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--- Comment #41 from wikif...@gmail.com ---
Can someone explain why
[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Communication?veaction=edit this page] seems to
accept wikitext markup, even in VE mode? On saving, it gives the nowiki
warning, but it doesn't
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--- Comment #42 from Elitre elitr...@gmail.com ---
Hi there, I don't think I see your VEdit there. I did
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AElitre_%28WMF%29%2FSandboxVEdiff=794415oldid=794413
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--- Comment #43 from wikif...@gmail.com ---
What I mean is that you start with wikimarkup visible in the VE editing mode.
When you add something (''not'' wikimarkup) inside such wikimarkup, you get the
wikimarkup notice at the top right; but on
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--- Comment #44 from Elitre elitr...@gmail.com ---
48891 and 53974 cover that specific problem. The wikimarkup warning is just a
warning, it does not stop you from doing anything.
As for this situation, of course it shouldn't happen. I
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--- Comment #45 from Elitre elitr...@gmail.com ---
I'll clarify that it shouldn't happen means just that it is not
useful/desirable to have it IMHO, or at least I can't think of a situation
where it would be.
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--- Comment #40 from Amalthea amalthea.wikime...@googlemail.com ---
(In reply to comment #39)
[...] this bug is - by definition of the product - a WONTFIX.
James, this is simply not true. See comment #36 about auto formatting logic in
other
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--- Comment #38 from Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org ---
user John Broughton at en.wp comments:
Rather than focus on improving [the warning about entering wikitext], a better
direction to go would be for VE to be able to convert wikitext to its
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--- Comment #37 from kipod fur.hew...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #22)
If accidental insertion of wikitext is still an issue, we should focus on
other
ways to mitigate that issue.
2 things:
1) it's not an if, and i do not think
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--- Comment #35 from wikif...@gmail.com ---
Note that this question is included in the large
[[Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Default State RFC]] on the en.wikipedia, as question
5. The current tally, for what's it worth, is 28 supporting and 22
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--- Comment #33 from kipod fur.hew...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #31)
I think that James' marking your bug as a duplicate was likely caused by his
misunderstanding your request. He is part of the VE team but I have met him
at
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--- Comment #16 from kipod fur.hew...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #15)
If you want an accelerator key for making links, use the standard one:
Ctrl +
K (or Cmd + K if you're on a Mac). This is the same shortcut as in Microsoft
Word,
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--- Comment #17 from Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org ---
So, let's calm down here.
We're not pissing on anyone; we're choosing to prioritise. Right now the devs
have got a lot of open bugs for the VisualEditor - things that actively /don't
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--- Comment #18 from Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org ---
Sorry, but this is not something we'll ever do, as I explained in comment 9.
It's not simply a matter of prioritization - it's a matter of ensuring we can
provide a user experience that's
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--- Comment #19 from Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org ---
other user interfaces optimized for markup - other user interfaces
optimized for completing actions quickly in VisualEditor that are fast to do in
markup
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--- Comment #20 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com ---
Thank you very much for the clarification, Erik. I was just about to ask,
following comment 17, whether this was truly a wontfix (i.e., patches will not
be accepted) or whether it was simply
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--- Comment #21 from kipod fur.hew...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #17)
So, let's calm down here.
We're not pissing on anyone;
yes you are.
if you look at the different wikis, and if you search here with
product=visualeditor and
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--- Comment #22 from Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org ---
We're listening, but in this case we're saying no, and that decision is final.
We can elaborate a bit more on the why if that helps, but parsing wikitext in
VisualEditor is absolutely not
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--- Comment #24 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com ---
(In reply to comment #23)
well, in all this products, when i misspell a word, the thing silently and
valiantly just fix my mistake, instead of shouting at me[1].
generally, this is known
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--- Comment #25 from kipod fur.hew...@gmail.com ---
i am not sure you understand the precise nature of this request, so let me
elaborate:
what we ask (at least, this is what i asked - see bug 51897, which was marked
as duplicate of this one)
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--- Comment #26 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com ---
(In reply to comment #25)
what we ask (at least, this is what i asked - see bug 51897, which was marked
as duplicate of this one) is that when the user types [[, VE will remove
the [[
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--- Comment #27 from kipod fur.hew...@gmail.com ---
i still do not think you understood the request.
it's not about transforming [[Foo]] to a link, it's about not getting [[Foo]]
into the page in the first place: as soon as the user types [[,
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--- Comment #28 from Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org ---
There are at least two separate requests here. They are related in that they
both want to change the current behaviour of the two character sequence [[ in
VisualEditor but they want to
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--- Comment #29 from kipod fur.hew...@gmail.com ---
i think you are correct stating that these two definitions of the enhancement
request are not identical.
however, i came here to bug you guys with my definition of the request after
Forrester
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--- Comment #30 from kipod fur.hew...@gmail.com ---
oh, and what you describe as the ideal solution, sounds a lot like bug 51899
to me.
peace.
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Thank you for clarifying the two requests, Chris. That was super-helpful. :-)
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maybe instead of coming here, what i should have done is
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WTG guys, piss off the user base even more with a WONTFIX on a no-brainer...
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--- Comment #5 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com ---
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I'm ambivalent about whether we would ever let this go live, given how
complicated it would make editing for people that don't know wikitext -
consequently,
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(In reply to comment #4)
I'm ambivalent about whether we would ever let this go live, given how
complicated it would make editing for people that
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--- Comment #7 from MZMcBride b...@mzmcbride.com ---
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(2) it requires the use of a mouse to add a link. :-(
Not true, as discussed; I don't use the mouse to add links with VE (Ctrl+K
plus keyboard-based selection,
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(In reply to comment #6)
(2) it requires the use of a mouse to add a link. :-(
Not true, as discussed; I don't use the mouse to add links with VE
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