Re: Decision about CMS - a different perspective ( was Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS)

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 23:05, Benjamin Horst a écrit : Florian, On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi folks, just to jump in: Yesterday night, the new server (which will be used for CMS) has been ordered. Should be available today, and I hope to have finished a basic

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 00:13, Benjamin Horst a écrit : Hi Graham, On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Graham Lauder wrote: On Wednesday 20 Oct 2010 02:16:38 Benjamin Horst wrote: On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Graham Lauder wrote: On Tuesday 19 Oct 2010 12:39:56 Keith Williams wrote: Yes, I respect

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 23:50, Benjamin Horst a écrit : On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-18 04:37, Andre Schnabel a écrit : Hi, I see that there are lots of discussion, which CMS to use, what features are needed ... at the other hand, users and language teams need more info at

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
I have re-read all of the posts and thus far: * the search for a CMS has been narrowed down to two packages, Silverstripe (http://www.silverstripe.com/) and Drupal (http://www.drupal.org) * demo websites were created: **Silverstripes: http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/ -- advocated by

Re: Decision about CMS - a different perspective ( was Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS)

2010-10-20 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Ben, Benjamin Horst wrote on 2010-10-20 05.05: Glad to hear the server will be available soon (or perhaps is already available). Are you planning to install one or both of the CMS options tomorrow (Wednesday)? the machine isn't there yet, and I will be out my home the rest of the week.

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 00:17, Benjamin Horst a écrit : But I'm surely not the only one who will make that decision. Again to stress it: It is the content editors/native-lang people basically who'll work with it, so it needs to be easy to use for/them/, not nice for the admin. If both is

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Marc Paré wrote: I have re-read all of the posts and thus far: ... Have I missed any? Please add points to this list that have come to a resolution of debate among the contributors of this thread. I have re-read all of them too, not only your summary, and I still see we have strategic

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 07:26, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: I have re-read all of the posts and thus far: ... Have I missed any? Please add points to this list that have come to a resolution of debate among the contributors of this thread. I have re-read all of them too, not only your

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Sophie Gautier
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, Yes, you have strong arguments for taking more time to consider the use of appropriate CMS. However, it sounds like the SC would like to have the decision made by Friday and I expect that the SC has had some

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Benjamin Horst
Hi André, On Oct 20, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Andre Schnabel wrote: 1st) we need something to present information to our users and can be setup in rather short time, does not cost to much time regarding maintenance and provides an rather easy way to edit content. People are currently asking for

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
I just want to reiterate the points made above are basically what I've been trying to explain. Silverstripe is really a dead end, it isn't even the same class as Drupal and the only way you would know that is to spend some time with it Drupal, or to have a live demo done by an experienced user.

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
Oh, I also think that integrating LibO software (open office) with Drupal will be the equivalent of the sharepoint/ms office integration that a lot of companies like. Gaining experience with Drupal could prove to be a strategic advantage / market builder for this project. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 04:43, Marc Paré a écrit : I have re-read all of the posts and thus far: * the search for a CMS has been narrowed down to two packages, Silverstripe (http://www.silverstripe.com/) and Drupal (http://www.drupal.org) * demo websites were created: **Silverstripes:

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 10:38, Keith Williams a écrit : I just want to reiterate the points made above are basically what I've been trying to explain. Silverstripe is really a dead end, it isn't even the same class as Drupal and the only way you would know that is to spend some time with it Drupal, or to

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 10:14, Andre Schnabel a écrit : 1st) we need something to present information to our users and can be setup in rather short time, does not cost to much time regarding maintenance and provides an rather easy way to edit content. People are currently asking for better structure and

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Benjamin Horst
Marc, Thanks for stepping in here and helping us organize this last bit of work. Your taking on the role of an impartial organizer is vital. On Oct 20, 2010, at 4:10 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Does anyone else have any specs to add to the list. Today (Wednesday) is most likely the last day that

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 10:40, Keith Williams a écrit : Oh, I also think that integrating LibO software (open office) with Drupal will be the equivalent of the sharepoint/ms office integration that a lot of companies like. Gaining experience with Drupal could prove to be a strategic advantage / market

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Sophie Gautier wrote: Just to point that we need to handle i18n and l10n easily also, this is important to think this multilanguage way till the beginning. Then I'll have to ask again what you mean by this! 1) Having translatable pages (meaning: an English about page at

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 11:00, Benjamin Horst a écrit : Marc, Thanks for stepping in here and helping us organize this last bit of work. Your taking on the role of an impartial organizer is vital. Thanks, no problem, I just happen to have the time to work on this. I am just recovering from 2 spinal

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-20 10:40, Keith Williams a écrit : Oh, I also think that integrating LibO software (open office) with Drupal will be the equivalent of the sharepoint/ms office integration that a lot of companies like.

