Re: [Wiki-research-l] a cautious note on gender stats Re: Fwd: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers

Hi Claudial, I responded to your questions in the text - hope it's readable. Jane WereSpielChequers wrote: the community is more abrasive towards women I think he is simply referring to earlier discussions where the conclusion was the community can be perceived to be abrasive and this

Re: [Wiki-research-l] preelminary results from the Wikipedia Gender Inequality Index project - comments welcome

I believe it would be easier to stick to the group of celebrities, so for example do a study of articles on films, especially romance categories that would usually have noteworthy subjects for both the lead man and the lead woman. It would be interesting to see if the bio coverage of both the male

[Wiki-research-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers

Forwarding here in case anyone has information that could benefit Yana -- Forwarded message -- From: Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

. However, only the almost-complete Wikipedias come near that line. On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:27 AM Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Magnus, That is very cool! I also noticed the same trend, which indeed does at first glance appear to be a male bias in the language wikis. However, drilling

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

Exactly! However, I do think this example woman shows a Wikipedia gender bias towards men in that her husband's article has an image and hers doesn't On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:46 PM Jane Darnell jane

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

there is no image of her in the article because there is no free image of her? In that case, it would not be bias of Wikipedia, but again bias of the interwebs. On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:07 PM Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly! However, I do think this example woman shows a Wikipedia gender

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

nice! On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Updated blog with ODNB (49,419 men, 5,581 women) plot. On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:31 PM Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Yes you have a point there, and it is this systemic interweb gender bias

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

AM Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am compiling some stats regarding the work done on the Art Feminism edit-a-thons for my local chapter and while checking the state of the wikis regarding female artists I noticed that there are huge local differences per

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

at the same cross-wiki data for all biographies with occupation=artist. Jane On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=278 On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:48 AM Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am compiling some

[Wiki-research-l] Gendergap and checking our progress against external databases

Hi all, I am compiling some stats regarding the work done on the Art Feminism edit-a-thons for my local chapter and while checking the state of the wikis regarding female artists I noticed that there are huge local differences per language wiki regarding who is notable. One of the things I love

Re: [Wiki-research-l] preelminary results from the Wikipedia Gender Inequality Index project - comments welcome

Interesting, Magnus, thanks! After working on lots of the female names in various databases, I can also say that it is pretty difficult to scrape enough information together to produce a Wikipedia-worthy stub on many of the women mentioned in those databases. As you point out, we don't have

Re: [Wiki-research-l] April 2015 research showcase: remix and reuse in collaborative communities; the oral citations debate

Yes Heather it was very interesting - thanks for presenting your work. We need to think carefully about these issues moving forward and your work helps us frame discussion. Just this morning I received a newsletter from WMNL with a short interview of one of our more prominent chapter members who

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Waray-Waray language Wikipedia

Thanks for the links Finn! Here is an overview of bot-production by wiki language prepared by Erik Zachte and you can see that Waray-Waray is 91% bot-generated (mostly by LSJbot, but also by Dwylobot) and Swedish is now almost three quarters bot-generated by LSJbot

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Aidez à améliorer l'exhaustivité de Wikipédia en français

Interesting viewpoint, Emmanuel! I am always fascinated to know what others think I might be interested in, even if the other is just a bot. Like Sam I was delighted, and I might even be prompted to do a translation (though not one of the ones they suggested, but an article which I made myself and

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Gender Estimates Feedback

Claudia, thanks! To be clear, I do not think that gender-stereotyped-female-content has only been created by women. On the contrary, most of it, just like the rest of the Wikiverse family of projects, has been created by men. I do feel however, that the probability of young women contributing to

Re: [Wiki-research-l] citations to articles cited on wikipedia?

