[whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread White Lynx
Michel Fortin wrote: What Juan propose, about adding a limited number of elements to HTML for maths, actually makes sense to me, especially if you can get not- too-bad results with CSS. HTML is designed to be easy to learn and write; if we had a markup like that for mathematics which

[whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread White Lynx
To summarize discussion on mathematics in HTML5, I would like to ask several questions. 1) Which markup do you think fits better in the scope of HTML5? a) div (X)HTML document may contain math formulae, like formula

Re: [whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
Also sprach White Lynx: Making decision is up to WHAT WG, you can follow W3C line that so far brought nothing good to scientific web (which turned into bunch of PDF/PS/DJVU files) or (even without much afforts) you can solve longstanding problem of embedding mathematics in HTML. If WHAT

Re: [whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread White Lynx
Hakon Wium Lie wrote: I think you make a compelling case for adding math to HTML the simple way. Personally, I'm open to adding it to HTML5. How much would it add to the specification? In ISO 12083 Electronic Manuscript Format description of mathematical markup occupies about 7 pages, in our

[whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread White Lynx
Anne van Kesteren wrote: So WHATWG doesn't really care about DTDs. (There are two people involved with that though for validating.) This is important issue, because requirement to keep DTD accurate imposes certain constraints on markup (for example DTD fails to catch errors like a

Re: [whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread James Graham
Håkon Wium Lie wrote: I think you make a compelling case for adding math to HTML the simple way. Personally, I'm open to adding it to HTML5. How much would it add to the specification? I remain sceptical about this. However, if there is a serious effort to replace MathML I believe the

[whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread White Lynx
James Graham wrote: I remain sceptical about this. However, if there is a serious effort to replace MathML I believe the resulting language must fulfil the following requirements: 1) Easy conversion from standard LaTeX2e. There are plenty of different packages and low level presentational

Re: [whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread James Graham
White Lynx wrote: James Graham wrote: I remain sceptical about this. However, if there is a serious effort to replace MathML I believe the resulting language must fulfil the following requirements: 1) Easy conversion from standard LaTeX2e. There are plenty of different packages and low level

Re: [whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
Also sprach James Graham: I think you make a compelling case for adding math to HTML the simple way. Personally, I'm open to adding it to HTML5. How much would it add to the specification? I remain sceptical about this. However, if there is a serious effort to replace MathML I

Re: [whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:21:50 +0700, James Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) Excellent typography. Can you specify point 2? Not entirely because I am not sufficiently familiar with the details of rendering mathematics. I will try to learn something so I can contribute more. Here is

Re: [whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Quoting White Lynx [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So WHATWG doesn't really care about DTDs. (There are two people involved with that though for validating.) This is important issue, because requirement to keep DTD accurate imposes certain constraints on markup (for example DTD fails to catch errors

[whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread White Lynx
James Graham wrote: If LaTeX - HTML converters don't work no-one will use the language and it will be a complete waste of effort. Sorry but taking into account nature of LaTeX (many packages, low level TeX commands), it would be more appropriate to use stuff like PNG, SVG, PS, PDF as a output.

Re: [whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jun 2, 2006, at 17:28, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Quoting White Lynx [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So WHATWG doesn't really care about DTDs. (There are two people involved with that though for validating.) Are you referring to fantasai and me? I am not doing anything with DTDs. AFAIK, fantasai isn't

Re: [whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread Michel Fortin
Le 2 juin 2006 à 9:21, James Graham a écrit : White Lynx wrote: So far people mentioned radicals and glyph shaping/kerning. Another obvious issue is stretchy characters like integral signs and brackets. Is the CSS model poerful enough to allow for this? If not, the mosel needs to

Re: [whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread Michel Fortin
Le 2 juin 2006 à 5:08, White Lynx a écrit : 1) Which markup do you think fits better in the scope of HTML5? a) div (X)HTML document may contain math formulae, like formula axsup2/sup + bx + c = 0 /formula

[whatwg] Wrong sample code in 4.9.1 of Web Application 1.0 spec

2006-06-02 Thread Channy Yun
Dear WHATWG, As you know, Bon Echo Alpha3 starts to support client-side session and persistent storage in Web Application 1.0 spec made by WHATWG. But, as following sample code of 4.9.1 doesn't work in Bon Echo Alpha 3. p You have viewed this page span id=countan untold number of/span

Re: [whatwg] Wrong sample code in 4.9.1 of Web Application 1.0 spec

2006-06-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Channy Yun wrote: Only one line must be fixed. -storage.pageLoadCount += 1; +storage.pageLoadCount = parseInt(storage.pageLoadCount) + 1; It alway retruns string so it must be parsed to number. I am not sure whether there is bug from spec or firefox. Bug in the

Re: [whatwg] Mathematics in HTML5

2006-06-02 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:08:54 +0700, White Lynx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * correct continuation of long fractions on the next line Never seen something similar. We just prohibiting line breaks in fractions. TeX avoids them, too, but sometimes a complex fraction is simply longer than