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--- Comment #61 from Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia
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Link to the diff is welcome.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Campaign:wlm-skdiff=prevoldid=103937065
and I agree
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--- Comment #62 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
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Roughly the same amount of users have access to it as last year, admins and
a
special user group can edit. This caused us a lot
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--- Comment #63 from Bawolff (Brian Wolff) bawolff...@gmail.com ---
bawolff proposed potential solutions in comment 36 and I asked in comment 41
to
create a clean ticket if interested in implementing this. To my knowledge,
this
has
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--- Comment #57 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
At the moment it is implemented exactly as it looked 2 weeks ago. This does not
work for me.
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--- Comment #58 from Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia
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Are you aware of http://tools.wmflabs.org/masscamps ?
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--- Comment #59 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
Sorry, but that is not a realistic alternative on the workfloor.
I had to fix a campaign yesterday. As changes have a big impact, I always check
my edits. Not simple and easy possible any
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--- Comment #60 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org ---
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Roughly the same amount of users have access to it as last year, admins and a
special user group can edit. This caused us a lot of trouble last year.
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--- Comment #56 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org ---
Thanks for the detailed comments, Romaine -- that helps a lot in making sense
of this!
We'll continue to work on the gallery mode because we think it'll be useful for
new
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--- Comment #43 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org ---
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Rather than discussing about protections and unwanted changes, I would like
to
ask why the campaign page should be a gallery.
Same reason Category pages
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Rather than discussing about protections and unwanted changes, I would like
to
ask why the campaign page should be a
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--- Comment #49 from Platonides platoni...@gmail.com ---
Brion, Romaine is THE person handling all WLM 2013 campaign editing, given the
problems last years.
It is thus logical that he is the one complaining as he's pretty much the only
one
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--- Comment #45 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org ---
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There's really two different user groups who interact with campaigns.
Campaign
managers, and everyone else. They're both important groups, and even though
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--- Comment #47 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org ---
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Well the original complaint was that the change would force people to deal
with
raw json blobs more then was previously happening.
That complaint appears to
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--- Comment #46 from Bawolff (Brian Wolff) bawolff...@gmail.com ---
I should point out that manually editing raw JSON blobs is a REALLY SHITTY
USER
INTERFACE.
It's great that one person likes it, but . that's not sustainable for
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(In reply to comment #46)
Well the original complaint was that the change would force people to deal
with
raw json blobs more then was
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--- Comment #51 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org ---
(To clarify, the pretty view *IS* the raw JSON data. It's just pretty-printed
into a table.)
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--- Comment #50 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org ---
So... if we add back pretty-printed JSON of config with a simple UI to get at
it, are we all happy?
This view (same as current JSON schema pretty-printer) would presumably be
replaced
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--- Comment #52 from Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org ---
Ok, I've read the comment history in more detail, and chatted a bit with
bawolff in IRC re: the history of the discussion.
It sounds to me like the actual problem is:
* there's not an
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--- Comment #53 from Platonides platoni...@gmail.com ---
Looks like a good description. Plus also the really bad timing for general
improvements to Campaigns the day before WLM (a heavy campaign user) begins.
Had this been on July or November,
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--- Comment #54 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
(In reply to comment #42)
I like the idea of some kind of portal which show (like a gallery) all
campaigns. With in it or below it some options like view source or view
settings, upload to
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--- Comment #55 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
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Ok, I've read the comment history in more detail, and chatted a bit with
bawolff in IRC re: the history of the discussion.
It sounds to me like the actual
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--- Comment #1 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
PS: It is fine to have somewhere a page to show the last 50 images, but
absolutely not there.
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--- Comment #4 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
Roughly the same amount of users have access to it as last year, admins and a
special user group can edit. This caused us a lot of trouble last year.
The organizational team decided that
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--- Comment #5 from Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com ---
Working link:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Yuvipanda/Campaigns_namespace_proposal
I disagree on Campaign: namespace pages being 'technical' pages. The whole
point of the namespace
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--- Comment #6 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
(In reply to comment #3)
Admins can edit protected pages... protection is useless.