...the odds that an open access journal is referenced on the English Wikipedia are 47% higher compared to closed access Thanks for posting! That's an interesting paper, for all sorts of reasons. I read it because I highly doubt that the number is as low as that. There is an increasing preference

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The Wikimedia Research Newsletter 5(7) is out

Kerry To answer your point about basic categorisation of the nature of edits I have two words for you: Revision Scoring Aaron's last mail had the link. As for your (and others') AWB edits, think of it as creating findability. Creating findability of content is at least as important as creating the

Re: [Wiki-research-l] July 2015 Research showcase

Thanks for posting your feedback. I also watched the video but my takeaways were so different from yours that I am tempted to rewatch the whole thing before responding. I do recall thinking that Aaron's presentation was significantly less boring than the student one, but that the students had a

Re: [Wiki-research-l] July 2015 Research showcase

OK I am replying to this mail, as this one has the link to Youtube in it with the two presentations. I am only responding to the first presentation by Aaron here. In general I like the idea of focussing attention on the New Editor Activation Funnel. This area is of course the reason why we have a

Re: [Wiki-research-l] July 2015 Research showcase

efficiently. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Snuggle 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Revision_scoring_as_a_service -Aaron On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: OK I am replying to this mail, as this one has the link to Youtube

Re: [Wiki-research-l] July 2015 Research showcase

OK here's my take on the second presentation here (responding to this mail because it has the link to the presentation). At first I was surprised by the huge gap between the number of founders on enwiki (44,000) and only 2,000 on Wikidata, but then I recalled that many COI entries on living people

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health workshop at WikiConference USA

events "us" from arguing, poking at >>> the holy cows. >>> >>> What if BIG contributors and Jane or me tell you that you are wrong? >>> Would you listen do you listen?? Yes we have our arguments ready! >>> Thanks, >>>GerardM >>

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health workshop at WikiConference USA

Most interesting slide from that deck is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:WikiConference_USA_-_Community_Health.pdf=20 I would say as a Wikipedian, I am firmly a member of the top bar there: COI (love to edit Haarlem articles b/c I live there), Disruptive editing (accused

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikidata quality

+1 to that! I think in many ways we are our own best enemies when it comes to cross-project pollination of ideas On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, If I consider a qualitative approach, maybe it might be useful to talk to Wikipedians what exactly

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health statistics of Wikiprojects

1) plus the number of edits to un-templated articles in the same category, I suppose 2) of those active editors, have they ever posted on Wikiproject talk pages, and if so, which ones? (we should be able to create Wikiproject editor profiles based on # edits to WP talk pages) 3) How to measure

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

e of the data that you suggest and developing > recommendations, tools, or systems designed to improve the situations with > NPP, AFC, and similar queues? > > Pine > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Pine, >> Tha

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

maybe this is a place where Wikimedia affiliates can and > should get more involved. The affiliates can work on content in ways that > WMF cannot. > > Thoughts? > > Pine > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Pi

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

Gerard, I think this was always the case. Most Wikidatans are as at home on Wikipedia as they are on Commons. The issue you describe also happened to Commons - both communities feel the other is less focussed on quality. Many Commonists spend hours on high quality images and these are rarely

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community policing, New Page Patrol, Articles for Creation, and editor retention

> so. Thus, even the most dedicated people can reach very few of the people > who ought to be reached. > > i do not mean to suggest that we should not try to do better--we should > try to do very much better at every step. But there is a limit to what can > be expected in an

Re: [Wiki-research-l] citing female academics

? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Kaplan_(journalist) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Stephanie+Ricker+Schulte=Special%3ASearch=Go On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > ...meanwhile, in daily life on Wikipedia, the effects of non

Re: [Wiki-research-l] citing female academics

Well I think it is even more basic than that. People (and myself as Wikipedian included) tend to google search for info and rarely pick up the pay-walled stuff if their searches are set to free knowledge. We all know how google favors Wikipedia, but this particular female academic has no Wikipedia

Re: [Wiki-research-l] citing female academics

But there have also been lots of corrections. As far as painters go, the data is really pretty decent now. It helps that it's really easy to check the state of Wikidata against the contents of Wikipedia categories. As more people become aware of how to make such checks, I think we start to see a

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Wikimedia-l] Gender gap on "classical" encyclopedias

I have often thought we should go through at least one volume of the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica for this purpose. The cawiki is great though. I always check the %female factor in all completed lists I have, so I also checked cawiki in my TED speakers list, even though ca is not one of the

Re: [Wiki-research-l] regional KPIs

Which is why we have Wikidata? On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Stuart A. Yeates wrote: > "closure of the [[Category:Australia]]" is not going to work. In en.wiki > subcategories are not subsets in any mathematical sense and the category > tree has many, many loops and no

