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As Max said, we've decided to remove all uploading features from the mobile
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It seems, that there are still very useless images. The last days statistic:
24. Aug: 90% useless
25. Aug: 82% useless
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I wouldn't disable it completely, if you have autopatrolled rights (or
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Review needed at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152748 . Could somebody please
go take a look?
This should be merged as soon as possible. The success ratio for mobile/web
uploads is still
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Otherwise, how could there
be more deletions than uploads?)
I think yes, the statistic shows, how many images are uploaded and how many
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Then why can [[:commons:Special:Contributions/Pmirosee]] upload
[[:commons:File:Kristen stewart 2014.jpeg]] (a clear copyvio from Getty) in
his first
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There is the question whether the restriction will only affect the web
interface or also the Apps: [[:c:Commons:Village pump#Mobile upload
restriction]]
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Perhaps I missed something, but is this live? For example, recent entry:
(Upload log); 17:49:57 . . R3k813 (talk | contribs) uploaded File:R3K Official
Grafitti Logo
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Or was the change only for the callout from article viewing, and not
special:Uploads?
No, with this[1] patch the upload restriction should be on Special:Uploads,
too. I
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Or was the change only for the callout from article viewing, and not
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No, with this[1] patch the upload
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Ah. I misunderstood the change. Thanks for clarifying.
Np :)
Maybe @Lupo can give us (after several days) a new
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I don't know if I can resolve this fixed or not
I think we can keep it on patch to review since we have feedback from Commons
users and/or the new statistic after this
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Since the LIMN graphs are broken, I ran some numbers manually:
2014-01: 70% deleted (2598 of 3697)
2014-02: 74% deleted (2732 of 3705)
2014-03: 72% deleted (2698 of 3767)
2014-04:
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SQL queries used...
Images deleted:
SELECT EXTRACT(YEAR_MONTH FROM log_timestamp) AS month, count(*) AS count FROM
logging INNER JOIN tag_summary ON log_id = ts_log_id WHERE
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@Florian: I think it's fine to let it get deployed normally. FWIW, the uploads
graph shows that unique uploaders have been halved again since the lazy-loading
loophole was closed
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@Ryan: OK :)
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@Florian: Actually, Maryana asked me to go ahead and deploy it to wmf15 so it
should be live on the Wikipedias on July 31. We'll also have to deploy a config
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@Ryan (and others): Do you think it's a good idea to backport change
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@Lupo, I'm getting the numbers directly from the Commons database. Here's my
SQL if anyone with access to the database wants to
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BTW, since we're all so focused on statistics right now, a cautionary note:
If the statistics say X% were deleted, that does *not* mean that the remaining
(100-X)% were OK.
I just went
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I just want to emphasize that hosting copyright violation is a crime in certain
countries. There were a few bills (DMCA safe harbour) that allows WMF to
operate,
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Florian: Actually, that change doesn't really take effect until tomorrow. It
was deployed to Commons yesterday, but very few mobile users go to
Special:Uploads directly on Commons.
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Had a quick discussion with the PM, design, and the other developers. The
outcome of the discussion was to go ahead and implement some minimum local edit
count threshold across all
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Thank you, Ryan, and all others involved. Max already said so at bug 68375.
If you indeed do a sprint on that rather general improvement bug, don't
forget the (quickly drawn up and surely
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Sorry for the lengthy reply, but I felt your questions deserved detailed
answers.
(In reply to Jon from comment #71)
http://sustainableman.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/DrIanMalcom.jpg
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I think, too, that the actual situation of mobile uploadsmust be better,
specially for the community, which review the uploads. But, i think that an
editcount of 400 is too
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Just in case it helps, Commons' Picture of the Year contest defines a voter
eligibility of 75 live edits on any single Wikimedia project. Could this be
considered a reasonable requirement to
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@Quim Gil: That sounds good for me, but i think (for the reasons wrote above),
that a fixed level in code of MF isn't the best way. For Wikimedia-Projects (in
generally and
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@Florian, yes, I fully agree that this is Wikimedia specific problem that
deserves a Wikimedia specific solution. I'm also not implying that requiring a
minimum Editcount will solve the
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Technical measures alone will not be sufficient to solve this.
A well-thought video clip or slideshow before anybody can start uploading
mobile with a simple
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A well-thought video clip or slideshow before anybody can start uploading
mobile
I personally disagree for that :/ I think alot of mobile users visit Wikipedia
and Commons
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Maybe you're also interested in my first-time mobile user experiences reported
in bug 68375.
Summary:
* the upload tutorial doesn't work for me on my desktop browser, but that may
be a
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I think alot of mobile users visit Wikipedia and Commons with a limited data
plan
They probably want to avoid uploading at
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to address the duplicate issue
Duplicate images will be detected already, maybe there is a problem in
detection of scaled images.