Between an edit and the discovery there can be a whole night in between, with
thousands of pictures
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--- Comment #7 from Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com ---
To repeat what I had said previously on IRC - all of Romaine's points make
perfect sense... in the older implementation of UploadCampaigns. There was no
history, no rollback, no watchlist,
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--- Comment #9 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
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Working link:
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I disagree on Campaign: namespace pages being 'technical' pages. The
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--- Comment #10 from Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com ---
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You can sure link to a page you created, but we haven't reviewed it or we
haven't read in the text. It hasn't been discussed and are only now
confronted
with
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--- Comment #11 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
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To repeat what I had said previously on IRC - all of Romaine's points make
perfect sense... in the older implementation of UploadCampaigns. There was no
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--- Comment #12 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
It sounds to me like the problem had to do with changing of the campaign
settings in a way that was not transparent and accountable. Putting the
configuration for a campaign into a wiki
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--- Comment #13 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
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Err, this was posted to village pump on commons, to the commons mailing list
and to the WLM list.
What I have read there is an update of the upload campaigns
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It sounds to me like the problem had to do with changing of the campaign
settings in a way that was not transparent and accountable. Putting the
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--- Comment #15 from Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com ---
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Admins can edit protected pages...
Who caused the problems in 2012: admins + users with the right to edit the
campaigns.
What problems, exactly? Do you have
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--- Comment #18 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
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Changed title to remove the word 'technical'. Less loaded this way, I think?
Absolutely not. You caused already this communication problem, because you were
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--- Comment #19 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
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(In reply to comment #12)
Admins can edit protected pages...
Who caused the problems in 2012: admins + users with the right to edit the
campaigns.
What
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--- Comment #20 from Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #13)
The whole navigational structure we have built the previous years and this
year
is that participants visit our website, list on Commons or list on Wikipedia,
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--- Comment #21 from Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia
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Those admins (currently 270) + users with edit rights of campaigns
gave us a lot of trouble.
Thanks for the flowsers. How can you say
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--- Comment #22 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
I posted a bug earlier about the problems with the upload campaigns. I was
realistic and mentioned only the technical part in the bug. (The organizational
part we did ourselves.)
A
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--- Comment #23 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
And nothing is preventing you from continuing to do that.
I'm going to disengage and continue my work unless you (or someone else?)
actually raises issues that are relevant, and stop
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--- Comment #24 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
(In reply to comment #21)
(In reply to comment #4)
Those admins (currently 270) + users with edit rights of campaigns
gave us a lot of trouble.
Thanks for the flowsers. How can you
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--- Comment #25 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
In January 2013 we had an evaluation about Wiki Loves Monuments. I cite:
Source:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Evaluation
Romaine: bug
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--- Comment #27 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
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I find it disturbing that you do not take our problems seriously.
I think Yuvi takes these problems seriously. But *I doubt* that
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I must admit I skimmed this discussion, but from what I gather Romaine's
concerns could be alleviated by setting $wgNamespaceProtection[NS_CAMPAIGN] to
some group that contains
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I'm going to agree with Brian; this entire situation seems needlessly
hyperbolic.
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The tool is going to hide the whole setup that is human readable without
knowing JSON. I have about 100 campaigns to maintain, I want to keep that
overview as I am not that
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Concur with James Forrester. This is cultural, not technical. Let's move on.
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Just to summarize a quick discussion I had with Romaine on irc:
Two main problems:
* There is a large concern that people being bold has serious consequences,
especially in
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--- Comment #38 from Romaine romaine_w...@yahoo.com ---
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I think you describe the essence of the situation, a good summary. I couldn't
have done it better.
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--- Comment #39 from Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia
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Wiki users are curious about these types of things, and like seeing
technical details.
+1
$wgNamespaceProtection
I this case,
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My suggested solution would be:
*For problem 1, $wgNamespaceProtection
Actually this seems to already be the case:
$wgNamespaceProtection[
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