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--- Comment #41 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2011-11-30 16:16:50 UTC
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--- Comment #42 from Michael Zajac mich...@zajac.ca 2011-11-30 18:05:50 UTC
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FYI, the lang attribute for elements on the page is supported by VoiceOver,
which comes with iOS and works in Safari. It loads appropriate voices when
available,
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--- Comment #43 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2011-11-30 18:28:29 UTC
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(In reply to comment #42)
FYI, the lang attribute for elements on the page is supported by VoiceOver,
which comes with iOS and works in Safari. It loads
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--- Comment #44 from Michael Zajac mich...@zajac.ca 2011-11-30 19:22:47 UTC
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This also works on many of the language links on https://www.wikipedia.org/
which have lang= attributes to specify the language of their contents. The
ones in
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--- Comment #45 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2011-11-30 22:04:14 UTC
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This also works on many of the language links on https://www.wikipedia.org/
which have lang= attributes to specify the language of
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Created attachment 9584
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More limited patch, only adds hreflang lang to sidebar interwiki links
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Created attachment 9585
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Recording of iOS 5.0.1 VoiceOver reading es, fr, ja, zh sidebar links (before)
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Created attachment 9586
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--- Comment #49 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2011-11-30 23:17:56 UTC
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Short patch above applied on trunk in r104778 (fixes the sidebar links).
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--- Comment #50 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2011-11-30 23:27:57 UTC
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REL1_18 in r104781, 1.18wmf1 in r104783.
I'm leaving the bug open for the moment since there's still the hreflang on
other links (and potentially if you know the
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--- Comment #39 from Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikib...@gmail.com 2011-05-20
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As usual, I can't resist arguing just a bit more . . .
(In reply to comment #37)
Then please define “regular browser,” at least broadly.
Does this
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I don't accept that there's a useful concept of regular browser.
The concept of a regular browser is essential, because the
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--- Comment #37 from Michael Zajac mich...@zajac.ca 2011-05-19 20:04:57 UTC
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The concept of a regular browser is essential, [...]
Then please define “regular browser,” at least broadly.
Does this include MSIE
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--- Comment #38 from Derk-Jan Hartman hart...@videolan.org 2011-05-19
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I sort of have to agree with Aryeh here. I mean, we could implement aural
stylesheets, because it's somewhere in a standard and at the face of it looks
very
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--- Comment #33 from Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikib...@gmail.com 2011-05-18
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(In reply to comment #32)
Lang attributes aren't metadata.
For the sake of argument, please interpret my use of metadata to mean
information that's
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--- Comment #34 from Michael Zajac mich...@zajac.ca 2011-05-19 03:15:51 UTC
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(In reply to comment #33)
Fair enough, Aryeh. I was arguing for using lang, which which the standards
require, not for hreflang, which they do not (although I
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--- Comment #35 from Bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com 2011-05-19 03:45:24 UTC ---
In the interest of fairness, googling suggest that generated css content is a
potential use case for hreflang. You can use css to put ((fr)) after every
french link or
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--- Comment #15 from Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk 2011-05-17
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I disagree fundamentally with Aryeh; metadata should be provided as matter of
course, so that it's there when others look for it.
We shouldn't wait to be
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--- Comment #17 from Derk-Jan Hartman hart...@videolan.org 2011-05-17
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For everyone who cannot keep up
- lang: denotes the language of the text wrapped in the html element. It is
usually only used if the language of the text
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(In reply to comment #13)
I see that Wikipedia now has lang and xml:lang attributes on these links. The
latter does seem pointless, since the root HTML
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--- Comment #19 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2011-05-17 12:41:57 UTC
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The links you're seeing on http://en.wikipedia/org/wiki/Main_Page are not
created automatically -- someone has explicitly placed a span inside the
link.
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--- Comment #20 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org 2011-05-17 12:49:29 UTC
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Anyway long story short:
* Adding a 'lang' attribute on interlanguage sidebar links should be easy to do
and not a problem, and will help screen readers browser
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Created attachment 8545
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Provisional patch
Provisional patch adds:
* hreflang on inline interwiki links
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--- Comment #22 from Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikib...@gmail.com 2011-05-17
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(In reply to comment #20)
* Adding an 'hreflang' attribute on interlanguage sidebar links and on inline
interlanguage links is technically feasible
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--- Comment #23 from Michael Zajac mich...@zajac.ca 2011-05-17 14:43:52 UTC
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(In reply to comment #14)
(In reply to comment #13)
I see that Wikipedia now has lang and xml:lang attributes on these links.
The
latter does seem
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@Derk-Jan
The iPhone app may well work; the service to which I linked does, also. But
it's necessary to write code which screen-scrapes, or understands
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@Andy, we have that, it's called the API.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=queryprop=langlinkstitles=Main%20Pageredirects=llurl
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Hmm, i was googling a bit and found this piece of info which has me worried:
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=189077
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--- Comment #27 from Michael Zajac mich...@zajac.ca 2011-05-17 15:48:28 UTC
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Rel=alternate is NOT appropriate in Wikipedia, because it implies that the
target is a translation of the same writing. The WP language
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Not according to the Google comment. They specifically say that alternate icw
hreflang should only be used where the 'interface' (template in their words)
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--- Comment #29 from Michael Zajac mich...@zajac.ca 2011-05-17 20:50:07 UTC
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(In reply to comment #28)
Not according to the Google comment.
According to the HTML5 spec, “If the alternate keyword is used with the
hreflang attribute, and
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--- Comment #30 from Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikib...@gmail.com 2011-05-17
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Reductio ad absurdum. Please don't.
Reductio ad absurdum is a legitimate argument technique, often used in
mathematical
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--- Comment #31 from Bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com 2011-05-18 01:15:07 UTC ---
I suggest a standard along the lines of a nontrivial percentage of users will
benefit from it
What about a trivial percentage? Is there a single user (who actually
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--- Comment #32 from Michael Zajac mich...@zajac.ca 2011-05-18 05:47:31 UTC
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if we're going to add metadata like
this to every page, we have to establish a bar higher than someone might
theoretically want to use
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HREFLANG combined with rel=alternate would allow parsers to determine, for
any article, the existence and location of equivalent articles in other
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That's hypothetical. If we add metadata to every page just because
theoretically someone could use it, we'd be adding practically unlimited
quantities
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I see that Wikipedia now has lang and xml:lang attributes on these links. The
latter does seem pointless, since the root HTML element only has the former.
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