But, like i said in german discussion on
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Duplicate images will be detected already
If they are exact duplicates (i.e. their data-hash matches), true. Consider an
App
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These suggestions are all good
Which suggestions? Please clarify.
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Can somone pleas set ip a patch for reqired usergroup to upload:
diff:
- autoconfimred
+ autopatrolled
AND mimimun editcount on commons: 75
And then let uns see if works. I am
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sorry for posting again, i mean:
diff (required usergroup to upload with -75 edits):
- autoconfimred
+ autopatrolled
__OR__ mimimun editcount on commons is 75
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Note: since we deployed the last patch (to add the autoconfirmed threshold to
the left nav Uploads feature as well as the in-article upload) on July 10th,
unique mobile web
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sorry for posting again, i mean:
diff (required usergroup to upload with -75 edits):
- autoconfimred
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Regarding the Google Image search idea, this is a frequent suggestion that we
have looked into. The main problem is that the only sites that offer this as an
API service either charge
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You mean only Editcount on commons or globally?
Yes. Commons editcount.
@Maryana: Does we have a statistic of delted mobile uploads or
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@Florian - sorry, wrong link on #2 - here's live-updating deleted mobile (web
and apps) uploads per month:
http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/deleted-uploads
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and the number of deleted uploads this month is also extremely
low compared to what we've seen in other months.[2] Let's focus on
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FWIW, I think it's still too early to see what effect the latest change has on
percentage of uploads deleted. There is one reason to be cautiously optimistic
though. Typically, mobile
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FWIW, I think it's still too early to see what effect the latest change has
on percentage of uploads deleted. There is one reason to
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This is _not_ a lot of money for the wikimedia foundation.
Argh :/ What is with third-party wikis? Yeah, maybe they haven't this problem,
but in my opinion it's not the best
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@Florian - sorry, wrong link on #2 - here's live-updating deleted mobile
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FWIW, I think it's still too early to see what effect the latest change has
on percentage of uploads deleted.
I disagree. It's not too early.
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From July 16 to July 21 (including), there were at least 330 speedy deletions
of
Mobile/Web uploads.
Where do you get 330? I count 93. Does that list include both app and web
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From July 16 to July 21 (including), there were at least 330 speedy
deletions of
Mobile/Web uploads.
Where do you get 330? I count 93.
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Sorry for being dense, but where are you getting those numbers from? Here's
what I see by counting what's in User:Didym/Mobile_upload/2014_July_17-21:
July 17: 104 uploads; 40
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Sorry for being dense, but where are you getting those numbers from? Here's
what I see by counting what's in
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Thanks for the explanation! So where do Lupo's numbers come from?
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I get those numbers directly from the upload logs. For your convenience, here
they are:
July 16:
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I think it is OKAY to implant the things suggested in comment 85.
I hope we can resolve this in a few day (and not weeks)
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I think it is OKAY to implant the things suggested in comment 85.
I hope we can resolve this in a few day (and not weeks)
That change would eliminate virtually all mobile
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@lupo @rillke:
I think we can do something for mobile.js - It is annoying to ask the devs and
to wait every time months.
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That change would eliminate virtually all mobile uploaders.
Why is that worse than wasting even more community members' time needed to
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How about: ask uploaders where they took the image from?
* With options like I made it myself, my grandma made it, found it
somewhere on the interwebz.
* Until they've selected
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--- Comment #108 from Steinsplitter steinsplit...@wikipedia.de ---
This dos not help. Our experience. (In reply to Max Semenik from comment #107)
How about: ask uploaders where they took the image from?
This dos not help. It is our
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--- Comment #109 from Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org ---
What's the exact reason to not make a more drastic change and afterwards
experiment with changing the threshold again, instead of the other way round?
There are two reasons:
1. To
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--- Comment #110 from Lupo lupo.bugzi...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Ryan Kaldari from comment #104)
2. Implementing a less dramatic change. For example, requiring a minimum 75
edit count locally rather than on Commons.
Can somebody
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--- Comment #111 from Maryana Pinchuk mpinc...@wikimedia.org ---
Thanks, Ryan – totally agreed.
So, I just pulled the data for all deleted uploads in July, not just mobile
web:
Total uploads to Commons contributed from 7/1-today (7/22) that
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--- Comment #112 from Lupo lupo.bugzi...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Ryan Kaldari from comment #109)
2. Because we are a wiki. Allowing people to share isn't just a motto we're
supposed to give lip service to. We should exhaust as many
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--- Comment #113 from Lupo lupo.bugzi...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Maryana Pinchuk from comment #111)
Total uploads to Commons contributed from 7/1-today (7/22) that have been
deleted as of today: 2117
Total uploads to Commons contributed
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