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Benjamin, *, On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: Those who

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Andrea, *, On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org wrote: Marc Paré wrote: A proper discussion would not fit the deadlines and tools the Document Foundation has now: if a decision has to be taken now, it will miss the bigger scope. If the Document

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 11:52, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi Benjamin, *, On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Benjamin Horstbho...@mac.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Horstbho...@mac.com wrote: On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:13

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 11:50, Keith Williams a écrit : On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-20 10:40, Keith Williams a écrit : Oh, I also think that integrating LibO software (open office) with Drupal will be the equivalent of the sharepoint/ms office

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
This is an example of a structured document: http://www.mywebclass.org/~bhorst/content/example_book/structured_document Drupal uses books for structured documents. You can download them with index, import / expor them, print with PDF. One nice thing about Drupal is content types. Content types

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 14:27, Keith Williams a écrit : This is an example of a structured document: http://www.mywebclass.org/~bhorst/content/example_book/structured_document Drupal uses books for structured documents. You can download them with index, import / expor them, print with PDF. One nice

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-20 13:31, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-20 11:52, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi Benjamin, *, On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Benjamin Horstbho...@mac.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, sorry because i jump in the thread here, but i hadvenot the time to read every of the - felt - two thausend posts about this topic on the list. I think, we are lost in a nice discussion about features and posibilities of CMS. That should in my opinion not the focus of our

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Andreas Mantke ma...@gmx.de wrote: Hi all, sorry because i jump in the thread here, but i hadvenot the time to read every of the - felt - two thausend posts about this topic on the list. I think, we are lost in a nice discussion about features and

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 16:38, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-20 16:13, Keith Williams a écrit : One other nice feature that Drupal has is that it is easy to admin multiple sites. One Drupal host can be the source for X number of other sites. Sites can share database tables, users, etc... So... Lets

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-20 16:38, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-20 16:13, Keith Williams a écrit : One other nice feature that Drupal has is that it is easy to admin multiple sites. One Drupal host can be the source for X number of

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Benjamin Horst
I will do the dirty work of Drupal. I'd donate the resources of my business to help. I have a couple developers and assistance. I would just like some credit for doing the work. If you guys choose drupal and want advice, training, or minor amounts of help then I'll just do that no strings

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Marc, On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-20 11:52, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Benjamin Horstbho...@mac.com  wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Horstbho...@mac.com  wrote: On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:19

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Lohmaier
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Keith Williams kwilli...@thoughtfarmproductions.com wrote: This is an example of a structured document: http://www.mywebclass.org/~bhorst/content/example_book/structured_document Drupal uses books for structured documents. You can download them with index,

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Benjamin Horst
Marc, On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Thanks, no problem, I just happen to have the time to work on this. I am just recovering from 2 spinal surgeries and having to re-learn walking and other things ... nasty stuff spinal injuries. Also, the only comfortable position for me

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Marc Paré wrote: So, there are 2 things to consider: 1. Does the SC wish #1 [AP: translatable pages] or the #2 [AP: subsites] option? 2. Can either Silverstripe and Drupal support either of these scenarios. Opinions on #2 is the one that is really important for this thread. Could the

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 01:19 +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote: However, the (SC's or whoever rules here) ? another good question It seems to me the first question of what the voting membership of the TDF, as currently envisioned on the wiki Membership page would be voting on. Is this the type

Re: [libreoffice-website] Website and wiki design

2010-10-20 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Ben, all, Benjamin Horst schrieb: Bernhard, On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:22 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: [...] Per Eriksson schrieb: Hi everybody, I was looking at the Fedora project and how nicely they have integrated their normal website with their wiki. The navigation between the sites

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
Sorry, rephrase one thought - On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:50 -0400, Drew Jensen meant to write: Reading the discussions on the membership question it seems like most of us are either 100% in agreement,or very close to agreement on the parts that count..so would we form a, temporary even, rooster

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 19:19, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: So, there are 2 things to consider: 1. Does the SC wish #1 [AP: translatable pages] or the #2 [AP: subsites] option? 2. Can either Silverstripe and Drupal support either of these scenarios. Opinions on #2 is the one that is really

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Benjamin, *, On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 17:43, Benjamin Horst a écrit : This makes sense. I have just proposed this with Andre as well as the fact that there is probably a person on this discussion thread who would be willing to update the Wiki for public viewing. Marc As suggested somewhere, I've created a table on

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
Also, you speak of the German mailist are also talking of this subject. Is there any way that we could hear what they are saying? ? Hear - yes, but first you can read the lists at: http://oucv.org/tdf.html Go to the German mailing lists - Nabble is a bitch because you can not run it

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 05:26, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Thanks. We are probably at the point again where we should have a show of hands for people who are willing to help out with website support. I'll make a note of it on the update progress file that I am keeping. Anyone