spite of how Steve Jobs rants about how he looves open source) makes me feel even more animosity about the platform. I think I know why they won't do this. No, I won't tell

Re: [Wonder-disc] log4j version update?

2007-06-29 Thread Simon McLean
Their refusal to ever consider open sourcing it (in spite of how Steve Jobs rants about how he looves open source) makes me feel even more animosity about the platform. Which bits of it would you like them to open up ? and why ? Just about everything i want to tinker with is