Re: [Wiki-research-l] regional KPIs

I think this will be important for us as a baseline to measure all sorts of things regarding chapter activity as well. Australia is probably worse than the Netherlands in terms of regional editting activity, and I have said before that we have a major problem finding US editors in the "fly-over

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Retention of Wikimedians for the long term

It should be possible to inform Commons uploaders if their images are used on Wikipedia, and include the language. This would be especially helpful for Commons uploading contests such as Wiki Loves Monuments On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

[Wiki-research-l] Dutch research paper on the gendergap

Interesting thesis on the gendergap in English Wikipedia by a student at the University of Amsterdam: http://www.scriptiesonline.uba.uva.nl/document/642528 ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Chapters

What's wrong with "return on investment"? And what is a "term of art" exactly? I agree with Kerry and Pine both about the frustrations, but I also agree with Asaf in terms of all the improvements WMF has made. The problem with making a yearly chapter plan is the lack of knowledge on what "impact"

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Project exploring automated classification of article importance

Yes I totally agree that "importance is a relative metric rather than absolute." I also agree that incoming links and pageviews are not accurate measurements of "importance" for all of the reasons you mention. However, we are still a project that is actively exploring the universe of knowledge,

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Project exploring automated classification of article importance

they can potentially engage in patent litigation (or other IP litigation) > downstream. We waste so much IP with this kind of “make a buck” thinking. > > > > > Kerry > > > > *From:* Jane Darnell [mailto:jane...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 April 2017 5:51 PM &

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Wikidata] Gender gap statistics

The Dutch chapter WMNL has budgetted surveys to check %female contributors and so far I believe we have measured 6%, 10% and 11% female (not all in that timeline order, sadly). According to WHIGI the dawiki %female biography ratio is higher than nlwiki by .1%. The nlwiki bio ratio for women is

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Measuring gender bias in contributors to the French-language Wikipedia

here are fewer female contributors and (b) they write > more female biographies than male contributors do. I’d be glad to work on > (1) but I’m not sure where to start. > > > -- > Baptiste Fontaine > > > Le 22 mai 2020 à 20:31, Jane Darnell a écrit : > > > > Two question

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Measuring gender bias in contributors to the French-language Wikipedia

Two questions: 1) Why do you think "contributor genders" write articles about people? 2) Why do you want to explore the relationship between the genders of articles about people and the genders of the contributors to those articles? It's more interesting to discover how well the Wikipedia article

[Wiki-research-l] Re: [wiki-research-l] Request for help in application for Wikipedia to be included in an international heritage recognition

Hi John & Leila, I recall German Wikipedia made a bid for unesco heritage a while ago (before Wikidata in any case). Maybe they have some lessons learned? Here in the Netherlands the oldest museum (Teylers) made a bid for unesco heritage and stated their mission (of 1784) was the same as

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: An epistemological critique of wikipedia

I like you idea about vulgarization. This word implies a negative connotation however, as if you are referring to Wikipedia articles collectively as the wastebasket of rejected academic journal articles. I would really like to come up with a positive sounding term for this, because only through

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The role of English Wikipedia's top content creators in perpetuating gender bias

Thanks Kerry! I have been working on lists of painters per museum collection in order to show how few women artists are represented in major collections. With all of the work we do for GLAMS, it is interesting to note that they themselves are highly successful at perpetuating systemic bias.

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The role of English Wikipedia's top content creators in perpetuating gender bias

...@gmail.com wrote: Jane Darnell, 22/02/2014 23:23: [...]he amount of art in the museum is overwhelmingly Italian, Dutch/Netherlandish, and French [...] The horror! Those Italians, Dutch and French should really be ashamed of all the unjust advantage they amassed in centuries of abusive

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The role of English Wikipedia's top content creators in perpetuating gender bias

of the Wikimedia Foundation in increasing overall participation on the project. Sincerely, Laura Hale On Saturday, February 22, 2014, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Jane Darnell, 22/02/2014 23:23: [...]he amount of art in the museum is overwhelmingly Italian, Dutch

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The role of English Wikipedia's top content creators in perpetuating gender bias

be a good place to start. Jane Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Jane Darnell, 23/02/2014 10:37: Men, when perceiving anti-male behavior tend to do the opposite, namely they become aggressive and stand their ground. True

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The role of English Wikipedia's top content creators in perpetuating gender bias

David, I think we are both on the same page, but I am a bit farther in my thinking about HOW you can illustrate the biases. The mobile team coined the phrase 'ghost edits' to mean the edits we don't make while on mobile devices (I am on my iPad right now and experienced a ghost edit which will

Re: [Wiki-research-l] The role of English Wikipedia's top content creators in perpetuating gender bias

Stuart, Yes there are lots of institutions we could work with, given the proper funding and volunteers to monitor efforts. However, we can also use the GLAM contacts we already have. I believe the proper channel to propose something like this is the Wikiproject Women artists. We need to be

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Women on Wikidata

Gerard, Actually historically speaking, there will be fewer Harvard alumni as women because they graduated from Radcliffe, not Harvard, no? Anyway, how about a trade - I will send you all of my male-female data with Wikipedia entity names, and you send me back the Q numbers? Or can you only

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Women on Wikidata

Stuart, we also know that there were women in the arts working in the Renaissance and I wonder how many Master of name artists were women. In fact, I once spent a long time trying to see if there was any evidence that Geertgen tot Sint Jans was a man, because certain aspects of his life seem quite

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Constructing sensible baselines for Wikipedia language development analytics

) development state of a language version of Wikipedia, but they do not appear to capture factors that are external to Wikipedia. Best, 2014-07-08 10:09 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com: Well as I see it, the state of any language version is a combination of the state of its content

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Wikimedia-l] Catching copy and pasting early

Isn't that what Corenbot does/did? I always found it very confusing though whenever I ran into it, and the false positives are huge (so many sites copy Wikimedia content these days) On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: It should be relatively easy to catch a

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Wikimedia-l] Catching copy and pasting early

It's been a while, but as I recall, my problem with the Corenbot is the text that was inserted on the page (some loud banner with a link to the original text on some website, which was often not at all related to the matter at hand). My confusion was the instructional text in the link, and I

Re: [Wiki-research-l] What works for increasing editor engagement?

Kerry, the problem with the leave that one until I'm on my laptop edits, is that by the time I'm on my laptop, the watch list has changed again and priorities get reshuffled, causing those tablet-unfriendly tasks to get buried where they become eventually ghost edits, which means they never get

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Research discussion: Visions for Wikipedia

This thread just made me realize that it hasn't been implemented yet and that what I have been using is yet another Magnus gadget, which, btw, I can highly recommend! When I search in Wikipedia, I see a subsection at the bottom which begins with Wikidata search results. It's great and I use it

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikimedia stewards and What the weirdest, wildest, most successful participatory project in history tells us about working together

Thanks for the link! My worst ever experience on Wikipedia was a run-in with treinstel, so a very interesting read indeed On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I've had a number of discussions with our stewards over the years. Many of them are dedicated, polite,

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Drop in amount of wiki research?

Without digging into the details, my first guess would be that more non-English research is being conducted as the size of non-English Wikipedias increase. Those conducting such research are less likely to publish English summaries of their work, making them less findable and thus less likely to

Re: [Wiki-research-l] StackExchange editor decline (serverfault)

Thanks for posting this thoughtful contribution! On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote: FYI, I'm wondering if anyone has compared Wikipedia's hyper growth until 2007 and subsequent slower rate of production to the phenomenon of music CD sales in the

Re: [Wiki-research-l] StackExchange editor decline (serverfault)

Anders, I have also thought about that aspect and that is why I contribute to Mix-n-Match. We have at our disposal lots of finite datasets that were used to populate Wikipedia with in the early days. Most notable on the English Wikipedia is the out-of-copyright versions of the Encyclopedia

Re: [Wiki-research-l] gender balance of Wikipedia citations

pedia citations (WereSpielChequers) > >2. Re: gender balance of Wikipedia citations (Greg) > >3. Re: sockpuppets and how to find them sooner (Federico Leva (Nemo)) > >4. Re: gender balance of Wikipedia citations (Jane Darnell) > >5. Re: gender balance of

Re: [Wiki-research-l] gender balance of Wikipedia citations

Greg, Thanks for worrying. This is a known problem and yes, Wikipedia contributes to the Gendergap in citations and no, it's not an easy fix, since it is the fault of systemic bias in academia. So fewer women are head author on scientific publications, and it is generally only the head author that